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Lucradia
March 31st, 2011, 07:22 AM
http://news.cnet.com/8301-10805_3-20049062-75.html

I swear, this is getting too much.

disabledaccount
March 31st, 2011, 08:52 AM
Google is impeding competition, including limiting search results and Windows Phone access to YouTube:LOL:
They are "limitting" everyone - they've changed many things in YT video straming, so I had to build new version of Minitube for my 64-bit desktop. :)

And about "limiting search results" - so when BING intentionally forge search results related to free/OpenSource things, then it's not a "limitation" ?


But Google contractually prohibits advertisers from using their data in an interoperable way with other search advertising platforms, such as Microsoft’s adCenter. ohh, that must be really painfull - nobody wants to buy MS service? how sad.

But even if Google is limitiing MS in some way, then maybe because of this:
http://www.eweek.com/c/a/Search-Engines/Microsofts-Bing-is-Copying-Google-Web-Search-Results-Google-610729/

MS must be really scared - so much, that they are unable to think clearly - their arguments are just stupid and impudent.


...
What about BingMaps - so copying MS idea is worst crime in the world, while if MS copies - or as they call it- steal ideas (GoogleMaps) then everything is ok?

Rasa1111
March 31st, 2011, 09:04 AM
MS must be really scared - so much, that they are unable to think clearly - their arguments are just stupid and impudent.

Same as always.
at least their consistent. lol :rolleyes:

Johnsie
March 31st, 2011, 09:17 AM
Money and power breed abuse.

andymorton
March 31st, 2011, 10:50 AM
Breathtaking hypocrisy from MS!

ade234uk
March 31st, 2011, 11:12 AM
Why not have your say and let them know why you think it is wrong.
http://blogs.technet.com/b/microsoft_on_the_issues/archive/2011/03/30/adding-our-voice-to-concerns-about-search-in-europe.aspx

ctrlmd
March 31st, 2011, 12:17 PM
they just want to throw a stone in your road as always

Spice Weasel
March 31st, 2011, 01:50 PM
I'm sorry to tell you this but Google are dominating the search engine and web advertising market to the point of having a monopoly.

Google are not much lower than Microsoft on the evil scale. They just support free software more (but who contributed thousands of lines to the Linux kernel under the GPL?) and don't abuse their employees.

Sporkman
March 31st, 2011, 02:21 PM
We readily appreciate that Google should continue to have the freedom to innovate. But it shouldn’t be permitted to pursue practices that restrict others from innovating and offering competitive alternatives...


That is rich. :lol:

inobe
March 31st, 2011, 02:32 PM
microsoft is advertising google search around the world, and don't even realize it.

Grenage
March 31st, 2011, 02:52 PM
Are Google 'walling off data'? I don't know, but if I have no doubt that if the shoe was on the other foot, opinions would differ.

inobe
March 31st, 2011, 02:55 PM
yesterday, someone i know to be completely computer illiterate suggested i search google on what we discussed :lolflag:

handy
March 31st, 2011, 02:55 PM
I'm sorry to tell you this but Google are dominating the search engine and web advertising market to the point of having a monopoly.

Some years ago when AltaVista was the most used search engine, searching the web for what you wanted was an extremely time consuming & often very frustrating experience.

What would happen is that you would end up going out through multiple links in an effort to try & find the information that you were looking for & most of the time NOT find it. It was so bad that many people (including me) just wouldn't bother using a search engine for anything.

Then Google came along & totally revolutionised the web. <full stop>



Google are not much lower than Microsoft on the evil scale.

I dissagree completely.

Google give an enormous amount to the internet community for free. They charge their advertisers, so their advertisers are paying to improve the web worlds experience. To my mind there is no way you can compare MS & Google. MS basically created the closed source system; Google are by far the largest supporter of open-source on the planet.


I do a great deal to protect my privacy from from Google & all of the agencies & marketroids out there.

As far as Google are concerned I'm not too worried about the current administration. What I am concerned about is that the current administration will inevitably move on, but their database may not.

(Though they are a smart bunch, & have proven themselves to be very capable of doing the unexpected. So I live in hope that they will do such with their database sometime in the future, before they hand over the reigns.)

MS want to screw the world out of every cent that they can get; Maximum quarterly profits; domination of the market; swallowing the opposition is what they have shown themselves to be all about. (Some think that, that, is good business, & as such admire & respect the MS business operation. Such subjects can't really be discussed on this forum any more, & that one goes way beyond the world of IT.)

Google is so strong that MS are threatened by them. Google will continue to take more business away from MS as the "Cloud" becomes the standard opperational paradigm for many in the business world. MS are fighting to maintain their position in the fast & ever becoming future IT world. MS will unleash absolutely anything that they can think of in an effort to diminish the power of Google (or anyone else) & strengthen themselves.

I expect Google to withstand anything that MS (& their allies throw at them). Which at this stage is fine by me.

handy
March 31st, 2011, 03:00 PM
Are Google 'walling off data'? I don't know, but if I have no doubt that if the shoe was on the other foot, opinions would differ.

So you are referring to the differing perspectives of the "Left" & the "Right"? ;)

Grenage
March 31st, 2011, 03:04 PM
So you are referring to the differing perspectives of the "Left" & the "Right"? ;)

Lol, touché.

I'm a big Google fan; their home and business offerings are excellent. I'm not a big Microsoft fan; but their products work and helped standardize many aspects of business I.T.

