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ssj6akshat
December 22nd, 2009, 03:51 PM
http://images4.wikia.nocookie.net/uncyclopedia/images/b/b4/Windows_7_editions.png

nmccrina
December 22nd, 2009, 03:57 PM
Where is the Windows 7 Hannah Montana Edition?

ssj6akshat
December 22nd, 2009, 04:01 PM
I Heard of Hannah Montana Linux(Seriously not joking) but not Hannah Montana Windows.

Psumi
December 22nd, 2009, 04:04 PM
Cool story, sis.

nmccrina
December 22nd, 2009, 04:07 PM
I Heard of HAnnah Montana Linux(Seriously not joking) but not Hannah Montana Windows.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sarcasm ;-)

Psumi
December 22nd, 2009, 04:08 PM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sarcasm ;-)

I hope THAT was Sarcasm.

ssj6akshat
December 22nd, 2009, 04:09 PM
Typo Corrected

ssj6akshat
December 22nd, 2009, 04:09 PM
Cool story, sis.

Hey I'm Bro.Not Sis

Psumi
December 22nd, 2009, 04:10 PM
Hey I'm Bro.Not Sis

Cool story, sis.

pwnst*r
December 22nd, 2009, 04:11 PM
2 gazillioin iterations of linux. what's your point.

nmccrina
December 22nd, 2009, 04:12 PM
I hope THAT was Sarcasm.

What?

LowSky
December 22nd, 2009, 04:13 PM
Detroit is an emerging market? REALLY?

RiceMonster
December 22nd, 2009, 04:13 PM
2 gazillioin iterations of linux. what's your point.

It's ok if linux does it, but not M$ 'cause they're evilz!!!11

MaindotC
December 22nd, 2009, 04:14 PM
2 gazillioin iterations of linux. what's your point.

You can't make your own distribution of Winblows :D

nmccrina
December 22nd, 2009, 04:17 PM
You can't make your own distribution of Winblows :D

Chuck Norris can.

pwnst*r
December 22nd, 2009, 04:19 PM
You can't make your own distribution of Winblows :D

you sad, sad, little man.

Tristam Green
December 22nd, 2009, 04:22 PM
2 gazillioin iterations of linux. what's your point.

Linux's new slogan:

"Get forked!"

hoppipolla
December 22nd, 2009, 04:26 PM
What about Windows 7 GOOD Edition? hehe ^_^

http://citramoon.files.wordpress.com/2009/10/karmic-cd.jpg

nerdy_kid
December 22nd, 2009, 04:31 PM
@hoppipolla
ohhh that windows 7 looks awesome, i think ill try it out! LOL

hoppipolla
December 22nd, 2009, 04:34 PM
@hoppipolla
ohhh that windows 7 looks awesome, i think ill try it out! LOL

^_^

pwnst*r
December 22nd, 2009, 05:17 PM
What about Windows 7 GOOD Edition? hehe ^_^

http://citramoon.files.wordpress.com/2009/10/karmic-cd.jpg

knee slapper.

Marlonsm
December 22nd, 2009, 05:22 PM
Something tells me that the last one will be the top-selling, I mean, top-downloaded.


It's ok if linux does it, but not M$ 'cause they're evilz!!!11

Of course it is... :lolflag:

*Right clicks the image and sees the very trustful source it is from*
http://ubuntuforums.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=140850&stc=1&d=1261499083

madnessjack
December 22nd, 2009, 05:33 PM
Secure edition made me laugh. Security through obscurity and all that :P

Frak
December 22nd, 2009, 05:50 PM
2 gazillioin iterations of linux. what's your point.
http://i49.tinypic.com/2cy39k6.jpg
icwutudidthar

But it's true.

Hwt
December 22nd, 2009, 05:58 PM
What about Windows 7 GOOD Edition? hehe ^_^

http://citramoon.files.wordpress.com/2009/10/karmic-cd.jpg

That's a REALLY nice CD label. Do you know by any chance where I can find more of those?

Jimleko211
December 22nd, 2009, 06:36 PM
Haha, love Win 7 Secure Edition.

LeifAndersen
December 22nd, 2009, 06:50 PM
What about Windows 7 GOOD Edition? hehe ^_^

http://citramoon.files.wordpress.com/2009/10/karmic-cd.jpg
More like windows 7, actually usable edition. ;)
Okay, fine. I admit it, windows 7 is a decent enough OS.

hoppipolla
December 22nd, 2009, 07:57 PM
That's a REALLY nice CD label. Do you know by any chance where I can find more of those?
lol no not really I just googled "ubuntu karmic cd" and it was one of the hits I got! If you do that too or find the site's url through the image's source (I cant coz Im on my phone atm) you will find it and others Im sure :)

sudoer541
December 22nd, 2009, 09:35 PM
Where is the Windows 7 Hannah Montana Edition?


yyeeeeeeeeeee eeeeeeeeeeeeeeee eeeee! Party in the U S A!!!



yyeeeeeeeeeee eeeeeeeeeeeeeeee eeeee! Party in the U S A!!!

kamaboko
December 22nd, 2009, 09:45 PM
Uhhh....and how many versions of Linux are floating around out there? 100+? :lolflag:

lisati
December 22nd, 2009, 09:48 PM
Anyone else notice how the description of the Starter edition refers to XP?

Marlonsm
December 23rd, 2009, 12:11 AM
Anyone else notice how the description of the Starter edition refers to XP?

It compares Seven starter to XP starter to show how nice they were by letting people use more of their own hardware (1Gb vs 4 Gb of RAM)
Anyway, it's from Uncyclopedia, not to be taken seriously.

pwnst*r
December 23rd, 2009, 12:29 AM
Anyone else notice how the description of the Starter edition refers to XP?

calm down there, spanky.

koleoptero
December 23rd, 2009, 01:53 AM
I just love all the people that compare the various linux distributions to the various versions of windows. You guys are the spirit of these threads!

Linux distributions vary in artwork, tools, desktop environments and other such things. They are not crippled versions of one another. And they are not released by the same company.

So, yeah, stop comparing.



I just had to, I would blow up if I didn't say this.

I really laughed at the Windows 7 voting machine and the rapid transport by helicopter or speedboat to Paraguay.

pwnst*r
December 23rd, 2009, 02:02 AM
I just love all the people that compare the various linux distributions to the various versions of windows. You guys are the spirit of these threads!

