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devondashla
October 24th, 2010, 01:13 AM
I do. I think Banshee has gone a long way, and with 1.9 being released in November, I think there's a good chance of it finally replacing the old geezer singer we call Rhythmbox.

P.S. Feel free to vote in the poll. Also; if you don't prefer Banshee or Rhythmbox, what media player would you like to see replace Rhythmbox?

FuturePilot
October 24th, 2010, 01:15 AM
I hope it will.

devondashla
October 24th, 2010, 01:20 AM
I hope it will.

But do you think it will? I mean, I could hope Oprah will come to my front door right now and give me $1,000,000.00, but I don't think she will.

Dustin2128
October 24th, 2010, 01:32 AM
No, I'm so anti-mono that my antimononess alone will prevent it from being adopted. That fact aside, I can see it being replaced by exaile (my favorite player); not too bloated yet it has decent extensibility, even including many of banshee's features. Of course, ubuntu could always swap to KDE and amarok...

devondashla
October 24th, 2010, 01:37 AM
No, I'm so anti-mono that my antimononess alone will prevent it from being adopted. That fact aside, I can see it being replaced by exaile (my favorite player); not too bloated yet it has decent extensibility, even including many of banshee's features. Of course, ubuntu could always swap to KDE and amarok...

Does it really matter what was used to develop the application? I know I don't understand a lot about programming and C and all that other mess, but I don't really see the point in disliking something that doesn't effect the experience using the app itself. And I haven't used Exaile in awhile-even when I use XFCE on occasion, I immediately replace it with Banshee. Does it support iPods yet? And I highly doubt Ubuntu will ever swap to KDE-that will render Kubuntu useless. Also, the reason I don't like Amarok or Exaile, is that you can't listen to your music without it stupidly adding the track to a playlist. I don't even use playlists, first of all, and the only application I ever liked that did that was Deadbeef. And I eventually dropped Deadbeef because of Banshee's features and implementation.

Giant Speck
October 24th, 2010, 01:39 AM
People still use media players?

devondashla
October 24th, 2010, 01:46 AM
People still use media players?
Most normal people, yes.

Dustin2128
October 24th, 2010, 01:46 AM
Does it really matter what was used to develop the application? I know I don't understand a lot about programming and C and all that other mess, but I don't really see the point in disliking something that doesn't effect the experience using the app itself. And I haven't used Exaile in awhile-even when I use XFCE on occasion, I immediately replace it with Banshee. Does it support iPods yet? And I highly doubt Ubuntu will ever swap to KDE-that will render Kubuntu useless. Also, the reason I don't like Amarok or Exaile, is that you can't listen to your music without it stupidly adding the track to a playlist. I don't even use playlists, first of all, and the only application I ever liked that did that was Deadbeef. And I eventually dropped Deadbeef because of Banshee's features and implementation.
exaile does support ipod syncs, as for me disliking mono... that's a topic for another thread or a PM or something, it tends to start at least 2.4 * 10^27 flame wars.

Most normal people, yes.
Most people on here are not normal, myself included. Some of us aren't even human...

James7
October 24th, 2010, 02:02 AM
They already got rid of F-Spot due to Mono issues. I suspect the next and last one to go will be Tomboy, to be replaced by Gnote. I don't see why they'd then go and make a Mono media player as the default.

Merk42
October 24th, 2010, 02:06 AM
They already got rid of F-Spot due to Mono issues. I suspect the next and last one to go will be Tomboy, to be replaced by Gnote. I don't see why they'd then go and make a Mono media player as the default.
I don't think that's why they got rid of F-Spot.
If mono were such an issue to Canonical (it's not) then they wouldn't have put it in, in the first place.

Anyway, I see this thread essentially turning into a mono argument and moved to recurring

Quadunit404
October 24th, 2010, 02:36 AM
I love Banshee so I hope so. Rhythmbox... sucks :-|

Spr0k3t
October 24th, 2010, 04:47 AM
I'm not a fan of Banshee or Exaile. I do however enjoy using Rhythmbox and Quod Libet. I've got a little over 12K songs and have never had any problems with either player. If they switch to something like Banshee, I'll remove it and switch it back to Rhythmbox as my default.

As for Canonicals efforts in removing mono and the super-massive flametastic debate about all that, I would like to make the motion to remove the discussion of mono from this thread.

ctrlmd
October 24th, 2010, 05:06 AM
don't think so
anyway i always remove rhythmbox and install banshee as soon as i install new version

gnomeuser
October 24th, 2010, 05:14 AM
Absolutely, they have been dragging their feet for years. There are now so many ways in which Banshee is clearly superior it would be shameful not to switch.

