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Gremlinzzz
October 23rd, 2010, 12:44 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RryZV8NK9-Q
The Terrifying Tale Of Large Marge !!

Gremlinzzz
October 24th, 2010, 12:14 AM
My home town.
West Haven - Savin Rock near the old "Casino" restaurant- A young lady known as "Darcy" seen in a pale yellow dress is known to haunt this area. She walks along the beach on foggy nights and disappears into the fog, also reported cold spots and hearing her sobs.

pwnst*r
October 24th, 2010, 04:48 AM
Ghosts - almost as believable as "flying saucers" and Bigfoot!

Dustin2128
October 24th, 2010, 06:43 AM
Ghosts - almost as believable as "flying saucers" and Bigfoot!
well the ghost of bigfoot was in the storage bay of the flying saucer that I flagged down, so...

kaldor
October 24th, 2010, 06:51 AM
well the ghost of bigfoot was in the storage bay of the flying saucer that I flagged down, so...

Bigfoot could very well exist. The gorilla was once a myth too.

andymorton
October 24th, 2010, 08:44 AM
I don't believe in anything paranormal myself but the following is a case from the town I grew up in.

http://www.hauntedhovel.com/runcornpoltergeist.html

andy

Gremlinzzz
October 24th, 2010, 01:42 PM
Big news in 1974 Lindley Street Haunting
Lorraine Warren recalled, "Never in my life did I ever see so many police officers get down on their knees and ask for a priest's blessing as in the Goodin home. They were really at God's mercy in that house and they knew it."
http://drazor1.tripod.com/id137.html

Gremlinzzz
October 24th, 2010, 02:02 PM
Keeping with the Halloween spirit feel free to add local stories,
Heres more from Connecticut.
http://www.unsolvedmysteries.com/usm397236.html

Gremlinzzz
October 24th, 2010, 02:13 PM
Ghosts - almost as believable as "flying saucers" and Bigfoot!

Einstein proved that energy can never die or disappear, but it can change forms!

handy
October 24th, 2010, 04:00 PM
I've seen a ghost, experienced a poltergeist (extremely intense experience), & had multiple experiences with various levels of spiritual entities.

Whether you believe it or not, makes no difference to me. :)

pwnst*r
October 24th, 2010, 04:23 PM
Whether you believe it or not, makes no difference to me. :)

Good, me neither.

TeoBigusGeekus
October 24th, 2010, 04:27 PM
I recommend this site:
http://www.reddit.com/r/nosleep/

stuarttanner
October 24th, 2010, 04:33 PM
in my old house i have had doors slamming and the ghost of a guy stood next to the bed scared the s**t out of me

NightwishFan
October 24th, 2010, 04:49 PM
in my old house i have had doors slamming and the ghost of a guy stood next to the bed scared the s**t out of me

Nothing like slamming doors, however I did see something along these lines. It was verified indirectly by the comments of my friends son. I never mentioned I noticed anything like this to him (or anyone). He said that he thought he saw someone, and when he looked again, they were gone. That is exactly what happened to me.

The blood chilling part was the cats (both of them) staring where I saw the figure. (Wasn't a joke either, the only way out of back where I saw the figure was through the room I was in, not even a window.

I do not "disbelieve" in ghosts but neither am I convinced they exist. The above is no tall-tale though.

Gremlinzzz
October 24th, 2010, 05:24 PM
When I was about 6 or 7 I was bouncing and flipping on a bed.well in the middle of a flip I thought I saw something on the bed and went right through it.when I got off the bed. there was a woman with red hair in a night gown and was holding a old cigarette holder with cigarette and smoke.I stared and the she smile the smile was scary.so I ran down the stairs and was heading out the door.when my mom's who was talking to a neighbour grabbed me ask what was the matter. I could hardly get the words out but GHOST.needless to say but we threw the bed out and another neighbour say a woman who lived in the house fell asleep on a couch with a lite cigarette and burned to death.the bed I was flipping on was a couch that opened into a bed.this happen in day time.

Sporkman
October 24th, 2010, 05:30 PM
http://skepticblog.org/2010/03/22/hyperactive-agency-detection/

Gremlinzzz
October 24th, 2010, 05:59 PM
“hyperactive (or hypersensitive) agency detection device does that work on cameras
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9p10rrymylc

Random_Dude
October 24th, 2010, 06:00 PM
I've never experienced anything, neither do I believe in ghosts.
I had some friends who claim that they had some weird experiences while doing some stuff similar to Ouija (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ouija). I also have some other friends who say that they tried the same rituals to pull some pranks on the other people in the room. :lolflag:

Their was a time during my teenage years when everyone has trying these things. It must be some kind of phase.

