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lovinglinux
July 1st, 2010, 07:43 AM
Edit:

This thread was created when the fate of the statusbar was unclear. Now is kind of pointless.

The new add-on bar does a better job for extensions and if you want the functionality of statusbar back, use Status-4-Evar: https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/235283/

NMFTM
July 1st, 2010, 07:58 AM
I tried to use Chrome, and even though it crashes less than Firefox I don't like it because of the "clean" interface. No menu (file, edit, view, etc) bar, no status bar, only two buttons. I'm sure I could find a way to modify it to include those things and behave more like Firefox. But I'm pretty lazy when it comes to certain things.

What's the huge deal with saving a few pixels of screen space in an age where the size of monitors is constantly going up and the price is constantly coming down? I'm currently using a 22" widescreen at 1680x1050 and theirs plenty of room.

The only wasteful thing Firefox includes by default is the bookmarks bar, which I've always removed. But, it's easy to remove and doing so doesn't in any impact your ability to browse the web.

Tech2077
July 1st, 2010, 08:10 AM
I actually am all for this, i like having all my pixels, since i coded asm bootloaders to the chromium browser that i use it's daily build.

Linye
July 1st, 2010, 08:14 AM
Don't you think there will be an add-on for a status bar?

lovinglinux
July 1st, 2010, 08:22 AM
Don't you think there will be an add-on for a status bar?

If they remove the functionality from the extension API, then no.

chessnerd
July 1st, 2010, 08:33 AM
By default, Firefox's status bar does nothing but show the status (which is usually "Done"). So I can understand why the developers would see it as sort of superfluous. However, I know of several extensions that utilize this space and that are very useful, so I can definitely see where you are coming from.

So, on the one hand, I agree with you. The status bar can be very valuable for adding functionality. For example, in Opera, the status bar controls Opera Link, Opera Unite, Opera Turbo, the side panel, and the zoom function, as well as providing status info. That is just the default, it can also be customized to provide more or less info, and even be removed.

On the other hand, most browsers, including Opera, are pushing for a lighter interface. Opera's top interface now is just as compact as Chrome's. If it wasn't for the status bar, the two interfaces would be identical in size. Firefox, on the other hand, takes up nearly twice as much space by default. I have 2 computers in my house, still in regular use, that use the older 1024 x 768 resolution. This makes the screen space a lot more valuable.

Honestly though, I don't care what Firefox does with its default interface. If it wants to win me back, it needs to boast performance to meet Chrome and Opera. The hardware acceleration in Firefox 4 will help, sure, but even then I don't know if it will be able to match the speed of its competitors. Even IE9 looks like it might outperform it if the Platform Previews are any indication of the final product.

Focus on what goes on under the hood first, and then worry about what color you want to paint the car...

Stancel
July 1st, 2010, 08:46 AM
I think Chrome will become as popular if not more popular than Firefox in the future.

The Mozilla Foundation dominated the non-IE browser share but they can't win against Google. That's why.

But the reason I use Chrome is I like it better than Firefox. I didn't like the unique interface either at first but now I'm used to it. It's not because I love Google or anything. Although you can't deny a huge number of people use their services....which now includes YouTube. Every visitor to YouTube sees something telling them to install Chrome. That will only increase its popularity.

Sand & Mercury
July 1st, 2010, 08:49 AM
Less chrome is awesome. If they can somehow get it down to absolutely none and still have it intuitive to use, then great.

Sorry OP but I pretty much completely disagree with your position.

Warpnow
July 1st, 2010, 09:00 AM
After using chrome, I find Firefox's interface is frustrating to use. Most people who sue chrome for a decent period of time will likely come to a similar conclusion. Its not that its better, its just that you get more space, and going from more space to less makes you feel like you're scrolling more.

23dornot23d
July 1st, 2010, 09:21 AM
I like choice .... addons .... and customization ......

Basic browsers have always come and gone and are basic to make them faster ...... some people like tidy some people like cluttered .....

I like Firefox because you can have it whichever way you want .........

Turn off the tool bars if you don't like them .......

