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Earl-Grey
October 11th, 2010, 03:50 PM
Hello there,

I hope that somebody out there can advise me on purchasing a new computer.

I would like to buy a new desktop machine, and am wondering if I should get a Linux Ubuntu pre installed computer or if I should go for a normal Windows machines and then install Ubuntu later and select between both of them.

I'm not that fluent with Ubuntu, but do like it a lot better than Windows, not just because it looks better, but if feels much quicker and is so much more customisable. Unfortunately I haven't had much luck with Ubuntu on my Windows based PC at the moment (constantly powering off at random times, having a 50% chance of my wireless network connecting when logging on and fighting hard to get my sound to work). I am sure if I had a newer system that was made to run with Linux I shouldn't have the same problem.

I would like to play some games like COD 2, but not sure if I could get it to run on Ubuntu and if I could I think I have to pay for some Linux Wine software every month or so... Maybe COD 2 would be the most demanding game I would like to play on the system, so I am not looking for a high end machine. More of a low budget one.

https://www.linuxmania.jp/image/product_spec/pc_spec35.jpg
This is the machine that I am currently looking at. Around 600 pounds (1000 USD), CPU: Intel Core i5-661, (3.33GHz / 4MBL3 / GPU 900 MHz / DDR3), Memory: (2048MB x1 / DDR3-1333 CL9 1.5V / JEDEC, HDD: HITACHI Deskstar 7K1000.C(1.0TB /3.0Gb/sec / 7200rpm / 32MB), Graphics: Intel HD Graphics, OS: Ubuntu 10.04 LTS (32bit / 64bit).

https://www.linuxmania.jp/image/product_spec/pc_spec10.jpg
There is also a similar system that I am looking at but it comes with Fedora which I don't know a lot about.


Any advice or recommendations would be much appreciated :P

ubunterooster
October 11th, 2010, 03:57 PM
You can do much better by ordering parts from newegg. I have built two Linux desktops that are completely Linux compatible.

If you are able to stick a few parts together you can do much better and I would be happy to help you pick parts out.

pricetech
October 11th, 2010, 04:12 PM
What you want to order depends also on your needs. Building your own computer is a good learning experience, but if you really need windows, don't forget to include the cost of the license when figuring the cost of the system.

Fedora is based upon Red Hat. I used to use RH, followed by an unsatisfactory trip to Fedora, then White Box.

After a lull in my Linux activity, I started using Ubuntu and haven't looked back.

Maybe not much help, but some things to think about.

Elentir
October 11th, 2010, 04:37 PM
I'm going to buy a new pc next week. And although I mainly use Ubuntu I still need Windows from time to time (software from school, heavy games which PlayOnLinux can't run).

Make sure to get an original Windows 7 DVD/CD with your purchase, not merely a'pre-installed' installer on your machine. Later, you can always turn your Ubuntu/Windows boot into a Ubuntu boot with a Windows 7 on Virtual Box. When there comes a time that you find out you only use Windows rarely, you could consider not buying Windows anymore.

But presuming (from your message) you're a bit the same into Ubuntu as me, I would advice you to buy Windows along with your machine. (Buying Windows along with a machine is significantly cheaper than buying as stand-alone).

proxess
October 11th, 2010, 04:43 PM
Judging from your mentioned requirements, a machine with Ubuntu pre-installed and Wine installed will be enough, as long as you have a half-decent graphics card (AMD/ATi or nVidia).

Also, if you don't mind spending a bit on software, instead of buying an over-expensive windows, you could buy a 1 year Cedega license (1 year's worth of updates, you can use the software forever tho).

ubunterooster
October 11th, 2010, 05:03 PM
$70 Motherboard (http://www.amazon.com/Gigabyte-GA-MA785GM-US2H-Micro-ATX-Motherboard/dp/B002HJ2CA8/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=pc&qid=1286810034&sr=1-1)
$90 AMD 3.2 GHz dual-core (http://www.amazon.com/AMD-Phenom-Callisto-Dual-Core-Processor/dp/B0036F2Z7W/ref=sr_1_25?s=pc&ie=UTF8&qid=1286809849&sr=1-25)
$110 2TB drive (http://www.amazon.com/Western-Digital-Intellipower-Desktop-WD20EARS/dp/B002ZCXK0I/ref=sr_1_30?s=pc&ie=UTF8&qid=1286810373&sr=1-30)
$35 Cooler Master Case (http://www.amazon.com/Cooler-Master-RC-310-BWN1-GP-Elite-Window/dp/B0028ACYMC/ref=sr_1_4?s=pc&ie=UTF8&qid=1286810471&sr=1-4)
$25 Cooler Master 400 Watt Power supply (http://www.amazon.com/Cooler-Master-RC-310-BWN1-GP-Elite-Window/dp/B0028ACYMC/ref=sr_1_4?s=pc&ie=UTF8&qid=1286810471&sr=1-4)
$95 4GB OCZ RAM (http://www.amazon.com/OCZ-OCZ2P10664GK-PC2-8500-Platinum-Channel/dp/B0017SA5ZY/ref=sr_1_24?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1286811020&sr=1-24)
$24 DVD drive (http://www.amazon.com/Lite-LightScribe-Layer-Drive-IHAS424-98/dp/tech-data/B002SIMPXM/ref=de_a_smtd)
$15 Sony Card-Reader (http://%22http://www.amazon.com/Sony-MRW620-U1-181-Internal/dp/B001AI6CNK)
$68 GeForce 9500 GT 1GB PCI-Express 2.0 Graphics Card (http://www.amazon.com/EVGA-01G-P3-N959TR-GeForce-PCI-Express-Graphics/dp/B001ENI3C4)
$2 12" SATA Cable (http://www.amazon.com/Serial-ATA-SATA-Drive-Cable/dp/B001O4EPH0)