Linux distributions vary in artwork, tools, desktop environments and other such things. They are not crippled versions of one another. And they are not released by the same company.

So, yeah, stop comparing.





blah blah blah

Queue29
December 23rd, 2009, 02:31 AM
blah blah blah

can't top that

Psumi
December 23rd, 2009, 02:31 AM
can't top that

Can't touch this.

hoppipolla
December 23rd, 2009, 02:33 AM
Uhhh....and how many versions of Linux are floating around out there? 100+? :lolflag:

I don't really think that's the point for comparison though.

Surely the point of comparison is versions of (current release) UBUNTU Vs versions of Windows 7.

Hwt
December 23rd, 2009, 02:45 AM
Surely the point of comparison is versions of (current release) UBUNTU Vs versions of Windows 7.

The difference is that the other versions of Ubuntu aren't crippled. Well, except for Xubuntu, but that's for a different reason.

pwnst*r
December 23rd, 2009, 03:05 AM
I don't really think that's the point for comparison though.

Surely the point of comparison is versions of (current release) UBUNTU Vs versions of Windows 7.

yet you're comparing false versions of win7. yeah, real good point and comparison.


lulz.

pwnst*r
December 23rd, 2009, 03:06 AM
can't top that

at least you realize.

ElSlunko
December 23rd, 2009, 03:07 AM
It's just funny, calm the hell down.

Frak
December 23rd, 2009, 03:13 AM
yet you're comparing false versions of win7. yeah, real good point and comparison.


lulz.
Haha, can't top that.

pwnst*r
December 23rd, 2009, 03:18 AM
It's just funny, calm the hell down.

yes, because i'm so angry. grrr..

phrostbyte
December 23rd, 2009, 03:20 AM
I think the Linux hating members of this forum love to overreact at every little anti-MS joke someone makes. Wonder why? :P

ElSlunko
December 23rd, 2009, 03:22 AM
yes, because i'm so angry. grrr..

Sarcasm noted. Continue the anti-preacher campaign!

Hwt
December 23rd, 2009, 03:23 AM
yes, because i'm so angry. grrr..

Reagan smash!

Giant Speck
December 23rd, 2009, 03:23 AM
This joke is several months old. It was hilarious when it first surfaced, but now it's just kind of meh. The whole "Windows 7 has already been released" thing seems to have diluted the comedy.

ElSlunko
December 23rd, 2009, 03:24 AM
I think the Linux hating members of this forum love to overreact at every little anti-MS joke someone makes. Wonder why? :P

They don't hate linux! Just preaching. But seriously the sensitivity towards MS is getting ridiculous. I think they like to hang out here because they love the controversy and where else would an MS supporter better put their flag down than in a Linux forum.

With that said, I don't hate either, I don't like to argue either. No point, both projects are humming along pretty well.

pwnst*r
December 23rd, 2009, 03:30 AM
I think the Linux hating members of this forum love to overreact at every little anti-MS joke someone makes. Wonder why? :P

uh.. i use linux daily.


/fail

http://i49.tinypic.com/2ur1r7s.png

RiceMonster
December 23rd, 2009, 03:40 AM
I think the Linux hating members of this forum love to overreact at every little anti-MS joke someone makes. Wonder why? :P

Linux hating members?

Frak
December 23rd, 2009, 03:42 AM
uh.. i use linux daily.


/fail

Same

http://i45.tinypic.com/15ttfc_th.jpg (http://i45.tinypic.com/15ttfc.jpg)

Hwt
December 23rd, 2009, 03:42 AM
uh.. i use linux daily.

That was sarcasm, did you not notice the smiley?


For those of you who are wondering: the majority of Microsoft defenders on this forum are just Linux users who are tired of people thinking that they're "ber 1337" just because they put a dollar sign in Microsoft.

"Oh I just put a dollar sign in Microsoft. I'm so witty and clever, and this has totally never been done before!"

To be honest, Microsoft isn't really that bad, either. Sure, their business practices aren't the greatest, but what business hasn't done mudslinging?

Microsoft: "FOSS violates 234 of our patents"
RedHat: "Sun's Solaris is no where near as reliable as our Redhat."

Mudslinging is the name, and business is the game.

Sure, they violated anti-trust regulations 10 years ago. It's time to forgive, forget, move on, and try to bridge the divide with love rather than hate. Until you realize that, you'll never truly see the "death" of Microsoft as we know it today.

Frak
December 23rd, 2009, 03:43 AM
That was sarcasm, did you not notice the smiley?


For those of you who are wondering: the majority of Microsoft defenders on this forum are just Linux users who are tired of people thinking that they're "ber 1337" just because they put a dollar sign in Microsoft.

"Oh I just put a dollar sign in Microsoft. I'm so witty and clever, and this has totally never been done before!"

To be honest, Microsoft isn't really that bad, either. Sure, their business practices aren't the greatest, but what business hasn't done mudslinging?

Microsoft: "FOSS violates 234 of our patents"
RedHat: "Sun's Solaris is no where near as reliable as our Redhat."

Mudslinging is the name, and business is the game.

Sure, they violated anti-trust regulations 10 years ago. It's time to forgive, forget, move on, and try to bridge the divide with love rather than hate. Until you realize that, you'll never truly see the "death" of Microsoft as we know it today.
This post, rolled into a tortilla shell, covered in awesomesauce, and then injested by the most awesomest person alive.

RiceMonster
December 23rd, 2009, 03:48 AM
Same

http://i45.tinypic.com/15ttfc_th.jpg (http://i45.tinypic.com/15ttfc.jpg)

Just because it's the cool thing to do right now.

http://omploader.org/tMzI3cA (http://omploader.org/vMzI3cA)

pwnst*r
December 23rd, 2009, 03:49 AM
Same

http://i45.tinypic.com/15ttfc_th.jpg (http://i45.tinypic.com/15ttfc.jpg)

hawt.

Frak
December 23rd, 2009, 03:53 AM
Just because it's the cool thing to do right now.

http://omploader.org/tMzI3cA (http://omploader.org/vMzI3cA)
Do want theme.

Giant Speck
December 23rd, 2009, 03:55 AM
Linux hating members?

You know, those Linsux trolls. They're only here to cause mischief.

And since we're all posting Windows screenshots, I'll post one, too:

http://i279.photobucket.com/albums/kk122/SpecKtacle/th_snapshot11.png (http://i279.photobucket.com/albums/kk122/SpecKtacle/snapshot11.png)

Oh wait...

