opera browser and firefox browser

[c00lwaterz]

I am using firefox for a long time. Opera I used that sometime few years back but i am comfortable using firefox already. now i want to compare this two browser. so i have new idea what's the difference and reviews about them.

Thanks

[Gremlinzzz]

I am using firefox for a long time. Opera I used that sometime few years back but i am comfortable using firefox already. now i want to compare this two browser. so i have new idea what's the difference and reviews about them.

Thanks


i don't use opera

[Frogs Hair]

I use both , I happen to be using Firefox at the moment . I'm very impressed with Opera 11 alpha , which scores 100 on the Acid 3 test and gets high marks on the Peace Keeper benchmark . With opera now having extensions , I may switch when 11.04 comes out.

[gradinaruvasile]

I am using firefox for a long time. Opera I used that sometime few years back but i am comfortable using firefox already. now i want to compare this two browser. so i have new idea what's the difference and reviews about them.

Thanks

Well the ui differences seem to be smaller with each firefox beta release... (they copied some of Operas ui elements).

Opera - many built-in features - flashblock, content blocking, mail/chat client, speed dial, notes, sync between computers via the web (bookmarks/notes/speed dial, typed history etc), built-in webserver.
It is one of the fastest browsers around, which is quite a feat given that it has so many features out of the box.
Also the UI is modern and streamlined (there is a bit of time to get used to it, but after that it is very fast). Supports mouse gestures, tab stacking, has its own mail/download notifications.
From Opera 11 onwards supports extensions (a la Google Chrome, they work exactly like in Chrome).
And has a built-in mail client that supports POP3/IMAP, feeds, IRC. This feature has no equivalent in Firefox or its extensions AFAIK.
Another interesting feature that does not exist in Firefox is Opera Turbo - all traffic is sent through a server that compresses it and downscales images - perfect for slower internet connections and in cases when you have a quota.
Compatibility-wise is quite good, but still some sites (i encountered very few) wont work with it correctly. I feel that it is at least equal to Chrome in this regard.

Firefox - has a more classical interface that seem to be modernized in the 4 betas.
It is a de facto standard on the web and 99% of the sites work with it. Also all existing non-IE plugins work with it (Opera still hasnt got a working Google Talk web plugin).
The 4.0 betas took some elements from Opera though - the tab styling, side panel etc.
It hasnt got many starter features compared to Opera, but has tons of extensions that include most of Operas built-in features (you have to hunt them down and install separately though).

[ticopelp]

i don't use opera

A truly amazing contribution to the thread.

[mkendall]

For me, using Opera over Firefox comes down to two very simple things: better keybeard shortcuts for navigating (ctrl + -> and ctrl + <- instead of alt + ] and alt + [) and being able to seek forward through web pages (in Opera, do a google search then hit ctrl + -> to see what I mean).

[TheNessus]

Opera's smooth-scrolling always sucked on linux. Too bad, my fav browser.

[del_diablo]

I dislike Firefox after using opera a bit.
No extension which makes it even able to match the sheere browsing potential(shift+arrowkeys for navigating web pages, leftclick+wheel to navigate tabs, etc), plus firefix is bloatfox, it is SLOW! :( The computer sometimes choaks down on huge webpages on my netbook, which is really really annoying.
Sure it Firefox got adblock, but Opera also has that, it is uses less resources.

[gradinaruvasile]

I dislike Firefox after using opera a bit.
No extension which makes it even able to match the sheere browsing potential(shift+arrowkeys for navigating web pages, leftclick+wheel to navigate tabs, etc), plus firefix is bloatfox, it is SLOW! :( The computer sometimes choaks down on huge webpages on my netbook, which is really really annoying.
Sure it Firefox got adblock, but Opera also has that, it is uses less resources.

Well in my experience Opera actually uses something like Firefox as far as memory usage goes. And sometimes more. But it is faster.

[nlsthzn]

FF user myself but this looked interesting: http://my.opera.com/desktopteam/blog/tab-stacking-is-here

[Gremlinzzz]

A truly amazing contribution to the thread.

Thxs

[Frogs Hair]

FF user myself but this looked interesting: http://my.opera.com/desktopteam/blog/tab-stacking-is-here

Thanks for that I didn't know beta 1 was out.

[Quadunit404]

better keybeard shortcuts for navigating

Hmm, I wonder what a keybeard is? ;)

Personally I hate Firefox because of its pathetic security record (a 12 year old found and reported a critical security hole in the fox... yes, a 12 year old,) bloat, fanboys, propaganda, extensions that only make the bloat problem worse, Asa Doltzer and its rather slow speed. I can remember Fx 3.0.8 taking more time to load my YouTube account than IE7. Opera for the most part lacks all of those problems, but memory usage could be reduced (I guess it's a given due to all the features it comes with) and it tends to freeze up when watching a video in Flash.

[c00lwaterz]

I use both , I happen to be using Firefox at the moment . I'm very impressed with Opera 11 alpha , which scores 100 on the Acid 3 test and gets high marks on the Peace Keeper benchmark . With opera now having extensions , I may switch when 11.04 comes out.

i check the acid test but i don't get to understand. i read the notes below that it should go smooth (animation) etc.. to be 100/100. in my firefox the result is 94/100

[c00lwaterz]

For me, using Opera over Firefox comes down to two very simple things: better keybeard shortcuts for navigating (ctrl + -> and ctrl + <- instead of alt + ] and alt + [) and being able to seek forward through web pages (in Opera, do a google search then hit ctrl + -> to see what I mean).

is this the zoom in and zoom out? i did the ctrl + and ctrl -

[c00lwaterz]

Well the ui differences seem to be smaller with each firefox beta release... (they copied some of Operas ui elements).

Opera - many built-in features - flashblock, content blocking, mail/chat client, speed dial, notes, sync between computers via the web (bookmarks/notes/speed dial, typed history etc), built-in webserver.
It is one of the fastest browsers around, which is quite a feat given that it has so many features out of the box.
Also the UI is modern and streamlined (there is a bit of time to get used to it, but after that it is very fast). Supports mouse gestures, tab stacking, has its own mail/download notifications.
From Opera 11 onwards supports extensions (a la Google Chrome, they work exactly like in Chrome).
And has a built-in mail client that supports POP3/IMAP, feeds, IRC. This feature has no equivalent in Firefox or its extensions AFAIK.
Another interesting feature that does not exist in Firefox is Opera Turbo - all traffic is sent through a server that compresses it and downscales images - perfect for slower internet connections and in cases when you have a quota.
Compatibility-wise is quite good, but still some sites (i encountered very few) wont work with it correctly. I feel that it is at least equal to Chrome in this regard.

