Ubuntu won't die any time soon

[julianb]

There are a lot of folks that doubt Ubuntu's staying power as a linux desktop OS.

Here's why I disagree:

Google likes Ubuntu and Dell likes Ubuntu (http://blogs.computerworld.com/15174/dell_releases_unofficial_chrome_os_linux_desktop).

Now let's be real here: they could ditch Ubuntu for the alternatives, and not look back. The WILL ditch Ubuntu for the alternatives if it is convenient for them.

That is, if it suits them they will use Windows, Red Hat, Debian, whatever they feel like.

But they find Ubuntu useful (http://www.google.com/search?q=goobuntu); Google uses Goobuntu and contracts Canonical to support Chrome OS. Dell sells machines with Ubuntu.

Some might assume that since open source OSes are such a tiny slice of sales for Dell, it's something that'll never reach a critical mass and become popular.

But I say - give it some time. Google is serious business and they aren't going to depend on Microsoft-powered machines to bring them customers, any more than they have to. Dell doesn't hate Microsoft, but I don't think they want to bet their existence on a Microsoft monopoly either.

Intel feels the same way - they don't hate Microsoft, but they aren't going to place any bets on a Microsoft monopoly (http://www.pcworld.com/businesscenter/article/165497/hands_on_with_intels_moblin_linux_for_netbooks.htm l).

Ubuntu's success has always been 100% dependent on who cooperates with Ubuntu, and that is how open-source works. Ubuntu and Canonical are in cooperation with Intel/Moblin, Google/Chrome, and Dell.

[Sealbhach]

It's all about the applications though, Adobe, Office apps, games.

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[AllRadioisDead]

It's all about the applications though, Adobe, Office apps, games.

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This.

[bsharp]

Google likes Ubuntu now, but what about when they release Chromium as a stable, standalone OS? I don't really see them fooling with two different OSes (read: Ubuntu) after putting all the development time and money into Chromium.

[u.b.u.n.t.u]

There are a lot of folks that doubt Ubuntu's staying power as a linux desktop OS.

I have encountered that and it is a viewpoint that is contradicted by everything that Ubuntu is.

Where such a view is sincerely held, then a logical presentation of the facts is all that is needed.

However, where such a view is held by way of passion, rather than reason, such is best left alone.

There are a lot more folks that see Ubuntu for what it is becoming and want to be part of that and many of those folks are right here!

:D

[foxmulder881]

It's the same old argument. It's not the operating system that is the problem, it's vendor support.

I still rely on Windows (XP) for my work applications because there are either no alternatives for Linux or no similar tool that does the same job in Linux. Therefore, I take advantage of all technologies and dual-boot. It's a simple solution.

[Shpongle]

I have encountered that and it is a viewpoint that is contradicted by everything that Ubuntu is.

Where such a view is sincerely held, then a logical presentation of the facts is all that is needed.

However, where such a view is held by way of passion, rather than reason, such is best left alone.

There are a lot more folks that see Ubuntu for what it is becoming and want to be part of that and many of those folks are right here!

:D

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[kevCast]

Google likes Ubuntu now, but what about when they release Chromium as a stable, standalone OS? I don't really see them fooling with two different OSes (read: Ubuntu) after putting all the development time and money into Chromium.

It's a window manager with a browser. Google workers choose their preferred work environment, and Google supports every platform the worker may choose (Mac, Windows, GNU/Linux).

Chromium may be find and dandy for a netbook OS or as a simple operating system, but it has limitations.

[dragos240]

If ubuntu dies, Linux is dieing.

[subdivision]

If ubuntu dies, Linux is dieing.

Because there isn't even a remote possibility of it becoming less popular while another distro becomes more popular?