RiceMonster
December 23rd, 2009, 03:55 AM
Do want theme.

'tis just Shiki-Colors (http://gnome-look.org/content/show.php/Shiki-Colors?content=86717), and gnome-colors icons.

phrostbyte
December 23rd, 2009, 03:58 AM
That was sarcasm, did you not notice the smiley?

For those of you who are wondering: the majority of Microsoft defenders on this forum are just Linux users who are tired of people thinking that they're "ber 1337" just because they put a dollar sign in Microsoft

What's funny is I didn't even mention anyone. Seems like there is a sense of self guilt around these parts. :lolflag:



Sure, they violated anti-trust regulations 10 years ago. It's time to forgive, forget, move on, and try to bridge the divide with love rather than hate. Until you realize that, you'll never truly see the "death" of Microsoft as we know it today.

Personally I'm a big supporter of getting Microsoft to see things our way instead of trying to topple them, which is unlikely anyway. I've made threads highlighting such attempts of "fighting the proprietary status quo" surprisingly emanating from within Microsoft's walls (for instance, this (http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1357107) or this (http://www.lulu.com/content/4964815)). However these threads never get quite as popular (or controversial) as the "let's pwn Microsoft" type threads. :)

But that has nothing to do with anti-MS jokes and people's oversensitivity to them. This is ultimately a Linux forum and MS jokes go with the territory. Trying to stop the MS joking or even hate is like trying to topple Microsoft, pointless really.

Maybe a better endeavor is an "OS War!!! (http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=644212)". That's something I'm willing to participate in with the Windows/anti-Linux fans. Then we can see who the real winner is. :)

pwnst*r
December 23rd, 2009, 04:02 AM
Just because it's the cool thing to do right now.

http://omploader.org/tMzI3cA (http://omploader.org/vMzI3cA)

what's that bg?

Frak
December 23rd, 2009, 04:10 AM
'tis just Shiki-Colors (http://gnome-look.org/content/show.php/Shiki-Colors?content=86717), and gnome-colors icons.
Thaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaanks

RiceMonster
December 23rd, 2009, 04:12 AM
what's that bg?

http://omploader.org/tMzI3dg (http://omploader.org/vMzI3dg)

It's from Darker than Black, if you're wondering.


Thaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaanks

nooooooooooo problem

phrostbyte
December 23rd, 2009, 04:18 AM
I'm impressed. You all have very nice desktops. =D>

pwnst*r
December 23rd, 2009, 04:18 AM
http://omploader.org/tMzI3dg (http://omploader.org/vMzI3dg)

It's from Darker than Black, if you're wondering.



nooooooooooo problem

snagged, thanks!

Frak
December 23rd, 2009, 04:27 AM
Looks nicer

http://i48.tinypic.com/mrtvtk_th.png (http://i48.tinypic.com/mrtvtk.jpg)

pwnst*r
December 23rd, 2009, 04:28 AM
k, i changed my mind, i want that wall.

RiceMonster
December 23rd, 2009, 04:37 AM
Looks nicer

http://i48.tinypic.com/mrtvtk_th.png (http://i48.tinypic.com/mrtvtk.jpg)

Christmasy, I like.

pwnst*r
December 23rd, 2009, 04:37 AM
Bam!

Tristam Green
December 23rd, 2009, 04:47 AM
am i doing it right

phrostbyte
December 23rd, 2009, 04:53 AM
am i doing it right

You win. :)

hoppipolla
December 23rd, 2009, 04:59 AM
yet you're comparing false versions of win7. yeah, real good point and comparison.


lulz.

haha I did nothing of the sort, I just made a simple point!


I think the Linux hating members of this forum love to overreact at every little anti-MS joke someone makes. Wonder why? :P

yeah I do understand this point! I mean I know some of it might be like anti-fanboyism or whatever or just liking m$ as much as Linux, but I do find that hard to see through all the Linux-bashing and very keen Windows defending!

Whatever, I do quite like poking fun at Windows here as of course I can do it with others who often share my views ^_^ I don't HATE Windows 7, I just find it quite dull and restrictive and controlling, and I support open source as an alternative!

Anyway... off-topic... heh :)

sdlynx
December 23rd, 2009, 05:03 AM
@hoppipolla
ohhh that windows 7 looks awesome, i think ill try it out! LOL

pirated it. =D

pwnst*r
December 23rd, 2009, 05:04 AM
pirated it. =D

wow, you're so cool.

Frak
December 23rd, 2009, 05:06 AM
wow, you're so cool.
You know it.

sdlynx
December 23rd, 2009, 05:12 AM
wow, you're so cool.

I think you missed the reference

steveneddy
December 23rd, 2009, 05:21 AM
Where is the Windows 7 Hannah Montana Edition?

I was only able to find it at Best Buy.com.

I love the new Hanna Montana Windows edition.

I finally found a version of Windows that I can dual boot with.

And the HM boot screen really ROCKS!

I also love the Billy Ray Cyrus voice overs saying

"You have mail"

and

"Welcome to Windows! Yee haw!"

really kick a s s .

pwnst*r
December 23rd, 2009, 05:22 AM
h...but I do find that hard to see through all the Linux-bashing and very keen Windows defending!



please show me where there's linux bashing.

pwnst*r
December 23rd, 2009, 05:23 AM
I think you missed the reference

i obviously did. found.

hoppipolla
December 23rd, 2009, 05:36 AM
please show me where there's linux bashing.

well, I wasn't just talking about you!

meh, I mean with the anti-ms stuff... I think it's to be expected. Not only do most people on here choose Linux over Windows, a lot of them disagree with or dislike the closed source OS model, for whatever reasons.

So... I think a certain amount of negativity towards them is pretty expected...

Joke is even if I really liked Windows/ms I would still tease them - I tease Linux all the time! I also like poking fun at Steve Ballmer xD

phrostbyte
December 23rd, 2009, 05:56 AM
yeah I do understand this point! I mean I know some of it might be like anti-fanboyism or whatever or just liking m$ as much as Linux, but I do find that hard to see through all the Linux-bashing and very keen Windows defending!

Ah, the anti-fanboy fanboy. I keenly remember someone lecturing about how bad fanboys are whilst having a baseball team as an avatar.

It's interesting how being a fanboy of a completely artificial and meaningless cause is somehow considered mature or acceptable. However being a fanboy of an world-changing OS and the complex socio-political movement behind it is not. This I will never understand.

