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beyaban
February 23rd, 2011, 02:37 AM
Hello everbody,

First of all, sorry for my bad English. :roll:

I am planing to buy a laptop from Pc World (UK). I'm not British and I'm going to buy it for my father. He don't knows English and just a begginer PC user . I don't want to buy a Laptop with English OS installed.I liked the laptop, however, they are coming with Windows. How can I buy that laptop without OS. I'm going to install ubuntu (in my language for my father), and I donít want to pay money for Windows which I donít need and not going to use.

What I have to do? If I tell to PC World staff that I donít want windows, do they say okay here it is, or they say no, no way you have to pay?

Any help appreciated

TriBlox6432
February 23rd, 2011, 02:44 AM
Two options: Buy System76 or ZaReason (with Ubuntu pre-installed)

OR: Buy the laptop, turn it on and disagree to the license terms and attempt to get a Windows tax refund.

Giant Speck
February 23rd, 2011, 06:22 AM
This website (http://lxer.com/module/db/index.php?dbn=14) might be able to help you. I don't know how up-to-date it is, but it shows numerous vendors that sell computers with either Linux pre-installed or no operating system pre-installed.

Lucradia
February 23rd, 2011, 09:45 AM
Two options: Buy System76 or ZaReason (with Ubuntu pre-installed)

OR: Buy the laptop, turn it on and disagree to the license terms and attempt to get a Windows tax refund.

Those two companies still sell the laptops for the same price as if Windows was on them. You're better off searching google for barebones or something.

Giant Speck
February 23rd, 2011, 10:51 AM
Those two companies still sell the laptops for the same price as if Windows was on them. You're better off searching google for barebones or something.
Barebones for a laptop would be kind of expensive, wouldn't it?

samalex
February 23rd, 2011, 04:26 PM
I can't rave enough about System76. Their systems are amazing, the prices are fair, and the support is unbeatable. Check out the System76 forum here on Ubuntu Forums and ask away. They have a couple of guys on their support staff that frequent the forum throughout the day and answer questions VERY fast. I haven't seen this level of support form any hardware vendor, including ZaReason.

Also to mention pricing, some people say their systems are way overpriced, but before buying my laptop in 2009 I made a spreadsheet comparing specs of what I was looking at to identically spec'ed systems from about 6 other vendors and System76 beat them all. You may pay alittle more for their stuff than you might from other Linux but it won't be by much and the support and quality I really think are worth it.

Just my two cents --

Sam

Simian Man
February 23rd, 2011, 05:16 PM
Due to economies of scale and pre-intstalled crapware, there is no way to save money by buying computers without Windows. It's sad, but there it is.

Joeb454
February 23rd, 2011, 05:24 PM
PC World will not sell you something without an OS on it. In fact, in the majority of cases, I'd be surprised if the sales person knew about other OS's (I've met...2 that do ;)).

I think your best option would be to provide a link to the laptop here, and see whether anybody else knows of somewhere you could buy the laptop. You may even find it cheaper elsewhere this way too.

FoxEWolf
February 23rd, 2011, 06:11 PM
System 76 all the way!!!

jwbrase
February 23rd, 2011, 10:26 PM
I can't rave enough about System76. Their systems are amazing, the prices are fair, and the support is unbeatable. Check out the System76 forum here on Ubuntu Forums and ask away. They have a couple of guys on their support staff that frequent the forum throughout the day and answer questions VERY fast. I haven't seen this level of support form any hardware vendor, including ZaReason.

Also to mention pricing, some people say their systems are way overpriced, but before buying my laptop in 2009 I made a spreadsheet comparing specs of what I was looking at to identically spec'ed systems from about 6 other vendors and System76 beat them all. You may pay alittle more for their stuff than you might from other Linux but it won't be by much and the support and quality I really think are worth it.

Just my two cents --

Sam

I generally would also recommend System76, but last I knew they weren't the optimal choice for users outside of North America (since international shipping is a bear).

JDShu
February 23rd, 2011, 11:20 PM
If it's just an ideological thing, you could get something that has Windows Starter Edition on it. I believe the amount of money that goes to MS is extremely little in this case.

obithius
February 23rd, 2011, 11:21 PM
pcspecialist.co.uk charge £79 less for a machine without windows

plucky
February 23rd, 2011, 11:46 PM
Novatech.co.uk (http://www.novatech.co.uk/novatech/laptop/home/) will sell a laptop without an operating system.