[Chame_Wizard]

Ubuntu won't die,way too important.:popcorn:

[expxe]

If ubuntu dies, Linux is dieing.

then it will all be linux's fault, who the hell wants to use the command line? i bet you chrome OS won't rely on the command line.

linux developers need to get their head out of the gutter. only reason linux gets used is because of security. linux already lost to windows for stability, windows 7 is rock stable unlike some older windows versions. currently linux is losing to windows in terms of usability (hahaha command line what were they thinking really). its only a matter of time before microsoft or google comes out with a OS that is stable AND secure. then where will linux be, the OS that is most unuser friendly of them all. people just won't use it, they will just use windows 8 or later, or move the mac OS, or google's OS.

[RiceMonster]

If ubuntu dies, Linux is dieing.

Nah, the companies who are actually developing the upstream (Red Hat, Novell, Oracle, IBM, etc) will not be affected.

[subdivision]

Ubuntu won't die,way too important.:popcorn:
Yeah, I mean with all the contributions it makes back to the kernel and programs, it's practically inseperable from Linux as a whole.

[Chame_Wizard]

then it will all be linux's fault, who the hell wants to use the command line? i bet you chrome OS won't rely on the command line.

linux already lost to windows for stability, windows 7 is rock stable unlike some older windows versions. currently linux is losing to windows in terms of usability (hahaha command line what were they thinking really)

Win 7 stable?maybe if you use the Ultimate x64 with a SP and don't reinstall it every month or so when it get slow.

Usability in what?there's GUI and CLI options too choose.

How you are going to fix your OS/PC,when it won't boot/work well at all?And don't come with the Winlose "power shell"/repair CD ********,cause DOS/CMD sucking ****.

The CLI/stability factor in the Unix-family is way more powerful than the NT/M$-DOS family,no wonder it exist since August 1969(when Unix was born)till now in various version.

Micro**** has monopoly ON THE DESKTOP only,because they don't want any challenges from concurrences(most pc/notebooks are pre-installed with Winlose only).

[RiceMonster]

Win 7 stable?maybe if you use the Ultimate x64 with a SP and don't reinstall it every month or so when it get slow.

Usability in what?there's GUI and CLI options too choose.

How you are going to fix your OS/PC,when it won't boot/work well at all?And don't come with the Winlose "power shell"/repair CD ********,cause DOS/CMD sucking ****.

The CLI/stability factor in the Unix-family is way more powerful than the NT/M$-DOS family,no wonder it exist since August 1969(when Unix was born)till now in various version.

Micro**** has monopoly ON THE DESKTOP,because they don't want any challenges from concurrences(most pc/notebooks are pre-installed with Winlose only).

how non-biased of you

[subdivision]

Win 7 stable?maybe if you use the Ultimate x64 with a SP and don't reinstall it every month or so when it get slow.


lol

Been running 32-bit Pro for a while now. No slow down and no stability problems. I would have to assume at this point that you just don't know how to maintain a Windows install.

[TheNosh]

If ubuntu dies, Linux is dieing.


Ubuntu won't die,way too important.:popcorn:

no. there are much more important forces at work in linux's survival. Ubuntu's/Canonical's contributions back to linux as a whole are actually quite minimal, and even among those i would consider important, any single one of them failing would not mean the end of linux.

[wilee-nilee]

then it will all be linux's fault, who the hell wants to use the command line? i bet you chrome OS won't rely on the command line.

linux developers need to get their head out of the gutter. only reason linux gets used is because of security. linux already lost to windows for stability, windows 7 is rock stable unlike some older windows versions. currently linux is losing to windows in terms of usability (hahaha command line what were they thinking really). its only a matter of time before microsoft or google comes out with a OS that is stable AND secure. then where will linux be, the OS that is most unuser friendly of them all. people just won't use it, they will just use windows 8 or later, or move the mac OS, or google's OS.

Like most of your opinions the command line one is a opinion there are many command line uses in windows vista and W7 they are presented in a different way, if your using XP the terminal looks basically the same.

Also the NSA has been working with MS on backdoor access since XP if most people knew this along with the tracking done by MS I suspect they would have a hard think about using it.