Marvin666
December 23rd, 2009, 06:11 AM
The difference is that the other versions of Ubuntu aren't crippled. Well, except for Xubuntu, but that's for a different reason.
I'm going to pretend I didn't see you post that.

hoppipolla
December 23rd, 2009, 02:45 PM
Ah, the anti-fanboy fanboy. I keenly remember someone lecturing about how bad fanboys are whilst having a baseball team as an avatar.

It's interesting how being a fanboy of a completely artificial and meaningless cause is somehow considered mature or acceptable. However being a fanboy of an world-changing OS and the complex socio-political movement behind it is not. This I will never understand.

yeah I mean thing is, I am a "fan" of many different things that I perceive as working for good or representing in some way positive changes and movements :)

I love the Green Party here in the UK, Greenpeace, Fair Trade, ethical banking, renewable energy, I'm mostly vegetarian, peace movements etc, and Ubuntu and open source is just one of these things that I really quite appreciate!

I am a fan of things because I like them, it's to do with believing in something and supporting it! ^_^

RiceMonster
December 23rd, 2009, 02:51 PM
Ah, the anti-fanboy fanboy. I keenly remember someone lecturing about how bad fanboys are whilst having a baseball team as an avatar.

It's interesting how being a fanboy of a completely artificial and meaningless cause is somehow considered mature or acceptable. However being a fanboy of an world-changing OS and the complex socio-political movement behind it is not. This I will never understand.

Who said being a fanboy of a sports team is acceptable? Plus, just because their avatar is a baseball team does not mean they're a fanboy in the first place, just like one is not a fanboy just because they may have a tux avatar.

Also, your post pretty much explains why people don't like Linux fanboys when you call FOSS a "complex socio-political movement". It's just software. Go outside, and make some friends. You take your computer WAY too seriously. Please, do not compare it to any form of human rights movements, because it's not, no matter how much you think it is. Go and meet some people who really need help, and you'll realize how irrelevant "software freedom" really is.

pwnst*r
December 23rd, 2009, 02:54 PM
Who said being a fanboy of a sports team is acceptable? Plus, just because their avatar is a baseball team does not mean they're a fanboy in the first place, just like one is not a fanboy just because they may have a tux avatar.

Also, your post pretty much explains why people don't like Linux fanboys when you call FOSS a "complex socio-political movement". It's just software. Go outside, and make some friends. You take your computer WAY too seriously. Please, do not compare it to any form of human rights movements, because it's not, no matter how much you think it is. Go and meet some people who really need help, and you'll realize how irrelevant "software freedom" really is.

^^this by a landslide. that's almost a call for a change in my sig.

Hyporeal
December 23rd, 2009, 03:38 PM
Also, your post pretty much explains why people don't like Linux fanboys when you call FOSS a "complex socio-political movement". It's just software. Go outside, and make some friends. You take your computer WAY too seriously. Please, do not compare it to any form of human rights movements, because it's not, no matter how much you think it is. Go and meet some people who really need help, and you'll realize how irrelevant "software freedom" really is.

Free culture (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_Culture_movement) is significantly more than software and copyright. It is a completely different social structure called a Gift Economy (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gift_economy). As for your comment on human rights, those advocating fundamental changes in the way people access goods and ideas are arguably doing more lasting good than charities that attempt to fight the tide of economics by redistributing capital wealth.

I don't care what silly kids you've encountered who use a dollar sign when spelling "Microsoft" and load their text full of Internet acronyms. The Free Culture movement is genuine.

hoppipolla
December 23rd, 2009, 03:42 PM
Who said being a fanboy of a sports team is acceptable? Plus, just because their avatar is a baseball team does not mean they're a fanboy in the first place, just like one is not a fanboy just because they may have a tux avatar.

Also, your post pretty much explains why people don't like Linux fanboys when you call FOSS a "complex socio-political movement". It's just software. Go outside, and make some friends. You take your computer WAY too seriously. Please, do not compare it to any form of human rights movements, because it's not, no matter how much you think it is. Go and meet some people who really need help, and you'll realize how irrelevant "software freedom" really is.

actually, it is. Software is a huge part of the modern world... just like hardware is. Besides, it's all good fun, and I still don't think there's anything wrong with supporting something, it's wonderful to have passion and know what you believe, although I agree that solely focusing all that on software is a bit much, as there is more to the world! :)

RiceMonster
December 23rd, 2009, 03:54 PM
Free culture (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_Culture_movement) is significantly more than software and copyright. It is a completely different social structure called a Gift Economy (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gift_economy). As for your comment on human rights, those advocating fundamental changes in the way people access goods and ideas are arguably doing more lasting good than charities that attempt to fight the tide of economics by redistributing capital wealth.

I don't care what silly kids you've encountered who use a dollar sign when spelling "Microsoft" and load their text full of Internet acronyms. The Free Culture movement is genuine.

I never said there's no value or good things about these ideals. I'm talking specifically about extremists, and conspiracy theorists who play the issue up to be way more than it is.

Also, please do not undermine the work people in charities do.


actually, it is. Software is a huge part of the modern world... just like hardware is. Besides, it's all good fun, and I still don't think there's anything wrong with supporting something, it's wonderful to have passion and know what you believe, although I agree that solely focusing all that on software is a bit much, as there is more to the world! :)

I'm not saying you shouldn't support FOSS, because I think it's a good thing, and I would like to see open source grow as well. I'm talking specifically about people who take a more religious approach and call it a human right that they have access to a program's source code. Based on your last sentence, I don't think your views are too far from mine on that.

hoppipolla
December 23rd, 2009, 04:02 PM
I'm not saying you shouldn't support FOSS, because I think it's a good thing, and I would like to see open source grow as well. I'm talking specifically about people who take a more religious approach and call it a human right that they have access to a program's source code. Based on your last sentence, I don't think your views are too far from mine on that.

haha yeah ok we agree :)

People can be a bit too obsessed with open sourcing everything as if it's somehow the "ethical" thing to do, even though releasing code closed source is surely the decision of the developers!

I use 99% open source, and I do often choose things because they are open, but I have no issues with developers releasing something closed, I just may be personally less inclined to use it! hehe :)

Tristam Green
December 23rd, 2009, 04:36 PM
Free culture (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_Culture_movement) is significantly more than software and copyright. It is a completely different social structure called a Gift Economy (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gift_economy). As for your comment on human rights, those advocating fundamental changes in the way people access goods and ideas are arguably doing more lasting good than charities that attempt to fight the tide of economics by redistributing capital wealth.

