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Nick_Jinn
July 23rd, 2010, 10:42 AM
Also, does Cononical lose money if people switch to competing offshoots based on Ubuntu?

overdrank
July 23rd, 2010, 11:07 AM
Moved to The Community Cafe

ubunterooster
July 23rd, 2010, 11:11 AM
See: http://blogs.computerworld.com/ubuntus_shuttleworth_i_dont_think_anyone_can_make_ money_from_the_linux_desktop

Nick_Jinn
July 23rd, 2010, 11:14 AM
Thats cool.

I might end up using some of the offshoots of Ubuntu more than Ubuntu vanilla, but I might use UbuntuOne as my Cloud server because I would like to support the work they are doing for the open source community.

XubuRoxMySox
July 23rd, 2010, 12:26 PM
That blog is kinda old now. I know Canonical and Red Hat sell support (both server and desktop) and services like the music store and online backup, and perhaps the search deal with Google will make money for Ubuntu (which is why I use it alot, I want to help the project). I know that Linux Mint (based on Ubuntu and using Ubuntu repositories) is making enough money from their default Firefox Google deal for the main "developer" to quit his job and live full time from the proceeds, according to his blog.

Perhaps other distros have made (or should make) deals with search engine companies to support their projects. If Linux Mint can make a profit off of mark Shuttleworth's millions invested and Debian's years of work, why shouldn't Debian and why shouldn't Ubuntu?

I've made my home page the Ubuntu Google Search (http://start.ubuntu.com/10.04/Google/) page just to help support the project. Even when I was using Mint.

-Robin

alexan
July 23rd, 2010, 09:57 PM
http://www.ubuntu.com/support/services

eriktheblu
July 23rd, 2010, 11:40 PM
The music store and software store (I understand will be available in 10.10) are also potential revenue sources.

cariboo
July 23rd, 2010, 11:42 PM
Have a look here (http://www.workswithu.com/the-works-with-u-1000/), for a list of some of the companies that run Ubuntu.

AlphaLexman
July 24th, 2010, 12:01 AM
Have a look here (http://www.workswithu.com/the-works-with-u-1000/), for a list of some of the companies that run Ubuntu.

Did anyone notice -- 'Canonical' -- WASN'T on the list? ;)

Edit: Added smiley per request. :)

seenthelite
July 24th, 2010, 12:15 AM
Talking about money and operating systems.

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/07/23/technology/23soft.html?_r=1&ref=technology

ubunterooster
July 24th, 2010, 12:27 AM
Did anyone notice -- 'Canonical' -- WASN'T on the list?
..interesting. Also interesting is Microsoft.com being UNIX run. Maybe Canonical and MS are secretly swapping OSs ;)

cariboo
July 24th, 2010, 12:43 AM
That page is not produced by Canonical, get on the writer for not including it in the list. Have a look at this (http://searchdns.netcraft.com/?host=ubuntu.com&x=0&y=0) and this (http://searchdns.netcraft.com/?host=canonical.com&x=0&y=0) page from Netcraft (http://news.netcraft.com/)

AlphaLexman
July 24th, 2010, 12:59 AM
I wasn't being critical, sarcastic at best, trying to be funny actually.

cariboo
July 24th, 2010, 01:27 AM
If you're trying to be funny, at least use a smiley. :)

AlphaLexman
July 24th, 2010, 01:38 AM
Updated.

Nick_Jinn
July 24th, 2010, 01:39 AM
..interesting. Also interesting is Microsoft.com being UNIX run. Maybe Canonical and MS are secretly swapping OSs ;)


It would be horrible PR if Microsofts website was down because of problems with Windows....it would be worse PR than if it was circulating that a virus is shutting everything down.

Its probably good that Microsoft doesnt use Windows to host their site.

Stancel
July 24th, 2010, 02:16 AM
Canonical only gives out the individual Ubuntu CDs out for free. They sell packs of the CDs.

