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user1397
December 19th, 2009, 12:37 PM
Ever heard any official news on this subject?

I've heard that ubuntu might switch to kde as the default desktop environment and then another officially supported ubuntu distro would emerge, dubbed maybe 'Gnubuntu' or whatever with gnome as default, and then kubuntu would be dropped (well actually the name would just be dropped as it would now be ubuntu)

I've heard this in several threads in these forums several times for quite some months, but I have never seen any official citation.

Have the ubuntu devs ever actually talked about this? even speculated?

Also, I'd like to point out that I wouldn't necessarily want this to happen/nor would I object to it; I'd just like to know if there's been any news on the subject.

Please no kde vs gnome flame wars.

ElSlunko
December 19th, 2009, 12:40 PM
Sounds like hopeful wishing, I don't see this happening anytime soon as far as official word goes.

Exodist
December 19th, 2009, 12:43 PM
I've heard that ubuntu might switch to kde as the default desktop environment and then another officially supported ubuntu distro would emerge, dubbed maybe 'Gnubuntu' or whatever, and then kubuntu would be dropped (well actually the name would just be dropped as it would now be ubuntu)

I've heard this in several threads in these forums several times for quite some months, but I have never seen any official citation.

Have the ubuntu devs ever actually talked about this? even speculated?

Please no kde vs gnome flame wars.
We started talking about it, but with all the flames on board our ship quickly sunk.

We will just have to wait and see, currently its still only a go for Gnome. But time can change minds and really depends on the direction Mark wishes to shift Ubuntu, or not.

user1397
December 19th, 2009, 12:46 PM
We started talking about it, but with all the flames on board our ship quickly sunk.

We will just have to wait and see, currently its still only a go for Gnome. But time can change minds and really depends on the direction Mark wishes to shift Ubuntu, or not.
By we do you mean the forums or are you a dev or what?

And yea, I think it might be a setback for some current ubuntu users who are already used to gnome, but maybe it would be for the best, who knows?

Exodist
December 19th, 2009, 12:49 PM
By we do you mean the forums or are you a dev or what?

And yea, I think it might be a setback for some current ubuntu users who are already used to gnome, but maybe it would be for the best, who knows?
As in "We", I mean the forum community here with the occasional dev once or twice.

The reason we brought it up is due to the change from gnome 2.0 to gnome 3.0.
If Gnome is trashed, Devs will have to do something. But IDK?

ElSlunko
December 19th, 2009, 12:50 PM
I think it really has to do with development strides and how KDE is at a good point in it's stride so it is currently attracting a lot of folks. One would assume by the same note that Gnome will gain a new stride once 3.0 is released, however the UI design has been very controversial. I like both DEs but I think many QT apps just come out...better. I'm not a dev so my opinion is really a tip of the iceberg type of opinion.

sdowney717
December 19th, 2009, 01:02 PM
there already exists an official kde ubuntu called kubuntu

there already exists an official gnome ubuntu called ubuntu

what you are saying makes it sound like bragging rights, like whose name is first on the sign.

the users have decided in favor of gnome or i suppose you think this is being forced on them?

XubuRoxMySox
December 19th, 2009, 01:09 PM
This is just a rookie's opinion, but:

Ubuntu has always been a "Gnome-centric" distro. Seems to me that Kubuntu is just "Ubuntu with KDE tied on." Xubuntu - which is not an official Canonical project - has alot less Gnome, but is still full of Gnome dependencies and Gnome apps.

If it's a 'buntu at all, it's still Gnome-centric.

Basing a new Ubuntu on KDE would be like a "starting from scratch" kinda thing. I really doubt that the devs would be willing to do a complete do-over.

-Robin

user1397
December 19th, 2009, 01:09 PM
there already exists an official kde ubuntu called kubuntu

there already exists an official gnome ubuntu called ubuntu

what you are saying makes it sound like bragging rights, like whose name is first on the sign.

the users have decided in favor of gnome or i suppose you think this is being forced on them?
Yup, I realize all of that, I just meant to say which one would be default and more 'officially' supported.

