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Scottar
August 10th, 2010, 05:37 AM
Hi, I would like to get some help on installing Ubuntu 10.04? to my hard drive which has Windows XP Pro installed- SP-3. I have already done a test boot off of a DVD. My computer is a Toshiba laptop with about 2 MB of ram.
I have already partitioned the drive into 6 partitions so windows won't formally accept another partition. I intend to install it on H: partition which has over 19 GB Free. Windows is on C: of course and has only 4.33 GB free. Should I empty this partition of all data?
If I understand correctly Ubuntu will create it's own separate boot partition. I'm thinking 3~5 GB.
And if I successfully install it, how can I un-install it if I see fit to?
Thanks
Sef
August 10th, 2010, 07:14 AM
If I understand correctly Ubuntu will create it's own separate boot partition. I'm thinking 3~5 GB.
It should be 8 - 10 gb.
I have already partitioned the drive into 6 partitions so windows won't formally accept another partition. I intend to install it on H: partition which has over 19 GB Free. Windows is on C: of course and has only 4.33 GB free. Should I empty this partition of all data?
Let's see how you partitioned the drive.
Applications > Accessories > Terminal
then copy and paste this command:
sudo fdisk -l
Copy and paste the results here.
garvinrick4
August 10th, 2010, 07:47 AM
Let Sef in post #2 help you before you start or you will be in trouble.
Put in your live CD and run in terminal like requested.
sudo fdisk -l (small L)
Copy and paste results to this thread and you will get started on right foot.
Scottar
August 10th, 2010, 07:58 AM
Ok, but I'm right in the middle of something and I may not get back until tomorrow night as I am using windows right now.
I have partitioned this computer so if you want details on that I can give you the details from explorer.
garvinrick4
August 10th, 2010, 09:07 PM
Ok, but I'm right in the middle of something and I may not get back until tomorrow night as I am using windows right now.
I have partitioned this computer so if you want details on that I can give you the details from explorer. Windows partitions would be in letters and Linux shows sda1, sda2, sda3 and so on instead of C, D, E, F and so on. When you install Linux you will use the sda #'s so give us the results of:
in linux install CD using Try ubuntu.
sudo fdisk -l
oldfred
August 10th, 2010, 11:03 PM
I typically recommend this:
1. 10-20 GB Mountpoint / primary beginning ext4(or ext3)
2. all (that you want to allocate) but 2 GB Mountpoint /home logical beginning ext3(or ext4)
3. 2 GB Mountpoint swap logical
If you have a NTFS shared data partition for data from both windows & Ubuntu you can use a smaller /home. You do not need to have separate system partitions on a standard desktop install so no /boot unless you have a real old system with BIOS limits on booting larger drives.
Full Disk install Lucid Graphical
http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/installing
Install with creating partitions screen shots
http://members.iinet.net.au/~herman546/p22.html (http://members.iinet.net.au/%7Eherman546/p22.html)
Dual Boot Win7 & Ubuntu
https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WindowsDualBoot
http://ubuntuguide.org/wiki/Ubuntu:Lucid#Dual-Booting_Windows_and_Ubuntu
Scottar
August 11th, 2010, 05:04 AM
It should be 8 - 10 gb.
Let's see how you partitioned the drive.
Applications > Accessories > Terminal
then copy and paste this command:
sudo fdisk -lCopy and paste the results here.
Here are the results:
ubuntu@ubuntu:~$ sudo fdisk -l
Disk /dev/sda: 160.0 GB, 160041885696 bytes
255 heads, 63 sectors/track, 19457 cylinders
Units = cylinders of 16065 * 512 = 8225280 bytes
Sector size (logical/physical): 512 bytes / 512 bytes
I/O size (minimum/optimal): 512 bytes / 512 bytes
Disk identifier: 0xb97eb96e
Device Boot Start End Blocks Id System
/dev/sda1 1 192 1536000 27 Unknown Partition 1 does not end on cylinder boundary.
/dev/sda2 * 193 2756 20595330 7 HPFS/NTFS
/dev/sda3 2757 19456 134142750 f W95 Ext'd (LBA)
/dev/sda5 2757 3393 5116671 7 HPFS/NTFS
/dev/sda6 3394 4668 10241406 7 HPFS/NTFS
/dev/sda7 4669 11680 56323858+ 7 HPFS/NTFS
/dev/sda8 11681 16779 40957686 7 HPFS/NTFS
/dev/sda9 16780 19456 21502971 7 HPFS/NTFS
ubuntu@ubuntu:~$
I forgot to tell you that I downloaded the 64 bit version Ubuntu while I'm using the 32 bit version of Windows XP- Pro so the drive may not be properly formated for Ubuntu 64 AMD, not sure
oldfred
August 11th, 2010, 02:11 PM
Linux cannot use NTFS for its system but can read it for data. So you will have to reformat your partitions for / (root) & /home. It may be easier to just delete and recreate with gparted from the liveCD and use manual install or jsut install and from the installer reformat.
Scottar
August 12th, 2010, 02:43 AM
Linux cannot use NTFS for its system but can read it for data. So you will have to reformat your partitions for / (root) & /home. It may be easier to just delete and recreate with gparted from the liveCD and use manual install or jsut install and from the installer reformat.
So Oldfred;
You are saying I should delete one of the Partitions that have 30 GB or more and create that space as a Ubuntu partition using gparted ?
So that would create a boot partition for ubuntu?
Could it access data from the NTFS partitions?
Thanks
oldfred
August 12th, 2010, 04:44 AM
You do not need a /boot partition but a / (root) partition.
Servers, RAID configurations, encrypted partitions and old systems that can only boot from the beginning of a hard drive may need /boot, otherwise it is just part of root.
Yes you will have to reformat at least one partition. You also should create a swap partition of 2GB or the size of RAM if you want to hibernate. Ubuntu reads & writes NTFS & FAT just fine. We still have a shared partition from when we used windows a lot. I do not recommend writing into system partitions from foreign systems unless you have to for repairs. I read from my windows but when in windows save data to the shared partition and in Ubuntu anything I might want in windows I write into the shared. The windows system partition sometimes does not like a lot of changes from others.
Windows cannot create partitions for Ubuntu as it does not know about Linux formats.
Scottar
August 12th, 2010, 10:03 AM
Oldfred;
Your not very clear about the use of gparted utility. Is this part of the Ubuntu live CD package?
Does it directly overwrite and format a targeted partition created by windows?
Is it's use self explanatory?
Can the swap partition be an existing temp partition?
It would be nice to have a link to it's exact use. Not much I can find in the docs section.
oldfred
August 12th, 2010, 06:06 PM
Some links:
Screenshots of using gparted
http://www.howtoforge.com/partitioning_with_gparted
GParted partitioning software - Full tutorial
http://www.dedoimedo.com/computers/gparted.html
https://help.ubuntu.com/community/HowtoPartition
https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WindowsDualBoot
http://guvnr.com/pc/ubuntu-partition-planning/
https://help.ubuntu.com/community/HowtoPartition/OperatingSystemsAndPartitions
https://help.ubuntu.com/community/PartitioningSchemes
Scottar
August 14th, 2010, 08:19 AM
Oldfred;
Thanks for the help.
Nice references.
http://www.dedoimedo.com/computers/gparted.html
(http://www.dedoimedo.com/computers/gparted.html)was really good.
http://guvnr.com/pc/ubuntu-partition-planning/
(http://guvnr.com/pc/ubuntu-partition-planning/)was pretty good also
I recommend the above links for anyone wanting to install Ubuntu for the first time or even modify it.
I have yet to attempt it, have some loose ends in windows to do first.
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