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crichell
February 23rd, 2006, 07:00 PM
We recently released a new Mini Desktop PC running Ubuntu or Kubuntu. We'd like to hear what you guys think.

The Koala Mini - http://system76.com/product_info.php/cPath/2/products_id/155

I'd also like to thank the forums and all its members. It has been exciting since we started back in November. We couldn't do this without such a great community.

mishranurag
February 23rd, 2006, 07:09 PM
The systems look good. I am thinking of buying a new laptop, however, I am a little scared with trying this one (due to reason stated below). Also everything in my college is MS based, so it might be a difficulty.

The biggest problem I foresee if I will have to completely move over to this system, I will have to give away the MS word and Endnote combination which is kind of basic for my research :(.

I would love to try these system though.

Anurag


We recently released a new Mini Desktop PC running Ubuntu or Kubuntu. We'd like to hear what you guys think.

The Koala Mini - http://system76.com/product_info.php/cPath/2/products_id/155

I'd also like to thank the forums and all its members. It has been exciting since we started back in November. We couldn't do this without such a great community.

christhemonkey
February 23rd, 2006, 07:14 PM
Looks good! Now to find all that money....!

crichell
February 23rd, 2006, 07:31 PM
The systems look good. I am thinking of buying a new laptop, however, I am a little scared with trying this one (due to reason stated below). Also everything in my college is MS based, so it might be a difficulty.

The biggest problem I foresee if I will have to completely move over to this system, I will have to give away the MS word and Endnote combination which is kind of basic for my research :(.

I don't know much about bibliography apps but there are a few linux (GPL) alternatives out there.

Pybliographer - http://www.pybliographer.org/
RefDB - http://refdb.sourceforge.net/
sixpack - http://sourceforge.net/projects/sixpack/
and one called Qbib

K.Mandla
February 23rd, 2006, 10:34 PM
Looks really nice. Where can I find the terms of your warranty and support? I like the looks of your machines, but I'm hooked on Dell's reputation for tech support.

crichell
February 23rd, 2006, 10:58 PM
Looks really nice. Where can I find the terms of your warranty and support? I like the looks of your machines, but I'm hooked on Dell's reputation for tech support.

A link to our warranty and support terms is located at the bottom of each page. Every system comes with one year telephone and email support as well as forums and a knowledge base. Support can be extended up to three years.

We consider support our top priority - something that's needed for the linux community.

K.Mandla
February 23rd, 2006, 11:14 PM
Oops. Thanks. Guess I should bump up the size of my font. ... :oops:

Glad to hear you guys are keen on support. It's support and service that makes or breaks a computer company any more. Cheers!

Also, will you guys stick with 5.10 as we get closer to April? or will machines ship with Dapper after its release? I'm guessing you'll need time to fully test everything.

johhnyubuntu
February 24th, 2006, 04:31 AM
Just a word of caution. I bought a computer from them in December and the tech support was lacking once the sale was made. Since then, I have purchased a computer from another company and the technical service was first rate.

crichell
February 24th, 2006, 08:10 PM
Just a word of caution. I bought a computer from them in December and the tech support was lacking once the sale was made. Since then, I have purchased a computer from another company and the technical service was first rate.

Hy johhny, If there was any problem please let me know. I will make sure it is taken care of immediately.

crichell
February 25th, 2006, 02:28 AM
Also, will you guys stick with 5.10 as we get closer to April? or will machines ship with Dapper after its release? I'm guessing you'll need time to fully test everything.

We will ship Dapper shortly after its release. All of the development releases make it easier for us to test along the way.


Also - Johnny we are concerned about your post, we take customer service very seriously in fact we answer all of support issues within 24 hours, usually within 2 hours. If you need support please contact us and we will be happy to assist. You can email us, phone us, or post your issue on our website. We are here to help support Ubuntu on the desktop.

simone.brunozzi
March 17th, 2006, 07:20 PM
Hi Crichell,
nice piece of hardware.

Please, can you tell me if you can sell it without linux installed at a cheaper price, and optionally with a flash hard disk rather than the normal disk, and at which price??

also, do you sell in Italy? How much would be the tax to pay?

Thanks

crichell
March 17th, 2006, 07:54 PM
We only provide the Koala with Ubuntu installed ; however, you can, of course, install anything you would like afterwards. The configurations on the website are what is available (no flash drive instead of a hard drive.)

I am curious though, we're are you going with this idea? Sounds interesting.

We can sell products in Italy. The tax will depend on what configuration you would like.

bjweeks
March 17th, 2006, 10:20 PM
WOW way too expensive. You could get a mac mini for the same price and it's nicer, more powerful and runs OSX

simone.brunozzi
March 18th, 2006, 06:07 PM
crichell,
my idea is for small application servers (like samba-servers, or linux-routers), very useful in small companies.
I need a flash drive because it doesn't crash :-)

By the way, the price seems not to be competitive.

Thanks anyway.

aysiu
March 18th, 2006, 06:45 PM
In light of the attached screenshot, can someone explain to me how the price is not competitive?

