How to improve Sudan loco team ?

[zero-n]

could you share your ideas with me ?

[ejlal]

salam everyone
How to improve sudan loco team? nice question zero-n.
to answer your question i need to know what are the goals/purpose/mission of our team?
are we here to:
-just hang out, meet new sudanese users and have fun.
-spread the word of ubuntu among sudanese people.
- give technical support to the team members.
- provide translations/trjma for ubuntu, i mean to help non english sudanese users.

maybe we are here for all of that, if so, i think we are in the right direction, but we miss few things, what are the missing ingredients ? those would be(in my own opinion ,and feel free to disagree with them) the following:
-i think we should communicate in arabic, and even use our sudanes dialect/lahja.though this will be difficult for me because am using english keyboard :).
-direct members/new members of the team to ask for technical support(when we all dont know the solution for it or when it is not related to our internet service providers) to its dedicated sections of the ubuntuforums. because they will more likely to get help faster.and thats why this forum is about.and from my experience this community is what makes ubuntu so great OS. and they/new members deserve to feel that for themselves.
-i dont know how we can spread the word of ubuntu among sudanese people,its shame. because i think ubuntu will make more sense to them than the other operating systems we use,because its free(just to name few reasons)...i think we should help each other with ideas to accomplish this.
-make use of the irc channel of our team.#ubuntu-sd. and show people how to get there.

m3lesh braitkom shadeed, kan momkn abrakom aktr mn kida lkn ur lucky:D, 3indi moshwar.
m3lish 3li algramatical mistakes, inshaaallah tgdro tfhamo klami zi ma ana gasdaho.

thank you all so much for the opportunity.

[ejlal]

am laughing at my self now, just saw this pagehttps://wiki.ubuntu.com/SudanTeam , i always knew i love talking, i didnt know i love writing too. :D :d
sorry guys i didnt read the team sticky thread well.

[zero-n]

Hi Eljal,

Thanks for responding to my thread.
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How to improve sudan loco team? nice question zero-n.
to answer your question i need to know what are the goals/purpose/mission of our team?
are we here to:
-just hang out, meet new sudanese users and have fun.
-spread the word of ubuntu among sudanese people.
-give technical support to the team members.
-provide translations/trjma for ubuntu, i mean to help non english sudanese users.

I think all of these points are good, but the part of spreading the Ubuntu won't be easy.



-i think we should communicate in arabic, and even use our sudanes dialect/lahja.though this will be difficult for me because am using english keyboard :smile:.

I agree with you about writing in Arabic , but Sudanese dialect no way ( not all arabic users understands Sudanese dialect very well ) we all know Arabic so i prefer it.

My keyboard is English too (bad for me).



-direct members/new members of the team to ask for technical support(when we all dont know the solution for it or when it is not related to our internet service providers) to its dedicated sections of the ubuntuforums. because they will more likely to get help faster.and thats why this forum is about.and from my experience this community is what makes ubuntu so great OS. and they/new members deserve to feel that for themselves.

Nothing to say about this point but i don't get what you mean from (when it is not related to our internet service providers)


-i dont know how we can spread the word of ubuntu among sudanese people,its shame. because i think ubuntu will make more sense to them than the other operating systems we use,because its free(just to name few reasons)...i think we should help each other with ideas to accomplish this.

This point is so interesting. i think we should make clear that :

- Ubuntu is ease to work with ( Full sets of application )
- Ubuntu is not using CLI only ( alot of them believe Linux is only black screen CLI OS).
- Ubuntu can run alot of Windows application using Wine, some people don't want to dump their non-free or free but not open-source application.
- Ubuntu is secure ( no viruses , permissions system , etc .....)
- All application are free so no need to pay money or use illegal copies.
- Bugs are fixed regularly.
- Source is open so you know what is going on behind the window i mean the walls not like others.
- Give them a CD as a gift to try it ( liveCD is not bad as begining ).
- Write a full topic about how to work with internet modems in Sudan (CanarGO,Sudani,Zain) it is very important.
- Try to spread Ubuntu in universities it is amazing environment to Ubuntu to grow. (I met my lovely disotro there )
- Make frequently asked questions as Sticky we need a help from Y2J in this.
- make a Ubuntu Sudan magazine ( need alot of work and experience ).


If you find more just add it.



-make use of the irc channel of our team.#ubuntu-sd. and show people how to get there.

