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Timtro
March 8th, 2010, 07:27 AM
Hi All,

I'm trying to get some comments on an article I've written on how Chrome OS + Ubuntu user friendlyness could take some serious market away from Microsoft.

Could you give it a read and let me know your thoughts by posting your comments? Criticism is welcomed too!

Here's the link:
http://whatsyourtech.ca/2010/03/04/how-will-google-chrome-os-change-the-landscape-of-desktop-computing/

puzzler995
March 8th, 2010, 07:39 AM
Good job man. Can't wait for that catilyst to strike. This could be the beginning of the end for Microsoft. If only google would distribute Chrome OS online....

gsmanners
March 8th, 2010, 10:38 AM
It seems like you have a central thrust here:


A constant problem for Linux has been hardware manufacturers who don’t properly support Linux with either drivers or software. Since Google Chrome OS works on a Linux kernel, if the companies support Google, they’ll support the more traditional Linux flavours too.

What Linux generally lacks is not drivers nor software, but rather hardware *specifications* that Linux devs use to write drivers. What hardware providers call "software" is frequently lacking in the kind of robustness and support that professional computer users demand, and this is what make Linux attractive, IMHO.

inobe
March 8th, 2010, 11:23 AM
It seems like you have a central thrust here:



What Linux generally lacks is not drivers nor software, but rather hardware *specifications* that Linux devs use to write drivers. What hardware providers call "software" is frequently lacking in the kind of robustness and support that professional computer users demand, and this is what make Linux attractive, IMHO.

just let hp and nvidia corner the hardware market, it's better this way.

Psumi
March 8th, 2010, 11:24 AM
if I can't find the word "spyware" in your article, then it doesn't deserve to be an article.

Chrome itself is riddled with "spyware." Hence why we have Iron.

rahilm
March 8th, 2010, 11:25 AM
The way i see it..windows will hang around for quite a while here in india before the open source wave takes over...

thatguruguy
March 8th, 2010, 02:22 PM
if I can't find the word "spyware" in your article, then it doesn't deserve to be an article.

Chrome itself is riddled with "spyware." Hence why we have Iron.

I question your authority to declare what is and what is not an "article."

MooPi
March 8th, 2010, 02:58 PM
Linux adaption is great and ease of use important but If I were an employer deploying Linux I would have a different viewpoint. If my employees are unfamiliar with the inner workings of Linux they will be less prone to stick there noses where they shouldn't. End result less user caused problems. But I don't run a business and only control my meager desktops.

cascade9
March 8th, 2010, 03:35 PM
Minor correction needed-


Google Chrome leverages the small and versatile Linux kernel (the heart of the operating system). And like many things Google has been doing lately, itís open-source, which means that the project is being developed in one of the best spirits of software design and will be free for all users to download and use and contribute to.

Chrome is NOT open source. Its based on Chromium, which is open source, but the Chrome project itself is closed.

I dont like Chrome at all. Psumi is a short and nice version of what I think, only because of the 'spyware' (its argueable as to how 'spyware' it is, but in my book it is). But with an added point- the number of people who dont get that Chrome isnt open source. Based on open source =/= open source itself.

Anyway, from all I've seen Chrome OS is going to be cloud only. Not installing anything else, etc.. Thats not a step forward, its a step back. Makes windows look a lot more attractive IMO, in everything except price....Besides which, if people think that Chrome IS linux (which the great unwashed probably will), try it and then find its very limited, its going to tarnish the reputation of linux far more than 'OMG my wireless doesnt work' ever could.

Simian Man
March 8th, 2010, 03:42 PM
Besides which, if people think that Chrome IS linux (which the great unwashed probably will), try it and then find its very limited, its going to tarnish the reputation of linux far more than 'OMG my wireless doesnt work' ever could.

No, the general public will only have heard of Chrome OS and will likely neither know nor care that it's based on Linux. Do they know or care that Android is based on Linux?

madnessjack
March 8th, 2010, 04:46 PM
if I can't find the word "spyware" in your article, then it doesn't deserve to be an article.

Chrome itself is riddled with "spyware." Hence why we have Iron.
Do you have any basis for trusting SRWare over Google?

tjwoosta
March 8th, 2010, 06:52 PM
Do you have any basis for trusting SRWare over Google?

http://www.srware.net/en/software_srware_iron_chrome_vs_iron.php

http://www.srware.net/en/software_srware_iron_faq.php

Keyper7
March 8th, 2010, 08:39 PM
http://www.srware.net/en/software_srware_iron_chrome_vs_iron.php

http://www.srware.net/en/software_srware_iron_faq.php

Oh, of course! The basis for trusting SRWare over Google is this info from the SRWare site.

Wait a minute...

tjwoosta
March 8th, 2010, 08:47 PM
Of course. The basis for trusting SRWare over Google is info from SRWare's site.

Wait a minute...

You didnt even bother reading any of it did you?


Can i really check that Iron doesn't submit any private data, how you say?

Yes, you can. There are tools like Wireshark, which scan the whole network-traffic. We could not recognize any obvious activity. But you can proof this by yourself.
PS: We also disabled the* DNS-Precaching by default, because this could perhaps used by spammers (see this Link)

Besides that you have their word in writing all over their website. If it were not true, Im sure they would be in some legal trouble. Either way users would figure it out and expose everything.

whiskeylover
March 8th, 2010, 08:47 PM
Oh, of course! The basis for trusting SRWare over Google is this info from the SRWare site.

