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bluelamp999
March 30th, 2010, 12:29 AM
Apologies if this has already been posted...

From BoingBoing - http://www.boingboing.net/2010/03/29/microsoft-trying-to.html

Chris Edgell
March 30th, 2010, 01:04 AM
I went and read the article and ran into two of my pet peeves. 1) they implore you to write to the board of commissioners and give you NO address -- no clue. 2) wnen I tried to register to comment they made the "encoded" words so impossible to read that I simply clicked away.

Still, here I sit watching our country debate of changes to broadband. It also has a chilling effect.

And, still, thank you for telling about it.

_h_
March 30th, 2010, 01:08 AM
Open Source isn't only under attack in Europe, it's under attack in the United States as well. Our government is trying to make up a law that makes open source = piracy. :(

iRiUX
March 30th, 2010, 10:33 AM
Open Source isn't only under attack in Europe, it's under attack in the United States as well. Our government is trying to make up a law that makes open source = piracy. :(

Worse than that, the US is at the brink of labeling open-source as terrorism.

Laxman_prodigy
March 30th, 2010, 11:03 AM
Worse than that, the US is at the brink of labeling open-source as terrorism.


This is very embarrassing. So, it's saying, "We won't be having Linux in the near future."

How is "Open Source" piracy? And, how is it terrorism?

handy
March 30th, 2010, 11:41 AM
I doubt the FSF & such will lay down without a damn good fight.

I don't think such a law will make it through really.

Laxman_prodigy
March 30th, 2010, 01:52 PM
I doubt the FSF & such will lay down without a damn good fight.

I don't think such a law will make it through really.


Hmm. Actually, how is open source "Piracy" or "Terrorism"? I am really confused.

_h_
March 30th, 2010, 01:57 PM
And, how is it terrorism?

A part of terrorism is designed to cause extreme disruptions in the economy. Open Source getting larger and more popularity means the corporations of this country start losing money and in essence can start going out of business causing so called "economic" disruption, hence an act of terrorism.

At least that's how it seems to be.

Chame_Wizard
March 30th, 2010, 01:57 PM
If Free and Open Source Software is piracy/terrorism,then the entire Internet population and governments departments/educations/nonprofit-organizations/companies etc who are using FOSS,are also copyright infringements/terrorists.:popcorn:

_h_
March 30th, 2010, 02:00 PM
If Free and Open Source Software is piracy/terrorism,then the entire Internet population and governments departments/educations/nonprofit-organizations/companies etc who are using FOSS,are also copyright infringements/terrorists.:popcorn:
If they are lobbying the government officials, they can get away with anything sadly.

And as it stands, it seems to only be in Europe and the United States at the time that this open source piracy may occur, not the entire world.

handy
March 30th, 2010, 02:01 PM
There are plenty of businesses based on FOSS. Red Hat is a prime example.

sydbat
March 30th, 2010, 02:04 PM
Unless I see other, corresponding articles (links please), I call the OP's link FUD.

_h_
March 30th, 2010, 02:07 PM
Unless I see other, corresponding articles (links please), I call the OP's link FUD.

Here is the article relating to the United States:

http://www.cyberciti.biz/tips/arrrggg-open-source-users-are-pirates.html


US lobby group is trying to get the US government to consider open source as the equivalent to piracy i.e. if you use open source software you are a pirate and that makes you an enemy of the state.

However, US goverment does use FOSS based solutions. The SELinux can be traced to several earlier projects by the U.S. National Security Agency (http://www.nsa.gov/research/selinux/index.shtml), The drupal powers many US government sites including Obama administration Drupal based website. Hollywood use Linux to create eye catching 3D movies. American companies such as Sun, Redhat, Oracle, IBM, Google, and many others profits handsomely using FOSS.

EDIT: And another article from the Guardian blog:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/blog/2010/feb/23/opensource-intellectual-property

And while I'm at it, the Anti-Counterfeiting Trade Agreement (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-Counterfeiting_Trade_Agreement) also threatens a large portion of the world.

sydbat
March 30th, 2010, 02:22 PM
Here is the article relating to the United States:

http://www.cyberciti.biz/tips/arrrggg-open-source-users-are-pirates.html



EDIT: And another article from the Guardian blog:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/blog/2010/feb/23/opensource-intellectual-property

And while I'm at it, the Anti-Counterfeiting Trade Agreement (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-Counterfeiting_Trade_Agreement) also threatens a large portion of the world.Thanks. Also - AY CARUMBA!!

EDIT - The Guardian Article also states that Canada is on this BS 'special 301 watchlist'. The article linked there has this interesting quote from the Canadian government from previous years of inclusion in the '301'
The Government is disappointed with the United States' decision to include Canada in its [year here] Special 301 "Watch List." Canada does not recognize the Special 301 process due to its lacking of reliable and objective analysis, and we have raised this issue regularly with the U.S. in our bilateral discussions.This is how everyone in the world should treat this kind of garbage.

Makes you wonder what they are all scared of.

Laxman_prodigy
March 30th, 2010, 02:53 PM
Here is the article relating to the United States:

http://www.cyberciti.biz/tips/arrrggg-open-source-users-are-pirates.html



EDIT: And another article from the Guardian blog:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/blog/2010/feb/23/opensource-intellectual-property

And while I'm at it, the Anti-Counterfeiting Trade Agreement (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-Counterfeiting_Trade_Agreement) also threatens a large portion of the world.

I don't understand. How is "FOSS" piracy?

As I see it, it is just equivalent to research and learning.

_h_
March 30th, 2010, 03:01 PM
I don't understand. How is "FOSS" piracy?

Why are you asking me? I am against this and so are millions and millions of others. If you want to ask someone, ask my government. They are the idiots trying to push all this into law with their corporate buddies in their pockets.

spoons
March 30th, 2010, 03:02 PM
Now here's the question:

WHAT ARE YOU PUNKS GONNA DO ABOUT IT? ;)

_h_
March 30th, 2010, 03:05 PM
Now here's the question:

WHAT ARE YOU PUNKS GONNA DO ABOUT IT? ;)

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Laxman_prodigy
March 30th, 2010, 03:12 PM
Why are you asking me? I am against this and so are millions and millions of others. If you want to ask someone, ask my government. They are the idiots trying to push all this into law with their corporate buddies in their pockets.


Oh sorry for that. I was just trying to figure that one out. :)

caravel
March 30th, 2010, 03:20 PM
It's utter nonsense.

spoons
March 30th, 2010, 03:22 PM
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sdowney717
March 30th, 2010, 03:31 PM
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If anyone doubts the ultimate intentions of Microsoft I feel sorry for you.

Doctor Mike
March 30th, 2010, 03:34 PM
Now here's the question:

WHAT ARE YOU PUNKS GONNA DO ABOUT IT? ;)Well pissing off a minority of very sophisticated computer users who have access to powerful tools is very stupid.

The NSA would not be able to function without those and other similar tools. Not that I like the NSA, but it may be hard for the US to do without it...