Firefox - has a more classical interface that seem to be modernized in the 4 betas.
It is a de facto standard on the web and 99% of the sites work with it. Also all existing non-IE plugins work with it (Opera still hasnt got a working Google Talk web plugin).
The 4.0 betas took some elements from Opera though - the tab styling, side panel etc.
It hasnt got many starter features compared to Opera, but has tons of extensions that include most of Operas built-in features (you have to hunt them down and install separately though).

in firefox there is "start private browsing", and in chrome there is "incognito window". do they have that in opera?

[andymorton]

in firefox there is "start private browsing", and in chrome there is "incognito window". do they have that in opera?

They certainly do :)

http://my.opera.com/portalnews/blog/2010/08/30/great-uses-for-private-browsing

[c00lwaterz]

FF user myself but this looked interesting: http://my.opera.com/desktopteam/blog/tab-stacking-is-here

thanks for the link i watch the video review and it has private tab. it is cool also the tab stacking feature :p i will try this after the final release. :popcorn:

[c00lwaterz]

They certainly do :)

http://my.opera.com/portalnews/blog/2010/08/30/great-uses-for-private-browsing

thanks, btw, if it use more memory, it can slow or affect my laptop?

[libssd]

Most of my activity is on a 10.1" netbook, so efficient utilization of screen space is a high priority, as is performance, given the limitations of an Atom N270 processor.

I have tried Opera a couple of times, but was never terribly impressed. It's faster than FireFox, but not nearly as quick as Google Chrome, which is my default browser. It does almost everything I want out of the box, and what it doesn't do can be fixed with just a few extensions. But, with Opera 11 beta, perhaps it's time to take another look.

[chessnerd]

I use Opera as my default browser. Chrome is second, Firefox is third, however, for 1-2 months a couple years ago I used Firefox as my default. In addition, at school, I always use Firefox. So I have used both regularly enough.

Between Opera 10.6 and Firefox 3.6 (the current stable builds) there are a lot of differences. Firefox has extensions, while Opera has a lot of out-of-the-box features. Firefox is slower, but has better compatibility with most web pages. Both of them are standards compliant, but of the two, only Opera supports a wide range of HTML5 features.

Now, when you look at Opera 11 and Firefox 4 (the current beta versions) then the differences become less apparent. Opera 11 now supports extensions (albeit with far fewer ones available currently). Firefox 4 is going to have more features, like advanced tab management, that will be included by default. Both are getting a speed boast and, with hardware acceleration on Windows, Firefox 4 can be faster. Both are going to support HTML5 quite well when they are finished. In addition, Firefox basically copied/combined the interface style of Opera 10.6 (Opera's "O menu" vs. Firefox's "Firefox menu" and tabs on top), so Firefox 4 and Opera 11 even look similar.

Try them both out and see which one you like. They are both good.

Of the two, I personally prefer Opera. It feels more complete after a fresh install, I never need to mess with restarting for extensions, and with Opera Sync I can move from computer to computer seamlessly. I'm using the beta of Opera 11 and, while I feel that Opera is feature-complete without them, I do like the extensions (a couple good ones are Google Image Direct (https://addons.labs.opera.com/addons/extensions/details/google-images-direct/1.3/?display=en) and Open-in-background (https://addons.labs.opera.com/addons/extensions/details/open-in-background-with-long-press/1.0.2/?display=en)) and the new "tab stacking" feature is one that I instantly enjoyed using. Also, Opera's method of dropping the "http://" and such is far more effective, intuitive, and useful than Chrome's way.

[libssd]

So, I just downloaded and installed Opera 11 beta. Compared with Google Chrome, Opera still doesn't float my boat:


Screen space not used as efficiently;
Opening a search box takes up still more screen space;
Doesn't support Ctrl-F to find text in page;
Not as fast as Chrome (but faster than FireFox);
No obvious way to import Google Chrome bookmarks (I could export them as HTML, import them into FireFox, archive FF bookmarks, then import that file into Opera, but what a kludge);
Because of small netbook screen, I frequently use keyboard shortcuts to enlarge/shrink a page; Opera requires Shift-Ctrl-+ to enlarge;
Doesn't support grow/shrink a text input field the way webkit browsers (Chrome, Safari) do.

Browser preferences are very personal; for me, Opera 11 still isn't a good fit.

[czr114]

Out of Chrome, Opera, and Firefox, only Firefox is noncommercial FOSS*.

If that's important to a user, or that user doesn't want to be a customer of Google or Opera, then Firefox is the natural choice, assuming the user wants one of the big five. There isn't anything it can't do that the others can, and with the FF4 release, the performance issues should be gone.

Chrome does contain non-optional tracking.



*(sic, Chromium is FOSS, Mozilla artwork isn't, but I've simplified the subject for this post)

[c00lwaterz]

I visit the mozilla website and check the firefox 4. There's new feature and difference as the tabs in firefox has firefox panorama. It group the tabs but in different way here is the link https://www.mozilla.com/en-US/firefox/beta/features/ and that video you will see that the groupings of tab is on another page. it is like a folder that group the tabs. in opera the stacking is different. it has group the tabs in one tab and has expansion arrow to see the other grouped tabs.

[lovinglinux]

I have been using Firefox for many years, I guess since 0.8, but switched to the new Opera 11 when the first alpha came out, about 4 weeks ago. Never thought about switching before, because of the extensions, which I develop and use. I used to have about 60 extensions installed in Firefox.

Opera extension framework is still in it's infancy and it is like Chrome extension framework, which means not very powerful like Firefox. However, I'm really enjoying Opera.

Both browsers are extremely customizable. However, Opera is more flexible in regard to toolbar positions. You can place anything on top, bottom, left or right. On the other hand, you cannot change the browser UI with Opera extensions, like you can with Firefox extensions.