Cheers :cool:

iponeverything
October 24th, 2010, 06:01 PM
I lived in a house that had foot steps, doors that would close on there own and the odd voice in your ear. It took a while to get used to.. Two months after we moved out the lady that bought the place called to ask if the house was haunted. I told her yes, but that the he was harmless. The guy that slowly died of cancer in the house, before we owned it, had a coke addict wife who would bring guys home while he was sick in bed.

I could see why after he died, he was a bit restless..

ukripper
October 24th, 2010, 08:55 PM
I'd hate to be a Trackwalker on LU, would scare the hell outa me- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=peRPZEn39zM

Gremlinzzz
October 25th, 2010, 12:52 AM
I'd hate to be a Trackwalker on LU, would scare the hell outa me- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=peRPZEn39zM

HAUNTED LONDON UNDERGROUND couldn't pay me enough to work there.

Sporkman
October 25th, 2010, 01:00 AM
Can a data center be haunted by a violently deceased server?

Hows about a deceased virtual server instance?

Gremlinzzz
October 25th, 2010, 01:05 AM
Can a data center be haunted by a violently deceased server?

Hows about a deceased virtual server instance?

Depends on how much data the dead server has contained and if there's a spark of energy left.
Einstein proved that energy can never die or disappear, but it can change forms

handy
October 25th, 2010, 01:19 AM
I've never experienced anything, neither do I believe in ghosts.
...

Their was a time during my teenage years when everyone has trying these things. It must be some kind of phase.

Because something is out of the range of one persons experience (perhaps "conscious" sensitivity in the case of this topic) doesn't mean that it is a load of make believe rubbish. That's not to say that some of it isn't exactly that though... ;) Immaturity certainly has a part to play in certain circumstances; look at the current fashionable love affair with the vampire! What a joke!

There are many scientists who are Newtonian to the point of being fundamentalist. They often despise Quantum physics; it goes against all they believe in, in so many ways. Yet they often must use certain portions of it, as even though no one can explain how or why, there are situations where Quantum physics just works & is a tool of necessity for the poor Newtonian, anti-Quantum scientists with the conundrums banging against the paradoxes in their heads. :lolflag:

I hope you catch my drift?

Though if you blinked at the wrong time we may have been in two different universes simultaneously.

handy
October 25th, 2010, 01:22 AM
Can a data center be haunted by a violently deceased server?

I'm sure that there would be some tech's haunted by such a death for some time...



Hows about a deceased virtual server instance?

I think a virtual server is a ghost to begin with.

I know as far as I'm concerned, if I'm going to do any serving I want to be doing the real thing! ;)

Sporkman
October 25th, 2010, 01:24 AM
Einstein proved that energy can never die or disappear, but it can change forms

The form it usually ends up in is heat, not ghostery.

Khakilang
October 25th, 2010, 05:34 AM
One morning I woke up and saw something on the mirror, a blurry figure with messy hair, sharp teeth and pale looking. At first it freak me out a second and all of a sudden I remember I forgot to put on my glasses, put my denture on and comb my hair and now everything goes back to normal again. What a night of booze can do to you.

juancarlospaco
October 25th, 2010, 06:13 AM
I see a real Ghost.

(a piece of Propietary Software made by Norton)

handy
October 25th, 2010, 07:50 AM
The form it usually ends up in is heat, not ghostery.

Personally, I think that "ghostery" is a malfunction caused by whatever incredibly strong attachment to the life situation that a person had, that does not let them carry on further in the process of dying.

Now I could go into a whole lot more detail about this, but in so doing I will be breaching the code of conduct, as some will consider that their personal religious beliefs have been somehow disrespected.

I highly recommend reading the Evans-Wentz, W. Y. (1927) interpretation of the Tibetan Book of the Dead: this includes a (brilliant in my opinion) “Psychological commentary” by Carl Jung. It is a truly magnificent work, (Jung's that is).

NightwishFan
October 25th, 2010, 01:17 PM
One morning I woke up and saw something on the mirror, a blurry figure with messy hair, sharp teeth and pale looking. At first it freak me out a second and all of a sudden I remember I forgot to put on my glasses, put my denture on and comb my hair and now everything goes back to normal again. What a night of booze can do to you.

Do you live to make me laugh?

Dixon Bainbridge
October 25th, 2010, 01:28 PM
Most of what you "see" in reality is actually assumed by your brain. Only 10% of the information your brain uses to see the world is made up of information gathered by your eyes, the rest is filled in by your brain. This is because you'd be overloaded with sensory data and you'd break down mentally. So its very easy to trick the brain, its how illusions work. You see something, your brain makes an assumption that something else will happen, but your eyes see something else.

Ghosts fall into the illusion category.

handy
October 25th, 2010, 01:39 PM
Most of what you "see" in reality is actually assumed by your brain. Only 10% of the information your brain uses to see the world is made up of information gathered by your eyes, the rest is filled in by your brain. This is because you'd be overloaded with sensory data and you'd break down mentally. So its very easy to trick the brain, its how illusions work. You see something, your brain makes an assumption that something else will happen, but your eyes see something else.

