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dragos240
November 29th, 2009, 04:02 PM
http://www.pcmech.com/article/why-use-windows/

Here's a few excepts:



Reason 2: Windows has the most hardware and software support.





Reason 3: Your other choices suck.





You can try Linux because it’s free. But you’ll fast discover that the stuff that works in Windows without complaint is a nightmare to get working under Linux. Oh, so you wanted to plug in your printer and have it work? Sorry. Your wireless card isn’t supported? Guess you’re out of luck. Linux’s only saving grace is the fact it’s free because no one in their right mind would pay for this crap.


This guy is clearly biased. Funny read though. :popcorn:

Arthur_D
November 29th, 2009, 04:13 PM
Printers and wireless support is now in many cases better/easier in Linux than in Windows. I'd say that driver support is generally a lot less of an issue now than just 2-3 years ago.

Nerd King
November 29th, 2009, 04:14 PM
Just for the lulz, I actually find that printers and wireless usually work straight away on linux. This is not the case on windows.

dragos240
November 29th, 2009, 04:14 PM
Printers and wireless support is now in many cases better/easier in Linux than in Windows. I'd say that driver support is generally a lot less of an issue now than just 2-3 years ago.

Yeah. All of my hardware that I have in Linux, was already detected. In windows, it was install this driver and hope it works.

Dougie187
November 29th, 2009, 04:18 PM
It's obvious that he doesn't know what he is talking about. He uses too many absolutes that make him seem dumb. Even a biased report could be written better than this crap.

RabbitWho
November 29th, 2009, 04:19 PM
It says it's supposed to be about "getting your geek on" in which case difficulty shouldn't be an issue.

Not that linux is ever difficult. *ahem*

dragos240
November 29th, 2009, 04:22 PM
Linux, for the most part has been easy. The thing that irritates me the most is getting my custom kernel compiled. Not that it's necessary. Lots of headaches.

Ian dewhurst
November 29th, 2009, 04:29 PM
I always enjoy reading the comments at the end of the article.
The particular comment that caught my eye was "I've never had a virus/malware/spyware and i bet my pc is faster and runs 10 times better than your mac"
I'm sorry but anyone who has used windows knows full well as soon as they start browsing the internet = tracking cookies.
Has he ever had to admin a windows box? Its a nightmare one event error has on some occasions five possible solutions oh and that error could also mean a few different problems, I don't want to seem biased or a fanboy but stable isn't windows.

chucky chuckaluck
November 29th, 2009, 04:32 PM
"Go to any retail establishment that sells software and you will see Windows titles."

why would they be selling linux software? it's free.


good points about macs. the only way to try them is to go into an apple store and hope the help is occupied with people who actually look like they might buy something.

Ms_Angel_D
November 29th, 2009, 04:33 PM
"Go to any retail establishment that sells software and you will see Windows titles."

why would they be selling linux software? it's free.

It's not all free there is some pay Linux software...

RATM_Owns
November 29th, 2009, 04:37 PM
Windows has more hardware support?
Last time I checked, the Linux kernel has options for legacy support of hardware which Windows dropped support for a long time ago.

GNU/Linux was also the first OS to support USB3, since September.

My school uses Windows (of course) and when I plug in my USB stick it needs to download drivers before I can use it, when in GNU/Linux, it's already built into the kernel.

I could run Arch on a 10-year old computer, but I sure as hell couldn't run Windows 7 on it.

Kdar
November 29th, 2009, 04:40 PM
I find it especially funny when he starts to talk about IE. Yes, its so great:D haha.. I really miss it

clanky
November 29th, 2009, 04:50 PM
Reason 1: It’s the same OS you use at work.

This one is valid for some people, most people who only use the basic functions of office software can transfer stuff easily between various office programs, but for those who use dedicated software at work and need to be able to use it at home as well they may have to use windows.

Although in general not really an issue as most people either don't use specialist software or don't need to access it from home.


Reason 2: Windows has the most hardware and software support.

This is probably his most valid argument, hardware support is easier with windows, if you buy new hardware it comes with a disc with windows drivers on.