And no, the users didn't choose gnome...the ubuntu devs/mark shuttleworth did...

sdowney717
December 19th, 2009, 01:17 PM
actually what i said still stands true
there already exists 2 official distributions, no one made anyone choose one or the other. KDE has its own reputation as does gnome in the hearts and minds of the users.

user1397
December 19th, 2009, 01:30 PM
actually what i said still stands true
there already exists 2 official distributions, no one made anyone choose one or the other. KDE has its own reputation as does gnome in the hearts and minds of the users.You're missing the point here.

Yes there are two official distributions already.

And yes, no one's 'forcing' anyone in choosing their DE.

But ubuntu holds precedence over kubuntu in Canonical's eyes...it is the default distribution...more development is given to it, more people use it, and it attracts a lot more attention, whether for techies or for commercial purposes (think Dell)...

AICollector
December 19th, 2009, 06:56 PM
I'd say there's an aweful lot of 'forcing'

Well, not really; I can either have a fully functioning GNOME distro, or a crippled KDE one.

Thank GOD for Project TIMELORD....

stmiller
December 19th, 2009, 07:54 PM
Ubuntu paid developers were picked from a gnome developer pool. So the people paid to work on Ubuntu are specifically gnome-specialists.

No to mention the flame war that would break out would bring the internet down. :)

gletob
December 19th, 2009, 08:02 PM
Let me just put my oppinion out there:

I have nothing against KDE, but if it were to become the main DE it would need a major rebuild. Kubuntu is nowhere suitable to be the head of the buntu's and frankly, doesn't do KDE any justice.

Cam42
December 19th, 2009, 08:07 PM
Agreed. Kubuntu doesn't do KDE justice.

I think it would be very cool if they did something like what openSUSE does, with a DVD installer that lets you select KDE, GNOME, XFCE, whatever. Of course, with liveCDs of KDE and GNOME desktops as well, for people without fast internet, or older machines without DVD drives.

Crunchy the Headcrab
December 19th, 2009, 10:37 PM
Agreed. Kubuntu doesn't do KDE justice.

I think it would be very cool if they did something like what openSUSE does, with a DVD installer that lets you select KDE, GNOME, XFCE, whatever. Of course, with liveCDs of KDE and GNOME desktops as well, for people without fast internet, or older machines without DVD drives.
Fedora does that as well. The difference, in my opinion, being that Fedora has pretty weak KDE support and OpenSUSE has pretty weak Gnome support.

I would actually hate to see KDE become the norm for an Ubuntu install, unless there was an option to choose during install like Cam is suggesting.

NoaHall
December 19th, 2009, 10:39 PM
OpenSUSE is a nightmare, I prefer KDE on Arch. Of course, I would never use KDE for any long length of time.

HappyFeet
December 19th, 2009, 10:53 PM
I vote no to KDE.

user1397
December 19th, 2009, 11:15 PM
Agreed. Kubuntu doesn't do KDE justice.

I think it would be very cool if they did something like what openSUSE does, with a DVD installer that lets you select KDE, GNOME, XFCE, whatever. Of course, with liveCDs of KDE and GNOME desktops as well, for people without fast internet, or older machines without DVD drives.
How exactly does kubuntu not do KDE any justice? Please provide details.

And yea that dvd idea would be cool, but letting users choose their DE is not one of the founding principles of ubuntu...ubuntu is trying to make a seamless desktop experience so that anyone can install and use it, not just people who even know what DE's are can do it.

speedwell68
December 20th, 2009, 12:08 AM
I chose Ubuntu because it was a strong GNOME based distro. KDE really isn't my cup of char, so if KDE became the defauly DE for Ubuntu I would be looking for another distro.

squilookle
December 20th, 2009, 12:14 AM
I suppose it must be possible: other distributions have changed the default desktop in the past. I remember something a while back about Suse switching the default from KDE to Gnome...

However, I think the Gnome desktop used by Ubuntu works absolutely fine and doesn't need replacing, and I think the feelings in the community would be strongly against such a change.

Also, although KDE was the first desktop I used when I switched to Linux, I think Gnome is easier for begginers: less options and such.

If they did want to make such a change, I imagine they would quietly add more resources for the development of Kubuntu.