Ghosts fall into the illusion category.

What you just stated can be turned around to its opposite so easily, & a variety of other angles as well.

Why people have to shut the gate on things that they themselves have not experienced, or for whatever other reason can't accept as a possibility is just human nature, & ultimately just another human flaw.

There is no problem here, just the same old same old...

Sporkman
October 25th, 2010, 01:59 PM
What you just stated can be turned around to its opposite so easily, & a variety of other angles as well.

Why people have to shut the gate on things that they themselves have not experienced, or for whatever other reason can't accept as a possibility is just human nature, & ultimately just another human flaw.

There is no problem here, just the same old same old...

Can one see a ghost if one does not believe in them?

NightwishFan
October 25th, 2010, 02:30 PM
If a tree falls in an empty forest does it make a sound? As long as there is air around it then yes. Not in space I don't think.

samalex
October 25th, 2010, 02:54 PM
I loved that Large Marge video :) Been years since I saw that movie, and I remember that one scene as a kid freaking the heck out of me.

As for personal ghost stories, we used to live in a house as a kid that was most definitely haunted by the old couple who lived there -- both died in the house of natural causes a year or so apart. I was 12 when we moved out, but I remember LOTS of crazy things happening on top of my parents telling me things they saw when I was much older. For example after my brother was born my dad said several times he'd wake-up to find the old lady standing near the bassinet staring down at the baby. At first he said he freaked out, but he knew the old couple who lived there and recognized the old woman so he knew they weren't there to hurt us.

The biggest thing I remember was waking up at night to find the bedroom window open, which happened LOTS of times. Come to find out the old couple one was hot natured and one was cold natured and they'd fight over the windows being open and closed. Crazy! My dad ended-up putting wooden dowels in the windows to keep them closed and problem solved.

With kids of my own now I don't think I could live in a haunted house, but looking back it wasn't too bad knowing the old couple didn't mean any harm.

Since then I've had a huge fascination with ghosts and I've made it a point to stay in some of the more haunted hotels around here - Myrtles Plantation (http://www.myrtlesplantation.com/) in Louisiana, Menger Hotel (http://mengerhotel.com/) in San Antonio, and a few other smaller ones, but to date I've not seen anything that tops what we saw when I was a kid.

For people who say they don't believe, you've just never been in a situation to see a ghost -- but trust me they do exist.

Sam

Sporkman
October 25th, 2010, 03:07 PM
As for personal ghost stories, we used to live in a house as a kid that was most definitely haunted by the old couple who lived there -- both died in the house of natural causes a year or so apart. I was 12 when we moved out, but I remember LOTS of crazy things happening on top of my parents telling me things they saw when I was much older. For example after my brother was born my dad said several times he'd wake-up to find the old lady standing near the bassinet staring down at the baby. At first he said he freaked out, but he knew the old couple who lived there and recognized the old woman so he knew they weren't there to hurt us.

The biggest thing I remember was waking up at night to find the bedroom window open, which happened LOTS of times. Come to find out the old couple one was hot natured and one was cold natured and they'd fight over the windows being open and closed. Crazy! My dad ended-up putting wooden dowels in the windows to keep them closed and problem solved.


It is not surprising that those episodes happened at the transitions to & from sleep. It's also not surprising that you & your dad had already had previous information about the people being enacted.

NightwishFan
October 25th, 2010, 03:09 PM
I refuse to believe mere humans have the power to become ghosts.

samalex
October 25th, 2010, 03:18 PM
It is not surprising that those episodes happened at the transitions to & from sleep. It's also not surprising that you & your dad had already had previous information about the people being enacted.

I didn't know anything about the people who lived in the house until years later, my folks made it a point not to tell us what they saw until after we were much older as to not freak us out.

My uncle bought the house from the old people's kids and fixed it up as a rent house but my folks bought it instead. There are many more encounters we and others had in the house, for example when my uncle was working on the house to fix it up before we bought it, on multiple occasions he'd hear what sounded like boots walking around in the house, but he'd crawl out to find it was still locked-up and no one inside. Even after we moved in it was a common occurrence to hear what sounded like heavy boots walking through the house (none of use wore boots) at various times of the day or night, but no one was ever there. That happened until the week we moved out. My parents chalked it up to an old house, but again years later they said they had no clue what it was, they just told us whatever so we'd not freak out since they had enough encounters (many they still haven't shared with us) to know something crazy was going on -- but having just bought the house they couldn't easily get out of it. After we moved my dad rented it out but couldn't keep people in it so he sold it.

I'm a skeptic who truly has to see it to believe it, and honestly I saw and heard enough from that house to truly believe there was something paranormal happening.



I refuse to believe mere humans have the power to become ghosts.


I don't follow you on this one ...