I don't care what silly kids you've encountered who use a dollar sign when spelling "Microsoft" and load their text full of Internet acronyms. The Free Culture movement is genuine.

Then the FOSS fundies need to get off the nads of groups like the FSF, and apply that concept *everywhere*. I'm curious how many times The Almighty (rms for us unwashed) has given handouts of food, shelter, money, water, clothing, etc. to his fellow Man.

That's right. I just told the "Free Software is a human right" people to put up or shut up on an epic scale.

pwnst*r
December 23rd, 2009, 04:41 PM
lol

MasterNetra
December 23rd, 2009, 04:48 PM
lol

I support this comment.

Hyporeal
December 23rd, 2009, 05:06 PM
I never said there's no value or good things about these ideals. I'm talking specifically about extremists, and conspiracy theorists who play the issue up to be way more than it is.

You directly expressed that the socio-political movement behind FOSS (i.e. Free Culture) is "just software". My only aim is to correct that misconception. Although I agree with the movement in principle, I am not prepared to argue for it yet.

I am still getting the impression that you are arguing against someone or something that is not present in this thread. Who is the extremist? What is the conspiracy theory?


Also, please do not undermine the work people in charities do.

You seem to be accusing me of undermining the work of charities. This is absurd.

RiceMonster
December 23rd, 2009, 05:16 PM
You directly expressed that the socio-political movement behind FOSS (i.e. Free Culture) is "just software". My only aim is to correct that misconception. Although I agree with the movement in principle, I am not prepared to argue for it yet.

I was talking about FSF-like beliefs. No, it's not your human right to have access to my source code. Go outside. Notice here where phrostbyte said, "However being a fanboy of an world-changing OS and the complex socio-political movement behind it is not". It was implied that it was about Free Software.


I am still getting the impression that you are arguing against someone or something that is not present in this thread. Who is the extremist? What is the conspiracy theory?

Correct, it hasn't really happened in this thread. I was basically arguing before it did happen, because I know how a number of people here would respond.

hoppipolla
December 23rd, 2009, 05:23 PM
Then the FOSS fundies need to get off the nads of groups like the FSF, and apply that concept *everywhere*. I'm curious how many times The Almighty (rms for us unwashed) has given handouts of food, shelter, money, water, clothing, etc. to his fellow Man.

That's right. I just told the "Free Software is a human right" people to put up or shut up on an epic scale.

lol I think we may be moving into VAST generalizations here! I think the group of people who are fanatically into open source but don't care about other causes at all must be fairly small!

Also, I mean there is also a chance that even amongst this minority quite a few just don't know YET. I mean I've seen people apply proper hippy and anarchist attitudes to open source, and sometimes it could be just because they aren't fully aware yet of other places they can apply them. There is a lot to learn about in this crazy world ^_^

RiceMonster
December 23rd, 2009, 05:27 PM
I think the group of people who are fanatically into open source but don't care about other causes at all must be fairly small!

http://www.fsf.org/

Luckily though, you are right. I think there are more people in the open source world that care about real issues, and want to focus on technology.

beercz
December 23rd, 2009, 05:37 PM
<sigh>
Not more Microsoft bashing ..... it is getting tiresome.
</sigh>

NCLI
December 23rd, 2009, 05:43 PM
<sigh>
Not more Microsoft bashing ..... it is getting tiresome.
</sigh>

Translation: I didn't read the thread but presumed that the same thing hadn't been endlessly repeated for the past 10 pages.

beercz
December 23rd, 2009, 05:46 PM
Translation: I didn't read the thread but presumed that the same thing hadn't been endlessly repeated for the past 10 pages.
Error in translation: The first post and the thread title was MS Windows bashing and not that funny!

Methuselah
December 23rd, 2009, 05:47 PM
lol, Good one. :D
Fenestration Edition Perdition

Giant Speck
December 23rd, 2009, 05:57 PM
Error in translation: The first post and the thread title was MS Windows bashing and not that funny!

Misinterpretation: The first post was supposed to be comedic and not inflammatory in nature.

Frak
December 23rd, 2009, 06:01 PM
Translation: I didn't read the thread but presumed that the same thing hadn't been endlessly repeated for the past 10 pages.
10 Pages? I only have 3...

hoppipolla
December 23rd, 2009, 08:22 PM
http://www.fsf.org/

Luckily though, you are right. I think there are more people in the open source world that care about real issues, and want to focus on technology.

Ok it's a little scary yeah how seriously some people take it yeah.. heh :)

I know very little about the FSF although I'm browsing their About pages... so are they just the king of driving force behind the GNU Project?

To be fair as much as I'm into Linux and have been for a long time, I've never really looked into this stuff as I guess I just assumed it sat in the background governing the legal stuff and as long as Linux, Mark and projects like KDE are happy with it then I am too... does that make sense?

And besides you usually end up with a FEW crazy fanatics at the top, you need people to kind of drive the project and they can't just sit back apathetically and say "yeah it's alright!" xD

SuperSonic4
December 23rd, 2009, 08:29 PM
What about Windows 7 GOOD Edition? hehe ^_^

http://citramoon.files.wordpress.com/2009/10/karmic-cd.jpg

What, no Kubuntu CD? I'm disappointed in you :p

hoppipolla
December 23rd, 2009, 08:58 PM
What, no Kubuntu CD? I'm disappointed in you :p

haha well even I tend to install Ubuntu first then just install the latest kubuntu-desktop on top of it! I'm not sure if I really consider Kubuntu mature enough as a standalone distro yet... I could be wrong though :)

phrostbyte
December 23rd, 2009, 09:08 PM
Who said being a fanboy of a sports team is acceptable? Plus, just because their avatar is a baseball team does not mean they're a fanboy in the first place, just like one is not a fanboy just because they may have a tux avatar.

Also, your post pretty much explains why people don't like Linux fanboys when you call FOSS a "complex socio-political movement". It's just software. Go outside, and make some friends. You take your computer WAY too seriously. Please, do not compare it to any form of human rights movements, because it's not, no matter how much you think it is. Go and meet some people who really need help, and you'll realize how irrelevant "software freedom" really is.

I call free culture a complex socio-political movement because that's what it is. Free culture is tied to the idea of free speech and free expression, and these things are considered human rights. Why shouldn't free culture be a human right?

