Xubuntu, with other gui programs.

[Marvin666]

Which do you prefer, kde or gnome programs?
I use the kde ones.
I actually have kde installed as well, but can't figure out how to change the login back to xfce, and when I log out, it takes me to a terminal, and I have to reboot to get a gui.

[mikewhatever]

If you like KDE and its programs, why did you install Xubuntu in the first place? Kind of dumb, if you ask me.;)

[blueshiftoverwatch]

If you like KDE and its programs, why did you install Xubuntu in the first place? Kind of dumb, if you ask me.;)
Mostly due to the fact that having to load both KDE and Gnome libraries will negate most of the speed benefits of running Xubuntu on an older machine.

[konqueror7]

i prefer gnome, never been fond of kde ui elements,,,:D

xfce anyway based on gnome, just lighter,,,

[Marvin666]

I have kde, but rarely use it. I like the look, and speed of xfce. I like the kde versions because they tend to be more powerful, and have more features. My laptop slows to a crawl when if I boot into kde, so I might just take it back off. Once I learn the new terminal commands, I'll disable gnome services and my system should be even faster.

[Techsnap]

xfce anyway based on gnome, just lighter,,,

ITS NOT BASED ON GNOME!!!!!! It's amazing how Xubuntu makes it appear that way. Just because it's based on gtk != Gnome. You can install XFCE without any Gnome libraries and it doesn't depend on anything in Gnome either.

[k64]

Here's how to switch DE's without installing a new Ubuntu-based OS:



$ sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop

$ sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop

$ sudo apt-get install xubuntu-desktop

[Rodney9]

Blackbox

[Hallvor]

Which do you prefer, kde or gnome programs?
I use the kde ones.
I actually have kde installed as well, but can't figure out how to change the login back to xfce, and when I log out, it takes me to a terminal, and I have to reboot to get a gui.

If you prefer KDE applications, it is better to run KDE. If you want to mix KDE applications and a lighter desktop environment, the integrate a lot better with LXDE than with XFCE, IMHO.

[k64]

If you prefer KDE applications, why not just use KDE..?

Like I said before,


$ sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop

By the wording of the post, this has already been done.

[konqueror7]

ITS NOT BASED ON GNOME!!!!!! It's amazing how Xubuntu makes it appear that way. Just because it's based on gtk != Gnome. You can install XFCE without any Gnome libraries and it doesn't depend on anything in Gnome either.

i did not mean to say that xfce is gnome, i said based, in terms of ui elements...;)

[Grifulkin]

I like gtk apps, but I do use a few qt apps, not that it matters I have both up-to-date packages so I can run whatever. Like I have pidgin that uses gtk and I have VLC that uses qt. That being said I only use openbox with tint2 and I believe the only gnome or kde dependencies I have on my Arch setup are for gksu. So... yeah.

[Tibuda]

DE-independent apps.

[gn2]

When I used Xfce I used a mix of all sorts of apps, whatever ones I liked best for the task at hand.

[Psumi]

I try to use XF Programs, such as xfburn (instead of brasero), parole (instead of totem) and ayttm (instead of pidgin, because pidgin requires gconf for whatever reason.)

I wish XFCE had its own graphical sudo, because gksu/do requires gconf and other gnome depends.

[Warpnow]

i did not mean to say that xfce is gnome, i said based, in terms of ui elements...;)

Mmm...I don't really think that's true. They have similarities of course, but they are so basic and fundamental...I mean, most of the similarities, they also share with windows 95.

[user1397]

I actually have kde installed as well, but can't figure out how to change the login back to xfce, and when I log out, it takes me to a terminal, and I have to reboot to get a gui.To fix this, read the 'Helpful Stuff' part of this guide: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=205002

[Marvin666]

What was the default in xubuntu jaunty? I liked the look of that one, and it actually makes you type a username. I got the karmic xubuntu default back for now, but it still takes me to a terminal when I log out.