NightwishFan
October 25th, 2010, 03:23 PM
Are things paranormal true in that manner? Perhaps. There is an explanation, perhaps one that most may consider ludicrous. It however is not the romanticized notion that we are unable to rest. That is all I meant. That is why I do not like ghost stories about 'an old man died here etc'.

Dixon Bainbridge
October 25th, 2010, 03:33 PM
What you just stated can be turned around to its opposite so easily, & a variety of other angles as well.

Yeah?




Why people have to shut the gate on things that they themselves have not experienced, or for whatever other reason can't accept as a possibility is just human nature, & ultimately just another human flaw.

Similarly, why do so many peope believe in something they have never experienced?

I don't believe in God or ghosts or faeries because I've never experienced them. And I would be an idiot to do otherwise. Similarly, those that say they have experienced them may not have actually experienced anything, other than a waking dream or a brain induced illusion. Until it can be proved empirically through a scientific, peer reviewed process that ghosts exists, they don't, no matter what your personal take on it is.



There is no problem here, just the same old same old...

Works both ways.

samalex
October 25th, 2010, 03:36 PM
Are things paranormal true in that manner? Perhaps. There is an explanation, perhaps one that most may consider ludicrous. It however is not the romanticized notion that we are unable to rest. That is all I meant. That is why I do not like ghost stories about 'an old man died here etc'.

I don't think it's the fact that someone died in the house, but rather they LIVED in the house raising kids and sharing their lives together until their final moments. I have no idea how long they lived in the house, but it's my impression it was for decades. I don't think spirits hang around the place where they expired but rather I believe their energy returns to the place they were most happy or maybe where the most impact was made in their life. You mentioned not romanticizing the notion that we are unable to rest, but why is 'resting' the big deal? The human spirit loves to be in motion and be active, so if someone is active in life why not afterwords? Maybe this is their way of 'living' or continuing to exist.

I think there's LOTS of unknowns in this area, but I think it's on a plain we just don't have access to directly study. There are LOTS Of theories on what the afterlife is or isn't, but I think for people to say there is no afterlife (or none outside of some secular religious views) is being too narrow minded.

Dixon Bainbridge
October 25th, 2010, 04:33 PM
I think there's LOTS of unknowns in this area, but I think it's on a plain we just don't have access to directly study. There are LOTS Of theories on what the afterlife is or isn't, but I think for people to say there is no afterlife (or none outside of some secular religious views) is being too narrow minded.

It's not narrowminded to disregard something that hasn't been proved to exist. You'll find that people that believe in conjecture, the supernatural and religion are the ones with narrow minds. A scientific mind is a questioning mind. Theory isn't fact, its theory, therefore conjecture, until proven as fact. Ghosts are a theory. Its not narrowminded to disregard that, as its only a theory. Its narrowminded to disregard fact.

Most believers struggle with this.

Dawei87
October 25th, 2010, 04:44 PM
Im still not exactly sure what i believe in, but ive talked to a ghost before myself. I stayed at a friends grandparent's house and we both stayed up pretty late, but i was the last one awake. When I went to the room I was told to sleep in, there was a kid sitting in a chair in the room. I stopped and said I didn't realize anyone else was in the room and apologized for barging in on him, and then went downstairs to sleep on the couch. The next morning my friend woke me up and asked why I was sleeping on the couch and when I told him about the other person in the room he said there was no one else in the house. I was later told by him and his other family that there is a ghost there of a 16 year old boy who fought in the civil war (I live in Tennessee) who died on the property, and that a few other people have seen and talked to him before. Although they don't see him often, they said that he stays upstairs primarily in the spare bedroom, but will sometimes open/close doors and turn on/off lights upstairs. Like I said though, even though I talked to a ghost, and couldn't explain what I experienced any other way, I still am not sure I believe in it all for real. I'm a taoist and I just don't know how to fit a belief in ghost into the rest of my beliefs just yet. This night took place over the summer of 05.

Sporkman
October 25th, 2010, 05:07 PM
Next time anybody reading this interacts with a ghost, ask it if it's really you, i.e. if the experience is being created by your own imagination. Seriously- you might be surprised by the results.

Whenever I read stories like this, I see people that are not very skilled at interacting with their own brain. I've seen & heard all kinds of stuff, but when I get to the bottom of it, it becomes clear that it was a lucid waking event or some other construction. You can indeed ask questions of your subconscious & it will answer.

Dawei87
October 25th, 2010, 05:24 PM
Next time anybody reading this interacts with a ghost, ask it if it's really you, i.e. if the experience is being created by your own imagination. Seriously- you might be surprised by the results.

Whenever I read stories like this, I see people that are not very skilled at interacting with their own brain. I've seen & heard all kinds of stuff, but when I get to the bottom of it, it becomes clear that it was a lucid waking event or some other construction. You can indeed ask questions of your subconscious & it will answer.

out of curiosity, do you have any examples of this?

