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DrFunkenstein
March 8th, 2006, 07:28 PM
Ever wondered why malformed URLs get redirected to MS?
Here's the answer (http://www.mathcs.emory.edu/~jpheale/help_spam_google.html)

And as we are all fanatic, open source, anti-M$ zealots here, here's what you can do about it:
HTTP (http://www.w3.org/Protocols/)

bjweeks
March 8th, 2006, 07:33 PM
um no?

Swiss
March 8th, 2006, 07:35 PM
Sorry, I pass. :-k

YourSurrogateGod
March 8th, 2006, 07:51 PM
Oh goody! Lets act out as complete idiots against a company that is far from kosher in order to sink to their level in some respects!

DrFunkenstein
March 8th, 2006, 07:53 PM
Oh goody! Lets act out as complete idiots against a company that is far from kosher in order to sink to their level in some respects!
What on earth???????
:shock: :?: :?:

YourSurrogateGod
March 8th, 2006, 07:56 PM
What on earth???????
:shock: :?: :?:
You said that we should spam google. What kind of a reply did you expect?

Zeroangel
March 8th, 2006, 07:56 PM
Oh goody! Lets act out as complete idiots against a company that is far from kosher in order to sink to their level in some respects!
Have you actually looked at the link?

mcduck
March 8th, 2006, 07:57 PM
I tried what happens if I type that bad url in the article ('http//www.google.com'). It doesn't take me to microsoft, but www.w3.org. I think it's trying to tell me something.. ("Stupid user, learn some web standards before you try again!") :D

DrFunkenstein
March 8th, 2006, 07:58 PM
You said that we should spam google. What kind of a reply did you expect?
How about reading what I wrote (reminder: Ever wondered why malformed URLs get redirected to MS?) and following the link?
http://www.mathcs.emory.edu/~jpheale/help_spam_google.html

kaamos
March 8th, 2006, 08:00 PM
I tried what happens if I type that bad url in the article ('http//www.google.com'). It doesn't take me to microsoft, but www.w3.org. I think it's trying to tell me something.. ("Stupid user, learn some web standards before you try again!") :D

Same here. An "s" still leads to mcdonalds though. :D

YourSurrogateGod
March 8th, 2006, 08:01 PM
Have you actually looked at the link?
Google bombing? Doing a wrong in order to fix another wrong? No thank you.

YourSurrogateGod
March 8th, 2006, 08:03 PM
How about reading what I wrote (reminder: Ever wondered why malformed URLs get redirected to MS?) and following the link?
http://www.mathcs.emory.edu/~jpheale/help_spam_google.html
You know that you're not helping your case here, if anything you're hurting it. The best option would be to contact google about the problem and tell them to fix it.

angkor
March 8th, 2006, 08:05 PM
When I do a search for 'http' on google.nl the microsoft site is nowhere to be seen. This only seems to be happening with google.com

Zeroangel
March 8th, 2006, 08:06 PM
Have you tried typing the malformed URL directly into your address (not search) bar? The bug with google automatically directing to Microsoft should be there.

It would be interesting to know if people from primarily non-english countries get this bug or if it only happens with english versions of the browser.

DrFunkenstein
March 8th, 2006, 08:08 PM
You know that you're not helping your case here, if anything you're hurting it. The best option would be to contact google about the problem and tell them to fix it.
I really don't know why you are so hellbend about finding this rather funny little excersize to be evil.
Google can't do anything about this "problem", or they would have to manually edit their search results and I don't think that's what you'd want from google, is it?

And I can't for the life of me figure out why linking http to http://www.w3.org/Protocols/ should be considered evil.

bjweeks
March 8th, 2006, 08:12 PM
or they could fix there ****

mcduck
March 8th, 2006, 08:19 PM
When I do a search for 'http' on google.nl the microsoft site is nowhere to be seen. This only seems to be happening with google.comIndeed. I just tried this, and in google.fi the first result is w3c, and microsoft is second. With google.com microsoft is first and w3c second.

