I just uninstalled Firefox from my computer!

[HappinessNow]

I just uninstalled Firefox from my computer!...I found ever since I made Google Chrome/Chromium my default web browser I no longer need the behemoth of a snail known as Firefox.

This day November 22, 2009 I have been liberated and am officially Firefox free!

:popcorn:

[Bachstelze]

Cool story, bro.

[HappinessNow]

Cool story, bro.

Riveting tale, chap

[tom66]

Rock on, dude.

I have made Chromium my default browser too.

I still have Firefox, because there is one addon I need occasionally for it.

[TheNessus]

Earth-shattering, spleen-splicing, hair-raising story, mate.

[cliffbreaker]

Firefox is classics, bring it back)

[John Bean]

You're a bit like a stuck record on this subject; I get a feeling of deja vu every time I see one of your posts. But don't let that interfere with your fanboyism about a certain browser... or Elton John for that matter. Someone has to love them, there's no accounting for taste :-)

[Rashedul]

2012

[chucky chuckaluck]

weird. i just installed it last night. did i get your's, or is mine fresh? in other news, vimperator rocks (and i don't even like vim).

[OffHand]

boring

[ZankerH]

Firefox? I use uzbl.

www.uzbl.org

[SuperSonic4]

I just uninstalled Firefox from my computer!...I found ever since I made Google Chrome/Chromium my default web browser I no longer need the behemoth of a snail known as Firefox.

This day November 22, 2009 I have been liberated and am officially Firefox free!

:popcorn:


I need firefox 3.5 for online banking so I have it but my primary browser is minefield

[SunnyRabbiera]

Yes but why use a browser that wont support us anytime soon?

[fly360]

I just uninstalled Firefox from my computer!...I found ever since I made Google Chrome/Chromium my default web browser I no longer need the behemoth of a snail known as Firefox.

This day November 22, 2009 I have been liberated and am officially Firefox free!

:popcorn:

How did you do that, use Google Chrome when I just tried to download it from Google and the site said it is still under development? The reason why I ask this is because I want to dump Firefox also.

[GreenDance]

whats going on? have I missed something about firefox?

[ZankerH]

How did you do that, use Google Chrome when I just tried to download it from Google and the site said it is still under development? The reason why I ask this is because I want to dump Firefox also.

#add-apt-repository ppa:chromium
#apt-get update
#apt-get install chromium

[V for Vincent]

chromium is currently my default browser, but it still has some shortcomings, so I'm not about to ditch FF any time soon.

[Digikid]

Enjoy the spyware.

[Praxicoide]

Why do all his threads sound like ads?

[NoaHall]

I don't understand why people liked firefox so much in the first place. Slow and bloated? No thanks.

[Ms_Angel_D]

Until Chrome has enough extensions to do what my extensions in firefox do I'll continue to use firefox.

[CharlesA]

Until Chrome has enough extensions to do what my extensions in firefox do I'll continue to use firefox.

This is the reason my main browser is FF. I do have Chrome installed tho.

[Ms_Angel_D]

This is the reason my main browser is FF. I do have Chrome installed tho.

I have it installed as well, but for all my main browsing I still use firefox.

[tom66]

Enjoy the spyware.
Chromium is open-source.

By that reasoning, the open-source Firefox is also spying on you.

[Eagles18]

I'm staying with FF because of its massive library of addons.

[SuperSonic4]

Chromium is open-source.

By that reasoning, the open-source Firefox is also spying on you.

closed source != spyware


Spyware is a program that takes information and gives it to somebody else without asking the user if they agree to giving it

[fly360]

I'm having problems with FF because there is a lot of sites I'm unable to watch videos. I believe its flash cause it happens on site pages like NFL webpage.

[Jon Monreal]

Chromium is open-source.

By that reasoning, the open-source Firefox is also spying on you.

As has been pointed out, that is faulty reasoning.

I believe the point he was trying to make was more with how Google handles your personal information rather than the fact that Chromium is open source.

[laceration]

I flirted w/ Chromium, went back to Firefox. A couple of things I liked about Chromium I found addons for in FF. The reverse is not possible. Chromium has a large memory footprint too, but I do like how it breaks everything into separate processes.
I do use chromium for dedicated web apps though, I like it better than xul-runner/prism.

[speedwell68]

I don't understand why people liked firefox so much in the first place. Slow and bloated? No thanks.

Swiftfox FTW.:D

[toupeiro]

I'm currently testing out chromium. At first glance it looked quite a bit leaner than firefox, and now that I've run it a while, I've found that chromium is actually more of a pig than firefox. I have 6 tabs open, and what I see from a process standpoint is several spawned chromium-browser PID's takeing up varying amounts of RAM, but when totaled 244MB. fireox 3.5.6 loading the very same web pages occupies 106MB. Now to be fair, I just opened firefox, so I will now close chrome, reopen it to the same pages and see what the footprint is. Edit coming soon.