Sure, the Koala doesn't have Bluetooth, but does Bluetooth account for the $40 more that the equivalent Mac Mini is?

And why is Mac OS X necessarily more desirable than Ubuntu? To each her own. Some prefer Mac OS X. Others prefer Ubuntu.

commodore
March 18th, 2006, 06:50 PM
It frign' rulez!

Ofcourse Ubuntu is more kewler than Mac OS X. For me. Like aysiu said, to each his/ her own. I like to modifie things and to have an ability to choose. That's why GNU, Linux, BSD and other stuff like it (maybe opensolaris and gnu/hurd in the future) rule.

bjweeks
March 18th, 2006, 10:18 PM
aysiu for starts teh core solo is a better processor and my point was you get OSX for free. So the mac can run OSX, linux and windows the other box can only run windows and linux. So you get a choice of what to run or duel boot.

Edit: ya i know you can't run ubuntu out of the box but only a matter of time.

crichell
March 18th, 2006, 10:19 PM
Sure, the Koala doesn't have Bluetooth, but does Bluetooth account for the $40 more that the equivalent Mac Mini is?

And why is Mac OS X necessarily more desirable than Ubuntu? To each her own. Some prefer Mac OS X. Others prefer Ubuntu.

Actually, the Koala Mini does have Bluetooth. I find Ubuntu (and linux in general) much more desirable to OS X - but that's my opinion.

bjweeks
March 18th, 2006, 10:19 PM
Actually, the Koala Mini does have Bluetooth. I find Ubuntu (and linux in general) much more desirable to OS X - but that's my opinion.

As I have said the mac will run both!

aysiu
March 18th, 2006, 10:20 PM
aysiu for starts teh core solo is a better processor and my point was you get OSX for free. So the mac can run OSX, linux and windows the other box can only run windows and linux. So you get a choice of what to run or duel boot.

Edit: ya i know you can't run ubuntu out of the box but only a matter of time. At the moment, there isn't a Ubuntu version for Intel Macs. There have been a couple of tests by people to install Windows and Linux on the new Macs, but there's no easy way for people like me to do it yet.

So if you want a Ubuntu Mac Mini right now, you have an old PowerPC Ubuntu Mac Mini (and PowerPC Ubuntu is crippled--sorry, but it's true), or you have to do some serious hacking to get Ubuntu on that new Intel Mac Mini.

My point was simply that for roughly comparable systems, the price was roughly the same. There were some posts here making it sound as if the pricing for the Koala Mini was outrageous--it is not. And if you want to support vendors who preinstall Ubuntu, you would not be wasting your money by buying a Koala Mini.

crichell
March 18th, 2006, 10:23 PM
crichell,
my idea is for small application servers (like samba-servers, or linux-routers), very useful in small companies.
I need a flash drive because it doesn't crash :-)

By the way, the price seems not to be competitive.

Thanks anyway.

That's a cool idea. Not what this box is aiming for though.

bjweeks
March 18th, 2006, 10:24 PM
It's not bad but if a computer like that wanted to be competive(dell style) it will have to go head to head with the mac. Cause right now apple owns that form factor.

crichell
March 19th, 2006, 01:40 AM
It's not bad but if a computer like that wanted to be competive(dell style) it will have to go head to head with the mac. Cause right now apple owns that form factor.

Apple does a good job at what they do. Apple doesn't do Linux.

bjweeks
March 19th, 2006, 02:11 AM
Apple does a good job at what they do. Apple doesn't do Linux.

Apple doen't do linux, but linux does Apple.

crichell
March 19th, 2006, 02:31 AM
Apple doen't do linux, but linux does Apple.

Good point - Maybe I miss spoke as well. Apple does use Samba, Open LDAP, Konqueror KHTML, etc. To bad Apple doesn't send UI improvements to Linux. :)

K-9
March 23rd, 2006, 02:47 AM
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aysiu
March 23rd, 2006, 05:09 AM
That's good to know, K-9.

When I save up enough money, I'm hoping to get one of those Gazelles.

majikstreet
March 23rd, 2006, 10:25 PM
AFAIK, you pay for OSX when you buy an apple computer just like with windows..

rabadi
April 5th, 2006, 03:07 AM
That Koala Mini looks quite similar with AOpen Mini PC (http://asia.aopen.com.tw/ and http://minipc.aopen.com/global/). Do you by any chance have manufacturing collaboration with AOpen? Do you also plan to distribute Koala Mini to South East Asia countries (e.g: Singapore)?

bjweeks
April 5th, 2006, 05:01 AM
That Koala Mini looks quite similar with AOpen Mini PC (http://asia.aopen.com.tw/ and http://minipc.aopen.com/global/). Do you by any chance have manufacturing collaboration with AOpen? Do you also plan to distribute Koala Mini to South East Asia countries (e.g: Singapore)?

I think it is the aopen.

crichell
April 5th, 2006, 02:42 PM
That Koala Mini looks quite similar with AOpen Mini PC (http://asia.aopen.com.tw/ and http://minipc.aopen.com/global/). Do you by any chance have manufacturing collaboration with AOpen? Do you also plan to distribute Koala Mini to South East Asia countries (e.g: Singapore)?