Sporkman
October 25th, 2010, 05:36 PM
out of curiosity, do you have any examples of this?

You mean in my own experience? Sure, there's been plenty of times I've been interacting with people in person, or on the phone, then things start to change or get weird, and I start asking questions of the other person, or attempt to influence the environment through my will. It then turns out that I appear, awake & in bed, with nobody or nothing unexpected around me.

Usually when I ask the other individual if they're really me, they either say "yes" or they disappear, and a change in phase of wakefulness occurs.

Sometimes certain environmental factors will encourage a more lively & lucid imagination - for example, in our last house, sometimes there be some sort of low-frequency sound somewhere (sort of like a distant rumbling truck, difficult to hear), whereby my dreams would become very active with paranormal-type activity - stuff flying around, vortices above my head, etc. In these cases you try very hard to will your way out of it, and you appear at the other side of wakefulness. I think that sort of thing is related to this:

http://science.howstuffworks.com/science-vs-myth/afterlife/ghost3.htm

(down by "Low-frequency Sound Waves").

handy
October 25th, 2010, 05:58 PM
Can one see a ghost if one does not believe in them?

I saw both a ghost & later had the poltergeist experience. Neither of which I believed in or had thought much about at all before hand.

So, yes. Things do happen to us that we don't believe are possible, at least at the time. From my experience anyway.

handy
October 25th, 2010, 06:07 PM
I refuse to believe mere humans have the power to become ghosts.

Well just what do you think mere humans are?

Where do they start, & where do they stop?

Is there the possibility of multiple dimensions of consciousness?

Do some people have access to some of these dimensions that others do as yet not?

If for example the possibility that consciousness is all that really exists; do you think that humans have got a handle on all of the ways that consciousness can manifest?

Or perhaps consumerism is really the be all & end all of consciousness & humanity has struck gold when it discovered this core quality of creation.

Gremlinzzz
October 25th, 2010, 06:13 PM
I remembered this on the news.
Haunted Toys R Us in Sunnyvale, California
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jN5vEX3sYGU

NightwishFan
October 25th, 2010, 06:14 PM
Thinking deep like that only gives me a headache. It is something that will not be answered in our lifetimes. At least not enough to convince anyone. I think I will stick my head in the sand on this one.

handy
October 25th, 2010, 07:37 PM
Thinking deep like that only gives me a headache. It is something that will not be answered in our lifetimes. At least not enough to convince anyone. I think I will stick my head in the sand on this one.

Don't give anyone else credit for answering the big questions, their answers may very well be different than yours; that is if you go looking for your answers anyway.

Some people find these questions are a great way to spend some time once you get bored with consumerism.

NightwishFan
October 25th, 2010, 07:42 PM
I think they are a fools lure. ;)

oldos2er
October 25th, 2010, 07:48 PM
I have to admit I've been fascinated by this subject all my life. I greatly enjoy fictional ghost stories (e.g. those of M. R. James, etc.), and the ones that claim to be non-fiction arouse my interest as well. I consider tv shows like Ghost Adventures and Ghost Hunters and Most Haunted to be fiction.

I suppose I'm a skeptic, but I don't think I'm particularly close-minded at that (as the old saying goes, I have an open mind, but not so open that my brains are falling out). I do think that "extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence," and I can't say I've come across any extraordinary evidence yet. Carrying around an EMF detector that spikes occasionally just isn't evidence. The stone tape theory seems almost plausible, and not beyond the (current) laws of physics; time will tell. But it can only account for the type of phenomena that are repetitious and non-interactive, i.e. the gray lady who's seen walking the hallway every night at midnight and never deviates from her "routine."

I've never personally had what I would consider a paranormal experience. I have experienced hypnogogic imagery and other weird subjective feelings, but I never saw the need to label them as ghosts or anything supernatural. I agree with the statement "Whenever I read stories like this, I see people that are not very skilled at interacting with their own brain." Although if there truly are 11 dimensions as some scientists postulate, who knows in what ways they may interact, or living beings in these various dimensions may interact with each other? I'm not a scientist, so maybe such interaction isn't even possible; I don't know. But I find it compelling to think about.

Gremlinzzz
October 25th, 2010, 08:04 PM
A Toys 'R Us located in Sunnyvale, California was the scene of inexplicable events such as items falling off shelves, strange feelings by employees, cold spots and other strange paranormal happenings. The story made it's way to a television show called "That's Incredible" hosted by Fran Tarkenton, Kathy Lee Crosby and John Davidson. They contacted a local California psychic, Sylvia Brown and professional photographers to document a s�ance in the store. Using both infrared and high-speed film, a photographer from Alpha Labs took simultaneous pictures of the empty isle where Brown was attempting to contact the presence of Johnny Johnston, a young boy in love with a local girl. He bled to death after a farm accident and it's thought that his ghost now haunts the store's location. One infrared shot taken clearly shows a young man leaning against a counter with his hands in his pockets. It did not show up on the high-speed film taken at precisely the same instant! http://ubuntuforums.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=173464&stc=1&d=1288033462

Sporkman
October 25th, 2010, 11:40 PM
BTW, I just remembered a funny bit in The Simpsons, which pretty muchs sums up my view on this issue.