Total $554

Okay so this is better than the one you were looking at, especially in price.

If I were you I would get a small SSD
$100 30 GB OCZ with up to 230 MB/s and write up to 135MB/s (http://www.amazon.com/OCZ-Technology-Vertex-Solid-OCZSSD2-1VTX30G/dp/B001NPCTB4/ref=sr_1_5?m=ATVPDKIKX0DER&s=pc&ie=UTF8&qid=1286810083&sr=1-5)

and a $12 mounting bracket for the SSD ] (http://www.amazon.com/2-5-3-5-Ssd-sata-Convert/dp/B002Z2QDNE)


Total $666 (Oh, my! LOL)


:D How is that?

cascade9
October 12th, 2010, 07:27 PM
Since your in the UK Earl-Grey, and cant import from newegg, etc (and even if you could, RMAs could be a huge pain). you would probably do best to find a computer store that will build you a 'custom' setup. The only one I know of in the UK appear broken now, but I'm sure you could email/call them to see if they will biuld you a custom setup- you should be abel to get a better setup, for less money than either of teh systems you've posted.

This is the link to that place-

http://dealforu.co.uk/epages/*****330172.sf/en_GB/?ObjectPath=/Shops/*****330172/Categories/3

I'll try asking some of the UK resident I know to see if they know a better place. ;)


$70 Motherboard (http://www.amazon.com/Gigabyte-GA-MA785GM-US2H-Micro-ATX-Motherboard/dp/B002HJ2CA8/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=pc&qid=1286810034&sr=1-1)
$90 AMD 3.2 GHz dual-core (http://www.amazon.com/AMD-Phenom-Callisto-Dual-Core-Processor/dp/B0036F2Z7W/ref=sr_1_25?s=pc&ie=UTF8&qid=1286809849&sr=1-25)
$110 2TB drive (http://www.amazon.com/Western-Digital-Intellipower-Desktop-WD20EARS/dp/B002ZCXK0I/ref=sr_1_30?s=pc&ie=UTF8&qid=1286810373&sr=1-30)
$35 Cooler Master Case (http://www.amazon.com/Cooler-Master-RC-310-BWN1-GP-Elite-Window/dp/B0028ACYMC/ref=sr_1_4?s=pc&ie=UTF8&qid=1286810471&sr=1-4)
$25 Cooler Master 400 Watt Power supply (http://www.amazon.com/Cooler-Master-RC-310-BWN1-GP-Elite-Window/dp/B0028ACYMC/ref=sr_1_4?s=pc&ie=UTF8&qid=1286810471&sr=1-4)
$95 4GB OCZ RAM (http://www.amazon.com/OCZ-OCZ2P10664GK-PC2-8500-Platinum-Channel/dp/B0017SA5ZY/ref=sr_1_24?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1286811020&sr=1-24)
$24 DVD drive (http://www.amazon.com/Lite-LightScribe-Layer-Drive-IHAS424-98/dp/tech-data/B002SIMPXM/ref=de_a_smtd)
$15 Sony Card-Reader (http://%22http://www.amazon.com/Sony-MRW620-U1-181-Internal/dp/B001AI6CNK)
$68 GeForce 9500 GT 1GB PCI-Express 2.0 Graphics Card (http://www.amazon.com/EVGA-01G-P3-N959TR-GeForce-PCI-Express-Graphics/dp/B001ENI3C4)
$2 12" SATA Cable (http://www.amazon.com/Serial-ATA-SATA-Drive-Cable/dp/B001O4EPH0)

Total $554

Okay so this is better than the one you were looking at, especially in price.

If I were you I would get a small SSD
$100 30 GB OCZ with up to 230 MB/s and write up to 135MB/s (http://www.amazon.com/OCZ-Technology-Vertex-Solid-OCZSSD2-1VTX30G/dp/B001NPCTB4/ref=sr_1_5?m=ATVPDKIKX0DER&s=pc&ie=UTF8&qid=1286810083&sr=1-5)

and a $12 mounting bracket for the SSD ] (http://www.amazon.com/2-5-3-5-Ssd-sata-Convert/dp/B002Z2QDNE)

Total $666 (Oh, my! LOL)

:D How is that?