( Its only problem no curves ..... we need new design looks - the square look, is too dated )

Much more customization ........... in Firefox ..........
To throw away all the addons people have ever wrote to have
Chrome a basic Browser ...... not for me .......

Google Chrome takes me back at least 10 years to where people were producing basic - fast browsers but all browsers that survive have lots more to them ......
Basic Browsers are for people that have basic setups and slow computers ........ and small screens ...
People change and so do there setups ......

:guitar: the music played on as we regress .. to the BASIC future ..:lolflag:


PDF's (http://googlesystem.blogspot.com/2010/06/built-in-pdf-reader-for-google-chrome.html) and a RSS news readers

Wizz News reader (http://www.wizzrss.com/) ........ Firefox only ....... sorry .....

Basics ...... but they are getting there ,,, be fantastic soon ......

Who needs any more than these ,,,,,,

To see the latest News from places I want to look ...... and open PDF's to view instantly

coming soon ......

Organization is up to the individual .... but I find if I need to find anything in a hurry ,,,,, I use Firefox

I like Google Chrome for playing Scrabble on using Facebook though, so it is being used ,,,,,,,, :)

Warpnow
July 1st, 2010, 10:57 AM
Heh, Chrome has lots of add ons...maybe not as many as firefox, but LOTS. Most of Firefox's add-ons have now been ported to chrome.

Its just, you know, a less buggy, more stable, more clean, less cluttered version of Firefox.

madnessjack
July 1st, 2010, 11:26 AM
Depends on the kind of person you all. Because we all use Ubuntu, we're conscious about our computer's operating system, and we've all probably gone through a process to change it. We know why we've done it and we all have different reasons.

Average Joe couldn't give a crap. As long as it works, and he surf the web without a perceivable problem, he doesn't care if his bookmarks aren't organised by folder or year or genre or whatever, thus caring less for customisation.

23dornot23d
July 1st, 2010, 12:49 PM
PDF's (http://googlesystem.blogspot.com/2010/06/built-in-pdf-reader-for-google-chrome.html) and a RSS news readers

Wizz News reader (http://www.wizzrss.com/) ........ Firefox only ....... sorry .....

Basics ...... but they are getting there ,,, be fantastic soon ......

Who needs any more than these ,,,,,,

To see the latest News from places I want to look ...... and open PDF's to view instantly

coming soon ......

Organization is up to the individual .... but I find if I need to find anything in a hurry ,,,,, I use Firefox

I like Google Chrome for playing Scrabble on using Facebook though, so it is being used ,,,,,,,, :)

23dornot23d
July 1st, 2010, 12:52 PM
(http://googlesystem.blogspot.com/2010/06/built-in-pdf-reader-for-google-chrome.html)

23dornot23d
July 1st, 2010, 12:56 PM
(http://googlesystem.blogspot.com/2010/06/built-in-pdf-reader-for-google-chrome.html)

23dornot23d
July 1st, 2010, 12:58 PM
(http://googlesystem.blogspot.com/2010/06/built-in-pdf-reader-for-google-chrome.html)

Spr0k3t
July 1st, 2010, 01:54 PM
The thing that amazes me the most regarding firefox and chrome... I keep hearing of people who have switched over to chrome due to crashing and speed problems. I guess I'm just really lucky as I've only experienced crashing with firefox on windows and the guy had a carpload of add-ons. Speed wise, I don't see any differences.

As for changing the interface around... get rid of the status bar, but keep the menu. The lack of a standard menu is one of the reasons why I am not a fan of chrome/chromium. If I need more pixels for reading a web site, I can always hit F11.

KdotJ
July 1st, 2010, 03:06 PM
I'm all for chrome/chromium. I believe it will overtake firefox and all non-IE browsers out there. I personally love the clean interface, chrome does not miss out things, they just have to be found. I like the fact that chrome's status bar only shows when it is doing something, and not always there just taking up space. I also love some of the chrome extensions (although admittedly the same as firefox's add-ons).

Just my 2 pence...

McRat
July 1st, 2010, 05:11 PM
I found my first problem with Chrome the other day, and reported it.

On some drop box menus Chrome is unable to select the listed items. On the same site, Safari, Firefox, and IE all work, and it affects Win/Linux/OS X.