Scene: Lisa encounters a Ghost...
----------------------------------

Ghost: I am the Ghost of Cesar Chavez.

Lisa: But why do you look like Cesar Romero?

Ghost: Because you don't know what Cesar Chavez looks like.

Khakilang
October 26th, 2010, 06:24 AM
Do you live to make me laugh?

I am afraid so. Just don't die laughing. I don't want you to pop out of monitor and start laughing out loud. Aaaarrrggghhhhh!!!!

Anyway I have a couple encounter myself. One, I was lying on my bed feeling tired and drowsy I notice a white mist floating across the living room. When I told my friend about it. They say it is a ghost for sure.

Second was when I stay in this old hotel which was build in the 40s. While sleeping on my side I felt someone breathing behind me and when I turn around no one was there. It had me turning and twisting all night.

There is some legendary ghost story in South East Asia. Pontianak (Lady ghost that prey on pregnant women) Orang minyak (Oily man that goes around molesting and raping women. Difficult to catch as the whole body was cover in oil) and Toyol (Child ghost very mischievious). And if you ask me whether I believe in ghost? The answer is yes. Just because you can't see them doesn't mean they doesn't exist. Sometime I had goosebump all of a sudden. That means they are around somewhere.

handy
October 26th, 2010, 07:34 AM
I think they are a fools lure. ;)

What isn't?

handy
October 26th, 2010, 07:43 AM
A great book to read, which was written by a university employed physicist with quite a few other impressive credentials, is called "The Taboo of Subjectivity - Toward a New Science of Consciousness", by B. Alan Wallace.

He postulates a new method for science. A method that incorporates an elaborate study of consciousness. Something that is still shunned by orthodox science.

Naturally my words don't do the book justice. This book is held in very high regard by highly respected intellectuals; it is seen as a breakthrough in scientific thought.

I bought my copy 2nd hand at Amazon.

john77eipe
October 26th, 2010, 08:33 AM
handy,

How do you define ghost? Are the ghosts of every single person died on this earth still roaming here..?

Grenage
October 26th, 2010, 08:52 AM
I find the concept of an afterlife hubristic to the point of ridicule. If a ghost started juggling kitchen utensils around my kitchen, or sat next to me for a chat, I'd just assume I was having a mental break-down.

Not that rational discussion will ever convince either camp; as with religion, you either believe or you don't.

handy
October 26th, 2010, 08:59 AM
handy,

How do you define ghost? Are the ghosts of every single person died on this earth still roaming here..?

My (very limited) understanding, is that when someone who dies gets trapped (for whatever reason) & hangs around for sometime as a ghost. It is due to an extremely strong attachment caused by whatever extreme set of circumstances.

I have no proof of what I'm saying, it just makes logical sense when put in perspective with some other things that I have experienced. I am likely wrong! :)

I can't really go any further into this subject, as I'll be breaking the code of conduct & will very likely cause the death of a fun thread.

Spiritual, philosophical & religious beliefs & (far more important as far as I'm concerned) experiences are of the utmost personal/subjective nature.

Don't believe it or have faith in it because someone else told you that you should.

Investigate; study & if it is for you, find a path of practice which expands your consciousness; which of course expands your subjective experience re. life, the universe & everything. :D

Or of course you could just drink beer, watch TV & make babies. ;)

handy
October 26th, 2010, 09:12 AM
I find the concept of an afterlife hubristic to the point of ridicule. If a ghost started juggling kitchen utensils around my kitchen, or sat next to me for a chat, I'd just assume I was having a mental break-down.

Not that rational discussion will ever convince either camp; as with religion, you either believe or you don't.

Having seen a ghost (beyond a shadow of a doubt) & having experienced what must be called a poltergeist, all I can say to you is leave your mind open on the subject. There is no need to take a black or white stance here.

If you have the experience, then you have it, if you don't, then you don't. Because I haven't experienced something, that doesn't mean that anyone who says they have is telling me a fabricated story for their own amusement. (Of course that does happen. :))

& re. your point on religion; there are very few (particularly in the Abrahamic religions) who have anything else but belief & faith. Experience doesn't enter into it with such religions.

Religions that have practices of consciousness expansion are another kettle of fish altogether, as they rely on experience, & are all about the expansion of consciousness/experience.

Again, I'm sailing too close to the wind here as far as the CoC is concerned. So I'll shut up.