Is the channel is still there .( i am not so familiar with IRC)

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Sorry for the late response

[ejlal]

hey zero-n!
i really wanted to using the quoting thing but i didn't get how that's work :(
-about the internet service providers thing, i meant to say we will be more helpful at it than others.
-the channel is still there, i checked it hours ago, its empty.
you will need to google how to register and get connected because i really dont remember howto,( stupid right?)
about spreading the word, your suggestions are great. some are not applicable for me though (finished college:), alhamdollillah )
i had a great talk with a computer teacher today. will tell u about it another day, the sum of it.he thinks it will take ages to get sudanese to use linux :( . (i was asking him why he teach employers windows instead of linux)

[mhmdfoss]

سلااااام

برى الاخت اجلال جميل ومرتب وفى محلو:)

اما بالنسبة لنقاطو
-الزول يغير الكيبورد او اضعف الايمان يلصق ستيكر لغة عربية
-النقطةة التانية ما واضحة:confused:
-اما الانتشار فبياخد زمن طويل بس فى امل انو ينتشر خصوصا مع كل اصدار جديد ببقى اسهل اكتر


اما نقاط الاخ zero-n
بالنسبة للوضوح والسهولة وعدم وجود الفيروسات وتشغيل برامج الوندوز فهى فعلا بتجزب الناس للتجربة

[ejlal]

@mhmdfoss bri, int shoft 7aja ana bs konta most3jila o alenglizi ma moshji3 :d
changing the keyboard in not an option for me, am using a notebook, but inshaallah i will try to get arabic stickers as soon as i find where to get it. until then i will keep posting in english, so forgive me.
bye.

[mhmdfoss]

ممكن تلقى الاستيكر فى معظم المكتبات تقريبا

good luck

[ejlal]

salam 3alikom

am qouting zero-n


- Give them a CD as a gift to try it ( liveCD is not bad as begining ).dont give them ur usb sticks, u wont get it back:lolflag:. (

- Write a full topic about how to work with internet modems in Sudan (CanarGO,Sudani,Zain) it is very important.since u made this suggestion, and i really think it will be very useful, why not start a thread and we will try all to contribute and then someone edits it and have it as sticky thread, ofcourse we will need help from our moderator, mr.W2J

- make a Ubuntu Sudan magazine ( need alot of work and experience ).do u think there will be time or resources for such a thing? i really think this is out of my scope.
- Ubuntu is ease to work with ( Full sets of application )
- Ubuntu is not using CLI only ( alot of them believe Linux is only black screen CLI OS).
- Ubuntu can run alot of Windows application using Wine, some people don't want to dump their non-free or free but not open-source application.
- Ubuntu is secure ( no viruses , permissions system , etc .....)
- All application are free so no need to pay money or use illegal copies.
- Bugs are fixed regularly.
- Source is open so you know what is going on behind the window i mean the walls not like others.
:KS

[zero-n]

الزول يغير الكيبورد او اضعف الايمان يلصق ستيكر لغة عربية

The above squares is the quoting of :
الزول يغير الكيبورد او اضعف الايمان يلصق ستيكر لغة عربية

So Arabic problem is not only by stickers we have to consider ( right to left support and quoting issues)

but writing in English will driver Sudanese people away from us.


do u think there will be time or resources for such a thing? i really think this is out of my scope.

I mean a digital magazine not printed and i think we have time for it but not now cause we need to get more experience.


i really wanted to using the quoting thing but i didn't get how that's work

How to quote:

[*quote=username;usernumber] bla bla bla [/quote]

without the * i but it so the forum do consider a quote ;)

[mhmdfoss]

do you mean linux arabic writting support ?

[ejlal]

i think he meant, the right to left align thing, whenever you write in arabic, your post looks funny.
here a prove:


شوف الكلام حيظهر كيف مع اني اخترت انو يتكتب من اليمين للشمال

[ejlal]

:D i proved nothing:D

[mhmdfoss]

لو هو دا المقصود يا اجلال هل لنو محرر المنتدى ما فيهو دعم اللغة العربية ولا انحنا ما عارفين نضبطو؟؟:)

عموما فى حل موقت انو الواحد يكتب فى برنامج الاوفيس ويرد وبعد داك ينقلو هنا ولا كيف الراى؟

[zero-n]

#-o#-oSorry it was from my Google Chrome it's beta #-o so it wasn't from the forum.

[mhmdfoss]

بس برضو فى مشكلة قى الفيرفوكس لما تكتب جملة بالعربى فى نصها فى كلمة انجليزية دايما بتخرب الرصة بتاعت الجملة:shock:

[zero-n]

i seen this before we should try to find a solution ( i am googling wright now) to find a fix for this problem

[ejlal]

بس برضو فى مشكلة قى الفيرفوكس لما تكتب جملة بالعربى فى نصها فى كلمة انجليزية دايما بتخرب الرصة بتاعت الجملة:shock:
yes, i noticed....very annoying:(

[ejlal]

hey
i just found this firefox add-on its called Yoolki Arabic Keyboard, wherein, you can type arabic using english letters and will get it in arabic, below is an example to show you;
أَهلن، حَركَة حِلوَة مُش؟رَيِكُم شنُو فِي التَشكيل؟

