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Slug71
October 18th, 2010, 06:17 PM
This is hardly surprising but if it happens, i hope it comes back to bite them real good.

I heard on the radio the other day that Apple has come up with something that can prevent sexting and are trying to Patent it. This just pisses me off! Youd think that they would share something like this out of good faith with the other mobile guys to help and be a solution to a growing problem of which many times ends in tragedy or at the very least has negative consequences.

So unless you have an Apple phone you wouldnt be able to have this feature.?
Way to be part of the problem and not solution. :mad:

Nice going Apple.

Now i will really never ever buy or recommend an Apple product to anyone!

Earl_Maroon
October 18th, 2010, 06:25 PM
Why are Apple trying to prevent sexting? Surely people should be allowed to decide for themselves whether or not to sext...

mainerror
October 18th, 2010, 06:26 PM
Now i will really never ever buy or recommend an Apple product to anyone!

:shock: You did?

Ctrl-Alt-F1
October 18th, 2010, 06:34 PM
Why are Apple trying to prevent sexting? Surely people should be allowed to decide for themselves whether or not to sext...

Typically it would be used as a parental control.

pwnst*r
October 18th, 2010, 06:38 PM
^That.

gnomeuser
October 18th, 2010, 06:40 PM
Countdown till Steve Jobs proudly announces "iPerv" the one click sexting app exclusively for iPhone and iPad.. only 9.99$

TNT1
October 18th, 2010, 06:44 PM
Typically it would be used as a parental control.

My parental control involves the kids not having cell phones. Simple really. I also control what they watch on tv and listen to, what books they get out of the library, and so on. I don't expect technology to take the place of raising kids with proper values, in a proper, ethical and moral way.

TBABill
October 18th, 2010, 06:45 PM
Children are brilliantly creative and can overcome tremendous obstacles when faced with a challenge. To try to prevent sexting could, for example, end up with the creation of an entirely new language or abbreviation type structure that will circumvent the settings of the controls anyway. I do not condone the behavior in any way, but some things just become hurdles instead of preventions. Kids master things quickly and if someone put controls in place to limit their communications via cell phone I would expect the timeline would be short until people figured out how to work around the controls.

I hate to think my own, or anyone else's, kids could be engaging in it, but freedom of speech is better managed when it remains free. Censorship creates obstacles but seldom does it create solutions.

And surely we know what happened during prohibition...people still drank. Parents need to be parents and control what their children do. Electronics cannot replace proper parenting.

TNT1
October 18th, 2010, 06:49 PM
. Parents need to be parents and control what their children do. Electronics cannot replace proper parenting.

There, that's what I meant to say...

KiwiNZ
October 18th, 2010, 06:49 PM
ABS Brakes have patents as do Air bags and Traction control so you wouldn't recommend those,

Just because they apply for and maybe granted a patent does not necessarily mean they will prevent other from using their parental control design.

TNT1
October 18th, 2010, 06:52 PM
ABS Brakes have patents as do Air bags and Traction control so you wouldn't recommend those,



Of course there's a very valid argument that abs/traction control/SRS-airbags/etc make people worse drivers, but that's probably irrelevant... Or maybe not...

LowSky
October 18th, 2010, 06:52 PM
So how exactly will this work. Different cultures have different definitions of outrageous behavior. what is considered taboo in one place is family fun in another. For a product that is sold globally I can't see the merit in forcing people to act a certain way.

Ctrl-Alt-F1
October 18th, 2010, 06:54 PM
So how exactly will this work. Different cultures have different definitions of outrageous behavior. what is considered taboo in one place is family fun in another. For a product that is sold globally I can't see the merit in forcing people to act a certain way.

Again, it would be a parental control. It's not necessarily on by default, and if it was on, it could be switched off. It's not forcing anyone to do anything.

Plus, if they cared, I'm sure they could apply it only to phones sold in a certain region.

fatality_uk
October 18th, 2010, 06:55 PM
Countdown till Steve Jobs proudly announces "iPerv" the one click sexting app exclusively for iPhone and iPad.. only 9.99$

lol

LowSky
October 18th, 2010, 06:56 PM
ABS Brakes have patents as do Air bags and Traction control so you wouldn't recommend those,

Just because they apply for and maybe granted a patent does not necessarily mean they will prevent other from using their parental control design.