I have W7 and Karmic W7 runs slower and is not necessarily more stable the latest update for W7 has over a million customers getting a black screen.
http://www.dailytech.com/Microsoft+Investigates+Windows+7+BlackScreenofDeat h+Issues/article16990.htm

Your amage to MS with no real intelligent arguments is becoming legendary man. ;)

[Tipped OuT]

Win 7 stable?maybe if you use the Ultimate x64 with a SP and don't reinstall it every month or so when it get slow.

Usability in what?there's GUI and CLI options too choose.

How you are going to fix your OS/PC,when it won't boot/work well at all?And don't come with the Winlose "power shell"/repair CD ********,cause DOS/CMD sucking ****.

The CLI/stability factor in the Unix-family is way more powerful than the NT/M$-DOS family,no wonder it exist since August 1969(when Unix was born)till now in various version.

Micro**** has monopoly ON THE DESKTOP only,because they don't want any challenges from concurrences(most pc/notebooks are pre-installed with Winlose only).

http://fc00.deviantart.com/fs49/f/2009/176/3/5/Picco__s_Facepalm_by_Leviathan_16.jpg

[Crunchy the Headcrab]

then it will all be linux's fault, who the hell wants to use the command line? i bet you chrome OS won't rely on the command line.

linux developers need to get their head out of the gutter. only reason linux gets used is because of security. linux already lost to windows for stability, windows 7 is rock stable unlike some older windows versions. currently linux is losing to windows in terms of usability (hahaha command line what were they thinking really). its only a matter of time before microsoft or google comes out with a OS that is stable AND secure. then where will linux be, the OS that is most unuser friendly of them all. people just won't use it, they will just use windows 8 or later, or move the mac OS, or google's OS.

Are you serious? Do you even know how powerful Linux is in the hands of an IT/CS specialist. It's not even trying to compete with Windows for desktop users. Ubuntu is trying to compete and failing, Linux is not.

[Tipped OuT]

Are you serious? Do you even know how powerful Linux is in the hands of an IT/CS specialist.

Uh huh, too bad the majority of the world aren't IT/CS specialists.

[Chame_Wizard]

http://fc00.deviantart.com/fs49/f/2009/176/3/5/Picco__s_Facepalm_by_Leviathan_16.jpg

:P no comment:o

[Tipped OuT]

:P no comment:o

It was for laughs, no worries. :)

[Crunchy the Headcrab]

Uh huh, too bad the majority of the world aren't IT/CS specialists.
You missed my point. Linux isn't a failure if it doesn't win the popularity race (I doubt it ever will). Windows has always been more usable. Linux has other virtues which aren't diminished by the fact that Ubuntu has made it n00b friendly.

[Tipped OuT]

You missed my point. Linux isn't a failure if it doesn't win the popularity race (I doubt it ever will). Windows has always been more usable. Linux has other virtues which aren't diminished by the fact that Ubuntu has made it n00b friendly.

Point taken.

[BenAshton24]

then it will all be linux's fault, who the hell wants to use the command line? i bet you chrome OS won't rely on the command line.

linux developers need to get their head out of the gutter. only reason linux gets used is because of security. linux already lost to windows for stability, windows 7 is rock stable unlike some older windows versions. currently linux is losing to windows in terms of usability (hahaha command line what were they thinking really). its only a matter of time before microsoft or google comes out with a OS that is stable AND secure. then where will linux be, the OS that is most unuser friendly of them all. people just won't use it, they will just use windows 8 or later, or move the mac OS, or google's OS.

Ok, now I'm certain that you are a troll / undercover giant squid of anger!

Leave Linux alone, the command line owns and not everyone is thick to the point of needing a gui for everything, even when the cli way is much quicker.

h'mmkay :)

also I doubt that ubuntu will ever die, and if it does another distro will be there to take it's glory :)

[PariahVayne]

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[KiwiNZ]

I hate to point this out, but usually when people start saying <insert_here> won't die/end/finish, it's in fact one of the clearest indicators that said thing is dying/ending/finishing.