Yes this is getting better in Linux, but still a long way to go.


Reason 3: Your other choices suck.

He's starting to lose the plot at this point.

Not exactly a reasoned argument, your other choices only suck if they don't do what you want on the hardware you want them to do it on, which for most people doesn't exclude Linux.


Reason 4: Internet Explorer

I lol'd, there are some very good reasons why people might want to use windows, IE is certainly not one of them.


Reason 5: It’s the most cost effective.

In some cases it can be, cheapest doesn't always mean best value, but again this depends on what you want to use your system for.

Not sure if this article was meant to be serious, meant to be funny or meant to be trolling / flamebait, but either way - FAIL

ugm6hr
November 29th, 2009, 04:54 PM
This was (is) satire.

I found it amusing...

sloggerkhan
November 29th, 2009, 05:00 PM
So someone writes an article in 2008 that sounds like it might be from 2004. Yawn.

dragos240
November 29th, 2009, 05:03 PM
This was (is) satire.

I found it amusing...

That was the point of posting it here ;).

hoppipolla
November 29th, 2009, 05:18 PM
Hey I can sum comments like that up in one word! Ignorant. :)

clanky
November 29th, 2009, 05:20 PM
This was (is) satire.

I found it amusing...

It's not particularly good satire though!

Exodist
November 29th, 2009, 05:21 PM
It's obvious that he doesn't know what he is talking about. He uses too many absolutes that make him seem dumb. Even a biased report could be written better than this crap.
+This

Repetitive wording normally means lower vocabulary. a.k.a. Hee Tupid!
Prob just some win user IMHO thats mastered the power of NEXT -> NEXT -> NEXT and thinks hes a f'n genius.

LinuxFanBoi
November 29th, 2009, 05:43 PM
The more people try Linux and begin to favor it, the more people will demand support for it from hardware manufacturers. I personally will not buy a printer that doesn't have manufacturer support for Linux.

This is where money talks. Of course it's going to be a long time before the individual consumers needs are taken into consideration. It's the needs of big business that get the attention from the hardware manufacturers so the more Linux is adopted by the business community, the better off we will be as consumers using Linux.

This is the same principal as the growth of the internet. if not for the investments of major corporations into their backbones, we would not be able to benefit from an ever faster and faster internet.

dragos240
November 29th, 2009, 05:51 PM
Well. All HP printers work on Linux. HPLIP ftw!

Alex Libman
November 29th, 2009, 06:09 PM
Windows clearly is a more mature, stable, and better supported desktop operating system. I think there's a case of selection bias on this forum - the vast majority of people who try Linux go back to Windows, but those random few that avoid all the problems of Linux end up on this forum.

amingv
November 29th, 2009, 06:11 PM
Some commenters make very good points as well:


(Answering to another commenter)You say Windows is a spyware/virus magnet. Incorrect; Windows is a targeted os – And who are the only people with a motive for and capable of writing viruses/spyware targeting Windows? Linux zealot geeks, that’s who.[...]

LOL, I almost put that in my sig.

I have a Linksys USB wireless adapter. Linksys is (or at least was) a terrible company Linux-wise. The adapter however works perfectly on Linux x64 and is quite impossible to get working on 7 x64, windows being the os it claims to support. This is not an isolated case.

Is it MS fault? No, it's the manufacturer's fault.
However the same argument is perfectly invalid when applied to Linux hardware support. Go figure.

Chame_Wizard
November 29th, 2009, 06:19 PM
It's funny as hell.:P

jpmelos
November 29th, 2009, 06:31 PM
This guy is a complete joke. He knows nothing of what he is talking about.

Anyone twice as intelligent as a monkey can learn Mac or Linux. If you give Ubuntu or Mac to a child (or someone completely new to computers), I bet they can catch up faster than on Windows. It's damn easy nowadays.

Sef
November 29th, 2009, 06:44 PM
Well. All HP printers work on Linux. HPLIP ftw!

Mostly all, here are some HP printers that do not work (http://hplipopensource.com/hplip-web/supported_devices/unsupported.html)on Linux.