Grenage
October 26th, 2010, 09:24 AM
Having seen a ghost (beyond a shadow of a doubt) & having experienced what must be called a poltergeist, all I can say to you is leave your mind open on the subject. There is no need to take a black or white stance here.

If you have the experience, then you have it, if you don't, then you don't. Because I haven't experienced something, that doesn't mean that anyone who says they have is telling me a fabricated story for their own amusement. (Of course that does happen. :))

& re. your point on religion; there are very few (particularly in the Abrahamic religions) who have anything else but belief & faith. Experience doesn't enter into it with such religions.

Religions that have practices of consciousness expansion are another kettle of fish altogether, as they rely on experience, & are all about the expansion of consciousness/experience.

Again, I'm sailing too close to the wind here as far as the CoC is concerned. So I'll shut up.

I'd like to think that I have an open mind, but it would take some serious evidence to convince me of an afterlife. While we're not discussing religion here, it is a good reference point. I've enjoyed many debates on these topics, and have yet to convince anyone or be convinced.

john77eipe
October 26th, 2010, 09:46 AM
handy,

I would take the second choice ;).

Btw. My personal belief: people who had experiences are deluded by their mind. Anyone could experience (symptoms of) schizophrenia and still not be schizophrenic. It's more to do with mind than with our brain.


So the next question would be: How do you define mind? ;)

handy
October 26th, 2010, 10:32 AM
I'd like to think that I have an open mind, but it would take some serious evidence to convince me of an afterlife. While we're not discussing religion here, it is a good reference point. I've enjoyed many debates on these topics, and have yet to convince anyone or be convinced.

The subject is usually prone to stirring up defensive/aggressive emotions from people who feel that when their beliefs are questioned/criticised, that they themselves are under personal attack. In reality that is not usually the case.

Such responses basically killed the old Backyard.

handy
October 26th, 2010, 10:35 AM
handy,

I would take the second choice ;).

Btw. My personal belief: people who had experiences are deluded by their mind. Anyone could experience (symptoms of) schizophrenia and still not be schizophrenic. It's more to do with mind than with our brain.


So the next question would be: How do you define mind? ;)

I'm not going to waste my time with this one. Have a nice day. :)

Grenage
October 26th, 2010, 10:50 AM
The subject is usually prone to stirring up defensive/aggressive emotions from people who feel that when their beliefs are questioned/criticised, that they themselves are under personal attack. In reality that is not usually the case.

Such responses basically killed the old Backyard.

Well, at least we're grown up enough not to try and convince each other - and end up getting the thread locked. ;)

handy
October 26th, 2010, 11:02 AM
Well, at least we're grown up enough not to try and convince each other - and end up getting the thread locked. ;)

Intelligent debates, that are above personal insecurities on such subjects could be very stimulating, educational & good fun.

I miss the Backyard for that reason. It was a great place to bring in unusual twists on those well worn topics, which was something that I used to enjoy immensely. :)

Gremlinzzz
October 26th, 2010, 01:36 PM
I do believe in Ghost because of what I experienced as a child.At six years old why would I see a ghost as a sexy redhead women with a old fashion cigarette holder?I stared at her for while till she smiled .that smile scared me.you would think a child would see a ghost like Casper you know a sheet or something not a foxy woman.Well I for one do believe in GHOST.

Sporkman
October 26th, 2010, 01:54 PM
At six years old why would I see a ghost as a sexy redhead women with a old fashion cigarette holder?

...because you fell asleep watching cartoons?

Gremlinzzz
October 26th, 2010, 01:54 PM
I do believe in Ghost because of what I experienced as a child.At six years old why would I see a ghost as a sexy redhead women with a old fashion cigarette holder?I stared at her for while till she smiled .that smile scared me.you would think a child would see a ghost like Casper you know a sheet or something not a foxy woman.Well I for one do believe in GHOST.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZSmh0wvYJEY

Gremlinzzz
October 26th, 2010, 02:06 PM
...because you fell asleep watching cartoons?

When I was about 6 or 7 I was bouncing and flipping on a bed.well in the middle of a flip I thought I saw something on the bed and went right through it.when I got off the bed. there was a woman with red hair in a night gown and was holding a old cigarette holder with cigarette and smoke.I stared and the she smile the smile was scary.so I ran down the stairs and was heading out the door.when my mom's who was talking to a neighbour grabbed me ask what was the matter. I could hardly get the words out but GHOST.needless to say but we threw the bed out and another neighbour say a woman who lived in the house fell asleep on a couch with a lite cigarette and burned to death.the bed I was flipping on was a couch that opened into a bed.this happen in day time.
The Haunted Forest
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZSmh0wvYJEY

Random_Dude
October 27th, 2010, 10:53 AM
At six years old why would I see a ghost as a sexy redhead women with a old fashion cigarette holder?

Jessica Rabbit?

handy
October 27th, 2010, 10:58 AM
Jessica Rabbit?