Firefox uses google.fi with address bar and google.com with search bar.

's' takes me to mcdonalds with both. :confused:

John.Michael.Kane
March 8th, 2006, 08:22 PM
Have you tried typing the malformed URL directly into your address (not search) bar? The bug with google automatically directing to Microsoft should be there.

It would be interesting to know if people from primarily non-english countries get this bug or if it only happens with english versions of the browser.


typing malformed URL does send you directly to a ms based site--> http://www.microsoft.com/technet/security/bulletin/MS01-014.mspx

angkor
March 8th, 2006, 08:25 PM
Have you tried typing the malformed URL directly into your address (not search) bar? The bug with google automatically directing to Microsoft should be there.

The adress bar uses google.com. I had a look in about:config to see if the defeault (addressbar)search engine could be changed, but I didn't find anything.

Another strange thing is, google redirects me automatically to google.nl when I enter http://www.google.com in the adressbar...

DrFunkenstein
March 8th, 2006, 08:36 PM
or they could fix there ****
Sorry?
Who could fix what ****?

P.S.: Typing http in the address bar gets me to microsoft.

bjweeks
March 8th, 2006, 08:37 PM
Sorry?
Who could fix what ****?

P.S.: Typing http in the address bar gets me to microsoft.

google....

matthinckley
March 8th, 2006, 08:39 PM
how is putting a link to w3c that is called http spamming google? all it is doing is putting a link in a site that googles bots will find that say that HTTP should go to w3c.. hopefully if google's bots find enough of them it will move w3c to the top of the list instead of ms...

I don't understand how this is spamming.. you are not intentionally flooding google with anything..

xequence
March 8th, 2006, 08:41 PM
Maybe this thing is only on firefox, as it doesent work on opera.

But who really cares?

Noone is gonna go "hey, I got redirected to microsoft.com, I think ill switch from linux to windows now!".

DrFunkenstein
March 8th, 2006, 08:46 PM
google....
But google didn't do anything wrong, so?

@matthinckley: I initially called this post help to spam google (till some mod changed it) because that's the name of the original article. It's obviously meant to be tongue in cheek, but that didn't translate to well on the ubuntuforum, I guess, hence the aggressive reactions.

matthinckley
March 8th, 2006, 08:50 PM
ok i understand why you said spam google,

I dont understand why putting a link to w3c that says html is doing wrong.. which is what some posters have said here..

bjweeks
March 8th, 2006, 09:03 PM
But google didn't do anything wrong, so?

@matthinckley: I initially called this post help to spam google (till some mod changed it) because that's the name of the original article. It's obviously meant to be tongue in cheek, but that didn't translate to well on the ubuntuforum, I guess, hence the aggressive reactions.

Google needs to fix there bots so they cant get bomed....

How it ths differnt from me google bombing "matthinckley" to turn up when you search dumbass?

KiwiNZ
March 8th, 2006, 09:08 PM
I edited the title of this thread to better reflect the subject matter

matthinckley
March 8th, 2006, 09:11 PM
How it ths differnt from me google bombing "matthinckley" to turn up when you search dumbass?

that would be sweet..

EDIT: Are you calling me a dumbass?

imagine
March 8th, 2006, 09:14 PM
1. Putting up a link with the name "http" which points to the W3C has nothing to do with spam, so the thread title was actually misleading.

2. Google itself - like other search engines - *does* modify (read: censor) search results. IIRC they don't use the all time favourite reason "fight terrorism" for it, but its successor "protect children". And I'm not talking about their SafeSearch filter.
However in this case there's nothing to modify since the search algorithm works just fine. If there are many <a href="bar">foo</a> links, then foo and bar must be related somehow.

3. Google displays its search results based mainly on the language information provided by the browser. Websites which use the language specified are ranked higher in the search results.
It's not very important which top level domain is used or which IP address the visitor has.
So to see the English website of Micros~1 as the first search result your browser has to send "en" as the preferred language or you have to specify the language in the address bar: http://www.google.nl/search?q=http&hl=en

4. Opera makes no Google searches if you type in invalid URLs, but tries to complete the address by appending www and a top level domain to it.

bjweeks
March 8th, 2006, 09:16 PM
that would be sweet..

