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devondashla
November 2nd, 2010, 03:40 AM
I'm looking to get the newest Nano, since my Classic no longer works.

gavdari
November 26th, 2010, 02:00 PM
Maybe to late to answer your question, but I have an iPod Nano 6G and it doesn't work with any native software in linux. I've tried gtkpod, rhythmbox, banshee and amarok so far and none of them are working. Each has some error at some point which I guess is because of new firmware that is not supported yet. I would like to know if any one finds a good solution to get it to work under maverick.

alaukikyo
November 26th, 2010, 04:00 PM
Maybe to late to answer your question, but I have an iPod Nano 6G and it doesn't work with any native software in linux. I've tried gtkpod, rhythmbox, banshee and amarok so far and none of them are working. Each has some error at some point which I guess is because of new firmware that is not supported yet. I would like to know if any one finds a good solution to get it to work under maverick.

try itunes in wine

Rave Gloves
November 26th, 2010, 04:06 PM
i just bought a Fuze made by sandisk. It is far superior to ipods. The sound quality is amazing and best of all it works 100% with ubuntu. I've had to much bother with ipods and ubuntu so i felt it was time to change.

gavdari
December 1st, 2010, 07:44 PM
try itunes in wine
Well, it didn't work. Are you sure iTunes works in maverick and Wine 1.2?

TakeLifeEasy
December 11th, 2010, 08:33 AM
Can someone point me in the right direction where to find further updates on this and who are the developers?

peternickson
December 12th, 2010, 10:08 PM
Still no support using any programs. gtkpod detects music, but crashes. Banshee detects that the ipod contains content, but doesn't detect it as music. Rhythmbox detects the music, but you cannot add music to ipod.

gnomeuser
December 12th, 2010, 10:14 PM
I have recently been involved in triaging all the iPod bugs in Banshee, and the answer is no.

https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=631006

Support your local libgpod developer, he may be able to reverse engineer support, till such a time as Apple learns to play with others.

mac9416
December 26th, 2010, 12:54 AM
According to a recent thread on the GTKPod development mailing list (http://sourceforge.net/mailarchive/forum.php?thread_name=AANLkTimPsMqVEr6Zh5-KtQAbwqATjc1G0dxdshD3ez2v%40mail.gmail.com&forum_name=gtkpod-devel) (the GTKPod folks write the software that allow Ubuntu to manage iPods):


For now, the nano6g uses the same hash for the music database as the
iphone4 and the ipod touch 4, which unfortunately means someone needs
to reverse engineer this hash before the nano6g can be fully
supported. And reverse engineering this is pretty hard :-/

eneville
December 29th, 2010, 05:58 PM
According to a recent thread on the GTKPod development mailing list (http://sourceforge.net/mailarchive/forum.php?thread_name=AANLkTimPsMqVEr6Zh5-KtQAbwqATjc1G0dxdshD3ez2v%40mail.gmail.com&forum_name=gtkpod-devel) (the GTKPod folks write the software that allow Ubuntu to manage iPods):

Apple must have taken a lesson from Microsoft Office file formats in the 90's.

luissil
June 12th, 2011, 05:20 AM
June and nothing...?:(

Bandit
June 12th, 2011, 06:36 AM
I have the most recent iPod Nano with video and it works like a charm.

Tuxi
June 12th, 2011, 02:41 PM
Bandit,

Is it the squareish one? This one http://www.apple.com/ipodnano/?

Thanks.

Bandit
June 12th, 2011, 05:20 PM
Bandit,

Is it the squareish one? This one http://www.apple.com/ipodnano/?

Thanks.

Wutt.. when did that come out?
I got this one. (http://support.apple.com/kb/HT1353#iPod_nano5G).

Looks like I got 5th gen one.. I thought I had the most recent since I just got it less then a year ago.. LOL o well..

Tuxi
June 12th, 2011, 09:07 PM
I got the 6th gen one today as an early Fathers' Day present. The database isn't updated within Ubuntu 11.04 (libgpod) atm. I used SWMBO's Win box to load music today. Looking into mediamonkey on my VBox version of XP. :-(

luissil
June 13th, 2011, 12:00 AM
I used Itunes in Vbox, and I hate it! but it's the only way at this time... :-(

-Mudboy-
June 17th, 2011, 07:02 AM
http://www.howtogeek.com/howto/24473/how-to-use-your-ipod-with-foobar2000/

This program apparently runs under wine, i haven't tested it yet but anyone who wants to should go ahead as with the guide on the page i linked it apparently supports nano 6g
(http://www.howtogeek.com/howto/24473/how-to-use-your-ipod-with-foobar2000/)

clintonm
June 26th, 2011, 03:47 PM
http://www.howtogeek.com/howto/24473/how-to-use-your-ipod-with-foobar2000/

This program apparently runs under wine, i haven't tested it yet but anyone who wants to should go ahead as with the guide on the page i linked it apparently supports nano 6g
(http://www.howtogeek.com/howto/24473/how-to-use-your-ipod-with-foobar2000/)

I've read that wine doesn't support USB, in which case this won't be useful yes?

