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Sporkman
July 22nd, 2010, 02:46 PM
Very long, but a good read...

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/07/25/magazine/25privacy-t2.html?pagewanted=1&_r=1&partner=rss&emc=rss


We’ve known for years that the Web allows for unprecedented voyeurism, exhibitionism and inadvertent indiscretion, but we are only beginning to understand the costs of an age in which so much of what we say, and of what others say about us, goes into our permanent — and public — digital files. The fact that the Internet never seems to forget is threatening, at an almost existential level, our ability to control our identities; to preserve the option of reinventing ourselves and starting anew; to overcome our checkered pasts.

In a recent book, “Delete: The Virtue of Forgetting in the Digital Age,” the cyberscholar Viktor Mayer-Schönberger cites Stacy Snyder’s case as a reminder of the importance of “societal forgetting.” By “erasing external memories,” he says in the book, “our society accepts that human beings evolve over time, that we have the capacity to learn from past experiences and adjust our behavior.” In traditional societies, where missteps are observed but not necessarily recorded, the limits of human memory ensure that people’s sins are eventually forgotten. By contrast, Mayer-Schönberger notes, a society in which everything is recorded “will forever tether us to all our past actions, making it impossible, in practice, to escape them.” He concludes that “without some form of forgetting, forgiving becomes a difficult undertaking.”...

Bachstelze
July 22nd, 2010, 03:01 PM
This is not entirely true. Even before the Internet, there were books, newspapers, etc., that could act as a record of one's past actions. The Internet probably amplified this, but it did not create it. For example, French Prime Minister Jospin endured some fierce critics from the opposition right-wing when his Trotskyist past came to light while he was in office. At the time, there wasn't the Internet.

Sporkman
July 22nd, 2010, 03:06 PM
This is not entirely true. Even before the Internet, there were books, newspapers, etc., that could act as a record of one's past actions. The Internet probably amplified this, but it did not create it. For example, French Prime Minister Jospin endured some fierce critics from the opposition right-wing when his Trotskyist past came to light while he was in office. At the time, there wasn't the Internet.

But the day-to-day sort of indiscretions that we commit weren't routinely recorded in books, newspapers, & official records, unlike now where every single misstep is stored for years, available to any future employer, etc, who looks for it.

And even with books, newspapers, etc - those degraded over time, as books get out of print, records get lost, destroyed, or decayed, etc.

Bachstelze
July 22nd, 2010, 03:20 PM
And even with books, newspapers, etc - those degraded over time, as books get out of print, records get lost, destroyed, or decayed, etc.

Equally true on the Internet: hosting companies get out of business, accounts expire, hard drives die of old age,...

Dragonbite
July 22nd, 2010, 03:31 PM
This is not entirely true. Even before the Internet, there were books, newspapers, etc., that could act as a record of one's past actions. The Internet probably amplified this, but it did not create it. For example, French Prime Minister Jospin endured some fierce critics from the opposition right-wing when his Trotskyist past came to light while he was in office. At the time, there wasn't the Internet.

Only to those that could get their writings (or indiscretions ;) ) published. The internet allows people unprecedented access to the medium that not long ago required getting approval of a Publisher or Editor to get printed.

McRat
July 22nd, 2010, 05:06 PM
What is just as disturbing is that the internet has always been a forum for strange ideas and stranger interpretations of current events.

Not only will events never be forgotten, but even things that are wildly untrue won't be forgotten either.

But there have always been skeletons in the closets, and there has always been mistakes in history books.

Something to ponder, the age of history books and history classes will end. It will be in video on YouTube, true or false.