After relaunching chromium, opening the same pages, chromium is now occupying 191MB throughout its spawned processes. A fair amount more than firefox. Looks like firefox is not so bloated after all...

[NoaHall]

I'm currently testing out chromium. At first glance it looked quite a bit leaner than firefox, and now that I've run it a while, I've found that chromium is actually more of a pig than firefox. I have 6 tabs open, and what I see from a process standpoint is several spawned chromium-browser PID's takeing up varying amounts of RAM, but when totaled 244MB. fireox 3.5.6 loading the very same web pages occupies 106MB. Now to be fair, I just opened firefox, so I will now close chrome, reopen it to the same pages and see what the footprint is. Edit coming soon.

After relaunching chromium, opening the same pages, chromium is now occupying 191MB throughout its spawned processes. A fair amount more than firefox. Looks like firefox is not so bloated after all...

Ar eyou using chrome, or chromium? And is it the latest version from the daily repo? And are you running it with flash enabled?

[The Thug]

I used Chromium for around a week but have gone back to FF because of two issues, namely:

- Chromium doesn't display OWA webmail, or rather it doesn't recognise the website, and
- "Clicking" on images in webpages brings up a blank pages. This I noticed from the Conky thread.

[toupeiro]

Ar eyou using chrome, or chromium? And is it the latest version from the daily repo? And are you running it with flash enabled?

sudo apt-get install chromium-browser, from the daily repo, with flash enabled.

[NoaHall]

sudo apt-get install chromium-browser, from the daily repo, with flash enabled.

Ah, it might be down to enabling flash. I don't use flash in chromium, that's what opera is for.

[toupeiro]

Ah, it might be down to enabling flash. I don't use flash in chromium, that's what opera is for.

Well, be that as it may, I don't believe in using 2 and especially three browsers to surf the web if one will do. Which one does it better is all I care about.

[blueshiftoverwatch]

I just installed Chromium minutes ago.

I tried opening up the same website in both Firefox and Chromium and Chromium is slightly faster.

Also, the options section doesn't seem as comprehensive as Firefox and theirs no private browsing mode so that web data isn't saved to my hard drive.

Neat to try out but I think I'm going back to Firefox. Not to mention the lack of extensions.

[NoaHall]

Well, be that as it may, I don't believe in using 2 and especially three browsers to surf the web if one will do. Which one does it better is all I care about.

Meh, watching videos != web browsing.

[toupeiro]

Meh, watching videos != web browsing.

maybe not ten years ago, but .. have you browsed the web lately? Videos are everywhere.

[NoaHall]

maybe not ten years ago, but .. have you browsed the web lately? Videos are everywhere.

Doesn't mean you have to watch them. Windows is everywhere, doesn't mean you have to use it ;)

[toupeiro]

Doesn't mean you have to watch them. Windows is everywhere, doesn't mean you have to use it ;)

thats a pretty light argument. Windows is not imbedded into a web page I browse to, a video is. And if you look off into the not to distant future, video integration with the web will only grow more and more. I'm not the type to stick my head in the dirt and pretend its not happening. :)

[speedwell68]

I'd just like to say that Swiftfox 3.5.5 with a whole load of addons installed, six random tabs open and playing a Youtube video tops out at 95.4mb. The latest Chromium with exactly the same tabs and video playing is topping out at 120.6mb. Also Swiftfox feels quicker and seems to load pages faster. When Chrome/Chromium is as user friendly as Firefox (or Swiftfox), has the same addon base as Firefox (or Swiftfox), is as fast as Swiftfox and uses as little memory as Swiftfox I will consider using it.

[SpriteSODA]

I almost did the same but then Chromium started failing to work with Flash stuff like youtube player

[Uncle Spellbinder]

I still use Firefox every now and again. And you couldn't pay me to use Google's spyware browser Chrome.

SeaMonkey 2.0 all they way, for me.

[lisati]

How's this for tacky? One of my machines has IE4 on it.....

[pwnst*r]

Firefox is classics, bring it back)

so is Leave It To Beaver, but...

[Jon Monreal]

Leave It To Beaver

Aw shucks, why can't we just all agree that there is no "best browser" for every given application.

[pwnst*r]

gee, Wally, i dunno.

[koleoptero]

I also dumped the browser that displays all pages correctly and actually opens attachments here, for the faster less useful cranky one that submits all my browsing data to google. Seemed like the best thing to do.

[murderslastcrow]

I'm using Chromium. Is Chromium the same thing? Is there no spyware-free version? XD I like the Javascript engine, and the way it manages tabs. @_@ It runs faster on my computer than anything else, and with a minimal footprint.