Also, I noticed in the changelog of the development version of libgpod, the library gtkpod uses, references to nano 6g serial numbers. Does this mean the nano 6g is becoming closer to being supported?

arealityfarbetween
June 30th, 2011, 01:15 PM
not at all AFAIK, it just means that libgpod will recognise the device as something it will conceivably be able to control-once the libgpod guys manage to reverse engineer the hash that apple added to the database file on the iPod.

sebas9854
July 30th, 2011, 03:50 PM
Just so you know, I'm using gtkpod from the software centre with my new Nano, it works (so far)!

EDIT: Just disconnected the iPod, it didn't quite transfer the songs, it just pretended to.

Going to have to use Vbox on W7

tecywiz121
October 17th, 2011, 05:42 PM
I wonder if apple's hash has anything to do with their patent (http://appft1.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?Sect1=PTO1&Sect2=HITOFF&d=PG01&p=1&u=%2Fnetahtml%2FPTO%2Fsrchnum.html&r=1&f=G&l=50&s1=%2220100111292%22.PGNR.&OS=DN/20100111292&RS=DN/20100111292)

HDave
December 7th, 2011, 05:16 PM
Gtkpod's website (http://gtkpod.org/wiki/Libgpod) still reports no 6G support as of today. Does anyone know *when* support might be coming out?

Brejcha
December 28th, 2011, 05:53 AM
Hopefully it gets support soon :-(

fyfe54
December 28th, 2011, 11:30 AM
I'm looking to get the newest Nano, since my Classic no longer works.

Using iTumes in Virtualbox/Xp-Pro. It's the only thnig that worked or me with 6th gen Nano.

FYI - Apple just replaced my 1st gen Nano with the latest model because of a bunch of bad batteries used in the original manufacture. Check Apple's website for details.

wb8nbs
December 29th, 2011, 10:18 PM
Using iTumes in Virtualbox/Xp-Pro. It's the only thnig that worked or me with 6th gen Nano.

FYI - Apple just replaced my 1st gen Nano with the latest model because of a bunch of bad batteries used in the original manufacture. Check Apple's website for details.


FedEx just handed me a Gen 6 Nano as replacement for my Gen 1 that got recalled. So I am also desperate for Linux support. Will try Itunes with Wine but I don't have much confidence in that solution. :-(

Uppsala9496
December 31st, 2011, 10:41 PM
I am in this exact same situation. Apple replaced my 1st gen nano with a 6th gen. Nice that I now have double the space, but really, really crappy that I can't transfer over any songs from my media drive that is on my ubuntu machine.

tuneable
January 6th, 2012, 03:13 AM
I found this thread through another message (link (http://askubuntu.com/questions/26353/how-can-i-sync-with-an-ipod-nano-6g)) on the same issue: no successful way to transfer mp3s to an iPod Nano 6th gen in native Linux apps (banshee, rhythmbox and the likes). I am still using Ubuntu 10.10, so things may look brighter on more recent releases.

That said, I can report the workarounds that did work for me:

Virtualbox with a Windows Virtual Machine and iTunes
Spotify for Linux


Notes on Virtualbox: I did have to copy the mp3s to the Windows VM, because analysis of my library in iTunes took indefinite amounts of time when using a virtual share to my music library in Ubuntu (~/Music/).

Notes on Spotify: I have a free account and the Linux client. I added the local files to the library and created a second playlist (called iPod) which I selected to sink to the iPod. Found this to be the only way to select the mp3s that end up on the iPod. Warning: Spotify erased my iPod before syncing.

Either way works, but I'd still prefer to see a fix for libgpod/gtkpod.

erudite
January 11th, 2012, 11:27 PM
I'm not sure this will ever be possible I'm afraid. Apple have closed everything down by encrypting some hashes...

More here: http://www.tuaw.com/2007/09/15/6th-gen-ipods-wont-work-with-linux-winamp/

80aless
January 22nd, 2012, 10:26 AM
I just managed to synchronize my Ipod nano 6g with Spotify for Linux!
I confirm that banshee mounts the ipod and writes the files but the music does not appear

navafederico
January 23rd, 2012, 01:20 PM
Spotify is unfortunately not a solution for most European users.

Instead I recently found this java software, on the FAQ it's written it's possible to sync 6th gen ipod nano on linux, but I had no chance to test it since my replaced ipod is still on shipment.

http://www.jakpod.de/en/frequentlyaskedquestions/1-jakpod_faqs/14-supported_iPods

"Attention! JakPod does work with iPhones, iPod touchs and Nanos 6. Gen since version 2.0 but only on LINUX machines!"