[mhmdfoss]

=d> يا سلام عليك فكرة بسيطة لكن صعب انها تخطر على بال اى واحد
زى ما بقولو الشعراء السهل الممتنع

تقربيا حلا مشكلة عدم الكيبورد العربي لكن مشكلة المصطلحات الانجليزية فى وسط السطر لعربى لسة قائمة وجارى البحث لحلها ان شا الله

[Adntu]

Alsalam alikom
Didn`t even read the whole post, will come to it later inshallah.
I just wanted to discuss with you, whether it is better to use english or arabic? I thought it should be readable for all people? or the idea behind the LoCo team is to be directed to the local people only? I guess so, but wanted to make sure!

[zero-n]

Alsalam alikom
Didn`t even read the whole post, will come to it later inshallah.
w 3likom alslam

cause your posting here i think you are a Sudanese Ubuntu user ( correct me if i am wrong ).
I hope you will read the whole post and give us a response.



I just wanted to discuss with you, whether it is better to use english or arabic? I thought it should be readable for all people?

Arabic is our Native language without using it we will lose audiences from our local community but writing in Arabic in
this forum have several problems, so we are planning to have our own website but this step needed support &
coordination between team members.


or the idea behind the LoCo team is to be directed to the local people only? I guess so, but wanted to make sure!


Check this post form Libya LoCo team:
http://ubuntu.ly/ubuntu-locoteam-whatis-what-they-do.htm

[Adntu]

السلام عليكم
اديت القصة طلة وفهمت الحاصل, في الحقيقة شفت كم واحد من المواقع بتاعت الفرق المحلية, يبدو اني كنت ملخبت بين الفرق المحلية والجهود بتاعة التعريب, الخلاصة الوصلت ليها انو المفروض المواقع بتاعت الفرق المحلية تكون جاذبة للمحليين (على وزن الوحدة الجاذبة بتاعة الحكومة).

عليه, ومن هذه المنصة التى اجلس عليها الان, ادعو كل الناس ان تكتب باللغة العربية بنكهاتها المختلفة,الدارجي حبابو و عربي جوبا حبابو عشرة, ومن لم يرد الا الفصحى فسلوى ونعمى عين, المهم انو الموقع يكون مالوف لبني جلدتنا من اهل البلد, وان يتجنبوا اللغة الانجليزية والفرنسية وعموم لغات بني الاصفر ما وسعهم.
اما العرنغليزية
(zay dee)
فدي بي صراحة بتجهجه باكات الناس ساكت!.

الناس الما عندها كوابيرد عربية, عليكم بهذا:
http://muftah-alhuruf.com/
او هذا:
http://www.google.com/ta3reeb
مع ملاحظة ان الاخير بتاع ناس قوقل زاتهم!.



طيب يا ابو الشباب:
الخطة شنو؟ ووصلتو وين؟ والسائق الشغلانة دي منو؟ وفي كمساري ولا ماشة ساكت؟


*سؤال في النحو:
انتو بتاعت بالتاء المفتوحة ولا المقفولة؟ انا غايتو جربتهن الاتنين

[Adntu]

- ubuntu is ease to work with ( full sets of application )


دي دايرة شوية اجتهاد, خاصة بالنسبة لي زول متعود على الوندوز.


- ubuntu is not using cli only ( alot of them believe linux is only black screen cli os).


نقطة كويسة.



- ubuntu can run alot of windows application using wine, some people don't want to dump their non-free or free but not open-source application.


نقطة كويسة.



- ubuntu is secure ( no viruses , permissions system , etc .....)


نقطة ممتازة, مسالة الفيروسات دي ممكن تكون جاذبة.



- all application are free so no need to pay money or use illegal copies.


اما هنا انا بختلف معاك انت واجلال, اي زول قاعد في السودان بعرف انو حكاية مجاني وما مجاني دي ما عندها معنى, لانو الوندوز كمان مجاني في السودان, بتدفع حق السي دي بس.
فما اظنها نقطة مقنعة, الا اذا قدرتوا تقنعوا الناس اول انو يشتروا وندوز اصلي.



- bugs are fixed regularly.


ما كويس انو تذكر انو في مشاكل من اساسو, الوندوز فيو مشاكل كمان لكن ما معلنة.



- source is open so you know what is going on behind the window i mean the walls not like others.


ما كلام مناسب للشريحة المستهدفة, منو ده الممكن يكون مهتم انو يشوف الكود بتاع النواة!؟



- give them a cd as a gift to try it ( livecd is not bad as begining ).


فكرة جيدة.



- write a full topic about how to work with internet modems in sudan (canargo,sudani,zain) it is very important.


