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Scooter_X
October 14th, 2010, 02:44 AM
So I am looking at getting a netbook. Low-dollar, ATOM processor, 1 or 2 gigs of ram and whatnot. I'm reading though all of a sudden that they don't do so hot with any video files. Let's take YouTUBE for instance. Would the YouTUBE experience suck? And if I had dumped my Invader Zim DVDs onto my hard drive would I be able to watch them? Concerning... Any thoughts?

andrewabc
October 14th, 2010, 03:00 AM
what quality of youtube resolution? 480p, 720p, 1080p?
<=480, yes
720p possible but not great.
1080p no.

720p not on youtube should work. but not sure why you would want 720p on netbook unless you're hooking up to monitor.

Which atom processor? If getting one it would have to be at minimum one that used intel GMA3150.
There are some 'netbooks' that use nvidia ion, but they are more expensive and battery life would be less.

Just released was a dual core atom for netbooks (http://www.anandtech.com/show/3882/intel-atom-n550-netbooks). But those models would cost a bit more than regular n450 model.

Intel Atom D510: Pine Trail Boosts Performance, Cuts Power (http://www.anandtech.com/show/2889/4)

99% of netbooks come with 1gb ram. You have to put your own 2gb ram module in it. When buying make sure you have access to replace RAM and HDD such as these two models (http://www.anandtech.com/show/3679/gateway-and-acer-netbooks/1) (look at pics of underside to see HDD+RAM+wireless are replaceable). If wanting portable computer and not needing lots of space, SSD prices should drop a lot in next 6 months, so that is why you would want HDD to be replaceable. Or if HDD dies, you can replace with another HDD.

Scooter_X
October 14th, 2010, 03:08 AM
I don't heed hardcore resolution on youtube, but I'd just like to be able to see the latest greatest funniest whatever happened to so-&-so every now and again.

I don't know a whole ton about different resolutions anyway. I'll have to dig in the video files I'd be interested in seeing and find out what they are so I know...



If wanting portable computer and not needing lots of space, SSD prices should drop a lot in next 6 months.

That's good to hear, and no I don't need a ton of space.

I guess I need a guide or something. I have been finding dizzying amounts of information but no way to compare it all so far.

Thanks for your help.

andrewabc
October 14th, 2010, 03:20 AM
ok, for basic youtubing watching, your 240p, 360p and I'm pretty sure 480p should all work fine unless you are actively multitasking at same time.

I have nettop atom n230 with gma950 and they work fine (don't get anything with gma950 or atom n270! that is 2008-2009 model). The n450+gma3150 is a bit faster (early 2010 model), and best thing over gma950 is it uses a lot less power which means more battery life.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Intel_Atom_microprocessors

Do not under any circumstance get GMA500 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intel_GMA#GMA_500_on_Linux) chipsets. Really bad driver support.

When looking at netbooks, there are 3 cell and 6 cell battery. This impacts price and battery time.

There are dual core netbooks with 6 cell for around $400 CAD. link (http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16834220817). I have not done research on these newer models (note model I link I did not check to see if HDD accessible). EDIT: review (http://www.laptopmag.com/review/laptops/asus-eee-pc-1015pem.aspx?page=1), still not sure on hdd accessible. EDIT: another review (http://www.notebookcheck.net/Review-Asus-Eee-PC-1015PEM-Netbook.37870.0.html), confirms, no HDD access. I think most asus netbooks are like this.


I'll check on this thread tomorrow if you have any more questions about netbooks or atom processors.

Scooter_X
October 14th, 2010, 06:43 AM
I don't think I have any more questions, thanks. I have found quite a bit from the links you gave me.

I'm currently pondering the Eee 1001p. Seems solid enough for what I want, and it's got bluetooth built-in. Would I have any problems getting that to work in Ubuntu do you think?

Paqman
October 14th, 2010, 09:25 AM
I'm currently pondering the Eee 1001p. Seems solid enough for what I want, and it's got bluetooth built-in. Would I have any problems getting that to work in Ubuntu do you think?

Go for it. The Eee PCs are great little machines, and work perfectly with Ubuntu. I'm posting this on a 1000HG now.

If you want to watch a lot of video on your netbook Arista Transcoder has a preset for netbooks that will re-encode to a convenient screen size. Not essential, but will save on some file size if you've got a hi-res original. It's in the repos.

Scooter_X
October 14th, 2010, 06:52 PM
And the multi-card reader? Those are easy to make work as well too, yes? So far I haven't been able to get my "big" laptop's card reader to work...