Although Firefox 4 and Opera 11 interfaces are very similar (it doesn't matter who copied who), the Linux version of Firefox is not as fancy as the Windows version. On the other hand, Opera interface is gorgeous. Personally I don't like the default theme, but there are plenty of them available for download, which can be easily achieved through Opera preferences, without browsing any site. Firefox 4 is still poor in regard to themes (not talking about Personas). Firefox 3.6 has plenty of themes available.

Due to the powerful extension API, you can extend Firefox to incorporate new tools, like rss reader (Brief (https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/4578/)), IRC (ChatZilla (https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/16/)), Speed Dial (Speed Dial (https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/4810/), Fast Dial (https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/5721/), FoxTab (https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/8879/)), tools for developers (SQLite Manager (https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/5817/), Web Developer (https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/60/)) and many more, which means you can have most of the functionality provided by Opera as built-in features and more. However, there is no mail client for Firefox anymore. There was a nice extension, called Simple Mail, which is no longer under development since the first iterations of Firefox 4.

Both browsers have a sidebar and support for viewing certain web sites on it. In Firefox many extensions make use of it too. However, you will need an extension like AIOS (https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/1027/) to put other things like the download manager, which is already a sidebar panel in Opera. Personally, I use the sidebar all the time and in that regard, Opera wins. But Opera doesn't have sidebar extensions.

Both download managers are very good, but opera also support BitTorrent downloads, which are seemingly integrated as regular downloads. There is an extension, called FireTorrent (https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/10931/) that adds torrent support to Firefox, but it is buggy. While Firefox does not have a decent torrent support, it has video download helper (https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/3006/), which is not available in Opera.

In regard to ads and script blocking, Firefox has the most popular extensions: Ad Block Plus (https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/1865/), which reached 100 million downloads last week, and NoScript (https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/722/). Adblock Plus is great and NoScript can block anything you can think of. However, NoScript many options can be overwhelming sometimes. Opera has built-in content blocking. You can create rules on the fly, by selecting content on a page to block or you can simply use a list like this (http://www.fanboy.co.nz/adblock/opera/).

There is an extension for Opera, called NotScripts (https://addons.labs.opera.com/addons/extensions/details/notscripts/?display=en), which is very promising, but it stopped working due to some bugs in the extension framework. It also conflicts with NoAds (https://addons.labs.opera.com/addons/extensions/details/noads/1.0.7/?display=en), the Opera equivalent to Ad Block Plus (not so good). Personally, I think NoScripts for Opera is much more user friendly than NoScript for Firefox, but it is not so powerful. Hopefully Opera developers will fix these issues before the final version.

In regard to advanced customizations, both browsers have a about:config, with an almost infinite number of options to be tweaked. Firefox also has Greasemonkey (https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/748/) and Stylish (https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/2108/) extensions, that allow to customize the interface and web pages. For example, the Ubuntu forums looks like this (http://goo.gl/jc02V) in my browser. Opera has built-in support for user scripts, which can do the same.

On top of all those customization options, Opera also has desktop widgets (http://widgets.opera.com/author/Opera+widgets/) and custom buttons (http://operawiki.info/CustomButtons), that can be very useful.

Both browsers have sync features. In Firefox 3.6 you can add an extension, called Firefox Sync (https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/10868/), which is a default feature of Firefox 4.

Opera plugin support is not as good as Firefox. Gecko-mediaplayer and flash works, which is all I need. flash works better in Firefox, in terms of performance. In Opera, flash uses more CPU cycles. Opera has plugins-on-demand like Chrome, which works great, like Firefox Flashblock (https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/433/) extension.

As already mentioned, Opera has the Turbo mode, which can be very handy for slow connections. Personally, I don't like my stuff passing trough their servers.

There is also Opera Unite (http://unite.opera.com/overview/), which adds server capabilities to the browser. Personally, I don't like to turn my browser into a server, but for those who share photos and other stuff, it can be a blessing. There are many services available for installation.

In regard to performance, Firefox 4 has improved a LOT in comparison to older versions, due to the new JägerMonkey javascript engine thingy, but Opera beats Firefox in benchmarks by a good margin. Firefox scores 2220 in Peacekeeper (http://clients.futuremark.com/peacekeeper/results.action?key=4gvm) on my machine, while Opera scores 4152. However, in the real world I don't see much difference. The main problem with Firefox are the extensions, which contrary to Opera and Chrome, slows down browser UI performance and startup. Depending on how many extensions you have and which extensions you have, Firefox performance can degrade considerably. That being said, I never complained about Firefox performance, even with 60 extensions installed.

In regard to password management, Firefox beats Opera by far. You can have the same functionality of Opera's Wand in Firefox with Secure Login (https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/4429/) extension and there is a plethora of additional extensions that can export, import, sync and manipulate passwords. Although Opera's password manager is good, it lacks a very important functionality: you can't see the passwords once they are saved. However, you can see passwords on a per-site basis with custom buttons (http://operawiki.info/PowerButtons#retrievewand). Not as good as viewing them all in the manager, but does the trick. Both browsers can encrypt passwords using a master password.

In regard to session manager, Opera beats Firefox, because you can save multiple sessions with different sets of tabs, while Firefox saves only the current session.

In regard to tabs, Firefox has the revolutionizing Tab Groups (aka Tab Candy, aka Panorama), but Opera recently introduced the Tab Stacking feature. See this thread (http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=10152325) for comparisons. Firefox has many tab related extensions, like Tab Scope (https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/4882/), Fox Tab (https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/8879/), Tree Style Tab (https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/5890/) and many more, which can spice your tab experience. Opera on the other hand provides a good set of features by default, that does the same as Tree Style Tab and Tab Scope, but it doesn't have the fancy 3D thing of FoxTab.

In regard to search bar, both can handle many search engines. Opera allows you to add any web site search to the search engine list, but you can do that with Add to Search Bar (https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/3682/) in Firefox. Firefox has another extension, called Organize Search Engines (https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/4565/), that allows to put them under a folder tree, which is very handy. Opera on the other hand has the advantage of automatically asking for the search engine every time you type a search. This is very useful. While Firefox search bar doesn't change no matter which tab you are using, Opera's search bar is dependent on each tab, which means when you open a new tab, it also has a new clean search bar. This can be annoying if you want to do multiple searches using different engines.