There is a thing called the Commentators kiss of death in sport , don't let " Ubuntu won't die any time soon" be the commentator kiss of death.

What will be the kiss of death is complacency and misconception. Ubuntu has a lot of work that needs to be done to make it a viable option for most.

[SuperSonic4]

Only way ubuntu will die IMO is if Canononical withdraw support before it's self-sufficient. Even then there's a chance it will just change a bit

Release and production costs are minimal compared to a commercial OS and this will ensure survival

[NoaHall]

I hate to point this out, but usually when people start saying <insert_here> won't die/end/finish, it's in fact one of the clearest indicators that said thing is dying/ending/finishing.

Quick, close the thread and burn it, pretend it never happened!

[Frak]

I hate to point this out, but usually when people start saying <insert_here> won't die/end/finish, it's in fact one of the clearest indicators that said thing is dying/ending/finishing.

Absolutely true.

[Hyper Tails]

It's the same old argument. It's not the operating system that is the problem, it's vendor support.

I still rely on Windows (XP) for my work applications because there are either no alternatives for Linux or no similar tool that does the same job in Linux. Therefore, I take advantage of all technologies and dual-boot. It's a simple solution.

same here

[murderslastcrow]

Many of my family and friends and schools in my community seem to disagree with the premise that Ubuntu is going away. They use and love Ubuntu, and prefer it over even Mac OS X. They commonly say, "this is what everyone'll be using in the future."

With Windows XP off the shelves, most businesses are staying with it and just modifying it. In a few years time, Wine will probably be good enough to convert those businesses to Linux as a refresh and to lower costs administrating Windows with all of its security risks.

Ubuntu's already a big hit with tons of people in my community. If you lived here you might think that it had equal market share with Microsoft.

Open source operates under very different concepts compared to other software. It's obvious that most users aren't developers, and maybe not even half of us submit bug reports. So, in many senses, Ubuntu will always be veritable so long as it continues to collect the best technologies in each release. Its girth of use has very little to do with its usefulness.

Ubuntu has the right balance for the noobs, the Linux veterans, as well as developers. It would take something major to unseat it. And I think Google will have to port a lot of development tools to Chrome OS if they plan on using it exclusively on their Linux-based systems.

[expxe]

I hate to point this out, but usually when people start saying <insert_here> won't die/end/finish, it's in fact one of the clearest indicators that said thing is dying/ending/finishing.

command line hahahaha, what the hell were those linux programmers thinking,,,

[NoaHall]

command line hahahaha, what the hell were those linux programmers thinking,,,

Shush. You have clearly have no idea that Linux is mainly used for servers and high-end computers, supercomputers, etc. For these, a GUI is not only a waste, it's a drain of vital power.

[SpriteSODA]

Shush. You have clearly have no idea that Linux is mainly used for servers and high-end computers, supercomputers, etc. For these, a GUI is not only a waste, it's a drain of vital power.

I think he was sarcastic :)

[NoaHall]

I think he was sarcastic :)

He wasn't... He said it somewhere else, in a rant, I think.

[TheNosh]

What will be the kiss of death is complacency and misconception. Ubuntu has a lot of work that needs to be done to make it a viable option for most.

absolute truth!

[Tipped OuT]

Shush. You have clearly have no idea that Linux is mainly used for servers and high-end computers, supercomputers, etc. For these, a GUI is not only a waste, it's a drain of vital power.

A waste of vital power? Okay, I think you're a little bit over the edge here.

[sailorboy]

I agree, hardware power has gotten pretty cheap- I think the masses are more constrained by their DSL speed than a GUI drag. A Ubuntu system has always outrun any supported windows system I've tried and is lower maintenance- it's a 'no-brainer' to me.

[NoaHall]

A waste of vital power? Okay, I think you're a little bit over the edge here.

What? It is a waste.