Ichtyandr
October 14th, 2010, 07:00 PM
Got 1005p which is very similar hardware, both Lucid and Maverick run well
Youtube and videos are OK, but chokes on 720p, so no high definition
otherwise runs like a beast on 1gb ram with Unity

But be sure to check this amazing work:

https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupport/Machines/Netbooks

The notes about Lucid apply to Maverick as well on 1005p

Also keep in mind Jupiter thing here: http://sourceforge.net/projects/jupiter/

Paqman
October 14th, 2010, 07:16 PM
And the multi-card reader? Those are easy to make work as well too, yes? So far I haven't been able to get my "big" laptop's card reader to work...

Everything works out of the box on both the Eee PCs i've had. No need to do anything.

earthpigg
October 14th, 2010, 08:30 PM
Flash sucks on Linux, which is no secret.

Aside from that, I haven't had any performance issues when playing video on my netbook.

Dell Netbook, First Generation - "Mini 9"

Edit:


And the multi-card reader? Those are easy to make work as well too, yes? So far I haven't been able to get my "big" laptop's card reader to work...

I put the SD card in the SD card slot, it works exactly the same as a USB thumb drive. Same with the USB Optical drive I have, which isn't the same one that it came with.


EDIT2:

The only additional thing I really have to offer, I think, is to google around and make sure your chosen netbook's video and wifi work OOB with Ubuntu 10.__.... nothing aside from that, really, to be concerned about. :P

del_diablo
October 14th, 2010, 08:40 PM
Wait around for the AMD netbooks, they will outclass ATOM by far.
Even under Windows my ATOM netbook is unable to play simple 720p video, it starts lagging on youtube on higher than 480p or whatever is used.

Scooter_X
October 14th, 2010, 08:50 PM
Sweet. An Eee for sure then. Jupiter looks handy, I found some stuff on how to get the multi-touch scrolling fixed on the 1005HAB which is what I currently am leaning towards (6-cell battery, not too expensive, performed seemingly just as well as others that I tested at Best Buy) so that'll be good, because I hate not being able to scroll down the webpage using the trackpad.

Thanks a ton guys, I've gotten quite a bit of great information from you. I appreciate it.

Scooter_X
October 14th, 2010, 09:03 PM
Oh hey look there was another post


Wait around for the AMD netbooks, they will outclass ATOM by far.
Even under Windows my ATOM netbook is unable to play simple 720p video, it starts lagging on youtube on higher than 480p or whatever is used.

The newer it will be, I fear the further it'll be out of my budget range. I think it'd rock to get an AMD one, but the only reasons I want one is so I can do homework, have it to pack around with me to use the internet now and again (without breaking my back) and so my wife and I both can surf or whatever at the same time at home. She always wants to use the laptop, the desktop we have is alright, but the monitor is dying.

And I actually tried watching some stuff on youtube on this one I'm thinking of getting which only has an N270 in it, and to be honest I didn't feel at all any dread that I would hate watching videos on it. Not slow at all. So for what I want to put it through, I think I'm gonna come away with a deal! I'll probably upgrade the ram of course, but aside from that it'll be great.

Thanks for the tip tho

nothingspecial
October 14th, 2010, 09:40 PM
Just watching The Lawrence Arms, on Youtube, on a netbook, running 10.10, 1 gig ram, atom processor........

172333

Works absolutely fine :)

nothingspecial
October 14th, 2010, 09:45 PM
And this is Raiders of the Lost Ark....

...over Lan (ssh) on the same machine

172334

Again, no worries.

nothingspecial
October 14th, 2010, 09:48 PM
Sorry spambot

Don`t get me wrong, I have an all singing, all dancing 4gig ram desktop box......

....but my netbook does fine :)

Scooter_X
October 15th, 2010, 12:05 AM
which processor has it got in it? Atom, but which one? Just to compare. I guess the better question would be: What system?

cariboo
October 15th, 2010, 12:24 AM
My netbook has an atom 270, it works quite well for 480p youtube videos 720p makes it stutter once in a while.

I used vobcopy to rip my dvd collection, and use the netbook to watch dvds in full screen mode via an nfs connection to my server.

andrewabc
October 15th, 2010, 02:25 AM
Just a note about eeepc. It doesn't have access to HDD. But if that isn't too important, and everything else is great about it (I've done lots of research on eeepc, and they seem great), then go for it.

1001p product info (http://usa.asus.com/product.aspx?P_ID=5AH8HAdGuhiQIXgg)

Has n450 processor so you are safe with that.

anandtech review of 1001p
Asus Eee PC 1001P: Our Favorite Netbook (http://www.anandtech.com/show/2965/asus-eee-pc-1001p-our-favorite-netbook)

So to recap. 720p youtube = don't bother
720p real video = yes, but dvd quality would work much better anyways.
Heck even with 720p real video you can get 5 hours of battery life (assuming 6 cell). Which is very nice, especially if flying.