Two things I like a lot in Opera is the text search highlight feature, which darkens the page and highlights all instances of the text being searched, and the site preferences, which allows to set different options for each site, including cookies, plugins, javascript and even user agent.

The built in gestures feature of Opera is really nice, but you can have the same functionality with FireGestures (https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/6366/) in Firefox.

Well, I guess that's what I have to say about them. There is more stuff, but I haven't used Opera long enough to make a better assessment.

All things considered, I must admit that Opera now fulfill my needs better than Firefox. I still miss some extensions and still use Firefox for some tasks, like development, but after a month using Opera, I can say now that I probably won't be using Firefox as primary browser anymore.

[chessnerd]

So, I just downloaded and installed Opera 11 beta.
I'm glad you decided to give Opera a try. I'm sure you'll find that, especially with the new features introduced in the beta that it provides a feature rich, yet fast and efficient browsing experience. :D

Compared with Google Chrome, Opera still doesn't float my boat:
I'm sorry... :(

Screen space not used as efficiently;
Compared to just about every other browser it is incredibly efficient. The only way that Chrome is more efficient is the lack of the status bar, which I think is a great feature in Opera, but to each his own.

Opening a search box takes up still more screen space;
I don't know what you are referring to here, the drop-down menu? That isn't really taking up more screen space because it goes away when you aren't using the search box anymore.

Doesn't support Ctrl-F to find text in page;
What?! If it doesn't, it's a bug in the beta because I use it all the time in Opera. In fact, I like Opera's find better than any other browser. Get the stable build and it will work.

Not as fast as Chrome (but faster than FireFox);
Actually, depending on the test, Opera can be faster. Chrome and Opera are basically neck and neck unless you throw hardware acceleration into the mix (which Opera should be getting soon according to its developers).

No obvious way to import Google Chrome bookmarks (I could export them as HTML, import them into FireFox, archive FF bookmarks, then import that file into Opera, but what a kludge);
To be fair, most browsers don't support that yet because Chrome is very new. If Firefox can import from Chrome, than you can just import from Firefox via O menu > Settings > Import and Export > Import Firefox bookmarks, you don't need to archive them or anything like that.

Because of small netbook screen, I frequently use keyboard shortcuts to enlarge/shrink a page; Opera requires Shift-Ctrl-+ to enlarge;
Uh, isn't that a keyboard shortcut? Also, you can use Ctrl+Scroll wheel or use the View menu in the bottom right corner of the status bar. Also, Ctrl-0 brings you back to 100%.

Doesn't support grow/shrink a text input field the way webkit browsers (Chrome, Safari) do.
Not sure what that is...

Browser preferences are very personal; for me, Opera 11 still isn't a good fit.
True. It sounds like you've found exactly what you are looking for with Chrome, but I do think that you may have missed some awesome Opera features like Sync, Turbo, and tab stacking that can greatly improve your productivity. If what you want is a fast browser that gets out of your way and uses as little screen space as possible, Chrome is for you. If you want a fast browser that gives you a whole slew of amazing features, use Opera.

[c00lwaterz]

I have been using Firefox for many years, I guess since 0.8, but switched to the new Opera 11 when the first alpha came out, about 4 weeks ago. Never thought about switching before, because of the extensions, which I develop and use. I used to have about 60 extensions installed in Firefox.

Opera extension framework is still in it's infancy and it is like Chrome extension framework, which means not very powerful like Firefox. However, I'm really enjoying Opera.

Both browsers are extremely customizable. However, Opera is more flexible in regard to toolbar positions. You can place anything on top, bottom, left or right. On the other hand, you cannot change the browser UI with Opera extensions, like you can with Firefox extensions.

Although Firefox 4 and Opera 11 interfaces are very similar (it doesn't matter who copied who), the Linux version of Firefox is not as fancy as the Windows version. On the other hand, Opera interface is gorgeous. Personally I don't like the default theme, but there are plenty of them available for download, which can be easily achieved through Opera preferences, without browsing any site. Firefox 4 is still poor in regard to themes (not talking about Personas). Firefox 3.6 has plenty of themes available.

Due to the powerful extension API, you can extend Firefox to incorporate new tools, like rss reader (Brief (https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/4578/)), IRC (ChatZilla (https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/16/)), Speed Dial (Speed Dial (https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/4810/), Fast Dial (https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/5721/), FoxTab (https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/8879/)), tools for developers (SQLite Manager (https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/5817/), Web Developer (https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/60/)) and many more, which means you can have most of the functionality provided by Opera as built-in features and more. However, there is no mail client for Firefox anymore. There was a nice extension, called Simple Mail, which is no longer under development since the first iterations of Firefox 4.

Both browsers have a sidebar and support for viewing certain web sites on it. In Firefox many extensions make use of it too. However, you will need an extension like AIOS (https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/1027/) to put other things like the download manager, which is already a sidebar panel in Opera. Personally, I use the sidebar all the time and in that regard, Opera wins. But Opera doesn't have sidebar extensions.

Both download managers are very good, but opera also support BitTorrent downloads, which are seemingly integrated as regular downloads. There is an extension, called FireTorrent (https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/10931/) that adds torrent support to Firefox, but it is buggy. While Firefox does not have a decent torrent support, it has video download helper (https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/3006/), which is not available in Opera.

In regard to ads and script blocking, Firefox has the most popular extensions: Ad Block Plus (https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/1865/), which reached 100 million downloads last week, and NoScript (https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/722/). Adblock Plus is great and NoScript can block anything you can think of. However, NoScript many options can be overwhelming sometimes. Opera has built-in content blocking. You can create rules on the fly, by selecting content on a page to block or you can simply use a list like this (http://www.fanboy.co.nz/adblock/opera/).

There is an extension for Opera, called NotScripts (https://addons.labs.opera.com/addons/extensions/details/notscripts/?display=en), which is very promising, but it stopped working due to some bugs in the extension framework. It also conflicts with NoAds (https://addons.labs.opera.com/addons/extensions/details/noads/1.0.7/?display=en), the Opera equivalent to Ad Block Plus (not so good). Personally, I think NoScripts for Opera is much more user friendly than NoScript for Firefox, but it is not so powerful. Hopefully Opera developers will fix these issues before the final version.