I hope this can be useful. I will test it as soon as I can.

UPDATE => no luck syncing the device with jakpod :(

luraze
January 31st, 2012, 07:16 PM
I didn't get jakpod to work either. Kinda strange that he would write something like that. I do though have a feeling that he means 5g support, as I've read in his forums (written in German) that he doesn't even own a nano 6g to test.

I have tried Spotify with varying results. Far as I remember, it worked to write to the databse, but Spotify for linux is itself in beta stage, and therefore kinda buggy.

For now I dualboot with Windows, and use the oh so awful iTunes. Hoping for a quick fix, as the nano 6g is a wonderful little thing.

Ph1b
February 14th, 2012, 03:44 PM
I got a iPod by the replacement program. This Apple is really annoying me, are there any updates with using iPod under Ubuntu?

DoctorLex
March 22nd, 2012, 03:01 PM
I am in the same situation: got a replacement 6th gen for my 1st gen nano, now I am trying to add some files in Linux to it and it proves impossible. I'd much rather have received a refurbished 1st gen even despite the fact that I now have 8GB instead of 4GB. As if it wasn't bad enough that I lost the ability to install Rockbox, now I can't even use the thing at all under Linux.

Ph1b
March 22nd, 2012, 03:04 PM
I am in the same situation: got a replacement 6th gen for my 1st gen nano, now I am trying to add some files in Linux to it and it proves impossible. I'd much rather have received a refurbished 1st gen even despite the fact that I now have 8GB instead of 4GB. As if it wasn't bad enough that I lost the ability to install Rockbox, now I can't even use the thing at all under Linux.

I just sold that piece of apple-crap and bought a Sansa Clip+ for 20 from UK. (living in gemany) Also reads my 32GB microSDHC and takes 16 hours with rockbox. :guitar:

Agent24
March 24th, 2012, 11:02 PM
I also now have an iPod Nano v6 (with firmware v1.2), due to the replacement\recall program.

I haven't found a way to use it in Linux yet either. BUT I have been able to use it in Windows with a program called "Mediamonkey"

I don't know if they have licensed something from Apple to make it work or what but it does work. I haven't tried it in Wine though.

wolfen69
March 25th, 2012, 05:42 PM
I just sold that piece of apple-crap and bought a Sansa Clip+ for 20 from UK. (living in gemany) Also reads my 32GB microSDHC and takes 16 hours with rockbox. :guitar:

Finally, someone that took it upon them self to do something about the ipod dilemma. Don't use one if you want it to work in linux. Simple. Otherwise, feel free to stay with windows or apple for all your computing needs because of an mp3 player. ;)

perce
March 31st, 2012, 07:52 PM
What never stops surprising me is that Apple made a device which can be interfaced only with ONE program of their choice, and people are still running to buy it, despite the many alternatives. What would people say if Microsoft had done the same?

Astinsan
April 5th, 2012, 06:09 PM
It has to do with DRM. This is the only reason for doing this. It keeps you locked into their store. If apple can convince a record label or movie house that they have a secure way to distribute their IP it would be easier to get that publisher on board. In the mean time it screws the customer. Specially when you send in your ipod for repair and get something else even when their website stated that you would get your exact model back... really irritating.

I suspect the hash maybe based off of the serial number.

Powergate92
April 7th, 2012, 05:35 AM
It has to do with DRM. This is the only reason for doing this. It keeps you locked into their store. If apple can convince a record label or movie house that they have a secure way to distribute their IP it would be easier to get that publisher on board. In the mean time it screws the customer.
And that's why this lawsuit happened: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apple_Inc._litigation#Apple_iPod.2C_iTunes_antitru st_litigation

danwood76
April 16th, 2013, 07:15 PM
If anyone gets to the end of this thread and wants a solution to using the Nano 6G with the libhashab.so I have one.

Basically I tried to get the original developper of the lib to send me a fixed version but he refused (he wanted money) so I set about reverse enginerring his code.
Fortunately I found a switch early on that tried (and failed) to detect the Nano 6G, I have modified the libhashab.so (changed 3 bytes) so that it always calculates the correct hash for the Nano 6G.

Attached is the library and some install scripts.
To use the library in 64-bit ubuntu you need to use a wrapper which I have written and is also included (as is the source) in the tar.gz.

All info is in the readme file, I hope this helps someone out!
I have tested this in Ubuntu 12.04 32 bit and 64 bit and can sync my Nano 6G with Rhythmbox, Banshee, and Clementine I'm sure anything that uses libgpod will work.

Basically extract it somewhere useful, read the readme, and then run one of the install scripts.

Kind regards,
Danny

Merk42
April 16th, 2013, 07:29 PM
Great, now I can close the thread for necromancy.