AMD bobcat is supposed to be nice, but you probably won't see it until January/February at earliest, and you can expect price premium until middle of the year (I'm guessing). Whereas n450 processor is fully saturated market, and futur***** is selling (http://www.futur*****.ca/en-CA/product/acer-acer-10-1-intel-atom-n450-netbook-ao532h-2806-english-ao532h-2806/10151101.aspx?path=d383ed541673c2e5324f657e82fa927 den02) same specs as 1001p for $230 CAD (normally 6 cells are selling for >=$300 here).

Basically only get netbook if your priorities are portability, long battery life, and low cost. I assume you have another main computer, or access to real laptop/desktop if needed.

EDIT:
With youtube, if you have html5 browser (currently chromium nightly would work best), you could tell youtube to use html5 video player (webm), and whenever that is available for videos it would sue that. I'm not sure if it would work better than flash, but you could try.

EDIT:
Why the heck is e.shop (remove .) blanked out? Even in the url... Guess spammers/marketers have hit forums too much with it.

Scooter_X
October 15th, 2010, 02:30 AM
Man, I wish I had a server and knew more about networking, that sounds like the way to go. As in, you stream them from anywhere on the internet, or just on your LAN?

andrewabc
October 15th, 2010, 02:48 AM
Man, I wish I had a server and knew more about networking, that sounds like the way to go. As in, you stream them from anywhere on the internet, or just on your LAN?

Yes, the person who said was streaming from server, it could be real server on internet, or most likely has a desktop(server) in house which houses all media, and it is connected to router, which the netbook also wirelessly connects to router and can watch videos from the desktop. Most likely if has large flatscreen tv it would be hooked up to server as well.

Extremely easy to setup LAN if you have desktop in house + router. I had my two desktops connected so I could scan documents at one computer and put them on another computer not connected to printer. I also have them connected so I can send print jobs from my main desktop to a nettop connected to printer.

EDIT:
https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SettingUpNFSHowTo

juancarlospaco
October 15th, 2010, 02:59 AM
Youtube with HTML5: Pentium 386dx
Youtube with Flash: IBM Road Runner (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IBM_Roadrunner)

CharlesA
October 15th, 2010, 03:01 AM
+1 for an eeePC. I didn't know that I couldn't swap out the hdd when I bought mine, but it's got a 250GB drive in there now and it's not even close to full. I can't really imagine using all of that space up on a portable.

cariboo
October 15th, 2010, 03:27 AM
Man, I wish I had a server and knew more about networking, that sounds like the way to go. As in, you stream them from anywhere on the internet, or just on your LAN?

I just do this from my local lan. If I'm out and about, I won't be sitting around watching videos.

Scooter_X
October 15th, 2010, 03:32 AM
+1 for an eeePC. I didn't know that I couldn't swap out the hdd when I bought mine, but it's got a 250GB drive in there now and it's not even close to full. I can't really imagine using all of that space up on a portable.

good call, I wouldn't be able to fill that much on a netbook. No reason.

Are there any current asus models out there that already have a SSD inside? I just did a quick google and couldn't see any...

CharlesA
October 15th, 2010, 03:36 AM
good call, I wouldn't be able to fill that much on a netbook. No reason.

Are there any current asus models out there that already have a SSD inside? I just did a quick google and couldn't see any...

I haven't heard of any, but then, I haven't been in the market for a netbook so I haven't done much looking.

andrewabc
October 15th, 2010, 03:37 AM
good call, I wouldn't be able to fill that much on a netbook. No reason.

Are there any current asus models out there that already have a SSD inside? I just did a quick google and couldn't see any...

None that I know of. The older models that did come with SSD, the SSD were slow compared to normal 2.5" ones you can buy, so not much better than HDD.
Don't bother trying to find one that comes with SSD.

If you put 2gb ram in nettop, and install preload (http://sourceforge.net/projects/preload/), it should load most often used files into ram at startup would should speed things up.

My preload on desktop says:
sudo tail -f /var/log/preload.log

[Thu Oct 14 23:36:41 2010] 538860kb available for preloading, using 532404kb of it
[Thu Oct 14 23:36:41 2010] readahead 943 files
So apparently 943 files are in ram ready to be used. This would be much faster than accessing from your nettop HDD (although it could slow down boot time by a second or two while it load them into ram).

Scooter_X
October 15th, 2010, 03:54 AM
Alright, plus I just read that SSD actually wears out much earlier than a regular hard drive, which is kindof a minus.

