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March 10th, 2006, 11:31 PM
Ok. I posted something on aysiu's "we need an addon cd" thread. I believed the addon CD needed the w32codecs, but aysiu didnt want that because he thought it was illegal. I said I heard that the patent holders didnt care if they were used for normal use, and kassetra (or atleast I think it was her) turned my post into a thread and put it in the backyard. I will try to sum up all the fragments of conversations into this post.
Oh, and before I begin, WHY must you get the last say in, then lock the thread so I cant reply?
so if you just wanted to post this to stirr things up a little until someone proved your wrong
No, it is you and some others that seem to like to stirr up trouble.
(Is it even spelled "stirr"? heh, anyway)
Read our Guidelines, as a staff member and an administrator, she's allowed to split threads as she feels needed.
I am well aware she can do that, but is it right? And all I was doing was making sure that people knew I just didnt decide to make a random topic about w32codecs and post it in the backyard.
Especially since your posts had nothing to do with the original topic, and many people asked to have your posts split out completely.
My posts were very much about the original topic. The topic was about aysiu's extras CD, and he didnt include the codecs because he thought they were illegal. I was trying to say how the patent holders didnt care if you used them for normal use, in hopes of trying to persuade him to include them.
Explain to me how that wasnt on the original topic.
That's why kassetra and now me is telling you to zip it and document yourself before posting things solely for your entertainment.
You think I have fun with you people yelling at me all the time and using admin powers to stop me from saying my point of the story back?
Over my time on here I have witnissed these forums get worse and worse. If anyone has an opinion different from the staff, or has heard something different, the staff will use their admin/mod powers to stop them. I cannot honestly believe how people could act like this. It is getting so bad, to the point that I am considering not even putting ubuntu on my new computer because if something goes wrong I dont want to have to come back here for help, for fear of the staff being really mean and rude and unfair towards me.
In response to kassetra's PM back to me:
3. If you had bothered reading the policies at all, you would see that when topics drift threads get split; when people ask for a thread to be split because specific posts have nothing to do with the thread, a thread is split. I split many threads a day, yours is not the only one.
The topic did not drift. I was talking about the illegality, or lack thereof, of the w32codecs, because I wanted them in the addon cd.
2. I am following the rules, which you have either refused to read or are unwilling to read before you accuse me of not following them, again.
No, you are not following the rules.
"2. The most important part of the Ubuntu CoC: Be polite. "
You are the exact opposite of polite to me.
1. I have extensive experience with attorneys and lawyers while I have been working on legislation for open source software. This isn't something I've HEARD. This is the law, and I know it. So do all of the major distributions. You really need to read before you accuse. They don't include the codecs because it is illegal for them to do so. Period. End of story. There is nothing to be right or wrong about what someone thinks or hears - the law is the law.
The law has nothing to do with the fact that the owners of the codecs dont mind them being used for normal personal use.
5. If you don't like where the forums are headed, that is because you refuse to read the policies, understand what is and is not allowed, believe that everyone is picking on you and refuse to take responsibility for your own actions.
No, it is because you (and some other staff) seem to think that your opinion is ultimate.
Whatever you decide, your choice will affect your stay on these forums, plain and simple. I suggest you read the rules and see what it is you agreed to follow before you created your account.
Ive read the rules and the only ones I have broken are:
* Never use leet-speak or slang. The purpose of language is being understood, not sounding cool.
Which ive used 1337 speak on a couple ocasions, but as a joke.
* Never use colors in all of your posts. Colors are there to highlight something important.
I posted one post in 3 colours making a point against someone else who posted a big portion of their posts in that topic in colours.
Any disputes you have with the moderation team should be brought up in a pm to a moderator or administrator.
I normally PM people, but the problem is so fragmented (Especially with you guys locking the thread that it was in) that I decided to post here. And I believe that rule came before the resolution center.
Oh, and kassetra, your reply didnt even address the main point.
Oh, and whenever I said "Staff" in my post there, I meant the staff who are causing the trouble.
Oh, and incase I forgot to say why, the reason why I posted this is I didnt want to have to keep up one conversation while PMing a couple people, I could have used the thread kassetra started from my post, but someone just had to have the last say then locked it.