:lolflag:

Very good, I must work on that one tonight re. lucid dreaming... ;)

oobuntoo
October 27th, 2010, 02:54 PM
Ghosts - almost as believable as "flying saucers" and Bigfoot!

If people can believe in the existence of God and Devil, they might as well believe in the existence of ghosts. As a matter of fact, more people claim to have seen ghosts than they have seen God and Devil combined. Almost everyone knows at least one ghost story, but most people don't have story of God/Devil-encounter to tell, yet people frown upon others who claim to have seen ghost(s) but are OK with people who claim to have experienced the presence of God or Devil. The point is, people are bias even when it comes to believing in imaginary beings.

kaldor
October 27th, 2010, 03:01 PM
If people can believe in the existence of God and Devil, they might as well believe in the existence of ghosts. As a matter of fact, more people claim to have seen ghosts than they have seen God and Devil combined. Almost everyone knows at least one ghost story, but most people don't have story of God/Devil-encounter to tell, yet people frown upon others who claim to have seen ghost(s) but are OK with people who claim to have experienced the presence of God or Devil. The point is, people are bias even when it comes to believing in imaginary beings.

I still don't get what's so unbelievable about bigfoot. Unidentified near-extinct ape, in my opinion.

oobuntoo
October 27th, 2010, 03:08 PM
I still don't get what's so unbelievable about bigfoot. Unidentified near-extinct ape, in my opinion.

...and flying saucers, for that matter. At least there are video footages that have yet to be disproved.

Grenage
October 27th, 2010, 03:09 PM
I still don't get what's so unbelievable about bigfoot. Unidentified near-extinct ape, in my opinion.

Nothing that's more unbelievable than the faeries in my attic. There's no photographs or credible witnesses, but it's possible.

handy
October 27th, 2010, 03:25 PM
If people can believe in the existence of God and Devil, they might as well believe in the existence of ghosts. As a matter of fact, more people claim to have seen ghosts than they have seen God and Devil combined. Almost everyone knows at least one ghost story, but most people don't have story of God/Devil-encounter to tell, yet people frown upon others who claim to have seen ghost(s) but are OK with people who claim to have experienced the presence of God or Devil. The point is, people are bias even when it comes to believing in imaginary beings.

Bringing other people's God's & Devils into the argument is fruitless imho. As in the end people's religious beliefs have got absolutely nothing to do with this topic.

The crux of the biscuit (as Frank Zappa said) is the difference between what people believe, & what they have experienced.

Is that so hard to understand?

In reality, belief & faith have got absolutely NOTHING to do with the discussion that this thread is based on.

Though many of this threads participants are operating as though belief & faith do matter here.

What I have, or you have, or someone else has experienced; that is foreign to another's experience, is nothing more than just that. It is just another unknown for whoever to deal with as they may.

Anyway, this stuff goes on & on forever, because people can't accept the fact that someone else can or has experienced something that is thus far, beyond their own experience. Due to that they argue that it doesn't really exist?

Which is a pretty silly point of view as far as I'm concerned.

So, all in all, so what, & who cares? :confused:

Gremlinzzz
October 27th, 2010, 04:06 PM
My stories true my regret is that no one else was there to witness it.
But I'm not sure about Large Marge.
The Terrifying Tale Of Large Marge !!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RryZV8NK9-Q

Sporkman
October 27th, 2010, 04:27 PM
Anyway, this stuff goes on & on forever, because people can't accept the fact that someone else can or has experienced something that is thus far, beyond their own experience. Due to that they argue that it doesn't really exist?

Nobody is arguing that your hallucination did not exist.

Blackra1n
October 27th, 2010, 05:09 PM
I have never seen a ghost. :(

handy
October 27th, 2010, 05:20 PM
Nobody is arguing that your hallucination did not exist.

Yeh, yeh, so now we are into definitions...

& I've known for ages that you don't give much of a shite; like myself to a certain degree about the content of the posts in these forums.

You obviously also have the time available to come here looking for stimulation. (Which is becoming increasingly more difficult to find here as time goes by unfortunately. :( That's as I find it anyway.)

Anyway, all that I wrote above (as is everything else) is considered to be hallucination by a variety of ancient Eastern philosophies. :)

So you can travel wherever you like with your thoughts on that one.

BUT, don't ever try to define the quality of my reality, because you have not got a clue. :)

Sporkman
October 27th, 2010, 05:44 PM
BUT, don't ever try to define the quality of my reality, because you have not got a clue. :)

I'm sure it is of very high quality. I am addressing physical reality however. :)

handy
October 27th, 2010, 06:19 PM
I'm sure it is of very high quality. I am addressing physical reality however. :)

Whatever.

Let's continue to amuse ourselves?

I'm always grateful for your input here.

I always appreciate the variety of topics that you bring here for us to peruse.

Most of which I would never be aware of otherwise. :)

Great stuff. :D