The people who invented ABS and Airbags made a fortune off their patents. Especially when people and governments started to demand them in all cars. Patents helped someone make more money than they might have dreamed.


Of course there's a very valid argument that abs/traction control/SRS-airbags/etc make people worse drivers, but that's probably irrelevant... Or maybe not...

They may or may not be any better or worse, but the statistics show less people dying so its seen as win-win

endotherm
October 18th, 2010, 07:01 PM
ABS Brakes have patents as do Air bags and Traction control so you wouldn't recommend those,

Just because they apply for and maybe granted a patent does not necessarily mean they will prevent other from using their parental control design.

I believe there are numerous patents for different approaches to anti-locking brakes. with a hardware patent, you can just invent a new way to do the same thing. with a software patent however, implementation is not considered, just the claims. with this patent granted, no other inventor could attempt to find another way to implement this kind of parental control (one that uses a custodian-customizable keyword list, per the patent documentation).

but I agree, the op is missing that this is not a novel or original thing, and thus the idea's contribution to society is basically nil. a patent for political censorship would be almost identical. just a difference in who the custodian is.

KiwiNZ
October 18th, 2010, 07:03 PM
The people who invented ABS and Airbags made a fortune off their patents. Especially when people and governments started to demand them in all cars. Patents helped someone make more money than they might have dreamed.



They may or may not be any better or worse, but the statistics show less people dying so its seen as win-win


Thats exactly my my point those devices save lives , the inventors made money , improved their products and saved more lives . Hmmmmm seems good to me. A series of patents that had a win win

kio_http
October 18th, 2010, 07:09 PM
Thats exactly my my point those devices save lives , the inventors made money , improved their products and saved more lives . Hmmmmm seems good to me. A series of patents that had a win win

+1

While OSS exists, we can't expect every thing like that. Just think on the economical and social impact if anyone could walk in a shop and chose anything without paying etc

Oxwivi
October 18th, 2010, 07:28 PM
ABS Brakes have patents as do Air bags and Traction control so you wouldn't recommend those,

Just because they apply for and maybe granted a patent does not necessarily mean they will prevent other from using their parental control design.
I don't think it'd be the same case with softwares.

mkendall
October 18th, 2010, 08:17 PM
I heard on the radio the other day that Apple has come up with something that can prevent sexting and are trying to Patent it.

Giving a child a phone without a camera and getting a plan without text messaging is patentable? Holy Cripes! The patent system is broken.

KiwiNZ
October 18th, 2010, 08:25 PM
Giving a child a phone without a camera and getting a plan without text messaging is patentable? Holy Cripes! The patent system is broken.

You might want to read what it is about before you post ;)


"The invention, in various embodiments, addresses deficiencies in existing attempts at solutions by providing systems, methods and devices that enable an administrator to control the text-based communications of a user of a text-based communications device through an administrative mode of an intelligent text-based communication control unit or application. The text-based communication control application filters incoming and/or outgoing text-based communications based on administrator-defined criteria."

In simple terms "a filter"

Spice Weasel
October 18th, 2010, 08:29 PM
Sigh. If we use censorship on our children and invade their privacy, what are they going to think is okay when they are older? (http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1599766)

KiwiNZ
October 18th, 2010, 08:34 PM
Its called protection , would you allow them to be exposed to porn,bullying ? :rolleyes:](*,)

Dixon Bainbridge
October 18th, 2010, 08:43 PM
Typically it would be used as a parental control.

Pointless.

endotherm
October 18th, 2010, 08:43 PM
Its called protection , would you allow them to be exposed to porn,bullying ? :rolleyes:](*,)

I hate to sound crass, but yes, to the extent that sex and bullies are part of real life. we can't make either go away just by "forgetting" to teach our children about them. One of a childs most important jobs is to socialize (as in socialization), and as such they need to be able to deal with these concepts. Obviously extremes in any case are bad for humans (children included) but so is extreme protection.

