Adobe-acknowledged petition to bring their Creative Suite to Linux

[Starks]

http://getsatisfaction.com/adobe/topics/produce_creative_suite_for_linux

1500+ votes so far.

[summersab]

Bump to this. I voted - did you?

[simpleblue]

Voted.

[Ric_NYC]

Voted!

[aG93IGRvIGkgdWJ1bnR1Pw==]

I like the idea, but not enough to give a site I've never seen before access to my google account.

[Zzl1xndd]

Voted

[szymon_g]

http://getsatisfaction.com/adobe/topics/produce_creative_suite_for_linux

1500+ votes so far.

i wonder how many of those who voted will actually buy this program (if it will be released for Linux)...

[czr114]

i wonder how many of those who voted will actually buy this program (if it will be released for Linux)...
Unfortunately, not enough. Anyone who has to have CS is bound by some sort of commercial need, for which they'll already have either Windows or Mac as a matter of necessity. Those who can make do with free alternatives are already doing so, and aren't going to pay CS's hefty price tag just because it becomes available on their system.

There's just no marginal demand for this product on another OS. What they'll get are switchers from one release to another, who give up dual booting to use it.

Until free alternatives can compete with CS among those who actually pay for it, Adobe will be under no pressure to make a costly port.

They'd probably be better off porting Photoshop Elements for those who don't like GIMP. That seems like an opportunity for new sales, given the much lower cost of Elements.

[jcolyn]

The average user will never use all of the features Adobe has in their suite so why pay an outrageous price for something that can be had in Gimp and/or DigiKam or other Linux editing program???

Doesn't make sense to me.............

[Zzl1xndd]

i wonder how many of those who voted will actually buy this program (if it will be released for Linux)...

I would at least by Elements and I have a number of friends that would move to Linux if only they could use Adobe CS.

[Starks]

I don't know a single Photoshop user who actually bought it unless they used it for their job.

At the same time, it's ludicrous to say that Gimp is as good as Photoshop in a production-level environment.

[Dustin2128]

The average user will never use all of the features Adobe has in their suite so why pay an outrageous price for something that can be had in Gimp and/or DigiKam or other Linux editing program???

Doesn't make sense to me.............
Thank you.

[handy]

Many photographers would love to be able to use Lightroom 3, & Photoshop in Linux.

[NMFTM]

I don't really know what the market for something like Creative Suite is on the desktop, for Windows and OSX even. Let's be realistic, in a business environment they're going to buy the suite because the fines and penalties associated with getting caught using pirated software are just too big to take a chance on. While a home user can pirate pretty much every commercial application they'd want to use and run effectively a zero risk of getting caught. How many home users that use CS actually purchased it? One of the courses the college I attend teaches is graphic design and since the school doesn't supply copies of any of the commercial software they use to the students, I'd be willing to bet that upwards of 90% of the students who want to do their school work at home are using pirated copies.

[Khakilang]

I don't know a single Photoshop user who actually bought it unless they used it for their job.

At the same time, it's ludicrous to say that Gimp is as good as Photoshop in a production-level environment.

I don't use all the features in Photoshop. Sometime I find it to be overkill so I settle for Gimp even in Windows days. It is not better than Photoshop but I find it suit my needs. I always want to get the image right the first time and not rely image processor to correct the image.

Anyway I voted just in case I might need it in the future and hope more user will be attracted to Linux.

[jrusso2]

These petitions have been done many times and never accomplish anything, to me its pointless to keep sending them to adobe.

[DogMatix]

As a designer I am tied to using industry standard software such as Adobe's Creative Suite to stay compatible with my clients and commercial printer's etc. I did start using Creative Suite on Windows but when I told clients/colleagues you would have thought I had committed a crime and many of them fell to the floor gasping for air. This was particularly true with print production/publishers. So now I only run Creative Suite on a, rather expensive, Mac.

I do occasionally use GNU apps such as GIMP and Bluefish on my Linux PCs but I don't admit it to customers, what they don't know won't bother them. As long as I can deliver compatible file formats they are as happy as Larry.

I still doubt we will be seeing Creative Suite on Linux though. If we do I'll eat my Acer netbook.

[NightwishFan]

I am going to point Adobe to the post above. I am sure one of them would desire to see someone eat a netbook enough to port it. ;)

[rg4w]

I voted.

Anyone else see this CW article back in April?:



Ubuntu Wants Adobe, Even if Apple Doesn't
Canonical, the company behind Ubuntu Linux, would welcome Adobe.

By Steven J. Vaughan-Nichols, Computerworld Apr 25, 2010
...
Canonical marketing manager Gerry Carr told me that "in a recent survey we did of the Ubuntu User base where we got 32,000 plus responses, Adobe Photoshop as a potential application for Ubuntu got a 3.52 rating out of 5 being the second most popular potential app after Skype."