Your right - the Koala Mini is manufactured by AOpen. We don't currently distribute to Singapore; however, we would consider doing so if there is great enough demand.

corvax
April 6th, 2006, 02:03 AM
Show me a site that has nice systems with linux pre-installed! and offers support for it at a cheaper price see the laptops at emperor linux? what about the systems at los alamos computers nope not there either. This site seems to offer good systems at a decent price. Now what id like to know is for the laptops are these just hp dell or whatever laptops configured with linux and if so does that mean we are paying the windows tax?

bjweeks
April 6th, 2006, 02:18 AM
Now what id like to know is for the laptops are these just hp dell or whatever laptops configured with linux and if so does that mean we are paying the windows tax?

The laptops look like asus whitebooks, so no.

crichell
April 6th, 2006, 03:36 AM
The laptops look like ausu whitebooks, so no.

That's right - there's no Windows tax on any of our machines.

opensensesolutions
April 7th, 2006, 07:08 PM
It looks like sytem76 has an extensive lineup, but I thought I'd mention our notebook and SFF offerings in this thread too since people are asking about other options including laptops in this Koala thread.

Our Groovix laptops are based on MSI AMD 64-bit designs and of course have no windows tax. We are already shipping Dapper Drake on our laptops. Suspend, hibernate, cpu frequency scaling, modem, wifi accelerated 3D video, etc. are all fully supported.
http://groovix.com/store/index.php?main_page=index&cPath=2_14

I think I'd buy a koala myself if I ever need a computer that I can put in my coat pocket! Our AMD 64-bit LINI computer is a lot bigger than the Koala, but a lot more powerful and upgradeable with room to put tv tuners, advanced video cards, and any other PCI accessories. It can also support two simultaneous users with 2 monitors, 2 keyboards, 2 mice, and 2 sound cards. It is based off the Antec Aria case.
http://groovix.com/store/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=2_6&products_id=4

bjweeks
April 7th, 2006, 07:25 PM
It looks like sytem76 has an extensive lineup, but I thought I'd mention our notebook and SFF offerings in this thread too since people are asking about other options including laptops in this Koala thread.

Our Groovix laptops are based on MSI AMD 64-bit designs and of course have no windows tax. We are already shipping Dapper Drake on our laptops. Suspend, hibernate, cpu frequency scaling, modem, wifi accelerated 3D video, etc. are all fully supported.
http://groovix.com/store/index.php?main_page=index&cPath=2_14

I think I'd buy a koala myself if I ever need a computer that I can put in my coat pocket! Our AMD 64-bit LINI computer is a lot bigger than the Koala, but a lot more powerful and upgradeable with room to put tv tuners, advanced video cards, and any other PCI accessories. It can also support two simultaneous users with 2 monitors, 2 keyboards, 2 mice, and 2 sound cards. It is based off the Antec Aria case.
http://groovix.com/store/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=2_6&products_id=4


Can we stop calling it the "windows tax", Microsoft Windows is a product and is shipped by most OEMs but in no way is a tax.

If your shipping dapper on your computers thats just dumb.

aysiu
April 7th, 2006, 07:29 PM
Can we stop calling it the "windows tax", Microsoft Windows is a product and is shipped by most OEMs but in no way is a tax. Windows tax is a legitimate colloquial expression:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_Tax


If your shipping dapper on your computers thats just dumb. Apparently it's with Groovix tweaks... whatever those are. I was wondering about that, too.

opensensesolutions
April 7th, 2006, 11:18 PM
First off, apologies to Carl for threadjacking, if you want to discuss Groovix computers from Open Sense Solutions we can move over to this thread:
http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=145507


If your shipping dapper on your computers thats just dumb.

Secondly, we are only offering Dapper on these laptops. It has been extensively tested and has worked perfectly for the past month, and Dapper works much better than Breezy for laptops. We make it very clear that Dapper is in Alpha mode at present, and are giving unlimited tech support (real tech support including 800 phone calls) until the official release. We actually have quite a few people that want Dapper on our other machines, but in the general case it is not ready. This is a special program on a very controlled set of hardware and we keep a close eye on update problems.

Thirdly, if you're wondering what the "Groovix tweaks" are, basically we do everything to set up a machine that we would do for our own work or personal machines. Anyone can install Ubuntu, but getting a nice system up and running can take a lot of time. We take the time to create automated install scripts and .deb packages to make the machine ready to use right out of the box including all hardware features. See http://groovix.com/faq.html#enhancements for more details. A subset of our enhancements are similar to easy ubuntu or automatix, but in a more controlled manner than pointing our customers sources to "Penguin Liberation Front" software repositories.

Personatech
April 8th, 2006, 06:26 AM
Secondly, we are only offering Dapper on these laptops. It has been extensively tested and has worked perfectly for the past month, and Dapper works much better than Breezy for laptops.

I can vouch for this statement running Dapper on my Dell Latitude C610, especially when it comes to WiFi support and overall performance.