In regard to advanced customizations, both browsers have a about:config, with an almost infinite number of options to be tweaked. Firefox also has Greasemonkey (https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/748/) and Stylish (https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/2108/) extensions, that allow to customize the interface and web pages. For example, the Ubuntu forums looks like this (http://goo.gl/jc02V) in my browser. Opera has built-in support for user scripts, which can do the same.

On top of all those customization options, Opera also has desktop widgets (http://widgets.opera.com/author/Opera+widgets/) and custom buttons (http://operawiki.info/CustomButtons), that can be very useful.

Both browsers have sync features. In Firefox 3.6 you can add an extension, called Firefox Sync (https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/10868/), which is a default feature of Firefox 4.

Opera plugin support is not as good as Firefox. Gecko-mediaplayer and flash works, which is all I need. flash works better in Firefox, in terms of performance. In Opera, flash uses more CPU cycles. Opera has plugins-on-demand like Chrome, which works great, like Firefox Flashblock (https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/433/) extension.

As already mentioned, Opera has the Turbo mode, which can be very handy for slow connections. Personally, I don't like my stuff passing trough their servers.

There is also Opera Unite (http://unite.opera.com/overview/), which adds server capabilities to the browser. Personally, I don't like to turn my browser into a server, but for those who share photos and other stuff, it can be a blessing. There are many services available for installation.

In regard to performance, Firefox 4 has improved a LOT in comparison to older versions, due to the new JägerMonkey javascript engine thingy, but Opera beats Firefox in benchmarks by a good margin. Firefox scores 2220 in Peacekeeper (http://clients.futuremark.com/peacekeeper/results.action?key=4gvm) on my machine, while Opera scores 4152. However, in the real world I don't see much difference. The main problem with Firefox are the extensions, which contrary to Opera and Chrome, slows down browser UI performance and startup. Depending on how many extensions you have and which extensions you have, Firefox performance can degrade considerably. That being said, I never complained about Firefox performance, even with 60 extensions installed.

In regard to password management, Firefox beats Opera by far. You can have the same functionality of Opera's Wand in Firefox with Secure Login (https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/4429/) extension and there is a plethora of additional extensions that can export, import, sync and manipulate passwords. Although Opera's password manager is good, it lacks a very important functionality: you can't see the passwords once they are saved. However, you can see passwords on a per-site basis with custom buttons (http://operawiki.info/PowerButtons#retrievewand). Not as good as viewing them all in the manager, but does the trick. Both browsers can encrypt passwords using a master password.

In regard to session manager, Opera beats Firefox, because you can save multiple sessions with different sets of tabs, while Firefox saves only the current session.

In regard to tabs, Firefox has the revolutionizing Tab Groups (aka Tab Candy, aka Panorama), but Opera recently introduced the Tab Stacking feature. See this thread (http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=10152325) for comparisons. Firefox has many tab related extensions, like Tab Scope (https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/4882/), Fox Tab (https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/8879/), Tree Style Tab (https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/5890/) and many more, which can spice your tab experience. Opera on the other hand provides a good set of features by default, that does the same as Tree Style Tab and Tab Scope, but it doesn't have the fancy 3D thing of FoxTab.

In regard to search bar, both can handle many search engines. Opera allows you to add any web site search to the search engine list, but you can do that with Add to Search Bar (https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/3682/) in Firefox. Firefox has another extension, called Organize Search Engines (https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/4565/), that allows to put them under a folder tree, which is very handy. Opera on the other hand has the advantage of automatically asking for the search engine every time you type a search. This is very useful. While Firefox search bar doesn't change no matter which tab you are using, Opera's search bar is dependent on each tab, which means when you open a new tab, it also has a new clean search bar. This can be annoying if you want to do multiple searches using different engines.

Two things I like a lot in Opera is the text search highlight feature, which darkens the page and highlights all instances of the text being searched, and the site preferences, which allows to set different options for each site, including cookies, plugins, javascript and even user agent.

The built in gestures feature of Opera is really nice, but you can have the same functionality with FireGestures (https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/6366/) in Firefox.

Well, I guess that's what I have to say about them. There is more stuff, but I haven't used Opera long enough to make a better assessment.

All things considered, I must admit that Opera now fulfill my needs better than Firefox. I still miss some extensions and still use Firefox for some tasks, like development, but after a month using Opera, I can say now that I probably won't be using Firefox as primary browser anymore.

Thanks for the information. I just recently read about the tab scope and fox tab thing hehe. i do search some on addons but i don't know the best addons there.

btw, if you try opea and like opera it (after using firefox for a long time) then it must be something i should also try.

I have try opera before but not that much (laptop and desktop). I also use opera as my browser in blackberry.

I did install chrome but I always use firefox. I don't know the level of chrome to firefox and opera. I just notice that the chrome has more space for viewing and that is the advantage of chrome on viewing webpages.

I will try this opera when it is final release. I will also try firefox 4 when it is released.

OT, is chrome stable? how about its performance?

thanks

[lovinglinux]

Thanks for the information. I just recently read about the tab scope and fox tab thing hehe. i do search some on addons but i don't know the best addons there.

You are welcome. I discover add-ons that are actually old, all the time. There are too many add-ons to search for.

One extension that is great, but I didn't try until Firefox 4 because of the screenshots, is Tree Style Tab. Excellent extension, ugly screensots.


btw, if you try opea and like opera it (after using firefox for a long time) then it must be something i should also try.

Not to mention some forum members already said I had an obsession for Firefox :shock: Most of the forum threads I reply are about it and I was a very vocal supporter (aka fanboy) :roll:. The turning point for me was the support for extensions in Opera 11, but I must admit it really surprised me.


I have try opera before but not that much (laptop and desktop).

Same here. Until now I never even tried to learn how things are done and what it could do in terms of customization.


I don't know the level of chrome to firefox and opera. I just notice that the chrome has more space for viewing and that is the advantage of chrome on viewing webpages.

Chrome has more space due to the lack of browser elements and it doesn't offer many customization options or features. You can't even move toolbar elements, except for the order of extensions buttons relative to each other. It has better performance, but that's it. I really don't like Chrome.