Proprietary media often leads to outright censorship, and restraint of creativity, and leads to something called a permission culture. For example of how proprietary media causes censorship, look no further then YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cg8dYL3an9k

phrostbyte
December 23rd, 2009, 09:20 PM
Ok it's a little scary yeah how seriously some people take it yeah.. heh :)

I know very little about the FSF although I'm browsing their About pages... so are they just the king of driving force behind the GNU Project?

To be fair as much as I'm into Linux and have been for a long time, I've never really looked into this stuff as I guess I just assumed it sat in the background governing the legal stuff and as long as Linux, Mark and projects like KDE are happy with it then I am too... does that make sense?

And besides you usually end up with a FEW crazy fanatics at the top, you need people to kind of drive the project and they can't just sit back apathetically and say "yeah it's alright!" xD

The FSF the original free software advocacy group, started by MIT Computer Scientist/Physicist Richard Stallman.

They have a philosophy section which explains why they believe free software is superior:

http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/why-free.html

Free culture is the extension of free software to encompass all culture objects. It was originally advocated by Harvard law professor Lawrence Lessig in his book "Free Culture". Which is definitely worth a read, by the way. :) The biggest organization within this group is probably the "Students for Free Culture", which is in my sig.

Frak
December 23rd, 2009, 09:36 PM
The FSF the original free software advocacy group, started by MIT Computer Scientist/Physicist Richard Stallman.

They have a philosophy section which explains why they believe free software is superior:

http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/why-free.html

Free culture is the extension of free software to encompass all culture objects. It was originally advocated by Harvard law professor Lawrence Lessig in his book "Free Culture". Which is definitely worth a read, by the way. :) The biggest organization within this group is probably the "Students for Free Culture", which is in my sig.
I'm with Torvalds on this one:


Anybody who tells me I can’t use a program because it’s not open source, go **** on rms. I’m not interested. 99% of that I run tends to be open source, but that’s _my_ choice, dammit.

phrostbyte
December 23rd, 2009, 09:40 PM
I'm with Torvalds on this one:

Torvalds has been wrong at a lot of other things, for instance his instance that unit testing is a waste of time. :lolflag:

RiceMonster
December 23rd, 2009, 09:43 PM
Torvalds has been wrong at a lot of other things, for instance his instance that unit testing is a waste of time. :lolflag:

Right, because that has to do with said quote.

phrostbyte
December 23rd, 2009, 09:45 PM
Right, because that has to do with said quote.

Well it's similar in that I disagree with both. Plus in the context of the quote (BitKepper) happened to be on of Linus's worst mistakes.

Tristam Green
December 23rd, 2009, 09:47 PM
It's faulty logic. Torvalds was wrong once (heavens forbid, he's a human), therefore everything he says must be called into question.

Nobody addressed my post, or answered my challenged, except for a couple of "lols". I appreciate them, but that wasn't my aim.

Hoppi, I'm sure there are plenty of folks in the Free Software "Movement" that care only about technology. That's my point. It's fine if they only care about tech, but it's another entirely to liken it to basic human needs. It's like saying that land ownership is a human right (ooooh Manifest Destiny).

I don't know how more succinctly I can say this. Software...is not... a basic human need.

RiceMonster
December 23rd, 2009, 09:51 PM
Well it's similar in that I disagree with both. Plus in the context of the quote (BitKepper) happened to be on of Linus's worst mistakes.

Despite it being about BitKepper, that's really not relevant to the point that was being made with that quote. Again, you're not addressing the actual argument.

koleoptero
December 23rd, 2009, 10:16 PM
I wonder why this thread hasn't been closed. It's been completely derailed for pages...

pwnst*r
December 23rd, 2009, 10:26 PM
Torvalds has been wrong at a lot of other things, for instance his instance that unit testing is a waste of time. :lolflag:

and Stallman's been right on the money.

rofl.

phrostbyte
December 23rd, 2009, 10:55 PM
Despite it being about BitKepper, that's really not relevant to the point that was being made with that quote. Again, you're not addressing the actual argument.

The point being made with the quote is faulty. Because what Linus actually did was force a piece of closed source software on everyone doing Linux kernel development, essentially making the "choice" you seem to hold so dear for a number of people.

BitMover ultimately pulled the plug on BitKepper (something RMS has predicted in his philosophy). At that point, Linus had no choice but to recreate an entire SCM from scratch or risk having Linux kernel development turn to chaos. Thankfully he did (hello Git) and he did it fast. Which I think proves he is a great engineer. But a great philosopher he is not.

Frak
December 23rd, 2009, 10:57 PM
on everyone doing Linux kernel development

His kernel. If they don't want to work on it, they don't have to.

phrostbyte
December 23rd, 2009, 10:59 PM
His kernel. If they don't want to work on it, they don't have to.

Point is, what is describing is not personal liberty, but the right to force others to your will, ie, the "right" of oppression.

Frak
December 23rd, 2009, 11:03 PM
Point is, what is describing is not personal liberty, but the right to force others to your will, ie, the "right" of oppression.
He didn't force anybody to work on the kernel. He didn't force anybody's will nor take away their personal liberty. Stallman, on the other hand, blatantly says all software should be open source.

phrostbyte
December 23rd, 2009, 11:08 PM
He didn't force anybody to work on the kernel. He didn't force anybody's will nor take away their personal liberty. Stallman, on the other hand, blatantly says all software should be open source.

Nobody forced Galileo to write about astronomy. Doesn't mean the actions taken against him were wrong.

As per Stallman, I agree with your observation. But I hope you understand the difference between "should" and "must".

Frak
December 23rd, 2009, 11:21 PM
Nobody forced Galileo to write about astronomy. Doesn't mean the actions taken against him were wrong.

What does that have to do with Torvalds choosing to use a proprietary code management system?


As per Stallman, I agree with your observation. But I hope you understand the difference between "should" and "must".

Yeah, you should use Open Source or I must banish you, for I am STALLMAN, RULER OF THE UNIVERSE.

phrostbyte
December 23rd, 2009, 11:27 PM
What does that have to do with Torvalds choosing to use a proprietary code management system?

He is forcing people accept a restrictive EULA (violating such things as their freedom of speech, as we saw with the BitMover drama), in order to participate in development.




Yeah, you should use Open Source or I must banish you, for I am STALLMAN, RULER OF THE UNIVERSE.

Last time I checked, Stallman wasn't the ruler of the Universe.