Khakilang
October 24th, 2010, 05:17 AM
It doesn't matter to me what they put in. As long as I can remove it and put what I like and works.

Ctrl-Alt-F1
October 24th, 2010, 05:30 AM
I like Rhythmbox it works well for what I use it for (small music collection and last.fm).

Roasted
October 24th, 2010, 05:49 AM
Really not sure what the big deal is. I have about ~10 media players installed.

SushiR
October 24th, 2010, 06:14 AM
Banshee's still lacking an auto fill playlist feature, based on recommended songs (last.fm or other services). And don't tell me about mirage. It takes AGES to scan 100 GB of music (and that isn't all there is...). Plus it's still very ressource hungry. Something that other players do better (rhythmbox, guayadeque etc.). So I voted Rhythmbox.

Dustin2128
October 24th, 2010, 06:17 AM
Banshee's still lacking an auto fill playlist feature, based on recommended songs (last.fm or other services). And don't tell me about mirage. It takes AGES to scan 100 GB of music (and that isn't all there is...). Plus it's still very ressource hungry. Something that other players do better (rhythmbox, guayadeque etc.). So I voted Rhythmbox.
how do you have 100+ GB of music? Do you encode everything in FLAC or something?

doorknob60
October 24th, 2010, 06:23 AM
I want it to, but I don't think it will (not out of the realm of possibility though). I voted that it will though :P I think ever since 1.8 (unstable), Banshee has been the best media player on Linux, and the next stable release (1.9) should be fit to be the default player.

weasel fierce
October 24th, 2010, 08:17 AM
Rhythmbox works fine for me. I guess I should check out Banshee though.

Used Amarok a fair time some years back, and it was pretty rad

dh04000
October 24th, 2010, 08:33 AM
I voted for banshee, even though I don't think it will be included in 11.04. The ubuntu devs' are trying to free up room in order to fit on a single cd. Getting rid of mono will help them remove the bloat.

As far as a music player goes, banshee is WAY better than rhythmbox. Rhythmbox's UI is a bloody mess. Its UI needs so much work in order to compete with banshee. A complete and utter mess. You could write a 100 paper cuts just for rhythmbox. Its a great player when you don't consider the UI, but how can you ignore it? Its what you see!

SushiR
October 24th, 2010, 08:47 AM
how do you have 100+ GB of music? Do you encode everything in FLAC or something? I have a lot of CDs that I've ripped (mostly ogg in high quality, still lots of mp3 and a fair amount of flac) plus my husband has another 100 GB, that I usually mount via NFS share on my netbook/desktop, so that's quite a lot, I agree. And mirage isn't acceptable with such an amount of data. It probably takes 24 hrs to scan it, maybe even longer.

Rhythmbox on the other side can be extended by a nice plugin* to auto-queue similar tracks, a feature I can't go without. It has a lighter memory print and uses less cpu.

And there's Guayadeque, with a ton of featuress still lightweight. Not as stable as rhythmbox, but yet a very nice player.

I really like Banshee's miro integration, but since I'm not THAT much into podcasts, it's not a killer feature for me. So, unless Banshee reduces CPU/memory usage and comes with an auto-queue feature, I will not replace rhythmbox. But I'm following development and maybe 1.9 will be better...


* Last.fm auto-queue (http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2009/12/auto-queue-similar-tracks-in-rhythmbox-using-last-fm/)

Paqman
October 24th, 2010, 09:51 AM
They already got rid of F-Spot due to Mono issues.

F-Spot was gotten rid of because there were large question marks over it's long-term future, not because it was Mono. Mono is a non-issue.

I much prefer Banshee to Rhythmbox on everything except my netbook, which struggles a bit with Banshee. I'd like to see it become the default player on the desktop CD, but I don't expect it to do so in Natty.

Canis familiaris
October 24th, 2010, 10:28 AM
Please no.
Mono apps = Bloat

Velnias
October 24th, 2010, 10:40 AM
Banshee? Thanks, no.

Half-Left
October 24th, 2010, 10:53 AM
Too buggy in my experience.

NightwishFan
October 24th, 2010, 11:05 AM
I like Exaile though it does not show all of my music for some reason. A few tracks are missing. Rhythmbox and Banshee are fine, Banshee a shade better with 10x more crashes. So I use Rhythmbox.

khelben1979
October 24th, 2010, 11:24 AM
Rhythmbox is superior to Banshee in my opinion. It's not the program which offers most functionality which is always the best. Low memory usage is something I prefer most of the time for the applications that I use.

Giant Speck
October 24th, 2010, 11:48 AM
Most normal people, yes.
Define "normal".

directhex
October 24th, 2010, 12:45 PM
It doesn't matter to me what they put in. As long as I can remove it and put what I like and works.