I will try this opera when it is final release. I will also try firefox 4 when it is released.

Try both now. They are both pretty stable. To get Firefox, check my tutorial at http://firefox-tutorials.blogspot.com/2010/08/firefox-4-download-install-customize.html

To get Opera, just download the deb from http://www.opera.com/browser/next/


OT, is chrome stable? how about its performance?

I only use Chrome for extension development, so I can't say much about it, but looks very stable.

[c00lwaterz]

You are welcome. I discover add-ons that are actually old, all the time. There are too many add-ons to search for.

One extension that is great, but I didn't try until Firefox 4 because of the screenshots, is Tree Style Tab. Excellent extension, ugly screensots.



Not to mention some forum members already said I had an obsession for Firefox :shock: Most of the forum threads I reply are about it and I was a very vocal supporter (aka fanboy) :roll:. The turning point for me was the support for extensions in Opera 11, but I must admit it really surprised me.



Same here. Until now I never even tried to learn how things are done and what it could do in terms of customization.



Chrome has more space due to the lack of browser elements and it doesn't offer many customization options or features. You can't even move toolbar elements, except for the order of extensions buttons relative to each other. It has better performance, but that's it. I really don't like Chrome.



Try both now. They are both pretty stable. To get Firefox, check my tutorial at http://firefox-tutorials.blogspot.com/2010/08/firefox-4-download-install-customize.html

To get Opera, just download the deb from http://www.opera.com/browser/next/



I only use Chrome for extension development, so I can't say much about it, but looks very stable.

Thanks for the information and tutorials :p

[johntaylor1887]

IThe computer sometimes choaks down on huge webpages on my netbook
I use chrome on my netbook, and it's not too bad.

[kenweill]

I'm currently using Firefox.

But as soon as both of their new version comes out with the new full hardware acceleration feature, I guess I would go for the one which have very good at that feature. IE is not an option.

[Oxwivi]

FF user myself but this looked interesting: http://my.opera.com/desktopteam/blog/tab-stacking-is-here
Fx 4 is also getting something similar and more complicated. Firefox Tab Groups vs Opera Tab Stacking (http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1628848&highlight=tab+stacking)

[mkendall]

ctrl + -> and ctrl + <-
is this the zoom in and zoom out? i did the ctrl + and ctrl -
No. Those are the right and left arrow keys.


Doesn't support Ctrl-F to find text in page;
Yes, it does.


Because of small netbook screen, I frequently use keyboard shortcuts to enlarge/shrink a page; Opera requires Shift-Ctrl-+ to enlarge;


You don't need the Ctrl. + works all by itself.

[libssd]

Yes, it does.

You don't need the Ctrl. + works all by itself.
Perhaps it's because I'm using the Opera 11 beta, but these features work (or don't work) exactly as I described them. Ctrl-F does NOT invoke find, and enlarging a page requires using the Shift key, whether one uses Ctrl or not (which is required in a text entry field, since you need the ability to enter = and +). I just verified these behaviors within the past minute. All browsers have their quirks, and Opera does not, at this time, offer enough added features for me to put up with its quirks.

For the rare times (as when a web site insists on FireFox) when Chrome doesn't do the job for me, I'll fall back to FireFox, and look forward to its improved speed with the next release. I've learned to stay away from pre-release versions because of poorly designed web sites that don't recognize them.

[lovinglinux]

Perhaps it's because I'm using the Opera 11 beta, but these features work (or don't work) exactly as I described them. Ctrl-F does NOT invoke find, and enlarging a page requires using the Shift key, whether one uses Ctrl or not (which is required in a text entry field, since you need the ability to enter = and +). I just verified these behaviors within the past minute.

The problem is on your side. It works as it should for me too.

[c00lwaterz]

how about the trash can? i don't have idea what is the use of trash can. maybe i can get info about that and as well as the side panel( I use my firefox right now the default setup):p

thanks

[del_diablo]

The trash can is super useful when you start linking together computers.
Instead of permadelete and: "NOOOOOOOOOOOO! MY FILES!", we instead get to do delete twice to actually perform it.
For single computer useage, which only touches boomarks... it is not that useful, but whem you start having 200-300+ bookmarks and use notes for all its worth(notes for forum RPGs, prohjects, download hive links, etc), you don't want to delete anything by accident.

[chessnerd]

Ctrl-F does NOT invoke find
Then file a bug report, it works fine for me on both Vista and Ubuntu 10.04 using Opera 11 beta.

Enlarging a page requires using the Shift key, whether one uses Ctrl or not (which is required in a text entry field, since you need the ability to enter = and +).
Of course it does, Opera zooms when you press "+", not when you press "=" and on laptops, to enter a "+" you have to use the shift key. If you were using a desktop, you could just push the "+" key.
Actually, Ctrl isn't required if you aren't in a text field. You just need to click somewhere outside the text field and then you can simply press + or - to zoom in and out. Ctrl would be required within the text field so that Opera doesn't think you're trying to enter a + or -.

I just verified these behaviors within the past minute. All browsers have their quirks, and Opera does not, at this time, offer enough added features for me to put up with its quirks.
I don't see these so much as quirks, but as bugs in a non-final beta release.

I've learned to stay away from pre-release versions because of poorly designed web sites that don't recognize them.
Well, I don't know about that, but pre-release versions typically have bugs and it seems like you've been finding a lot of them.

[c00lwaterz]

The trash can is super useful when you start linking together computers.
Instead of permadelete and: "NOOOOOOOOOOOO! MY FILES!", we instead get to do delete twice to actually perform it.
For single computer useage, which only touches boomarks... it is not that useful, but whem you start having 200-300+ bookmarks and use notes for all its worth(notes for forum RPGs, prohjects, download hive links, etc), you don't want to delete anything by accident.

as my understanding from your definition, it deletes the bookmarks but not permanent. is this for bookmarks only? correct me if i am wrong. i haven't tried this trash before :D

[del_diablo]

as my understanding from your definition, it deletes the bookmarks but not permanent. is this for bookmarks only? correct me if i am wrong. i haven't tried this trash before :D

I think you must learn the wonders of synced notes <3 Example: Rightclick on a bunch of text and "copy to note", and you got notes. It got its uses :P
Or email, or contact folder for email :P
Its for anything that uses the bin.
Its just a safety function, if you want to remove bookmarks, just purge the paperbin.