Spice Weasel
March 31st, 2011, 03:47 PM
The style of the website is terrible, but there's a lot of useful information on the evil side of Google at Google Watch (http://www.google-watch.org/).

disabledaccount
March 31st, 2011, 04:36 PM
I've tried to put this on MS' blog, but it haven't appeared... why? :)

"Bing doesn't copy google's results. That's FUD that google has been feeding the fanboys to make MS look bad."
Supposedly most peoples here can't understand technical side of what Google have shown in that experiment - but easy, there are IT specialists who can.
Non - professionals however may wonder why MS haven't sued Google for this FUD - ...because it's true?

For sure it's not just copying - it's very close to spyware integrated into operating system... oh, but You may call it "feature" that allows to inform Bing about Windows users preferences, choices etc.

Sony was less lucky:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sony_BMG_copy_protection_rootkit_scandal
... but they had no possibility to integrate the rootkit so deeply - they don't have Windows source code (at least officially).

Jonny B:
"Nobody ever seems to think about the fact that the power given to google by the crowd by using their search services should in turn bring some responsabilities for google."
If you worry so much about Google monopoly then what do you say about MS monopoly in operating systems? MS monopoly is ok, Google monopoly is Bad - childish.

Google is sponsoring many free projects, gives tons of software for free, have HUGE share in Open Source / Free Software development - So I prefer Google monopoly over Yours - and it looks I'm not alone.

Grenage
March 31st, 2011, 04:41 PM
We should probably keep this more on topic and less MS is the antichrist, lest the padlock appear.

disabledaccount
March 31st, 2011, 05:35 PM
...so what is this topic about?

What will be next?
Maybe they try their chances again (if they would win with Google):
http://money.cnn.com/magazines/fortune/fortune_archive/2007/05/28/100033867/

The Redmond behemoth asserts that one reason free software is of such high quality is that it violates more than 200 of Microsoft's patents.

or maybe this?
http://news.cnet.com/8301-13505_3-10458849-16.html

"the clearest indication so far from Microsoft that if you use Linux-based servers...you ow[e] them money."

I'm against unfair playing, aggressiveness and hypocrisy what in case of MS is passing every possible limits. I wouldn't care of it, but their actions can lead to the point where I (we) have to pay MS for using Linux.
Think about it.

Grenage
April 1st, 2011, 08:39 AM
...so what is this topic about?

What will be next?
Maybe they try their chances again (if they would win with Google):
http://money.cnn.com/magazines/fortune/fortune_archive/2007/05/28/100033867/


or maybe this?
http://news.cnet.com/8301-13505_3-10458849-16.html


I'm against unfair playing, aggressiveness and hypocrisy what in case of MS is passing every possible limits. I wouldn't care of it, but their actions can lead to the point where I (we) have to pay MS for using Linux.
Think about it.

We should probably blame the software patent system, rather than the companies who acquire them; as a business, they're playing by business rules.

handy
April 1st, 2011, 09:59 AM
In my eyes it would only be fair for MS to claim patent violations against the open-source community if MS were forced to open specific portions of their code to a genuinely impartial panel of experts.

I expect that MS would never do that, as there is such a high chance that they have breached the GNU-GPL inumerable times.

disabledaccount
April 1st, 2011, 10:19 AM
Software patent system is sick - but that's company decision to use it.
There are guns available for civilians in many countries - does it mean that if You have the gun then You are allowed to attack Your neighbours? just because one heve built better garage? oh, yes he have stolen Your idea on how the garage may eventually look like - You have seen it in Your dreams, but actually You are unable to built it.
(that's the software patent).
It's not an excuse.

I would say that courts can be blamed - interpretation of law should be done with society in mind - because courts were founded to defend public interests and security - not interests of biggest companies. Interpretation is the key - even such stupid, incomplete law system can be used properly - most of software patents should and could be canceled - it would be healty for everyone.


I expect that MS would never do that, as there is such a high chance that they have breached the GNU-GPL inumerable times.I suppose that is deadly serious reason why software patents at most are not protecting/defining ways of implementation, algorithms, etc.

handy
April 1st, 2011, 02:24 PM
I agree with all you said tomazzi.

My previous post did not accurately define my thoughts on the patent situation & corporations at all.

It is an extremely scary situation that we have created for ourselves & the entire biosphere due to the current dominion of the wordly god of consumerism.

The legalities of allowing the privatisation & ownership of everything except a human being, demonstrates the culpable inhumanity & insanity that is inherent in the prime corporate paradigm of quarterly profit at any cost; externalising every cost, wherever possible simultaneously with care & responsibility for the micro/macro effects off these actions taken to bring about these desired maximum quarterly profits.

Interestingly the likes of Google & MS are both bound up in this consumerism in obviously quite different ways. Google gaining the funds to do all that it does by providing high quality products/services that are paid for by those that advertise goods/services on the worlds most effective search engine...


I just re-watched the documentary "The Corporation" - 2003; which is a quite thorough exposition of the doom machine that we have created.

Grenage
April 1st, 2011, 02:33 PM
Software patent system is sick - but that's company decision to use it.
There are guns available for civilians in many countries - does it mean that if You have the gun then You are allowed to attack Your neighbours? just because one heve built better garage? oh, yes he have stolen Your idea on how the garage may eventually look like - You have seen it in Your dreams, but actually You are unable to built it.
(that's the software patent).
It's not an excuse.

Gun part aside (it's not legal to attack a neighbour), I agree with you.