To see what all they sell, look at the Canonical store (http://shop.canonical.com/).

McRat
July 24th, 2010, 03:10 AM
..interesting. Also interesting is Microsoft.com being UNIX run. Maybe Canonical and MS are secretly swapping OSs ;)

Few people remember that Micro-Soft had Xenix before they had DOS.

IIRC, Microsoft was using Xenix for their internal servers before they released MS Server. They made an attempt at using MS Server for their backbone soon after it was released, but it would not scale up so they went back to what worked.

That was a long time ago. Are they running *nix today?

ubunterooster
July 24th, 2010, 03:15 AM
That was a long time ago. Are they running *nix today?
Yep, today

McRat
July 24th, 2010, 03:28 AM
Yep, today

I don't blame them a bit, or look at it as a slam against their commercial products. Microsoft probably operates about the largest network system anywhere, when you consider they need to update hundreds of millions computers with various updates, some of them over 750mb a shot (Vista SP2), it's on a scale unseen in history, and must be dead solid.

It's probably also why they want to push "the Cloud". At some point, the requirements of all those updates (which are getting bigger and bigger) will cost more than the shareholders will want to pay. If they can turn us into thin clients, updating our devices will be cheaper than it is today.

Nick_Jinn
July 24th, 2010, 03:32 AM
Are some people offended that some people have an activist spirit in regard to open source technology or a tendency of bias against the mega-corporations and their tactics? I kind of see these qualities in a positive light but some people seem bothered by that general attitude.

cariboo
July 24th, 2010, 06:06 AM
According to Netcraft (http://toolbar.netcraft.com/site_report?url=http://www.microsoft.com), Microsoft runs server 2008.

v1ad
July 24th, 2010, 07:27 AM
http://toolbar.netcraft.com/site_report?url=http://canonical.com/

canonical

murderslastcrow
July 24th, 2010, 11:50 AM
Nick_Jinn, I know exactly what you mean. It's important not to be cocky and overzealous, but to be aware of good technology and promote its use is hardly a bad idea. A lot of people seem to either shun comparison or encourage people to focus on the code and improving it rather than relishing their achievements (developers in particular).

I think this is stupid. Linux and Ubuntu are both amazing today. They do more than anyone should expect, and they're doing better and more every day. We should be grateful and willing to share it, and even if you're not the kind to share something like this with someone else, the least you can do is stop second-guessing yourself about it.

I don't think we hear as much cockiness here as other forums/sites/blogs, because Ubuntu is for newbies too, and many newbies just don't get what Linux is all about yet, so you get a lot of scrutiny and pessimism from people with unrealistic expectations.

I don't think we need to eradicate any other OS- I just think everyone should be just as aware of Linux as an option as they are of OS X being an option. And that's the main part that upsets me, people who would be using Linux had they known of it are deprived of it.

I know this because most of my family members and many of my friends use it happily now, and you have to think of how long we were all entirely unaware, even the computer-oriented types. How much time and, in my case, money we lost due to crappy software from people motivated by money and kept from innovating too much by their customers who needed a stable, backwards-compatible OS.

So yeah, I think it's great to boast something's good features, as well as staying aware of opportunities to improve the weak points at the same time. If you just focus on niggling bugs all the time, you're missing out on how great it all really is. It's insulting to all those peoples' work to play it down so much.

Nick_Jinn
July 24th, 2010, 12:07 PM
I am still a noob compared to most of you, but I have probably done over a hundred installations of linux just for myself. Maybe more. I dont think of myself as very knowledgeable at all, but some other people do. Being able to save their data (with linux) from a corrupted windows system, put it on an external hard drive for them, and set up a Linux operating system (or dual boot if they kept the installation disk and they have room) is what I do....I only charge $40, but I usually get $20 to $40 in tips. I enjoy doing it, and I am helping spread Linux.

This forum is where get my education though. I am using all of you as my university.