[c00lwaterz]

I think you must learn the wonders of synced notes <3 Example: Rightclick on a bunch of text and "copy to note", and you got notes. It got its uses :P
Or email, or contact folder for email :P
Its for anything that uses the bin.
Its just a safety function, if you want to remove bookmarks, just purge the paperbin.

thanks but i will study first how to use sync notes and the right click on a bunch of text and copy to note. i have never try this one and maybe i need some guidance here :D

I always use my firefox as it was. the other things i used is bookmarks and the tabs only. im not so familiar with other features ;)

thanks

[Quadunit404]

For those of you wondering why Ctrl-F doesn't work as it should in Opera on Linux, do this:

Ctrl-F12 > Advanced > Shortcuts > For Keyboard setup, select "Opera 9.2 compatible" and Ctrl-F will work as it should. No need to file a bug report.

[libssd]

Then file a bug report, it works fine for me on both Vista and Ubuntu 10.04 using Opera 11 beta.

Of course it does, Opera zooms when you press "+", not when you press "=" and on laptops, to enter a "+" you have to use the shift key. If you were using a desktop, you could just push the "+" key.
Actually, Ctrl isn't required if you aren't in a text field. You just need to click somewhere outside the text field and then you can simply press + or - to zoom in and out. Ctrl would be required within the text field so that Opera doesn't think you're trying to enter a + or -.

I don't see these so much as quirks, but as bugs in a non-final beta release.

Well, I don't know about that, but pre-release versions typically have bugs and it seems like you've been finding a lot of them.
I wouldn't say a lot, just enough that Opera 11 doesn't whet my interest, and I agree, these are more quirks than bugs.

[c00lwaterz]

right now i have installed the two betas firefox 4 beta and opera 11 beta.

I notice that the viewing display of firefox is better and now more space to view, the loading is much faster than opera 11 and more simple however i don't like the panorama because it is not smooth when using it and not that accessible. the find is the same as before, the tab is changed and the animation when loading page in tab is nice. The zoom in and zoom out using ctrl + and - is good.

On the other hand, the opera 11 is also nice but the viewing display is not that big. the ctrl + is not working and only ctrl 0 and ctrl - only for zoom in and back to normal. the tab stacking is so much good. but loading is not that fast as firefox 4. the address bar in opera 11 is nice when click on address bar.

that's all for now. i didn't try some other features yet. hehe :p

[libssd]

For those of you wondering why Ctrl-F doesn't work as it should in Opera on Linux, do this:

Opera Menu > Settings > Preferences > Advanced > Shortcuts > For Keyboard setup, select "Opera 9.2 compatible" and Ctrl-F will work as it should. No need to file a bug report.
When I look at the Opera 11 beta menus, I see Tools > Preferences > Advanced > Shortcuts > Opera 9.2 Compatible. I had to quit and restart Opera for Ctrl-F to work as expected, but it does now.

Thanks, c00lwaterz, for confirming what I have experienced re englarging a page: Shift Ctrl= (i.e., Ctrl +) is required. Logically consistent, but arguably less convenient than Ctrl= . On the other hand, outside a text entry field, Ctrl isn't needed for shrinking or enlarging a page, so this is a wash on functionality.

[c00lwaterz]

I notice this one in opera 11 beta, when you open multiple tab then close the opera browser the tabs that you left is still there when you open up the opera again.

in firefox, when you open multiple tab and when closing the firefox application, the firefox will ask you if you want to "quit", "save and quit" or cancel. when you quit and open up again the firefox browser, the last open tabs before you close the browser is not there anymore.

I also notice this when bad color of webpage when in opera 11. try visiting www.jolicloud.com then you will see the hex color is not good and smooth.

in firefox4 beta is smoother color and faster to load.

i will post later some experience hehe

[Quadunit404]

When I look at the Opera 11 beta menus, I see Tools > Preferences > Advanced > Shortcuts > Opera 9.2 Compatible. I had to quit and restart Opera for Ctrl-F to work as expected, but it does now.

Thanks, c00lwaterz, for confirming what I have experienced re englarging a page: Shift Ctrl= (i.e., Ctrl +) is required. Logically consistent, but arguably less convenient than Ctrl= . On the other hand, outside a text entry field, Ctrl isn't needed for shrinking or enlarging a page, so this is a wash on functionality.

Whoops, looks like I forgot the "Tools" part :lol:

I'll add that in now.

EDIT: I see Settings rather than Tools. I am using build 1111 as a fyi. I suppose I'll change the directions for making Ctrl-F work so that it tells you to use Ctrl-F12 instead of all of that.

[lovinglinux]

I notice this one in opera 11 beta, when you open multiple tab then close the opera browser the tabs that you left is still there when you open up the opera again.

in firefox, when you open multiple tab and when closing the firefox application, the firefox will ask you if you want to "quit", "save and quit" or cancel. when you quit and open up again the firefox browser, the last open tabs before you close the browser is not there anymore.

In Opera go to "Settings >> Preferences >> General" and change the "Startup" option from "Continue saved session" to "Show startup dialog". Next time you start, it will ask if you want to use last session, saved sessions or many other options. If you set the "Startup" option in the Preferences to "Start with home page" or "Start with Speed Dial", then the tabs from your previous session won't be displayed anymore.

In Firefox, if you click the option in that dialog to not ask the question again, then Firefox will use the same behavior always. To change the behavior, go to "Edit >> Preferences >> General" and set the "Startup" option to "Show my home page" or "Show a blank page" if you don't want to use the session feature.

[c00lwaterz]

In Opera go to "Settings >> Preferences >> General" and change the "Startup" option from "Continue saved session" to "Show startup dialog". Next time you start, it will ask if you want to use last session, saved sessions or many other options. If you set the "Startup" option in the Preferences to "Start with home page" or "Start with Speed Dial", then the tabs from your previous session won't be displayed anymore.

