Are you people taking a note on Firefox 4?

[dE_logics]

Hardware acceleration only for *******...

Vote for this bug --

https://firefox.uservoice.com/forums/57440-firefox-4-beta/suggestions/1041705-opengl-hardware-acceleration?ref=title

And request to increase priority.

[Legendary_Bibo]

Meh. I would prefer if my internet browser didn't use up more of my cpu and graphics then it's should.

[murderslastcrow]

That's absurd. Firefox is still the premiere open source browser- it should support these features on multiple OSes. I don't know about the technicalities, but I DO know they've always been serious about delivering an identical, consistent experience on each of their platforms. To not have such a core feature to how people will likely use the web in the coming years is just baffling.

More users for Chromium and Rekonq, I guess. And maybe even Midori, for that matter. Goodness. *votes*

[dE_logics]

Chromium ain't even supporting that feature in the near future...

People have to revolt, then Mozilla will notice... otherwise we all will be forced back to Windows.

[iiiears]

A browser potentially direct access to hardware via Kernel Mode Setting?
User space yes KMS Um, no. Windows users are in for a surprise I think via DirectX we can only hope .NET can save them.

[murderslastcrow]

Well, HTML5 already offers hardware acceleration in the browser with Chrome and Chromium. I've used it, I've looked at 3d demos. What is hardware acceleration if not utilizing local hardware for things like that and smooth video playback?

Am I missing something obvious, here?

[lovinglinux]

I have been using Firefox 4 since Beta 1 and I'm very pleased with it. Sure, we still don't get the new UI and 2D HA, but there are plenty of improvements and new awesome features, like WebM, Firefox Panorama, Switch to Tab, App Tabs, Firefox Sync, JetPack SDK, HTML 5 and much more. Additionally, it is 300% faster than Firefox 3.0 on Peacekeeper benchmark.

Besides, is a beta. The final version won't be available before November. You have to consider that they are implementing a LOT of changes in Firefox 4.

If you want to suggest new features, visit https://firefox.uservoice.com/forums/57440-firefox-4-beta

[dE_logics]

Hardware acceleration doesn't get supported without the browser supporting it... and this is for HTML5, Flash already supports that but only in ******* (probably they got bribed).

[schtufbox]

otherwise we all will be forced back to Windows.
I don't think so!

[dE_logics]

So can someone vote?... otherwise we'll be forced back to Mr. Bill!

And just spread it... anyone with a Facebook or tweeter account?

[YeOK]

Hardware acceleration doesn't get supported without the browser supporting it... and this is for HTML5, Flash already supports that but only in ******* (probably they got bribed).

Google are adding it to Chrome, I think you can actual test it now on unstable builds, its hidden away under command line switches.

http://blog.chromium.org/2010/08/chromium-graphics-overhaul.html

Notice Google are using OpenGl and using Angle to convert it to Direct3D on Windows. So they are starting out with a cross platform design.

Its got a way to go, but I would expect to see a Linux version from Google before Firefox, hell, even Opera will probably have hardware acceleration on Linux before Firefox.

http://my.opera.com/core/blog/2009/02/04/vega?id=2953968

[dmizer]

So can someone vote?... otherwise we'll be forced back to Mr. Bill!

And just spread it... anyone with a Facebook or tweeter account?

Panic, jumping to conclusions, being overly critical, and unleashing the internet hoards upon some any unfortunate soul is unlikely to endear anyone to the open source community.

[Frogs Hair]

I have been testing FF beta 4 on Windows all I can say is I hope the gui isn't finished . FF 4 is also almost twice the size of Opera and I'm hoping the final product gets trimmed down before release. I don't fear Mozilla abandoning Linux because it is an open source project.

[dE_logics]

Google are adding it to Chrome, I think you can actual test it now on unstable builds, its hidden away under command line switches.

http://blog.chromium.org/2010/08/chromium-graphics-overhaul.html

Notice Google are using OpenGl and using Angle to convert it to Direct3D on Windows. So they are starting out with a cross platform design.

Its got a way to go, but I would expect to see a Linux version from Google before Firefox, hell, even Opera will probably have hardware acceleration on Linux before Firefox.

http://my.opera.com/core/blog/2009/02/04/vega?id=2953968

If that's so, I'll be quitting Mozilla products.