That doesn't come as any surprise to me. Photoshop has long topped the list of most wanted proprietary programs on Linux users' wish list (http://practical-tech.com/operating-system/why-photoshop-tops-most-wanted-linux-app-list/).
...http://www.pcworld.com/article/194958/ubuntu_wants_adobe_even_if_apple_doesnt.html

[MasterNetra]

I voted

[MisterGaribaldi]

I voted in this as well. I think Linux would go a LOT further towards its goal of desktop ubiquity if it had some actually legit professional software on it. That, by the way, *should* also include things like accounting software, CAD software, a *real* office productivity suite, real multimedia software... You know, like they do in Mac OS X and Windows.


The average user will never use all of the features Adobe has in their suite so why pay an outrageous price for something that can be had in Gimp and/or DigiKam or other Linux editing program???

Doesn't make sense to me.............

The "average" user on a Windows or Mac OS X box doesn't necessarily use that software, either. Just like I'm not an accountant and so I don't have copies of PeachTree or any other such apps, whether legal or otherwise. So, sorry, but I don't really see the force of that argument.

At least you didn't try and make the really silly argument that Gimp is as good as Photoshop. I'm about done hearing that nonsense trotted out every time the subject comes up.

[MasterNetra]

These petitions have been done many times and never accomplish anything, to me its pointless to keep sending them to adobe.

On the contrary the more frequent the more it shows adobe that there is a interest for it to be ported to linux, and the more people who do, make it know they want it for linux and are willing to pay for it, the more incline adobe will be to make a port. No Interest = No customers = No revenue = No Port.


I voted in this as well. I think Linux would go a LOT further towards its goal of desktop ubiquity if it had some actually legit professional software on it. That, by the way, *should* also include things like accounting software, CAD software, a *real* office productivity suite, real multimedia software... You know, like they do in Mac OS X and Windows.



The "average" user on a Windows or Mac OS X box doesn't necessarily use that software, either. Just like I'm not an accountant and so I don't have copies of PeachTree or any other such apps, whether legal or otherwise. So, sorry, but I don't really see the force of that argument.

At least you didn't try and make the really silly argument that Gimp is as good as Photoshop. I'm about done hearing that nonsense trotted out every time the subject comes up.

+1

Indeed, and odds are if they wouldn't use in linux then they probably not using it on Windows or Mac anyway.

I think though a lot of people that make such arguments against Adobe software porting to Linux really just don't want to see more proprietary software on Linux.

[summersab]

I tried submitting this as a story to Engadget, but it's not something that they would regularly feature. Maybe if more people submitted it, it would get attention and they would be willing to post it. I discovered this on OMG Ubuntu - any other blogs this could be posted to to get recognition of the posting?

[forrestcupp]

They'd probably be better off porting Photoshop Elements for those who don't like GIMP. That seems like an opportunity for new sales, given the much lower cost of Elements.

I'm not going to say that Gimp is on par with Photoshop, but are you really comparing it to a weak, waste of hard drive space like Elements? (And before you ask, yes, I own Elements, and I never touch it)

[czr114]

I'm not going to say that Gimp is on par with Photoshop, but are you really comparing it to a weak, waste of hard drive space like Elements? (And before you ask, yes, I own Elements, and I never touch it)
Not functionally, no. I'm merely remarking on the number of people who have a strong aversion to GIMP, and might be receptive to the Photoshop brand. That applies doubly to all those who never had a commercial need for CS, but took advantage of, and became familiar with, pirated Photoshop before they switched to Linux.

Judging from the number of Photoshop-in-WINE questions, most of which seem to be from hobbyists with presumably pirated Photoshop, a native Elements at least has the opportunity to convert some users at a manageable hobbyist price point, lest they start frothing at the mouth from having to use GIMP again.

The full CS suite has no similar parallel. It'd be a huge mess to port, and given the loyalty among people who need to use it, they're not going to attract many marginal sales from people who gave up CS to stick with Linux, owing to the scarcity of such people. Elements at least has that opportunity, which can only grow as projects like Ubuntu gain greater desktop penetration.

[jcolyn]

The "average" user on a Windows or Mac OS X box doesn't necessarily use that software, either. Just like I'm not an accountant and so I don't have copies of PeachTree or any other such apps, whether legal or otherwise. So, sorry, but I don't really see the force of that argument.

The most popular image editing programs for Windows and Mac are PhotoShop and Adobe Lightroom in Windows and PhotoShop and Aperture in Mac so yes the average Windows and Mac users do use them..

I don't see where Peachtree has anything to do with the discussion at hand..


At least you didn't try and make the really silly argument that Gimp is as good as Photoshop.

For the "average user" Gimp is more than enough for what they need. It is better than PhotoShop in that you don't have to pay Adobe's outrageous price..