Wait a minute...
They do make some valid points.

tcoffeep
March 8th, 2010, 09:12 PM
I question your authority to declare what is and what is not an "article."

This. And what tinhat reasoning one can use to claim that Chrome is riddled with 'spyware'.

OP:
I lol'd a bit at the idea that a browser-based OS will somehow damage Microsoft. Sure, on netbooks, it's looking good. But Microsoft will barely be affected by this in the long run. It's well-grounded and easy to understand. Someone who grew up on nothing but Windows can use a Windows-based netbook without qualms. Can you imagine someone running Chrome OS for the first time?

Last I looked, it was still a subpar distro. Things can change, but still - Microsoft won't be damaged by this. Google won't gain that much from this.

IMHO!

Warpnow
March 8th, 2010, 09:21 PM
Calling chrome "spyware" is absurd. You can disable the information it does collect, which is minimal, such as a crash log, insallation information which tallies how many people are installing and what hardware they use, a malware & phishing detector, and a bad url detector. Which of this is invasive?


Stop spreading misinformation. Chrome doesn't keep tabs on you. They're not saying, "Oh, John Smith of Oregon just looked at a bad web site! Oh no! Tsk tsk tsk!" All they are doing is storing information they need to improve their browser. And even SRWARE says they could "theoretically" identify. And theoretically is a stretch.

http://www.google.com/chrome/intl/en/privacy.html

tcoffeep
March 8th, 2010, 09:31 PM
A post from one of the devs, btw, on SRware Iron, which discusses the nature of Iron and even the FUD about it being 'spyware':
http://neugierig.org/software/chromium/notes/2009/12/iron.html

Shibblet
March 8th, 2010, 09:58 PM
I'm hoping that Chrome can be installed on the same drive with Ubuntu. Boot to Chrome first, then allow a boot into Ubuntu afterwards.

tjwoosta
March 8th, 2010, 09:59 PM
A post from one of the devs, btw, on SRware Iron, which discusses the nature of Iron and even the FUD about it being 'spyware':
http://neugierig.org/software/chromium/notes/2009/12/iron.html

And? Im going to have to agree with Iron on this. Why contribute to chrome adding switches to turn off the "features" that report back to google when he could just remove them permanently and maybe even make a little money while hes at it? Nevermind the fact that the conversation is taken out of context in an attempt to make him look stupid.

tcoffeep
March 8th, 2010, 10:01 PM
Defend him if you want. I proudly removed my tinfoil hat long ago.

tjwoosta
March 8th, 2010, 10:14 PM
If being cautious about your privacy is considered wearing a tinfoil hat Ill never give this baby up.

tcoffeep
March 8th, 2010, 10:56 PM
Good on you.

Timtro
March 9th, 2010, 07:14 AM
Minor correction needed-



Chrome is NOT open source. Its based on Chromium, which is open source, but the Chrome project itself is closed.

I dont like Chrome at all. Psumi is a short and nice version of what I think, only because of the 'spyware' (its argueable as to how 'spyware' it is, but in my book it is). But with an added point- the number of people who dont get that Chrome isnt open source. Based on open source =/= open source itself.

Anyway, from all I've seen Chrome OS is going to be cloud only. Not installing anything else, etc.. Thats not a step forward, its a step back. Makes windows look a lot more attractive IMO, in everything except price....Besides which, if people think that Chrome IS linux (which the great unwashed probably will), try it and then find its very limited, its going to tarnish the reputation of linux far more than 'OMG my wireless doesnt work' ever could.

I'm not sure I understand. Why can I go here and contribute code?
http://dev.chromium.org/developers/contributing-code

Not saying you're wrong, I'm just not sure how I could contribute code and bug fixes if it isn't open source. Not that I've actually tried to get into the code.

tjwoosta
March 9th, 2010, 07:16 AM
I'm not sure I understand. Why can I go here and contribute code?
http://dev.chromium.org/developers/contributing-code

Not saying you're wrong, I'm just not sure how I could contribute code and bug fixes if it isn't open source. Not that I've actually tried to get into the code.

That link leads to chromium, not chrome. ;)

madnessjack
March 9th, 2010, 10:27 AM
If being cautious about your privacy is considered wearing a tinfoil hat Ill never give this baby up.
It haunts me every day that Google knows what clothes I buy or what porn I look at...

Oh no wait- it doesn't

I couldn't care less. Google makes a good product; it can have my data.

msathis
March 9th, 2010, 10:35 AM
I love Chrome as a browser. But not as an OS.

tuddy666
March 9th, 2010, 11:51 AM
It haunts me every day that Google knows what clothes I buy or what porn I look at...

Oh no wait- it doesn't

I couldn't care less. Google makes a good product; it can have my data.

Likewise. I don't care that google knows I'm into ska music (to use a broad example). The only people who care probably have something to hide ;)

Simian Man
March 9th, 2010, 03:59 PM
Likewise. I don't care that google knows I'm into ska music (to use a broad example). The only people who care probably have something to hide ;)

Want to feel important and rebellious more likely :).

rottentree
March 9th, 2010, 04:18 PM
Want to feel important and rebellious more likely :).

Or are afraid of an increase in ad bombarding.

madnessjack
March 9th, 2010, 04:45 PM
Or are afraid of an increase in ad bombarding.
https://chrome.google.com/extensions/detail/gighmmpiobklfepjocnamgkkbiglidom