Brave! Running a $25 PSU with all that. I wouldnt risk it. ;)

Also, DDR2 is obsolete now, if your after a motheroard/CPU/RAM setup get DDR3 everytime now, 785 motherobards with on ATI is pointless if your getting a video card, get a 770/870 chipset isntead, you shouldnt need to buy SATA cables, they should come with the motherboard, a GT220 should be faster, cooler and use less power than a 9500GT and are avaible for less $$$, and amazon US is pretty useless for a UK resident. ;)

ubunterooster
October 12th, 2010, 07:44 PM
The PSU is plenty sufficient for the setup, DDR2 works fine but costs a nice bit less, the motherboard works plenty fine for this setup, The motherboard was only one SATA cable short of what was needed.

You are correct about the video card though

I was not insisting on amazon or those parts but merely showing an example of how one can build a PC for much less than the OEMs sell them for. I was also building "a low budget one" not a more "high end machine"

You made the same point in your beginning statement but then tried to disqualify what I said.

admiralspark
October 12th, 2010, 07:55 PM
Well, building one from parts would be the cheapest route, but purchasing a windows computer that also works with linux would be the easiest route. You will find that there is always ONE LOUSY PROGRAM (in my case, TomTom updates) that refuses to work on anything but a 'regular' windows system, so you'll want a legitimate copy of that. I use a Lenovo Y560 laptop which plays Modern Warfare 2 on all extra high settings with no lag, but the non-student-discount price is $1800 normally, $1600 on sale. I payed $1089 though, so look around for special deals.
Any decent pc shop should be able to build a PC for you that will do everythign you want it to and only cost $600 or less.

P.S. That $25 psu work's fine, a friend of mine built a gaming rig with a 500W cooler master ($30) a little while ago and has had no problems. Granted, he doesn't run it near peak but it hasn't failed him yet.

cascade9
October 12th, 2010, 08:05 PM
The PSU is plenty sufficient for the setup, DDR2 works fine but costs a nice bit less, the motherboard works plenty fine for this setup, The motherboard was only one SATA cable short of what was needed.

You are correct about the video card though

I was not insisting on amazon or those parts but merely showing an example of how one can build a PC for much less than the OEMs sell them for. I was also building "a low budget one" not a more "high end machine"

You made the same point in your beginning statement but then tried to disqualify what I said.


No, I said that he would be better off with a custom setup. I wasnt 'disqualifing' what you said, just modifing the parts.

I still think that running a 400watt coolermaster power supply on that system is brave. Yes, I've run one in the past, but its not something I'd run a Phenom II on. I'm VERY wary of cheap-o power supplies, if you'd had the fix the number of systems where the owner had tried to skim a few dollars on the power supply you might agree with me. Nothing more depressing than havign to toss what should be a prefectly good motherboard/video card/etc because a cheap power supply has blown the lot.

Even using amazon, DDR3 can be cheaper than the RAM you speced-

http://www.amazon.com/Corsair-Channel-Memory-Processors-CMX4GX3M2A1600C9/dp/B002LE8D2A/ref=sr_1_1?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1286909160&sr=1-1

DDR2 and DDR3 are pretty much the same cost these days. ;)

Its worth it to spend a few dollars more on a DDR3 motherbaord. AM3 *should* have DDR3, and if a desision to run DDR2 to save a few dollars could have a major impact if the OP wanted to do any upgrading in the future. You can get a nice, 770chipset motherboard for only a few dollars moer (and thats still with gigabyte, not movign to chpeaer brand)-

http://www.amazon.com/Gigabyte-Socket-4DDR3-1866-Motherboard-GA-770T-USB3/dp/B0036Z65EG/ref=sr_1_36?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1286909503&sr=1-36

You dont have to get really cheap stuff for a budget machine. Just changing a few parts would really be worth it, but only increase the cost by $40-75 ($15 for the motherboard, the rest on a better power supply)

QIII
October 12th, 2010, 08:26 PM
My 2 cents (and all the talk of building your own is fun, but is it practical for you?)

Look at a machine with Windows installed and make sure you get a real Windows installation disk and not an OEM installation disk or recovery disk. In the US, several court cases have made it clear that you are entitled to a full-on version. But you may have to request it from Microsoft, get a run around, get put on hold, talk to a few people who will ask you the same questions over and over. I can't speak to your location.

Research the machine and its hardware. Look around to check each subsystem for compatibility with Linux.

If you are comfortable that the machine will run both, then consider purchasing it.

Start with Windows (your basis, because you are familiar with it and can fall back). Dual boot Linux.

When you become comfortable with Linux and decide that you would like it to be your primary OS, get rid of Windows and install it instead in a virtual machine in Linux. (This is where the full-on copy of Windows comes in. The EULA for OEM disks forbids installation in virtual machines, and the recovery type disks will not install.)

As a side note: "Fedora is based on Red Hat". Scratch that. Reverse it, sort of. Fedora may be RPM based, but is somewhat of a test bed for Red Hat, except for some of the Enterprise features. It spun off when Red Hat was discontinued in favor of Red Hat Enterprise. It is still trademarked by Red Hat. Fedora is independently developed, but sponsored by Red Hat. Alas, Fedora does a much better job of upstream changes than Canonical has done in the past.