"Mother did it need to be so high?" --Mother (http://www.lyricsfreak.com/p/pink+floyd/mother_20108791.html) by Pink Floyd

KiwiNZ
October 18th, 2010, 08:57 PM
Teach and protect and that is from a parent of a son that was bullied badly . If you don't do both the outcome can be tragically irreversible. And the freedom of speech garbage has nothing to do with it.

And those who say this measure is pointless have no idea , because any step that can protect a child from these mindless text bullies or txt perverts is a step worth taking.

mkendall
October 18th, 2010, 09:07 PM
I heard on the radio the other day that Apple has come up with something that can prevent sexting and are trying to Patent it.


Giving a child a phone without a camera and getting a plan without text messaging is patentable? Holy Cripes! The patent system is broken.


You might want to read what it is about before you post ;)


"The invention, in various embodiments, addresses deficiencies in existing attempts at solutions by providing systems, methods and devices that enable an administrator to control the text-based communications of a user of a text-based communications device through an administrative mode of an intelligent text-based communication control unit or application. The text-based communication control application filters incoming and/or outgoing text-based communications based on administrator-defined criteria."

In simple terms "a filter"

wow. Poe's Law in action.

KiwiNZ
October 18th, 2010, 09:31 PM
wow. Poe's Law in action.

Trying to claim it that in hindsight .... sorry no

alexfish
October 18th, 2010, 09:32 PM
You might want to read what it is about before you post ;)


"The invention, in various embodiments, addresses deficiencies in existing attempts at solutions by providing systems, methods and devices that enable an administrator to control the text-based communications of a user of a text-based communications device through an administrative mode of an intelligent text-based communication control unit or application. The text-based communication control application filters incoming and/or outgoing text-based communications based on administrator-defined criteria."

In simple terms "a filter"

Simply put Censorship

how can you patent that

whiskeylover
October 18th, 2010, 09:35 PM
Simply put Censorship

how can you patent that

Its Apple. They can patent you, your family and your dog if they want.

Half-Left
October 18th, 2010, 09:54 PM
It's simple guys. Don't support Apple or buy any of their products if you don't like their business practices, licences or their patent trolling.

I personally don't endorse any of their products and have never gave money to Apple for those reasons. It's the best way to hit back.

Jaecyn42
October 18th, 2010, 09:56 PM
You might want to read what it is about before you post ;)

(snip)

In simple terms "a filter"

I have misgivings about the effectiveness of text filters, in general.

For the four years I attended high school, all of the Sonnets of William Shakespeare were blocked by the school's firewall.

Why you ask? Because the titles of his Sonnets were written in Roman Numerals; making Sonnet #30 (XXX) and others trigger an automatic red flag, as far as the Firewall was concerned.

The school's Admin never did address that slight flaw, so far as I know.

Point being, I can easily see such a filter causing equally annoying, unintended functionality.

Dr. C
October 19th, 2010, 02:46 AM
Just our of curiosity. Is there a link to actual patent that Apple has obtained or applied for?

KiwiNZ
October 19th, 2010, 02:54 AM
Just our of curiosity. Is there a link to actual patent that Apple has obtained or applied for?


http://patft.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?Sect1=PTO1&Sect2=HITOFF&d=PALL&p=1&u=/netahtml/PTO/srchnum.htm&r=1&f=G&l=50&s1=7,814,163.PN.&OS=PN/7,814,163&RS=PN/7,814,163

Spr0k3t
October 19th, 2010, 03:27 AM
The people who invented ABS and Airbags made a fortune off their patents. Especially when people and governments started to demand them in all cars. Patents helped someone make more money than they might have dreamed.

I'm fairly certain that apple will be raking in the piles of cash once the governments of the world collectively decide on the fundamentals of sexting as well as the potential lives lost and lawsuits abound. Bad analogy comparing safety equipment with a phone nanny. That's like comparing the benefits of corn oil vs sushi, or screaming touchdown at a basketball game.

Take my thoughts about this with a small salt-lick though. I openly hate apple just as much as I hate microsoft.

KiwiNZ
October 19th, 2010, 03:32 AM
I think people here would cry foul if Microsoft and Apple together found the cure for cancer and gave it away free. Those same people would probably refuse to use the cure because it came from Microsoft and Apple. :rolleyes:

kaldor
October 19th, 2010, 03:36 AM
I think people here would cry foul if Microsoft and Apple together found the cure for cancer and gave it away free. Those same people would probably refuse to use the cure because it came from Microsoft and Apple. :rolleyes:

This this this.