I'm still using Chrome, but now I know I can't just have one browser. The site is actually a router interface, and is a critical app for me.

lovinglinux
July 1st, 2010, 05:37 PM
Firefox 4.0b2pre is available at http://nightly.mozilla.org

If you want to test it without interfering with your default version and user profile, then use FoxTester (http://foxtester-extension.blogspot.com/) extension.

For more info on how to install other versions of Firefox see the Installing Other Versions (http://firefox-tutorials.blogspot.com/2010/05/installing-other-versions.html) tutorial.

prodigy_
July 1st, 2010, 06:29 PM
I like classic UIs more. With menu and status bars, you know.

spupy
July 1st, 2010, 07:58 PM
I switched from firefox to chromium some time ago. The reason was, that after long customization and plugins, I noticed that I made firefox look a lot like chromium (not style-wise, but regarding the browser UI). Somehow chromium really fits the way I use a browser. If I were to design a browser, I would make it like chromium, and not like any other browser. Everything is where I need it and I don't miss anything. (well, apart from vimperator :( )

NightwishFan
July 1st, 2010, 08:31 PM
Chrome is an upstart. I really do not see what it offers over any other browser. For all intents and purposes I prefer Firefox, and definately Epiphany, which is like a direct Gnome extension to the web.

Shining Arcanine
July 1st, 2010, 09:12 PM
I like the old Internet Explorer 6 inspired GUI. I would prefer it if they either kept it or let people choose between the two, with the original GUI being supported in future versions.

irrdev
July 1st, 2010, 09:16 PM
I absolutely love Chrome and its lack of chrome (no pun intended!) Ultimately, a web browser is for viewing websites and maximizing screen real estate. I agree that extensions are equally important, but there are better ways to implement them than what Firefox has done in the past. For example, you can integrate the website status into the address bar (Rekonq uses this), while icons/statuses for extensions can be placed in the toolbar (Chrome + Rekonq do this). It's the best of both worlds. I'm delighted that Firefox appears to be adopting this simplified GUI design for 4.0; it might actually convince me to switch back to FF from Chrome.

Timmer1240
July 1st, 2010, 11:19 PM
I use google chrome and luving it still have firefox as a standby but chrome is my mainstay!

scouser73
July 2nd, 2010, 12:09 AM
Firefox is an amazing browser, but since Google Chrome came out with it's minimal interface and it's blazingly fast speed then obviously people will adapt that as their browser. Mozilla need to change or they will suffer and that is a shame but I would think it's a case of supply and demand to users these days.

Superkoop
July 2nd, 2010, 12:19 AM
I've switched from Firefox to Chrome, simply because of the reason you don't want Firefox to change. I changed firefox to look like Chrome looks some time ago, then considering Chrome's speed and better rendering abilities (usually) I switched over as soon as Google officially supported Linux.
I hope Firefox changes, and maybe if it's just as fast (which I doubt gecko every will be) I'll switch back. Until then, I'm happy with Chrome, and I'm not moving. =]

lovinglinux
July 2nd, 2010, 12:20 AM
Looks like the status bar will remain in Firefox 4, but will be hidden by default. Nevertheless, it will be replaced by an add-ons bar in a future version, that will be visible only if add-ons that use it are installed.

NightwishFan
July 2nd, 2010, 12:22 AM
Everyone (especially google) talks about the amazing speed. I really do not see it. It just feels like webkit to me.

smellyman
July 2nd, 2010, 12:59 AM
Everyone (especially google) talks about the amazing speed. I really do not see it. It just feels like webkit to me.

All the "speed tests" don't really translate to real world for me either.

In my not so scientific tests too. Chrome/iums use way more ram with the same tabs open.

plus it is ugly..

plus it won't do zoom text only (a must for me)

lovinglinux
July 2nd, 2010, 01:00 AM
all the "speed tests" don't really translate to real world for me either.

In my not so scientific tests too. Chrome/iums use way more ram with the same tabs open.

Plus it is ugly..

Plus it won't do zoom text only (a must for me)

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NightwishFan
July 2nd, 2010, 01:13 AM
+1 I agree. I also do not see why they assume flash will work better on it as well. That is not my experience.