كمان فكرة ممتازة.



- try to spread ubuntu in universities it is amazing environment to ubuntu to grow.


اعتقد انو طلبة الجامعات هم حيكونوا الشريحة المستهدفة بصورة اساسية, من الصعب تقنع غيرهم بالفكرة.



- make frequently asked questions as sticky we need a help from y2j in this.


وينها هي الاسئلة والاجوبة؟ ممكن تتعمل اول.



- make a ubuntu sudan magazine ( need alot of work and experience ).


ممكن في مراحل لاحقة.


*الاراء المعلنة تعبر عن راي الكاتب, نعلن عدم تحملنا لاي مسؤولية تنتج عنها او منها, وذلك للعلم.

[Adntu]

برنامج الاوفيس ويرد


عييييك! بلنتي.

[Adntu]

وهي اني سامع اشاعات عن انو الموقع ما بدعم العربي, شنو الحاصل!؟Computerنقطة اضافية اتذكرتها بعد ما قفلت ال

[zero-n]

First thanks for your response.



طيب يا ابو الشباب:
الخطة شنو؟ ووصلتو وين؟ والسائق الشغلانة دي منو؟ وفي كمساري ولا ماشة ساكت؟


1- First we need a group of Ubuntu enthusiast.
2- We are planning to have our own website and forum ( we have a sub domain right now we can use it for testing)
3- The team leader is Y2J and i think he is busy these days.
4- If you want to be our (komsarey) no prob at all :D



وهي اني سامع اشاعات عن انو الموقع ما بدعم العربي, شنو الحاصل!؟Computerنقطة اضافية اتذكرتها بعد ما قفلت ال


Ubuntuforums.net support left to right languages but there is some problems.

look to your post here:





*الاراء المعلنة تعبر عن راي الكاتب, نعلن عدم تحملنا لاي مسؤولية تنتج عنها او منها, وذلك للعلم.


( * ) supposed to be at the beginning of the line & ( . ) at the end (wla shno)
Plus English inside Arabic can cause some problems.

We should write in Arabic no doubt in that, but we need to write it in a proper manner.

[Adntu]

انا ما بايد فكرة المنتدى المستقل, الافضل البقاء تحت مظلة الموقع الرسمي, على الاقل الداير يعرف عن اوبنتو ممكن يصل هنا.
مشكلة العربي مشكلة ضئيلة جدا تكاد لا تذكر, التنسيق متاح, الخطوط متاحة, واذا على الكتابة الانجليزي مع عربي شوف ردي البالعربي الاول بتلقى فيو الحل الساهل, وهو انو الكلمات الانجليزية تكون في سطر براها.
فالقصة في رايي ما مقلقة للدرجة دي, ولا كيف؟ Home واذا داير الحل الصعب شوف ردي الاخير, وهو باستخدام زر

[Netcowboy]

This point is so interesting. i think we should make clear that :

- Ubuntu is ease to work with ( Full sets of application )
- Ubuntu is not using CLI only ( alot of them believe Linux is only black screen CLI OS).
- Ubuntu can run alot of Windows application using Wine, some people don't want to dump their non-free or free but not open-source application.
- Ubuntu is secure ( no viruses , permissions system , etc .....)
- All application are free so no need to pay money or use illegal copies.
- Bugs are fixed regularly.
- Source is open so you know what is going on behind the window i mean the walls not like others.
- Give them a CD as a gift to try it ( liveCD is not bad as begining ).
- Write a full topic about how to work with internet modems in Sudan (CanarGO,Sudani,Zain) it is very important.
- Try to spread Ubuntu in universities it is amazing environment to Ubuntu to grow. (I met my lovely disotro there )
- Make frequently asked questions as Sticky we need a help from Y2J in this.
- make a Ubuntu Sudan magazine ( need alot of work and experience ).


If you find more just add it.


سلام والله المشاركة دي عجبتني جدا و انا محتاج ليها شديد
في الجامعة في ناس كتار بشوفوك شغال بي يوبونتو بيسالوك ليه و حا استفيد شنو و بسالوك عنو و بما انو كتار من ال
linux users
ممكن يعتبرهم البعض
just Geekz
وانو اقناع الناس صعب او بالاصح توصيل الفكرة لاشخاص عاديين يعني ما بتاعين كمبيوتر بختلف عن انك تشرح لي زول بتاع كمبيوتر وما عارف لو في بس اذا مافي بيكون كويس اذا اتعمل بوست عن تسويق المصادر المفتوحة عاما و يوبونتو خاصة يعني يكون البوست ذي في نهايتو يوكن دليل كدا لينا ولي الناس العايزة تساهم في
Spreeding the word :P:lolflag:

Samer :)