EDIT: Are you calling me a dumbass?

no just showing a point

bjweeks
March 8th, 2006, 09:19 PM
However in this case there's nothing to modify since the search algorithm works just fine. If there are many <a href="bar">foo</a> links, then foo and bar must be related somehow.


Not when people "spam" pages with that to up there page ranking.


My point... (http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=failure&btnG=Google+Search)

matthinckley
March 8th, 2006, 09:20 PM
no just showing a point
cool.. that would still be sweet though..

DrFunkenstein
March 8th, 2006, 09:52 PM
Not when people "spam" pages with that to up there page ranking.

Sigh. It's linking http to w3.org, for christs sake. You know, there actually is a quite logical relation between the two.
And nobody is trying to up their page rank.



My point... (http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=failure&btnG=Google+Search)
Yep, failure (http://www.whitehouse.gov/president/gwbbio.html) is fun. :-D

Really, it's annoying that people always find a reason to get worked up and start screaming bloody murder about anything on this forum.

Bandit
March 8th, 2006, 09:56 PM
My PC never goes to SatanSofts website..
My wifes PC does with IE and the ones at work do also. But they are Windows boxes..

Bandit
March 8th, 2006, 09:57 PM
This is a great quote from bjweeks search results from google.. :)

Failure
Looking for Failure?
Find exactly what you want today.
www.eBay.com


Cheers,
Joey

Kernel Sanders
March 8th, 2006, 09:57 PM
What a weird thread? :-k

Basically DrFunkenstein saying this: **Hey everyone, here's a "problem" that only 1% of people actually know about, and fewer actually care about, and how to fix it!**

But.......

Why should anyone care? :confused:

bjweeks
March 8th, 2006, 09:58 PM
Yes, but it is still google bombing.

Bandit
March 8th, 2006, 09:59 PM
Yes, but it is still google bombing.
THey are big boys, they can handle it..

YourSurrogateGod
March 8th, 2006, 10:01 PM
Google can't do anything about this "problem", or they would have to manually edit their search results and I don't think that's what you'd want from google, is it?
If it's done to correct the problem, why not?

And I can't for the life of me figure out why linking http to http://www.w3.org/Protocols/ should be considered evil.
So the prospect of google altering how things are searched for is wrong and you google bombing the results (in order to alter them) is harmless? Interesting logic. You're engaging in the same thing that you don't want google to do.

I don't like google bombing *because* it alters search results, which gives people either inaccurate or false returns on searches.

YourSurrogateGod
March 8th, 2006, 10:07 PM
Really, it's annoying that people always find a reason to get worked up and start screaming bloody murder about anything on this forum.
It depends on what you're doing. If it's something that you're doing to either yourself or a group of people that have nothing against your actions, then that's fine. However, if you're screwing over some people that would rather not be influenced by your actions, then you'll (rightfully) get alot of flack for it.

DrFunkenstein
March 8th, 2006, 10:08 PM
I don't like google bombing *because* it alters search results, which gives people either inaccurate or false returns on searches.
You are so right. Linking http to Microsoft certainly makes much more sense then linking it to http://www.w3.org/Protocols/ :rolleyes:

Zeroangel
March 8th, 2006, 10:08 PM
Yeah, but one individual doesn't like it does not change the fact that it exists. Adhering blindly to a principle without taking into account the context that principle is made for is one of the reasons why lawyers are able to exploit loopholes in the legal system and circumvent the spirit that the legal system was created for.

Context matters, IOW.

YourSurrogateGod
March 8th, 2006, 10:08 PM
THey are big boys, they can handle it..
1 + 1 = 11

:roll:

YourSurrogateGod
March 8th, 2006, 10:10 PM
You are so right. Linking http to Microsoft certainly makes much more sense then linking it to http://www.w3.org/Protocols/ :rolleyes:
Nice strawman, try again.

bjweeks
March 8th, 2006, 10:11 PM
Then don't get mad when you see "Get the facts: Windows Vista kicks Ubuntus ***!!!" when you search for ubuntu...