I will not discourage folks from using it, but I will not recommend it. At the very most I will inform them of other Webkit based browsers. I hope that it does not become the main deal for the Ubuntu Netbook Edition.

cgroza
July 2nd, 2010, 01:21 AM
+1 I agree. I also do not see why they assume flash will work better on it as well. That is not my experience.

I will not discourage folks from using it, but I will not recommend it. At the very most I will inform them of other Webkit based browsers. I hope that it does not become the main deal for the Ubuntu Netbook Edition.

Well, for me flash works far better on Firefox than Chrome! Some videos actually never play in Chrome while in FF play.

dragos240
July 2nd, 2010, 01:26 AM
If people don't like it:
http://www.faqs.org/photo-dict/photofiles/list/276/2157fork.jpg

Simian Man
July 2nd, 2010, 01:26 AM
Plus in Chrome for Linux, you can't scroll pages by clicking the middle mouse button and moving the mouse up and down. True in Firefox you have to resort to about:config to make it work, but at least you can.

cgroza
July 2nd, 2010, 01:28 AM
Plus in Chrome for Linux, you can't scroll pages by clicking the middle mouse button and moving the mouse up and down. True in Firefox you have to resort to about:config to make it work, but at least you can.

I love that feature!

bunburya
July 2nd, 2010, 01:31 AM
As it happens I don't really use add-ons at the moment so I'm really not getting as much out of Firefox as I could be (can anyone recommend some helpful ones?) but I totally agree that Firefox's chrome elements are helpful and should remain. I tried to use Chrome but it just seemed less intuitive to me than Firefox. I like Firefox's UI, I like everything being right there in front of me and even though I don't properly utilise it I like the idea of customisability (which I will eventually take advantage of). I'm all for maximizing screen space but F11 full screens it anyway so I don't see the issue there.

cgroza
July 2nd, 2010, 01:34 AM
For me Chrome is confusing. The menus are not intuitive at all and the first time i used it i had problems deleting the cookies because i couldn't find the menu entry! Call me blind but in FF is right under tools! And also: Does Chrome has a Private Browsing mode?

lovinglinux
July 2nd, 2010, 02:29 AM
As it happens I don't really use add-ons at the moment so I'm really not getting as much out of Firefox as I could be (can anyone recommend some helpful ones?)

* Speed & Performance (https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/collection/speedandperformance)
* Interface & Usability (https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/collection/interface_and_usability)
* Security & Privacy (https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/collection/securityandprivacy)
* Tools & Features (https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/collection/tools_and_features)
* Media Center (https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/collection/mediacenter)

You can find the ones I develop here (https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/collection/made_in_my_basement) or in my blog (http://lovinglinuxblog.blogspot.com). There are some specifically for Ubuntu users.


Does Chrome has a Private Browsing mode?

Yes. It's called "Incognito" mode.

bunburya
July 2nd, 2010, 03:26 AM
* Speed & Performance (https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/collection/speedandperformance)
* Interface & Usability (https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/collection/interface_and_usability)
* Security & Privacy (https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/collection/securityandprivacy)
* Tools & Features (https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/collection/tools_and_features)
* Media Center (https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/collection/mediacenter)

You can find the ones I develop here (https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/collection/made_in_my_basement) or in my blog (http://lovinglinuxblog.blogspot.com). There are some specifically for Ubuntu users.



Yes. It's called "Incognito" mode.
Thank you!

NightwishFan
July 2nd, 2010, 03:40 AM
Use the ones under speed and performance carefully. They may even cause issues with performance.

lovinglinux
July 2nd, 2010, 03:46 AM
Use the ones under speed and performance carefully. They may even cause issues with performance.

Yes, specially Fasterfox.

Legendary_Bibo
July 2nd, 2010, 03:48 AM
I know a lot of people don't like having the bookmarks menu open all the time, but that was what my beef with chrome was. I've never had a side scroller bar for any of the websites I frequently visit, and I like having the bookmarks menu open at all times because it's just easier. I use Opera too for that reason. Although what I liked about Opera's bookmark menu was that it alphabetized my bookmarks. Which come to think of it I never bothered to look for an add-on for firefox. Another thing is that I love all the add ons for firefox. There's more I'd like to explore, but I see too many generic "does this miniscule functionality for so and so". I do like greasemonkey though.