[konqueror7]

Mmm...I don't really think that's true. They have similarities of course, but they are so basic and fundamental...I mean, most of the similarities, they also share with windows 95.

yes, in a general sense of ui elements like buttons and labels...they are both share the common library,,,and most of the design of xfce comes from gnome,,,by the way i mean design, ui look and feel and so, for example the 2 panels,,,hope my statement will be clear this time...:D

[XubuRoxMySox]

Gnome and Xfce are both GTK-based. Even the super ultralight LXDE desktop environment is GTK-based. That is why Xfce "feels like Gnome-Lite." It's really not, but they share the GTK-stuff.

I mix and match. I hated Brasero, for example, for its hit-or-miss crapshoot unreliability, and heard such good stuff about K3B that I tried it. Sure I got some QT library files that K3B depends on, but for me it's not about disk space anyway. I use it because I like it. Mixed apps are no problem at all, whether GTK or QT based.

-Robin

[Techsnap]

by the way i mean design, ui look and feel and so, for example the 2 panels,,,hope my statement will be clear this time...

What you have used is Xubuntu, try vanilla XFCE and you'll soon see how different it is.


they are both share the common library

Just because something uses gtk doesn't make it gnome based.

[konqueror7]

What you have used is Xubuntu, try vanilla XFCE and you'll soon see how different it is.



Just because something uses gtk doesn't make it gnome based.

it is still based on gtk, the very foundation of gnome de...yes xubuntu and opensuse, and this thread is regarding xubuntu, not vanilla xfce...

the main point is, design followed by xfce is similar to gnome...and in the very sense that gtk is the foundation of xfce makes it very similiar to gnome...okay i may have interchanged the my terms gtk and gnome, but for me, they are nearly synonimous,,,one thing i see it as similar is, you can't setup a pure xfce desktop and applications, without having to install gnome apps libs, in comparison to kde that it has qt...

this is my view to it, it may be wrong for you, but this is the way i see it...:D

[Techsnap]

you can't setup a pure xfce desktop and applications, without having to install gnome apps libs

Yes you can, just because you need gtk it still doesn't make that part of Gnome. GTK is the toolkit used in both Gnome and XFCE and just because something uses GTK doesn't automatically mean it's part of Gnome.


this is my view to it, it may be wrong for you, but this is the way i see it...

From a technical aspect it's completely wrong.

[konqueror7]

Yes you can, just because you need gtk it still doesn't make that part of Gnome. GTK is the toolkit used in both Gnome and XFCE and just because something uses GTK doesn't automatically mean it's part of Gnome.



From a technical aspect it's completely wrong.

thats why i wrote that i see it similarly, i don't have to agree with you, i have my own opinion,,,

yes, it is technically wrong when taking all my opinions literally, but that is why there is an opinion...

[Techsnap]

thats why i wrote that i see it similarly, i don't have to agree with you, i have my own opinion,,,

It might be your opinion that it seems to be Gnome based. But telling others it is, is just spreading misinformation, you need to tell people facts not opinions. Just coming on and outright saying well XFCE is Gnome-based may well be your opionion but the fact is it ISN'T. Sure you have freedom to say what you want, but when you're talking about something to someone you need to tell them the facts so they don't get confused later on.

If you don't want to tell people the facts then that's fine, I'm glad you enjoy giving Linux a bad image (because at the end of the day that's all it does). The FACT IS you can install XFCE without ANY of Gnomes core dependencies therefore it's not Gnome based, you could say it's LIKE Gnome, but it's not Gnome based.

[detroit/zero]

My Gnomez are KDE based.

I think that makes my XFCE a red-headed step-child.

[konqueror7]

It might be your opinion that it seems to be Gnome based. But telling others it is, is just spreading misinformation, you need to tell people facts not opinions. Just coming on and outright saying well XFCE is Gnome-based may well be your opionion but the fact is it ISN'T. Sure you have freedom to say what you want, but when you're talking about something to someone you need to tell them the facts so they don't get confused later on.