DrFunkenstein
March 8th, 2006, 10:11 PM
Nice strawman, try again.
It's not a strawman and no, I won't try again, I'll simply ignore your childish behavior from now on.

Have a nice day.

Zeroangel
March 8th, 2006, 10:12 PM
You are so right. Linking http to Microsoft certainly makes much more sense then linking it to http://www.w3.org/Protocols/ :rolleyes:
You're talking to a brick wall ^ .

"I've made up my mind, don't confuse me with the facts". Yep, typical INTJ personality type.

DrFunkenstein
March 8th, 2006, 10:15 PM
You're talking to a brick wall ^ .

"I've made up my mind, don't confuse me with the facts". Yep, typical INTJ personality type.
You are right and I'll simply ignore our little friend now.

I never thought something this unimportant, but at least to me entertaining would lead to such a shitfest. *shakesheadindisbelief*

bjweeks
March 8th, 2006, 10:17 PM
Its not your job to change google search results.

DrFunkenstein
March 8th, 2006, 10:40 PM
Its not your job to change google search results.
Sigh. I was actually starting to write a long answer to this, but then I thought, what the heck, it's not worth it.

Just wanted to point out that everyone who posts any content and any links on the web is changing google's search results. That's the way it's supposed to be.
And last but not least, if one thing is certain, then it is that it is not your job to tell me what my job is.

KiwiNZ
March 8th, 2006, 10:47 PM
Lets chill a bit folks

Zeroangel
March 8th, 2006, 10:51 PM
http://s89199910.onlinehome.us/humour/chillpill2.jpg

:KS

Sorry, difficult people get me worked up.

angkor
March 8th, 2006, 11:43 PM
I edited the title of this thread to better reflect the subject matter

Shouldn't that be up to the OP, as long as he doesn't break forum rules?


Anyhow, does anyone know if it is possible to change the search engine firefox uses when entering a word in the adressbar?

KiwiNZ
March 8th, 2006, 11:57 PM
Shouldn't that be up to the OP, as long as he doesn't break forum rules?


Staff may edit as they see fit

imagine
March 9th, 2006, 12:38 AM
I don't like google bombing *because* it alters search results, which gives people either inaccurate or false returns on searches.The order of the Google search results is altered by one thing: Links. There are no good or bad or inaccurate links, because that would need to define "accurate" in a way that everybody agrees. That's impossible. Instead an algorithm based on simple logic descides on the order: If millions of people/websites name links to "bar" "foo" or links to "foo" "bar", then those two things must be related somehow. That's not bombing, that's how the web works.

Alpha_toxic
March 9th, 2006, 12:39 AM
Try searching for "failure" in google.com.
Is this on pupouse? Most likely it's just a coincidence, just like with MS.

angkor
March 9th, 2006, 12:46 AM
I stumbled upon Microsoft's new and improved hoping to beat google websearch www.live.com and thought...hmm what would be the first hit for 'http' in their search engine?

http://www.xs4all.nl/~gerben77/pics/ff-screen.png

:mrgreen: :mrgreen:

Kernel Sanders
March 9th, 2006, 12:49 AM
Try searching for "failure" in google.com.
Is this on pupouse? Most likely it's just a coincidence, just like with MS.

**EXCELLENT** :mrgreen:

The first 2 google results for "failure" are:

1) Official white house biography of George W Bush
2) Official white house biography of Jimmy Carter

Mwhahahahahahaha :mrgreen:

bjweeks
March 9th, 2006, 01:03 AM
**EXCELLENT** :mrgreen:

The first 2 google results for "failure" are:

1) Official white house biography of George W Bush
2) Official white house biography of Jimmy Carter

Mwhahahahahahaha :mrgreen:

Cause google bombing is teh leet.