Amen.

directhex
October 24th, 2010, 12:47 PM
Getting rid of mono will help them remove the bloat.

That's a popular myth, but isn't true.

NightwishFan
October 24th, 2010, 12:52 PM
Fspot/Docky/Tomboy work slick and fast for me. I never have seen a technical problem with mono.

qamelian
October 24th, 2010, 12:54 PM
I love Banshee so I hope so. Rhythmbox... sucks :-|
That's a matter of opinion. I hate Banshee and love Rhythmbox. Banshee is easily one of the worst media players I've ever used. Half the time it fails to play media files that Rhythmbox plays flawlessly and it always uses up more resources than Rhytmbox on my laptop, generally resulting in the laptop overheating after only a few minutes of use. Even if Banshee became the default media player, I'd remove it and reinstall Rhythmbox.

gnomeuser
October 24th, 2010, 01:24 PM
Banshee's still lacking an auto fill playlist feature, based on recommended songs (last.fm or other services). And don't tell me about mirage. It takes AGES to scan 100 GB of music (and that isn't all there is...). Plus it's still very ressource hungry. Something that other players do better (rhythmbox, guayadeque etc.). So I voted Rhythmbox.

http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2010/10/new-banshee-features-improved-transcoding-and-shuffle-by-similar-artists/

gnomeuser
October 24th, 2010, 01:31 PM
Could people please file bugs on the issues they are having:

http://banshee.fm/contribute/file-bugs/

typically all we need is a log from a banshee-1 --debug --redirect-log run (found in ~/.config/banshee-1/log), the page linked above also has instructions on how to report issues for hangs.

If you have a performance issue it is helpful to also have a separate log with the addition parameter --debug-sql (separate because this is very verbose) to spot any queries in the database which may be taking a long time. Unfortunately Ubuntu and many distributions upgraded to SQLite 3.7.x which so has not had a release without serious performance regressions compared to 3.6.x

If you need help filing a bug, please go to #banshee on irc.gimp.net and ask your question with the log included as a pastebin.com url. Patience may be required, we are all volunteers but we would love to see Banshee work well for as many people as possible.

Thank you in advance.

Elfy
October 24th, 2010, 02:21 PM
Last time I looked at banshee it was not wanting multiple libraries nor would it watch them. You could do so (from memory) with rhythmbox - not easily but it could be done.

SushiR
October 24th, 2010, 03:12 PM
http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2010/10/new-banshee-features-improved-transcoding-and-shuffle-by-similar-artists/

David, I know about it. But you can't expect anyone to build stuff from git. I WILL try to build it - on my netbook - although I find it somewhat needless to install 120 MB of stuff to build a feature that is already there in other players.

directhex
October 24th, 2010, 03:27 PM
David, I know about it. But you can't expect anyone to build stuff from git. I WILL try to build it - on my netbook - although I find it somewhat needless to install 120 MB of stuff to build a feature that is already there in other players.

People won't run stuff from git.

People will run well-tested stuff in the main app, which was tested before becoming part of the main app, due to people running it from git.

SushiR
October 24th, 2010, 03:29 PM
Build fails somehow. And no, I haven't got the time to investigate further. No I just have to find out to remove all the build-dep stuff to clean my system...

NightwishFan
October 24th, 2010, 03:39 PM
Probably an easier way but here is how I do it. Under synaptic and its sections on the left one should be called "Libraries Development". There are a few like libc6-dev you want to keep but the rest you can remove. If it complains about one, just remove them in chunks of 10 so you can see which one you need to keep.

It wont be a harm to have them installed unless you think the ability to build is a security risk or you are short on space.


Edit: Should clarify on my answer about Banshee, I think it is a great player, and would love to see it Canonical supported in Main. It would probably be much more stable if so.

gnomeuser
October 24th, 2010, 11:45 PM
David, I know about it. But you can't expect anyone to build stuff from git. I WILL try to build it - on my netbook - although I find it somewhat needless to install 120 MB of stuff to build a feature that is already there in other players.

Then wait for the 1.9.0 release of BCE, it should be here soon. Building from git isn't required unless you absolutely want the latest now.

We deliver awesome in regularly scheduled intervals. If Natty switches to Banshee you will have it from day one and most certainly on release day.

beew
October 25th, 2010, 12:23 AM
I never use Rhythmbox. When I installed Ubuntu I completely removed Rhythmbox and Totem and installed VLC. That is enough for me.

deancasino
November 27th, 2010, 02:46 AM
They already got rid of F-Spot due to Mono issues. I suspect the next and last one to go will be Tomboy, to be replaced by Gnote. I don't see why they'd then go and make a Mono media player as the default.

I was certain F-Spot was taken out because (put simply) Shotwell did everything it could (better) and more.