RiceMonster
December 23rd, 2009, 11:30 PM
He is forcing people accept a restrictive EULA (violating such things as their freedom of speech, as we saw with the BitMover drama), in order to participate in development.

When I contribute to a project that uses gcc, I'm forced to use a compiler that uses the GPL, and I think the GPL is restrictive, and I want to use a BSD licensed compiler.

No, I don't actually think that. The point is, any project that requires a particular tool for anything is arguably forcing that on everyone involved (at least with the logic you used). Just because you don't agree with the license, doesn't mean you have to participate, and doesn't mean it's being forced on you.

You can't always get what you want. Deal with it.

phrostbyte
December 23rd, 2009, 11:33 PM
When I contribute to a project that uses gcc, I'm forced to use a compiler that uses the GPL, and I think the GPL is restrictive, and I want to use a BSD licensed compiler.


In what way is the GPL restrictive?



No, I don't actually think that. The point is, any project that requires a particular tool for anything is arguably forcing that on everyone involved (at least with the logic you used). Just because you don't agree with the license, doesn't mean you have to participate, and doesn't mean it's being forced on you.

But if that tool is Free Software, it will not violate their personal liberty. That's what I want to protect.



You can't always get what you want. Deal with it.

I'm glad Thomas Jefferson or Gandhi didn't believe that. Losing hope is terrible.

RiceMonster
December 23rd, 2009, 11:35 PM
In what way is the GPL restrictive?

/facepalm

That wasn't my own opinion. Below I said "No, I don't actually think that". It was an example to make a point.


But if that tool is Free Software, it will not violate their personal liberty. That's what I want to protect.

So because it follows YOUR beliefs, it's ok. Free if you do what I say, am right?


I'm glad Thomas Jefferson or Gandhi didn't believe that. Losing hope is terrible.

The fact that you think what Gandhi fought for is comparable to access to source code, is frankly insulting. Please, stop making such an over-dramatic, invalid analogy. You take your computer WAY too seriously.

Frak
December 23rd, 2009, 11:36 PM
In what way is the GPL restrictive?



But if that tool is Free Software, it will not violate their personal liberty. That's what I want to protect.



I'm glad Thomas Jefferson or Gandhi didn't believe that.

All of this is completely missing the point.

phrostbyte
December 23rd, 2009, 11:36 PM
/facepalm

That wasn't my own opinion. Below I said "No, I don't actually think that". It was an example to make a point.

You have no rational to your opinions? :)




So because it follows YOUR beliefs, it's ok. Free if you do what I say, am right?

Not if you violate the rights of others.

Frak
December 23rd, 2009, 11:39 PM
Not if you violate the rights of others.

It doesn't violate the rights of others if they don't have to participate. If I join a basketball team, and they say I have to drink caffeine, I don't have to participate. My religion says I shouldn't have caffeine, but nobody says I have to stay on the basketball team. If they want me to do something I don't like, I'm not required to stay.

RiceMonster
December 23rd, 2009, 11:41 PM
You have no rational to your opinions? :)

/facepalm

I couldn't have made it any more clear. I was using that as an exmaple to demonstrate the point I was making. Someone disagreeing with the GPL license could EASILY complain that they are being forced to use something they don't agree with in many cases.



Not if you violate the rights of others.

Except it doesn't :).


And with that, I am finished. Continue to treat a computer as your life force. Whatever makes you happy.

phrostbyte
December 23rd, 2009, 11:42 PM
All of this is completely missing the point.

Actually, I'd love to see this point.

Typically in any debate, political or otherwise, it's a conflict between philosophies of how to make a better existence. Sometimes both sides are quite convincing.

But the problem I don't see any kind of philosophy that composes anti-free culture movement. I am not aware of your anti-free culture books, your convincing and well researched essays of why free culture is bad for society.

Actually the best example I can find is in the GNU Manifesto itself, Richard Stallman actually argues the viewpoint he feels people similar to you will have, and then he refutes it. :P

phrostbyte
December 23rd, 2009, 11:44 PM
It doesn't violate the rights of others if they don't have to participate. If I join a basketball team, and they say I have to drink caffeine, I don't have to participate. My religion says I shouldn't have caffeine, but nobody says I have to stay on the basketball team. If they want me to do something I don't like, I'm not required to stay.

That's a bit like debating against free speech by saying "you don't have to talk". I don't realistically agree with that.

Frak
December 23rd, 2009, 11:48 PM
That's a bit like debating against free speech by saying "you don't have to talk". I don't realistically agree with that.
But I don't have any where else to go to have my freedom of speech. If I was in the USSR, and I wanted free speech, I would leave the USSR and go where I did have free speech. If I don't have free speech anywhere, you are violating my human rights. (Human, not software rights, humans predate software)

phrostbyte
December 23rd, 2009, 11:49 PM
/facepalm

I couldn't have made it any more clear. I was using that as an exmaple to demonstrate the point I was making. Someone disagreeing with the GPL license could EASILY complain that they are being forced to use something they don't agree with in many cases.

The issue is that of personal liberty. I support the fact that murder is illegal, even though murder laws is a restraint of freedom. Because murder violates the rights of others, the right to life.

The GPL protects personal liberty. All the restrictions in the license exist for that purpose alone.




Except it doesn't :).


That's not a very good argument. :)

phrostbyte
December 23rd, 2009, 11:50 PM
But I don't have any where else to go to have my freedom of speech. If I was in the USSR, and I wanted free speech, I would leave the USSR and go where I did have free speech. If I don't have free speech anywhere, you are violating my human rights. (Human, not software rights, humans predate software)

Can you explain where I can legally listen to the Gray Album?

Frak
December 23rd, 2009, 11:52 PM
Can you explain where I can legally listen to the Gray Album?
Anywhere. They legally cannot sell it. No law says you can't listen to it.

phrostbyte
December 23rd, 2009, 11:54 PM
Anywhere. They legally cannot sell it. No law says you can't listen to it.

Any links to these legal sources?

Interesting you bold an unqualified pronoun. Who is "they"?

Frak
December 24th, 2009, 12:04 AM
Any links to these legal sources?

Interesting you bold an unqualified pronoun. Who is "they"?
All the grey album did was break copyright. Danger Mouse and his crew did not pick up permission from the samples.

The only reason it isn't being sold is because Danger Mouse didn't fight it in court. Since it is a Mashup, it is covered under Remix.