[dE_logics]

Panic, jumping to conclusions, being overly critical, and unleashing the internet hoards upon some any unfortunate soul is unlikely to endear anyone to the open source community.

It wont harm anyone! It's just voting, atleast the devs will notice then cause right now, they don't appear to give a damn!

[wkhasintha]

voted. for what it's worth.

[23meg]

It wont harm anyone! It's just voting,

Spreading misinformation does harm projects; it leads people to make decisions based on incorrect information, and costs people who contribute to the project lots of time and effort to correct.


atleast the devs will notice then cause right now, they don't appear to give a damn!

I don't know where you get your information, but you seem horribly misinformed. Content rendering is accelerated via XRender in Firefox 4 on Linux; as always is the case with XRender, what acceleration you'll get depends almost entirely on driver support. Here's some reading:

http://weblogs.mozillazine.org/roc/archives/2010/09/full_hardware_a.html
http://hacks.mozilla.org/2010/09/hardware-acceleration/

If you'd like to help, install the Grafx Bot (http://jagriffin.wordpress.com/2010/08/30/introducting-grafx-bot/) extension on a daily or beta release, and let it test your hardware.

[foxxxy]

Pft, there are plenty of open source browsers, losing Firefox wouldn't bother me.

[23meg]

Pft, there are plenty of open source browsers, losing Firefox wouldn't bother me.

What made you think that you might be "losing Firefox"?

[foxxxy]

What made you think that you might be "losing Firefox"?

If Mozilla dropped features in Firefox on Linux, I wouldn't have a problem using another open source browser. There are many.

[spoons]

If Mozilla dropped features in Firefox on Linux, I wouldn't have a problem using another open source browser. There are many.

But this is a new, relatively experimental feature, which virtually no browser yet has, and one which your current Firefox does not have. Given this I'd say no, there's not many other browsers which have the acceleration.

[Dustin2128]

meh, its open source. If chromium implements this before firefox, someone will use the code as a base for a ffox linux extension. Of course with the new mozilla app store, it might not be free ;). I honestly have mixed emotions about firefox 4 right now... back on topic, if most browsers do adopt this, it'll be great news for runescape and other browser mmos.

[Pogeymanz]

Don't hit the panic button yet, Jeeze.

If you were programming an application that had 95% of its users on Windows and you wanted to offer some new feature, guess which platform you would work on first. Please, tell me that you would simultaneously write the OpenGL and DirectX version simultaneously and I'll tell you how you'll be less impressive to most of your demographic.

Until more people use Linux, we are second class citizens. I don't blame Mozilla, so long as we get it eventually.

[Frogs Hair]

Everything I have read states that hardware acceleration will be turned off by default in the beta phase for Linux and Mac , but have seen nothing thats states this is permanent . I would like a link if someone has one. Thanks

[Jesus_Valdez]

The other day at Reddit one Mozilla guy clearly stated that this "only in windows" was a complete lie.


(I'm working for Mozilla)

You're wrong.

Firefox 4 supports hw acceleration on Linux for content (XRender). Firefox 4 will support hw acceleration on Linux for compositing (OpenGL). Firefox 4 will support hw acceleration on Linux for WebGL (OpenGL).

We won't support hw acceleration on Mac for content because QuartzGL is not ready. But we'll support hw acceleration on Mac for compositing (OpenGL).

Saying that Chromium are supporting OpenGL doesn't make sense here, because we are talking about content acceleration. They will use OpenGL for compositing (like us).


Li9nk to the thread: http://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/db19y/

[kamaboko]

I've been playing with FF4 on Win7 and haven't noticed a blazing, mind altering difference in speed.

[dE_logics]

I've been playing with FF4 on Win7 and haven't noticed a blazing, mind altering difference in speed.

http://demos.hacks.mozilla.org/openweb/HWACCEL

Ok, the inefficient DirectX might be no no good, so you might find no difference...

[Bachstelze]

Hardware-accelerated web browser.

/facepalm

I use a browser to browse the web, not play games.

[dE_logics]

Hardware-accelerated web browser.

/facepalm

I use a browser to browse the web, not play games.

Point.

But nowadays sites are more like games...

http://www.asus.com/entryflash.htm

http://www.dolby.com/consumer/experience/index.html

[23meg]

Hardware-accelerated web browser.

/facepalm

I use a browser to browse the web, not play games.