Miguel
November 29th, 2009, 07:41 PM
I... I... I use linux at work.

NoaHall
November 29th, 2009, 07:46 PM
I... I... I use linux at work.

I use Linux for work.

Tipped OuT
November 29th, 2009, 08:57 PM
Windows has more hardware support?
Last time I checked, the Linux kernel has options for legacy support of hardware which Windows dropped support for a long time ago.

GNU/Linux was also the first OS to support USB3, since September.

My school uses Windows (of course) and when I plug in my USB stick it needs to download drivers before I can use it, when in GNU/Linux, it's already built into the kernel.

I could run Arch on a 10-year old computer, but I sure as hell couldn't run Windows 7 on it.

Agh, you guys don't understand what he meant by that.
There's drivers, for Windows, for every piece of hardware available for PC. Unlike Linux.

You may have to run Windows 98 to use it, but you can still use it.

EDIT: This thread is one big headache. All I see is angry sarcastic Linux users.

spupy
November 29th, 2009, 09:00 PM
You guys sure got trolled. :)

anselm
November 29th, 2009, 09:09 PM
I have never seen such an arrogant/ignorant person write about windows or linux.

If I was a hardcore windows user i would be embarrassed.

chucky chuckaluck
November 29th, 2009, 09:46 PM
It's not all free there is some pay Linux software...

[this]you mean people pay for that crap???[/guy]

quinnten83
November 29th, 2009, 09:48 PM
Windows clearly is a more mature, stable, and better supported desktop operating system. I think there's a case of selection bias on this forum - the vast majority of people who try Linux go back to Windows, but those random few that avoid all the problems of Linux end up on this forum.

well duh,
It's a linux forum. And you are right, only the wise and enlightened realize that they need to stick around.

CJ Master
November 29th, 2009, 10:05 PM
here isn’t a single person who uses internet and hasn’t found a need (yes, a need) to use Internet Explorer from time to time.

Whether you use IE as your primary or secondary browser, you will notice that major web sites always work best with IE.

One of the first times I actually literally laughed out loud.

UKBB
November 29th, 2009, 10:54 PM
Printers and wireless support is now in many cases better/easier in Linux than in Windows. I'd say that driver support is generally a lot less of an issue now than just 2-3 years ago.

My Kodak printer doesn't work with Ubuntu.

Arthur_D
November 29th, 2009, 10:56 PM
My Kodak printer doesn't work with Ubuntu.
Of course, there are still exceptions. And my wording didn't imply everything was perfect for everyone.

szymon_g
November 29th, 2009, 11:30 PM
http://www.pcmech.com/article/why-use-windows/

Quote:
Reason 2: Windows has the most hardware and software support.


well... most hardware works in windows, when i buy new hardware i *know* it will work fine (under windows)- and i *hope* it will work fine (if it will work) under linux.
sure- some producers make no drivers for an old hardware for new OS- but in that case, they are to blame. and, what is more important: they can do a drivers for vista/win7 and be sure it will work fine for years, while in other operating system they have to change it with every kernel's release (and no, they do not have to open-source them)
also- about software- it is rather obvious that there is more programs for windows platform. even multiplatform programs (like firefox, openoffice etc) works better on windows (or on wine). also, software written 5 years ago will, likely, work fine on closed platform (i wish i could say the same about OS one)



Quote:
Reason 3: Your other choices suck.


well... they suck a lot when you try to use them on desktop, not necesserly on server



This guy is clearly biased. Funny read though.


he isn't more biased then some freetards claiming that linux fits best for all purposes, and that MS (oh, sorry: it should be 'M$') is a pure evil

renkinjutsu
November 29th, 2009, 11:42 PM
@szymon_g
Actually, if they actually cared about providing support for linux, they'd build drivers with support for DKMS, so that they wouldn't have to release new binaries every kernel update.. it's just nonsense. And i doubt releasing their linux drivers' source code would do any harm, in fact, it would gain them the loyalty of linux-users.