Oh, and while kassetra and bored2k seem to think I am trying to annoy them and stuff, they are the exact opposite: if anyone is trying to annoy anyone it is them trying to annoy me -.-
Oh, and I want this thread to be a calm discussion about this, and also with no meddling with admin powers, please.
Oh, and before I begin, WHY must you get the last say in, then lock the thread so I cant reply?
so if you just wanted to post this to stirr things up a little until someone proved your wrong
No, it is you and some others that seem to like to stirr up trouble.
(Is it even spelled "stirr"? heh, anyway)
Read our Guidelines, as a staff member and an administrator, she's allowed to split threads as she feels needed.
I am well aware she can do that, but is it right? And all I was doing was making sure that people knew I just didnt decide to make a random topic about w32codecs and post it in the backyard.
Especially since your posts had nothing to do with the original topic, and many people asked to have your posts split out completely.
My posts were very much about the original topic. The topic was about aysiu's extras CD, and he didnt include the codecs because he thought they were illegal. I was trying to say how the patent holders didnt care if you used them for normal use, in hopes of trying to persuade him to include them.
Explain to me how that wasnt on the original topic.
That's why kassetra and now me is telling you to zip it and document yourself before posting things solely for your entertainment.
You think I have fun with you people yelling at me all the time and using admin powers to stop me from saying my point of the story back?
Over my time on here I have witnissed these forums get worse and worse. If anyone has an opinion different from the staff, or has heard something different, the staff will use their admin/mod powers to stop them. I cannot honestly believe how people could act like this. It is getting so bad, to the point that I am considering not even putting ubuntu on my new computer because if something goes wrong I dont want to have to come back here for help, for fear of the staff being really mean and rude and unfair towards me.
In response to kassetra's PM back to me:
3. If you had bothered reading the policies at all, you would see that when topics drift threads get split; when people ask for a thread to be split because specific posts have nothing to do with the thread, a thread is split. I split many threads a day, yours is not the only one.
The topic did not drift. I was talking about the illegality, or lack thereof, of the w32codecs, because I wanted them in the addon cd.
2. I am following the rules, which you have either refused to read or are unwilling to read before you accuse me of not following them, again.
No, you are not following the rules.
"2. The most important part of the Ubuntu CoC: Be polite. "
You are the exact opposite of polite to me.
1. I have extensive experience with attorneys and lawyers while I have been working on legislation for open source software. This isn't something I've HEARD. This is the law, and I know it. So do all of the major distributions. You really need to read before you accuse. They don't include the codecs because it is illegal for them to do so. Period. End of story. There is nothing to be right or wrong about what someone thinks or hears - the law is the law.
The law has nothing to do with the fact that the owners of the codecs dont mind them being used for normal personal use.
5. If you don't like where the forums are headed, that is because you refuse to read the policies, understand what is and is not allowed, believe that everyone is picking on you and refuse to take responsibility for your own actions.
No, it is because you (and some other staff) seem to think that your opinion is ultimate.
Whatever you decide, your choice will affect your stay on these forums, plain and simple. I suggest you read the rules and see what it is you agreed to follow before you created your account.
Ive read the rules and the only ones I have broken are:
* Never use leet-speak or slang. The purpose of language is being understood, not sounding cool.
Which ive used 1337 speak on a couple ocasions, but as a joke.
* Never use colors in all of your posts. Colors are there to highlight something important.
I posted one post in 3 colours making a point against someone else who posted a big portion of their posts in that topic in colours.
Any disputes you have with the moderation team should be brought up in a pm to a moderator or administrator.
I normally PM people, but the problem is so fragmented (Especially with you guys locking the thread that it was in) that I decided to post here. And I believe that rule came before the resolution center.
Oh, and kassetra, your reply didnt even address the main point.
Oh, and whenever I said "Staff" in my post there, I meant the staff who are causing the trouble.
Oh, and incase I forgot to say why, the reason why I posted this is I didnt want to have to keep up one conversation while PMing a couple people, I could have used the thread kassetra started from my post, but someone just had to have the last say then locked it.
Oh, and while kassetra and bored2k seem to think I am trying to annoy them and stuff, they are the exact opposite: if anyone is trying to annoy anyone it is them trying to annoy me -.-
Oh, and I want this thread to be a calm discussion about this, and also with no meddling with admin powers, please.