Anyways, I'm tired of playing Change the Subject Charlie with you, and I'll let you argue with yourself. You haven't presented any arguments yet that didn't involve changing the subject, and we can all clearly see you can't back up your claims.

phrostbyte
December 24th, 2009, 12:06 AM
All the grey album did was break copyright. Danger Mouse and his crew did not pick up permission from the samples.

The only reason it isn't being sold is because Danger Mouse didn't fight it in court. Since it is a Mashup, it is covered under Remix.

Anyways, I'm tired of playing Change the Subject Charlie with you, and I'll let you argue with yourself.

Interesting that. "Anywhere." went from "Nowhere." pretty quickly, didn't it Frak?

You bring up a interesting assertion which I can not verify. What part of the United States Code is Remix under again? We must have different revisions of the United States Code.

That would be an interesting exception. I'm sure Microsoft surely wouldn't have any problem with me 'remixing' Windows. :lolflag:

xuCGC002
December 24th, 2009, 12:11 AM
'shopped windows 7 threads are all about free speech, wallpaper, and the grey album.

pwnst*r
December 24th, 2009, 03:17 AM
Interesting that. "Anywhere." went from "Nowhere." pretty quickly, didn't it Frak?

You bring up a interesting assertion which I can not verify. What part of the United States Code is Remix under again? We must have different revisions of the United States Code.

That would be an interesting exception. I'm sure Microsoft surely wouldn't have any problem with me 'remixing' Windows. :lolflag:

ahahahah kneeslapper. ahahahahaha.



no.

CJ Master
December 24th, 2009, 04:02 AM
2 gazillioin iterations of linux. what's your point.

I would like proof there is exactly two gazillion iterations of Linux.

Hwt
December 24th, 2009, 04:05 AM
I would like proof there is exactly two gazillion iterations of Linux.

I would like proof that a gazillion is a number.

pwnst*r
December 24th, 2009, 04:09 AM
http://www.cookiemadness.net/puddingphoto.jpg

murderslastcrow
December 24th, 2009, 05:23 AM
WHAT IS WINDOWS!?!?!! *breaks all the windows in his house in frustration*

CJ Master
December 24th, 2009, 05:26 AM
I would like proof that a gazillion is a number.

I would like proof that I have to prove that a gazillion is a number.

Hwt
December 24th, 2009, 05:29 AM
I would like proof that I have to prove that a gazillion is a number.

I would like proof that I have to prove that you have to prove that a gazillion is a number.

penguindrive
December 24th, 2009, 05:53 AM
I would like proof that I have to prove that you have to prove that a gazillion is a number.

I happen to have proof that gazillion is quite possibly not a number:


http://www4c.wolframalpha.com/Calculate/MSP/MSP33198g7af7g685a8gf00001a2bc37d35h41de1?MSPStore Type=image/gif&s=23

phrostbyte
December 24th, 2009, 06:00 AM
ahahahah kneeslapper. ahahahahaha.



no.

If you have something productive to say by all means say it. :) I just don't think that was called for.

Also you really seem to like posting images with no content. Perhaps you would be interested in a webforum specifically designed around posting images with no content? I believe they are called imageboards. One example would be 4chan.

pwnst*r
December 24th, 2009, 06:12 AM
what i posted makes total sense as a response to the two posts above mine. not my problem if you can't sort it out ^_^

Giant Speck
December 24th, 2009, 08:47 AM
I would like proof there is exactly two gazillion iterations of Linux.

He didn't say gazillion. He said gazilloin, as in the loin of a gazill.

pwnst*r
December 24th, 2009, 12:18 PM
lol, indeed i did.

hoppipolla
December 24th, 2009, 03:31 PM
He didn't say gazillion. He said gazilloin, as in the loin of a gazill.
lol I think that maybe one of the best posts of the thread! :D

I do think comparing versions of Linux OSs to versions of Win 7 is a bit silly though, its a pretty different thing and is due to different reasons! I do think that the real comparison is between Ubuntu Karmic versions and Win 7 versions. Whether you include the different variants like Kubuntu though Im not sure o.O

I think it is fantastic that no release has to be actually RESTRICTIVE though, like some releases of Windows are as its a commercial OS. Thats a good thing I think for us :)

pwnst*r
December 24th, 2009, 03:34 PM
I do think comparing versions of Linux OSs to versions of Win 7 is a bit silly though, its a pretty different thing and is due to different reasons!

cool, thanks for clarification!

hoppipolla
December 24th, 2009, 03:50 PM
cool, thanks for clarification!
Thats okie... I guess...

alphaniner
December 24th, 2009, 04:18 PM
He didn't say gazillion. He said gazilloin, as in the loin of a gazill.

Actually, he said gazillioin. Lioin is plural for the Finnish lika, meaning dirt or stain. So he was slurring the gazil, calling them dirty creatures. Naughty!

pwnst*r
December 24th, 2009, 04:59 PM
Thats okie... I guess...

exactly.

ThaDoctor99
December 24th, 2009, 05:08 PM
Strange I got two editions of that OS that is Ultimate and Pirated edition.
However this OS I think Microsoft have actually got around to do a reasonable good job considering how bad the older OS'es have been.
I am reasonable happy with it however I am rather restrictions in school.
But it sure is better than Vista I think.

Greetings from Denmark

hoppipolla
December 24th, 2009, 06:06 PM
Actually, he said gazillioin. Lioin is plural for the Finnish lika, meaning dirt or stain. So he was slurring the gazil, calling them dirty creatures. Naughty!
Rofl! Well that clears that up then! :D

froggyswamp
December 24th, 2009, 06:08 PM
<Meep>

pwnst*r
December 24th, 2009, 06:17 PM
<Meep>

<Meep Meep>

Frak
December 24th, 2009, 06:44 PM
<Meep>

pwnst*r
December 24th, 2009, 08:09 PM
woot for meeps

koleoptero
December 24th, 2009, 08:52 PM
woot for meeps

It's a definite improvement over snips.

alphaniner
December 24th, 2009, 08:56 PM
It's a definite improvement over snips.

What about the bleeps, the sweeps, and the creeps (http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=bleeps+sweeps+creeps&btnG=Search&aq=f&oq=&aqi=)?

koleoptero
December 24th, 2009, 09:07 PM
What about the bleeps, the sweeps, and the creeps (http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=bleeps+sweeps+creeps&btnG=Search&aq=f&oq=&aqi=)?

Meeps are more gentle.

Giant Speck
December 25th, 2009, 03:03 AM
<bork bork bork>