I have a linux desktop, but it doesn't suck, nor does it blow.. It just "does what iDont"


And who are you calling freetard? That is really offensive, and i have NOT seen any "freetards" anywhere on this forum. Actually, the phrase i hear most on this forum is "Use the right tool for the right job". This is ridiculous. Grow up and learn to think before posting.

Lluraeden
November 30th, 2009, 12:18 AM
First of all I agree that windows is a good OS to have, if only to fall back on it in an emergency. Like, I use it for skype, because my webcam doesn't work under Ubuntu. But also, if you try to install windows, you have to go through all the hassle of installing it, and finally it's done, you boot up, and nothing works because you need drivers. Well you go on the internet to get the drivers, and realize you need a driver for that as well. To install windows you need about six computers with network access, portable memory, and a lot of time to waste. When I installed ubuntu, I ordered a free CD, put it into the drive, clicked install, waited, and it was finished. Internet, graphics, sound, everything.
Oh and just for the record, I have used internet explorer a little bit, mostly just to install Firefox, but I have never been FORCED to, ever. Whenever I use it, it freezes, actually takes a moment to open a new tab, etc.

PariahVayne
November 30th, 2009, 12:25 AM
Windows does have better driver support.

I've never HAD to use Internet Explorer for anything.

szymon_g
November 30th, 2009, 12:33 AM
@szymon_g
Actually, if they actually cared about providing support for linux, they'd build drivers with support for DKMS, so that they wouldn't have to release new binaries every kernel update..


yes, they would have to. kernel API changes, drivers written for 2.6.22 don't work in 2.6.30 (and vice versa of course)


it's just nonsense. And i doubt releasing their linux drivers' source code would do any harm, in fact, it would gain them the loyalty of linux-users.


i think that hardware (and drivers) makers should take that decision. and how much (in pounds, euros or dollars) loyalty of users of system that sheres 1-1.2% of users (on desktop) is worth?



I have a linux desktop, but it doesn't suck, nor does it blow.. It just "does what iDont"

good for you



And who are you calling freetard? That is really offensive, and i have NOT seen any "freetards" anywhere on this forum.

look into my previous post (last part), you will find 'en example'



Actually, the phrase i hear most on this forum is "Use the right tool for the right job"

which is great. hope that everyone who happily claims that 'linux is for everybody' would think about that more


Grow up and learn to think before posting.

yeah, because all i wrote was false, right :?

regards
szymon

mjwilson1313
November 30th, 2009, 12:51 AM
I find that Linux and Ubuntu in particular have much more support than any version of Ms. Instead of calling 1-800-Ms or 1800 anyone, I simply click on the forums here and ask a question and have an answer in minutes. Hardware now working...... its beautiful in its simplicity. Oh and no hold time lol

dragos240
November 30th, 2009, 12:56 AM
yes, they would have to. kernel API changes, drivers written for 2.6.22 don't work in 2.6.30 (and vice versa of course)



i think that hardware (and drivers) makers should take that decision. and how much (in pounds, euros or dollars) loyalty of users of system that sheres 1-1.2% of users (on desktop) is worth?



good for you



look into my previous post (last part), you will find 'en example'



which is great. hope that everyone who happily claims that 'linux is for everybody' would think about that more



yeah, because all i wrote was false, right :?

regards
szymon


I didn't write any of that >.<.

Tipped OuT
November 30th, 2009, 01:02 AM
I didn't write any of that >.<.

Yeah, just noticed that. Lol.

Can someone say "fail"? :P

szymon_g
November 30th, 2009, 01:03 AM
I didn't write any of that >.<.

ooops, i misused ctrl+c + ctrl+v :~
above comments have been written by renkinjutsu
I appologise for it

Tipped OuT
November 30th, 2009, 01:04 AM
ooops, i misused ctrl+c + ctrl+v :~
above comments have been written by renkinjutsu
I appologise for it

You can edit it. No worries. :)

dragos240
November 30th, 2009, 01:04 AM
ooops, i misused ctrl+c + ctrl+v :~
above comments have been written by renkinjutsu
I appologise for it


LOLz.