I'm about done hearing that nonsense trotted out every time the subject comes up.

Is that because nobody has the right to disagree with you???

[themarker0]

I'd like native BSD flash support first.

[forrestcupp]

The most popular image editing programs for Windows and Mac are PhotoShop and Adobe Lightroom in Windows and PhotoShop and Aperture in Mac so yes the average Windows and Mac users do use them..

The most popular 3D CAD software is SolidWorks. That doesn't mean the average user uses SolidWorks just because it's the most popular in that genre.

[jcolyn]

The most popular 3D CAD software is SolidWorks. That doesn't mean the average user uses SolidWorks just because it's the most popular in that genre.

No argument here but we are talking about PhotoShop.

I have no statistics but I would not be surprised if PhotoShop/Lightroom/Aperture is the most used image editing software on the Mac or Windows. My previous statement is based on personal opinion from years on the photo forums and as a photographer myself.

Now this I can state as true from my years in the imaging business..most companies who hire graphic artists and/or QA editors require knowledge of PhotoShop followed only by DP-2..

I have to use PhotoShop and DP-2 at work but prefer Gimp for my personal use..

But back to the original subject. I doubt Adobe will port their suite to Linux simply because of the cost v number they might sell. It took Adobe several years before they would port it to Windows and only then because of the large number of Windows users willing to pay their outrageous price.. Linux simply does not have the number of users willing to pay..

[MisterGaribaldi]

There's this whole "cathedral and the bazaar" thing going on here, thank you Mr. Eric Raymond... ;)

The problem with "everyone just scratches their own itch" is it clearly isn't satisfying needs being repeatedly expressed, for instance, by people trying to get stuff to work in Wine and/or Crossover Office. Q.E.D.

[summersab]

Enough with the flame wars! Some of you don't want this, and we get it. Some of us do. Can we focus on spreading the word about this post instead of arguing Stallman vs Torvalds?

[Giant Speck]

Personally, I think I'd only use Lightroom, but I'd love for everyone to be able to use the software they want to use on Ubuntu, whether it be proprietary or free/open-source.

[forrestcupp]

No argument here but we are talking about PhotoShop.

I have no statistics but I would not be surprised if PhotoShop/Lightroom/Aperture is the most used image editing software on the Mac or Windows. My previous statement is based on personal opinion from years on the photo forums and as a photographer myself.I don't doubt that Photoshop is the most popular editing software. Your previous statement is based on your personal opinion as someone who is definitely not an "average user"; you were a specialist.

Photoshop is way too expensive for the average user, and the average user is not a pirate. I could agree that the average digital photographer would be likely to use Photoshop, but not just the average user.


Enough with the flame wars! Some of you don't want this, and we get it. Some of us do. Can we focus on spreading the word about this post instead of arguing Stallman vs Torvalds?
I doubt if there is anyone who is actively opposed to the existence of a native Linux port of Photoshop. Most negative responses are just skepticism and the realism that Adobe probably won't make a lot of money off of a Linux market.

[jcolyn]

I doubt if there is anyone who is actively opposed to the existence of a native Linux port of Photoshop. Most negative responses are just skepticism and the realism that Adobe probably won't make a lot of money off of a Linux market.

This is my point. I have no opposition to Adobe porting their suite but in all probability it won't happen till Linux gets enough permanent users to justify the costs of porting it.

Right now there simply isn't the numbers to justify.

Adobe is in the business to make money. If they don't make a certain percentage they won't exploit that market..

[frankbooth]

Voted, lets hope it gets done someday :P

[weasel fierce]

Photoshop is way too expensive for the average user, and the average user is not a pirate. I could agree that the average digital photographer would be likely to use Photoshop, but not just the average user.

Anecdotal evidence and all, but I'd be surprised if photoshop wasn't one of the most pirated app's on windows. I know a ton of people who have it, and only one who actually purchased it, as he had a healthy student discount and uses it professionally.

[steev182]

I'd eat my iPad if Adobe released Creative Suite and Lightroom for Linux...

However, someone should submit this to Engadget's Apple hating cousin - Gizmodo.

I think that Adobe apps would be a big thing for getting linux out of the server rooms and onto the Desktops.

The corporate environment is where Adobe makes their money. If companies can free up funds from not having to pay as much for Windows licenses or MS Office, then they would be more willing to upgrade each time Adobe brings out an update to Creative Suite. At my last employer, the choice was either upgrade to office 2007 for 300 users or upgrade from CS2 to CS4, they chose Office.

[czr114]

Seeing Elements ported would be great for the community. A number of GIMP fans and free software advocates would immediately spring into action, spurring further development on the GIMP project. It'd certainly be a productive outlet for so much of the non-productive development time currently flowing into eye candy, toy apps, and reinvention of the wheel.