23dornot23d
July 2nd, 2010, 06:51 AM
The addons that I usually use ..... don't work in Chromium

Cooliris ........................... does not work in Chromium ....
Stumbleupon ................... only half works
Autopager ....................... although it installs cannot get it working in Stumbleupon
Wizz Rss News Reader ...... does not work as I said previously
PDFs ................................ don't open
Firebug ............................. do they have anything similar even ..... ?


I thought I must be missing something good so installed chromium to have another look .......
but its not half as good as Firefox .....

I am in France ..... so it automatically puts everything in French for me ....
would be great if I understood fluent French .......

How do you set it to English .....

Took me a while to find how to set the homepage on it to the English Google search Engine ...

Not for me yet, the lack of addons and being totally in French ....... its of no benefit to me whatsoever ......

Advertising ....... and corporate BS must be selling this to people .....

bigsmitty64
July 2nd, 2010, 07:34 AM
Plus in Chrome for Linux, you can't scroll pages by clicking the middle mouse button and moving the mouse up and down. True in Firefox you have to resort to about:config to make it work, but at least you can.

PLEASE tell me where in about:config to do this!! I didn't think it worked in LInux. (7 months no middle click drag!!)

Oh and just to keep on topic. I'm with the, "keep the status bar" camp, if only for the url preview.

Redo
July 2nd, 2010, 07:49 AM
Plus in Chrome for Linux, you can't scroll pages by clicking the middle mouse button and moving the mouse up and down. True in Firefox you have to resort to about:config to make it work, but at least you can.


There's an option to enable it in Firefox without resorting to the about:config

Edit->Preferences->Advanced->"Enable Autoscrolling"

bigsmitty64
July 2nd, 2010, 07:59 AM
I guess I can chalk this day up to "feeling like an idiot!" haha! Thanks man. I have missed my auto scroll, can't believe I didn't find that!

EDIT: I remember being told that it was an issue with Linux's compatibility with the mouse drivers! So I never bothered looking around.

Simian Man
July 2nd, 2010, 02:34 PM
There's an option to enable it in Firefox without resorting to the about:config

Edit->Preferences->Advanced->"Enable Autoscrolling"

Thanks for that. Just for reference, to do it with about:config you set "general.autoscroll" to true and "middlemouse.contentLoadURL" to false. But the actual preferences is easier.

bigsmitty64
July 2nd, 2010, 05:52 PM
to do it with about:config you set "general.autoscroll" to true and "middlemouse.contentLoadURL" to false. But the actual preferences is easier.

Thank you, dually noted. :)

RiceMonster
July 2nd, 2010, 06:27 PM
IMO this will be a reason for me to consider going back to Firefox again. I love the clean and minimal interface in Chrome. While a lot of people hate it, I also like that it creates a new process for each tab. The only thing that makes me want to go back is that Firefox's Adblock is better than Chrome's. I hope this version gets some integration with Windows 7 as well (like a jumplist).

BigCityCat
July 2nd, 2010, 06:39 PM
I like Firefox for several reason. Noscript gives me the ability to block the script I want which improves security and privacy. Chrome is all or nothing when blocking script. Ablocking in Chrome is only hiding not blocking. Privacy, because I don't want Google tracking me. Plus why use Chrome when you can use SrWare Iron. Srware is an exact clone without the privacy concerns. There are only two reasons to use Chrome. One is the way it looks. Firefox's new UI will fix that, and the Sandbox. I'm not sure but I would like to see a sandbox add on for Firefox. I notice no difference in speed, and even if there is a difference it's not apparent to me. Plus I think Firefox is supposed to speed things up a bit with 4.0.

Theft42
July 2nd, 2010, 07:20 PM
I have never really used firefox after it ate my memory and started crashing... I have been addicted to the Opera Browser for quite some time now.. So i would have to say firefox should improve performance but I do like the clean look for browsers.