One benefit of offloading compositing to the GPU regardless of whether you use graphics-heavy websites or not is having the CPU do less work, thus generate less heat, waste less electricity, and potentially idle for longer, saving battery life on mobile devices. It's a part of your computer that you paid for; why should it sit idle at the expense of other less efficient parts (the CPU) doing excessive work?

[ivanovnegro]

Don't hit the panic button yet, Jeeze.

If you were programming an application that had 95% of its users on Windows and you wanted to offer some new feature, guess which platform you would work on first. Please, tell me that you would simultaneously write the OpenGL and DirectX version simultaneously and I'll tell you how you'll be less impressive to most of your demographic.

Until more people use Linux, we are second class citizens. I don't blame Mozilla, so long as we get it eventually.

First of all, I even did not notice something about the new Firefox 4 but honestly Im not interested a lot like I was before with Firefox. Im now using Chromium and am happy with the real speed. Yes, FF can handle more sites as Chromium do and has more addons, so I use FF on my Linux only in case of emergency and I dont need addons, I want to browse fast through the web, thats all, the only thing I use with FF is Zatero for school.
Yes, someday will come and maybe I will try the new FF or will have an update to improve the new things but for now Im using Chromium and it just works.
Both browsers are coming from two companies, Mozilla or Google, so what? I take the faster one. The important thing is, its open source.
And I agree with your comments that we linux users are "second class citizens", its sad but true and now Mozilla is going to make more for Windows users, I cannot blame them, but in contrary I can change my browser or whatever.
What I would like is that more people would support linux and I will use the apps of that devs.

[kamaboko]

http://demos.hacks.mozilla.org/openweb/HWACCEL

Ok, the inefficient DirectX might be no no good, so you might find no difference...

Using that link I did see a significant diff b/t FF Beta 5 and the latest Chrome stable for Win7. 53fps vs 2fps.

[dE_logics]

Using that link I did see a significant diff b/t FF Beta 5 and the latest Chrome stable for Win7. 53fps vs 2fps.

That was v/s Linux.

[jkxx]

As this topic is about FF4 and its features, I wanted to add that Maverick's firefox (3.6.9) is GL-accelerated if the drivers support it. Running the psychedelic browsing benchmark gets me 1774 points here, which is very similar to windows.

As for FF4, it's much faster at processing javascript and has quite a few nice improvements over 3.x. Well worth a try for those who haven't tried Firefox before and I suspect a keeper for those who currently use it.

[23meg]

Here's another call for testing:

http://blog.mozilla.com/joe/2010/09/15/so-you-want-to-help-us-with-hardware-acceleration/

[dE_logics]

Here's another call for testing:

http://blog.mozilla.com/joe/2010/09/15/so-you-want-to-help-us-with-hardware-acceleration/

Thanks, I'll use the live ebuilds form the Gentoo overlay.

[sdowney717]

http://demos.hacks.mozilla.org/openweb/HWACCEL/

how fast is your browser?

firefox gives me 40

with chrome I get a 4


http://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/db19y/firefox4_linux_users_left_out_of_hw_acceleration/c0ywmhp

[RedRoss]

http://demos.hacks.mozilla.org/openweb/HWACCEL/

how fast is your browser?

firefox gives me 40

with chrome I get a 4


http://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/db19y/firefox4_linux_users_left_out_of_hw_acceleration/c0ywmhp


I get 17FPS with chrome 8.0.552.224
and
7 FPS with Firefox 4.0b8

Not so amazing I must say, BUT FF finally doesn't feel like a slugish java app that can barely change tabs. So I am using FF again :)

[ivanovnegro]

After some experience with Chromium, yes, I tested the new FF, and I was pleased, its faster, looks more modern and finally not so fast as Chromium, but I see progress.

[Spr0k3t]

17 FPS with chrome 8.0.552.224
7 FPS with Firefox 4.0b8

82 FPS with Firefox 3.6.13
97 FPS with Firefox 4.0b9
13 FPS with Chromium 8.0.552.224 (68599)

Still, the test is a mozilla test so it is sure to perform better on a mozilla based browser. A real benchmark of modern (bleeding edge web) is something more along the lines of what you can find here: http://clients.futuremark.com/peacekeeper/

4850 with Firefox 4.09b
9278 with Chromium 8.0.552.224 (68599)

I still primarly use Firefox for everything.