Edit: And preload looks dang sweet.

CharlesA
October 15th, 2010, 04:06 AM
Alright, plus I just read that SSD actually wears out much earlier than a regular hard drive, which is kindof a minus.

Edit: And preload looks dang sweet.

That was true of early SSD models but I believe the newer ones are on par with hard drives.

andrewabc
October 15th, 2010, 04:08 AM
Alright, plus I just read that SSD actually wears out much earlier than a regular hard drive, which is kindof a minus.

Edit: And preload looks dang sweet.

Well, it is possible it will wear out faster, but unlikely unless you are constantly writing to it. More likely that the hdd in netbook would fail than ssd write fail.

I have 60gb ocz vertex bought in October 2009 ($200 on sale), still works fine that I know of. I havn't gone over 10-15gb of usage yet though since I havn't needed to since I have 320gb hard drive that stores everything (1 tb for media storage). Got another one this summer ($130 sale), works fine. Currently priced at ~$130 CAD.

Even if you got 30-40gb model ssd and put ubuntu (4gb install) and some apps (say 1gb), and then you have some data but not lots (5 gb?), that's only 10/30gb used so write failure should not happen. netbooks are limited to SATAI though. But you still end up with twice the speed.

my nettop 160gb hdd
http://img442.imageshack.us/img442/6176/screenshot160gbharddisk.th.png (http://img442.imageshack.us/i/screenshot160gbharddisk.png/)


SSD in nettop
http://img175.imageshack.us/img175/4657/screenshot64gbsolidstat.th.png (http://img175.imageshack.us/i/screenshot64gbsolidstat.png/)
edit whoops first put up desktop ssd benchmark. corrected.

Scooter_X
October 15th, 2010, 04:47 AM
I'm sorry, but it looks like your SSD totally flatlined, and though your HDD's rate goes down over time, it at least has a pulse.

(I've never had to interpret one of these, what am I looking at? :confused:)

del_diablo
October 15th, 2010, 08:46 AM
Oh hey look there was another post



The newer it will be, I fear the further it'll be out of my budget range. I think it'd rock to get an AMD one, but the only reasons I want one is so I can do homework, have it to pack around with me to use the internet now and again (without breaking my back) and so my wife and I both can surf or whatever at the same time at home. She always wants to use the laptop, the desktop we have is alright, but the monitor is dying.

And I actually tried watching some stuff on youtube on this one I'm thinking of getting which only has an N270 in it, and to be honest I didn't feel at all any dread that I would hate watching videos on it. Not slow at all. So for what I want to put it through, I think I'm gonna come away with a deal! I'll probably upgrade the ram of course, but aside from that it'll be great.

Thanks for the tip tho


That was a really weird reply.
A netbook is a netbook, whenever AMD gets out their ATOM rival.
So it will basically be the exact same thing in power consumation, except that it will do floating points a bit faster and if video accel exist(and is properly implented in the drivers), it will be able to pull of full HD video.
Just find it annoying that atom netbooks can drag normal DVD video, but is useless for anything in higher quality....

Edit: About SSD, remember that LCD are in danger of running out of blue color :P Even under extreme usage(over many many years), a LCD will likely never run out of blue color. The same applies to SSD disks, the "problem" was with the first beta hardware pushed out, which was caused by insane write and read degeneration.
On the current SSD and the 2 last gens, you need to treat your HD really really really bad to even get things close to the rumors. You would need to rewrite the entire thing over.... 10.000 times? If you wipe the HD, that is 1 overwrite. If you download a file, then delete it, and then replacing it with something else to take that space: That is also 1 write to a piece of the SSD.
Add on TRIM(if i understood it: do not linearly place files, meaning that the tear is equally spread equally, instead of high tear on 1 high written location).

Paqman
October 15th, 2010, 09:48 AM
First thing I did in my Eee 1000 was swap out the nasty 5400rpm HDD for an SSD. I put a 40GB Intel X25-V in it and it flies. I've got Win XP for playing Civ 3, two Linux distros and a 10GB /home and it's plenty of room. Big files like movies go onto a 16GB SD card that i've stuck into it.

I love my netbook. You can get refurbed Eee PCs on eBay for about 130, warranty included.

Scooter_X
October 15th, 2010, 04:18 PM
That was a really weird reply.
A netbook is a netbook, whenever AMD gets out their ATOM rival.


Haha.. sorry. All I meant is that the prices may be higher when they first come out and take awhile to come down, and that they might be outside of my budget range.

del_diablo
October 19th, 2010, 07:41 AM
Ah, that.
It might be, it might not be :P