I bought a desktop from them without an operating system installed.

That is the default selection once you have chosen the model.A saving of about £80 without windows 7 premium.

Good Luck

Lucradia
February 24th, 2011, 05:19 AM
If it's just an ideological thing, you could get something that has Windows Starter Edition on it. I believe the amount of money that goes to MS is extremely little in this case.

It's still sold as if it has Home Premium or XP Home. So no, it's the same price as they were.


Novatech.co.uk (http://www.novatech.co.uk/novatech/laptop/home/)

Do they ship worldwide by any chance? Without jacking up the price too much?

plucky
February 24th, 2011, 09:26 AM
Do they ship worldwide by any chance? Without jacking up the price too much?

Europe only by the terms on their website.

frodowiz
May 2nd, 2011, 09:21 PM
Hello everbody,

First of all, sorry for my bad English. :roll:

I am planing to buy a laptop from Pc World (UK). I'm not British and I'm going to buy it for my father. He don't knows English and just a begginer PC user . I don't want to buy a Laptop with English OS installed.I liked the laptop, however, they are coming with Windows. How can I buy that laptop without OS. I'm going to install ubuntu (in my language for my father), and I donít want to pay money for Windows which I donít need and not going to use.

What I have to do? If I tell to PC World staff that I donít want windows, do they say okay here it is, or they say no, no way you have to pay?

Any help appreciated


here in the states you cant be forced to pay for windows if you dont want it. i just bought a hp laptop and asked them to wipe the drive . i got it for 50 bucks less that way and put ubuntu on it.. funny thing is that they still gave me the win7 disks which i made 2 coasters out of

dniMretsaM
May 2nd, 2011, 09:26 PM
here in the states you cant be forced to pay for windows if you dont want it. i just bought a hp laptop and asked them to wipe the drive . i got it for 50 bucks less that way and put ubuntu on it.. funny thing is that they still gave me the win7 disks which i made 2 coasters out of

That's cool, I didn't know that. I'm thinking about upgrading my computer and this is good to know. It's funny how you got the disks.

ssam
May 2nd, 2011, 09:30 PM
naked computers has a good list of vendors, but their site seems down today.
http://nakedcomputers.org/category/europe/uk/

you could try linux emporium.
http://www.linuxemporium.co.uk/hardware/hardware-laptops.html

NormanFLinux
May 2nd, 2011, 09:32 PM
You can buy it with Windows, wipe it and install your own OS. Once you own it you can make what changes you like to it.

el_koraco
May 2nd, 2011, 10:16 PM
here in the states you cant be forced to pay for windows if you dont want it. i just bought a hp laptop and asked them to wipe the drive . i got it for 50 bucks less that way and put ubuntu on it.. funny thing is that they still gave me the win7 disks which i made 2 coasters out of

Is there a federal law?

Lucradia
May 2nd, 2011, 10:23 PM
Is there a federal law?

No.

But you can't return a computer without windows on it. (Due to manufacturer warranty / agreement)

Lars Noodťn
May 3rd, 2011, 11:41 AM
The FFII and AFUL would like to crowd source evidence-gathering about the difficulty for customers and OEMs in Europe trying to buy a computer without having to pay for Windows. So if you run into difficulty buying a computer without Windows or in getting a Windows Refund (http://www.google.com/q=windows+refund/) then your input is needed (http://aful.org/communiques/share-your-operating-system-bundling-tales-with-the-eu).

Lucradia
May 3rd, 2011, 04:23 PM
The FFII and AFUL would like to crowd source evidence-gathering about the difficulty for customers and OEMs in Europe trying to buy a computer without having to pay for Windows. So if you run into difficulty buying a computer without Windows or in getting a Windows Refund (http://www.google.com/q=windows+refund/) then your input is needed (http://aful.org/communiques/share-your-operating-system-bundling-tales-with-the-eu).

it would be nice if we had a similar thing in the USA, but we don't.

speedwell68
May 3rd, 2011, 06:55 PM
I have managed to get a Windows refund from PC World. I had to decline the Microsoft EULA and then have a bit of a bit of battle with them over it. My basic line of argument was that the terms and conditions of the Microsoft EULA were not made clear to me at the point of sale and that as I could not use the computer without agreeing to the EULA it was therefore not of merchantable quality. My local Trading Standards department agreed with my stand against PC World, so PC World agreed that I should receive a refund of £44 for Windows Vista.