Aflack
November 30th, 2009, 01:06 AM
None of your hardware you picked up over the years will work on Mac or Linux. Use Windows, you're familiar with it and Internet Explorer is the best.

BenAshton24
November 30th, 2009, 01:06 AM
urgh... words cannot express how much this guy needs a slap...

doorknob60
November 30th, 2009, 01:15 AM
Well, on the hardware support note, my Wireless card in my Desktop (Atheros) and Laptop (Intel 2100 Wifi) both work out of the box in Linux, and my HP printer does too. They all work in Windows, but all require seperate drivers. The Printer driver is particularly painful, the driver download is like 300 MB, what the hell? Also it takes like 10 minutes to install it...Also for Wireless, at least in Windows 7, I have to manually Google for "Atheros 64-bit drivers", and install them, and Windows says "this won't work with your hardware", then I say "yes it will" then it works :P Can't use the drivers from the CD it came with since that's onyl for XP x86. Overall though, hardware support is better, albeit more annoying. For example, my USB Capture card works great in Windows, and refuses to even be detected by any programs in Linux (other than lsusb lol). Most of this article is just biased flaming though ("the other OSes suck"), and I hope it was meant as a joke. If he was serious....lol :P

szymon_g
November 30th, 2009, 01:18 AM
LOLz.

sh*te happens, everyone makes mistakes.


None of your hardware you picked up over the years will work on Mac or Linux. Use Windows, you're familiar with it and Internet Explorer is the best.

(assuming it was for me): they are much higher chances, that it will work better on windows than on linux. and no, i'm not familiar with windows- i find this system (i'm thinking about windows 7) hard and not-so-easy to maintain. and no, IE isn't the best- but it sucks less than firefox on linux (especially with adobe's flash plugin) (but it still sucks more than firefox or chrome on windows)


urgh... words cannot express how much this guy needs a slap...

so why have you commented it?

amingv
November 30th, 2009, 01:30 AM
[...]IE isn't the best- but it sucks less than firefox on linux[...]

What's wrong wit FF on Linux?
It hasn't sucked for me so far, can you give me an eye opener?

Tipped OuT
November 30th, 2009, 01:34 AM
What's wrong wit FF on Linux?
It hasn't sucked for me so far, can you give me an eye opener?

Uses up A LOT of memory over time. That's the only issue I've noticed.

dragos240
November 30th, 2009, 01:36 AM
That's not firefox. It's gecko. The engine ff runs under.

amingv
November 30th, 2009, 01:52 AM
Uses up A LOT of memory over time. That's the only issue I've noticed.

I have FF open in my old laptop now, task manager reports ~45mb of RAM usage. I checked FF in my mom's PC (XP Pro), task manager reports ~78mb of RAM usage.

Both only have flash plugin installed (though neither are using it now) and two open tabs, and have been in use for about the same amount of time (~3 hours since we came home).

Maybe the problem is somewhere else?

Spike-X
November 30th, 2009, 09:13 AM
Oh, so you wanted to plug in your printer and have it work? Sorry.

Utter nonsense. My printer works fine with Ubuntu, and has since I started using Ubuntu.

Whereas in the time it took me to install the software for a cheap inkjet printer onto my boss' laptop at work (running XP), I could have installed the entire Ubuntu OS, all updates, and had it up and running perfectly.

Spike-X
November 30th, 2009, 09:16 AM
I've never HAD to use Internet Explorer for anything.

The only thing IE is good for is downloading Firefox. Or Google Chrome. Or anything but IE.

SirBismuth
November 30th, 2009, 09:34 AM
The only thing IE is good for is downloading Firefox. Or Google Chrome. Or anything but IE.

True, but these days I keep install files for FF and Chrome in a download folder, so don't even need to use IE for that! :D

B

AllRadioisDead
November 30th, 2009, 09:39 AM
Yeah. All of my hardware that I have in Linux, was already detected. In windows, it was install this driver and hope it works.
To be fair, in windows 7 a lot of hardware works out of the box that didn't in windows xp/vista. Even my ATI HD card to my surprise.