Dr. C
October 19th, 2010, 03:43 AM
http://patft.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?Sect1=PTO1&Sect2=HITOFF&d=PALL&p=1&u=/netahtml/PTO/srchnum.htm&r=1&f=G&l=50&s1=7,814,163.PN.&OS=PN/7,814,163&RS=PN/7,814,163

Thanks. What surprises me though is that this is not the subject of prior art. Content control software has been around for well over 15 years, and at its most basic level an email is just text.

Spr0k3t
October 19th, 2010, 04:14 AM
I think people here would cry foul if Microsoft and Apple together found the cure for cancer and gave it away free. Those same people would probably refuse to use the cure because it came from Microsoft and Apple. :rolleyes:

I can guarantee that I would definitely be first in line. I really don't think if I had cancer with a few short weeks to live would make any difference. I would surely be the buddhist monk who sets himself on fire in protest. No tears given.

scrooge_74
October 19th, 2010, 04:38 AM
I think everybody went off the track here.. The problem is not so much with Apple methods or the companies that invented brakes and such.

The thing is you design something, put a patent on it and sell it. So far so good, then we are suppose to live in a capitalist world, so if I like your invention I should be able to improve it or do it my own way as long as it not just a rip off of yours.

Hey if my design is better than your original idea and people start buying mine then you should do your best to improve on yours and make money, that way everybody benefits. If my products is similar not that good or just barely then either win it by selling cheaper or improving or just plain advertisement.

But dont come killing innovation because you own the idea and no one can either improve or do something similar. There is where I have a problem with patent laws.

Apply this to refrigerators, TVs, cars, what ever you can think off, if someone could patent "transportation" they would charge us if they could.

I read someone said about if they invented the cure for cancer, is not the fact they get to invent it, is the fact that most likely they will block everybody out and then charge you what ever they want to save your life.

I few years ago some doctor in Colombia made some breakthrough in fighting malaria he basically open sourced his discovery, drug companies where calling him a lunatic just because he was trying to save lives.

Lucky us that somehow the Open Source movement has manage to move around the patents or the fact the Software companies reacted a bit late to stop it if not, I wouldn't be typing all this on an old laptop running Lucid. I would be running some crappy pirated version of Windows and not having this discussion.

Earl_Maroon
October 19th, 2010, 12:40 PM
I can understand filtering incoming messages, but if the iPhone is blocking outgoing sexts, surely the battle has already been lost...

Grenage
October 19th, 2010, 12:45 PM
I heard on the radio the other day that Apple has come up with something that can prevent sexting and are trying to Patent it.

Capitalistic business practices, in a capitalistic world? What bastards!

I think that if a young person wants to send things like 'sexts' (assuming that's sex-oriented text messages), it's time for a birds and bees talk, not fickle control methods.

Half-Left
October 19th, 2010, 01:23 PM
I think people here would cry foul if Microsoft and Apple together found the cure for cancer and gave it away free. Those same people would probably refuse to use the cure because it came from Microsoft and Apple. :rolleyes:

That's a poor way of trying make their business practises moral. :rolleyes:

kaldor
October 19th, 2010, 01:50 PM
I think that if a young person wants to send things like 'sexts' (assuming that's sex-oriented text messages), it's time for a birds and bees talk, not fickle control methods.

^


That's a poor way of trying make their business practises moral.

To you and many other Linux users, the only "moral" business practise is to slap the GPL on the product and give it away for free. It's stupid and childish for people to whine over such insignificant things.

Half-Left
October 19th, 2010, 01:58 PM
To you and many other Linux users, the only "moral" business practise is to slap the GPL on the product and give it away for free. It's stupid and childish for people to whine over such insignificant things.

That's your assumption not mine and I didn't say everything has to be GPL. I'd just like more rights from companies like Microsoft and Apple and not to be sued if I try to make an innovating product, which Microsoft and Apple will claim patent infringement if my product started gaining market share(see the current situation).

While we're at it, why not throw some more moral dilemmas into the mix.