If you don't want to tell people the facts then that's fine, I'm glad you enjoy giving Linux a bad image (because at the end of the day that's all it does). The FACT IS you can install XFCE without ANY of Gnomes core dependencies therefore it's not Gnome based, you could say it's LIKE Gnome, but it's not Gnome based.

the fact is, you are being involved in a thread in the community cafe where opinions are that are fun,,,you can clearly see that above in the header,,,

i've noticed that everything here you take it literally,,, and yes, i agree with you that fact matters, and i believe no one would be so stupid in taking 1 post and personal opinion from 1 user as a fact, that is just plain stupid...

the very point of me saying xfce is based on gnome, is based on the fact of design, setup of all components,,,one may argue that gnome is just a polished version of xfce...

yes, you can install a pure xfce without gnome dependecies, and then what, you got just a desktop with which you cannot do anything else,,its just plain stupid...

then i say, its 'LIKE' gnome, but for the fact that visually its based pretty much on gnome rather than kde, makes me say its 'BASED' on it...

[konqueror7]

My Gnomez are KDE based.

I think that makes my XFCE a red-headed step-child.

if gnome is kde based, that is just not right,,,,:D

xfce makes it a look alike of your gnome,,,:D

i think no one will understand my point, i'm not from a english speaking country, so the way i use words is not the same from yours...so when i say 'based' i meant look-alike...

[RiceMonster]

.the very point of me saying xfce is based on gnome, is based on the fact of design, setup of all components,,,one may argue that gnome is just a polished version of xfce...

One may argue that and be wrong. Use vanilla Xfce and find out the design is, in fact, quite different. Xubuntu is made to feel like GNOME, so if you've only used Xubuntu, I could see how you would come to that conclusion.


yes, you can install a pure xfce without gnome dependecies, and then what, you got just a desktop with which you cannot do anything else,,its just plain stupid...

Maybe there's a lot of apps you may want that have GNOME dependencies, but that DOES NOT make Xfce GNOME based.


then i say, its 'LIKE' gnome, but for the fact that visually its based pretty much on gnome rather than kde, makes me say its 'BASED' on it...

If it was based on GNOME, it would have started off as a fork, or maybe an attempt to create something similar. It wasn't. It started off as it's own project, completely separate, and had it's own design goals (and it still does). The only thing they share in common is GTK. If anything, Xfce is inspired more by CDE than it is GNOME. Again, try vanilla Xfce, not Xubuntu which is made to feel like GNOME.

Also, please note that in this case using "it's my opinion" as an argument is just a cop-out.

[konqueror7]

One may argue that and be wrong. Use vanilla Xfce and find out the design is, in fact, quite different. Xubuntu is made to feel like GNOME, so if you've only used Xubuntu, I could see how you would come to that conclusion.



Maybe there's a lot of apps you may want that have GNOME dependencies, but that DOES NOT make Xfce GNOME based.



If it was based on GNOME, it would have started off as a fork, or maybe an attempt to create something similar. It wasn't. It started off as it's own project, completely separate, and had it's own design goals (and it still does). The only thing they share in common is GTK. If anything, Xfce is inspired more by CDE than it is GNOME. Again, try vanilla Xfce, not Xubuntu which is made to feel like GNOME.

Also, please note that in this case using "it's my opinion" as an argument is just a cop-out.

i've tried xfce in ubuntu, opensuse, and arch...and its different..xubuntu was the first time, so i based my arguments there...i have may have been understood, what i can do?:D

[Psumi]

Since SLiM is in lucid, shouldn't Xubuntu be using it? Just a thought.

[MooPi]

Blackbox
Go with a BOX "Openbox"

[SuperSonic4]

Here's how to switch DE's without installing a new Ubuntu-based OS:



$ sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop

$ sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop

$ sudo apt-get install xubuntu-desktop


The fast-track to duplicate apps and cluttered menus

[konqueror7]

the fast-track to duplicate apps and cluttered menus

lol

[Psumi]

Here's how to switch DE's without installing a new Ubuntu-based OS:



$ sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop

$ sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop

$ sudo apt-get install xubuntu-desktop


Or do the metapackages:

gnome-core

xfce4

kde

[Simian Man]

Since SLiM is in lucid, shouldn't Xubuntu be using it? Just a thought.

SLiM doesn't support remote logins, fingerprint checking or user switching, while gdm does. I personally don't use any of those features, so I use SLiM when using Xfce alone. I think enough people use those that gdm should still probably be the default.