In Firefox, if you click the option in that dialog to not ask the question again, then Firefox will use the same behavior always. To change the behavior, go to "Edit >> Preferences >> General" and set the "Startup" option to "Show my home page" or "Show a blank page" if you don't want to use the session feature.

thanks for the guide. it works hehe.

now my additional experience in firefox 4, I saw there is "app tabs". when you go to certain website, example you always go to www.gmail.com then on your tab you can right click and choose pin as app tab. this one is useful and space saver on tabs. I also notice than when you hover a link, the address to that link is on the side of your address bar (inside the input box on the right). it acts like status bar but no loading bar. try hovering a link on any links. then check the address bar in firefox4 beta. you will see what i mean.

on the other hand, the opera has nice preview on tabs and the tab stacking feature. there is also pin tab but i don;t know the use. i also notice that there is "main bar" which offer you cascade and tile for your tab pages in one browser menu>>Toolbars>>main bar. the side panel is better in opera 11

[earthpigg]

i just gave opera a chance (again) and invested time into setting up speed dial, ad blocking, and other custom settings.

-i didn't notice it being any faster, except at startup.

-it crashed yesterday. it happens. but, force quit left the process running and i was forced to kill it at the command line with the -9 flag. it was taking up 2.5gb of RAM. never had anything like that happen with ff. only tabs i had open were bbc, this, slashdot, and my e-mail. nothing to crazy.

the first pro, for me, is outweighted by the latter con. back to tried & true ff for me.


About Opera

Version
10.63

Build
6450

Platform
Linux

System
i686, 2.6.35-23-generic-pae

Opera/9.80 (X11; Linux i686; U; en) Presto/2.6.30 Version/10.63

[lovinglinux]

thanks for the guide. it works hehe.

You are welcome.


I also notice than when you hover a link, the address to that link is on the side of your address bar (inside the input box on the right). it acts like status bar but no loading bar. try hovering a link on any links. then check the address bar in firefox4 beta. you will see what i mean.

The loading bar is a very thin bar below the address bar. If you don't like this new setup (I hate it), you can regain the functionality of the statusbar and tweak the address bar display by using Status-4-Evar (https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/235283/) extension.

This is how my address bar and add-bar looks like:


loading bar fills the entire address bar
hovering liks are not displayed inside the address bar, but in the add-ons bar, simulating the old statusbar behavior
additional info, like which servers are being contacted and loading status, are also displayed in the add-ons bar.


http://goo.gl/XpCaZ


on the other hand, the opera has nice preview on tabs and the tab stacking feature. there is also pin tab but i don;t know the use.

In Opera the pin tab feature does not shrink and move it to the left side of the tab bar like in Firefox or Chrome. It simply prevents the tab from being closed. You can mimic the functionality available in the other browsers by stacking the tabs you use frequently, closing all tabs you don't need and saving the session with a different name. In Opera you can save as many sessions you want, each for a particular purpose, containing different tabs.

[c00lwaterz]

You are welcome.



The loading bar is a very thin bar below the address bar. If you don't like this new setup (I hate it), you can regain the functionality of the statusbar and tweak the address bar display by using Status-4-Evar (https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/235283/) extension.

This is how my address bar and add-bar looks like:


loading bar fills the entire address bar
hovering liks are not displayed inside the address bar, but in the add-ons bar, simulating the old statusbar behavior
additional info, like which servers are being contacted and loading status, are also displayed in the add-ons bar.


http://goo.gl/XpCaZ



In Opera the pin tab feature does not shrink and move it to the left side of the tab bar like in Firefox or Chrome. It simply prevents the tab from being closed. You can mimic the functionality available in the other browsers by stacking the tabs you use frequently, closing all tabs you don't need and saving the session with a different name. In Opera you can save as many sessions you want, each for a particular purpose, containing different tabs.

as far as i know, the session is for passwords and email? I am not familiar with session in opera. what do you mean by save as many sessions as i want? correct me if i am wrong. hehe

[Quadunit404]

Opera Menu > Tabs and Windows > Sessions

That allows you to save an active session, select a saved session and manage them as well. I remember having as many as 12 saved sessions a few years back and I could save even more without any limits.

No other browser will let you have that many sessions saved.

[c00lwaterz]

Opera Menu > Tabs and Windows > Sessions

That allows you to save an active session, select a saved session and manage them as well. I remember having as many as 12 saved sessions a few years back and I could save even more without any limits.

No other browser will let you have that many sessions saved.

thanks, now i understand the session. http://www.opera.com/browser/tips/?feature=sessions .

Do they have sessions in firefox 4?

[atnguyen]

actually, I see the Firefox web browser speed slightly slower than opera.
But it is very useful addon

[Quadunit404]

Do they have sessions in firefox 4?

I don't know. I haven't really used Firefox for more than a few seconds since version 3.0.8 and haven't touched Firefox 4 at all.

[lovinglinux]

thanks, now i understand the session. http://www.opera.com/browser/tips/?feature=sessions .

Do they have sessions in firefox 4?

Firefox can store only the last session. It doesn't allow to save custom sessions.

[c00lwaterz]

Firefox can store only the last session. It doesn't allow to save custom sessions.

i see. i didn't have experience on this. but lst night i tried it in opera and i see the use of session. :p

[Ubunt2u]

i've shared my experience with firefox 3 and 4 here http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1648173&page=3&highlight=firefox4

[c00lwaterz]

what happen to firefox 4? any news? I thought it will be release early january. Until now it is beta 8. what happen? :p

[andymorton]

what happen to firefox 4? any news? I thought it will be release early january. Until now it is beta 8. what happen? :p

Beta 9 is now available http://www.mozilla.com/en-GB/firefox/beta/

According to the Firefox blog there is still about 100 blocking bugs that need to be sorted out before they can go to the RC.

[HappinessNow]

I am using firefox for a long time. Opera I used that sometime few years back but i am comfortable using firefox already. now i want to compare this two browser. so i have new idea what's the difference and reviews about them.

Thanks
For years I used both Opera and Firefox exclusively intermittently; if I had to choose between the two of them I would choose Opera for stability but would choose Firefox for customization. No need to elaborate why since I use neither now and exclusively use Google Chrome/Chromium.

Edit: but I do prefer Mozilla Firefox Mobile on Android, and find Opera Mobile worthless...I also like Xscope and the Android default browser.

[c00lwaterz]

im now using beta 9 of firefox. =) excited to download the rc :p