Perhaps I will use mini-mode in Swiftfox. *contemplates*

[NoaHall]

I'm using Chromium. Is Chromium the same thing? Is there no spyware-free version? XD I like the Javascript engine, and the way it manages tabs. @_@ It runs faster on my computer than anything else, and with a minimal footprint.

Perhaps I will use mini-mode in Swiftfox. *contemplates*

Chromium is the open source version. Chrome is the Google version.

[HomoGleek]

I just installed Chromium minutes ago.

I tried opening up the same website in both Firefox and Chromium and Chromium is slightly faster.

Also, the options section doesn't seem as comprehensive as Firefox and theirs no private browsing mode so that web data isn't saved to my hard drive.

Neat to try out but I think I'm going back to Firefox. Not to mention the lack of extensions.
Chromium has private browsing.... click the spanner then new incognito window, or shift+ctrl+n

[HappinessNow]

Chromium has private browsing.... click the spanner then new incognito window, or shift+ctrl+n
exactly!

It is also important to use the latest developers build.

[Uncle Spellbinder]

I'm using Chromium. Is Chromium the same thing? Is there no spyware-free version?

I've heard nothing but great things about Iron (http://www.srware.net/en/software_srware_iron.php). Haven't looked into the compatibility with Linux yet. But on Windows, it's lightning quick and spyware-free.


Google's Web browser Chrome thrilled with an extremely fast site rendering, a sleek design and innovative features. But it also gets critic from data protection specialists , for reasons such as creating a unique user ID or the submission of entries to Google to generate suggestions. SRWare Iron is a real alternative. The browser is based on the Chromium-source and offers the same features as Chrome - but without the critical points that the privacy concern.

[Ric_NYC]

Chromium is my default browser. I think it is much better than Firefox.

Crickets chirping in the dark forest... Chirp... Chirp...

[cptrohn]

I never really used Chromium before the other day and I installed it.. it doesn't seem too bad, but I don't know if it's anything really special either... maybe if they had more extensions I would use it more.

It is also a little sluggish for me.. (I had to disable Ipv6 in ff3.5 so I figure I need to do it in chromium as well, just haven't figured out how to yet)

it looks interesting... but then again all the google stuff about spying makes me leary of using it a lot.

[stinger30au]

care factor....

zero!

[blueshiftoverwatch]

Chromium has private browsing.... click the spanner then new incognito window, or shift+ctrl+n
Didn't know that.

But you have to open an incognito window every time you log in because it won't do it automatically on startup like Firefox, right?

[CharlesA]

Didn't know that.

But you have to open an incognito window every time you log in because it won't do it automatically on startup like Firefox, right?

Suppose that's also like how it won't clear yer private data on exit automatically like FF, right?

[mikewhatever]

You're a bit like a stuck record on this subject; I get a feeling of deja vu every time I see one of your posts. But don't let that interfere with your fanboyism about a certain browser... or Elton John for that matter. Someone has to love them, there's no accounting for taste :-)

+1. Well said.

[toupeiro]

Still doing benchmarks between firefox and chromium.. (I'm bored),


I hate to say it, but Firefox is just winning here... Firefox's ability to multi-thread using one PID distributes the load across CPU cores better than Chromium's load balanced across several PID's to perform multi-threaded operations. I did a streaming video test over both browsers, Chromium could only thread over 2 cores at once, Firefox was able to distribute its load across all 8 presented cores. Firefox's one PID occupies a substancially smaller memory footprint than Chromium's multiple PID's combined. (185MB versus 218MB for the same pages laoded.)

I want to like chromium, but its just not there yet. I'll keep my fingers crossed that it will continue to improve with time.

[RabbitWho]

Right now I have firefox and Chrome open.. I'm writing this in Chrome and I'm downloading a video in Firefox. . . well swiftfox.. but whatever.

Also Chrome doesn't support HTML 5. Woot!?

[Tibuda]

Didn't know that.

But you have to open an incognito window every time you log in because it won't do it automatically on startup like Firefox, right?

Change your chromium launcher in the menu to

chromium-browser --incognito

[toupeiro]

Still doing benchmarks between firefox and chromium.. (I'm bored),


I hate to say it, but Firefox is just winning here... Firefox's ability to multi-thread using one PID distributes the load across CPU cores better than Chromium's load balanced across several PID's to perform multi-threaded operations. I did a streaming video test over both browsers, Chromium could only thread over 2 cores at once, Firefox was able to distribute its load across all 8 presented cores. Firefox's one PID occupies a substancially smaller memory footprint than Chromium's multiple PID's combined. (185MB versus 218MB for the same pages laoded.)

I want to like chromium, but its just not there yet. I'll keep my fingers crossed that it will continue to improve with time.

More specific details:

Firefox:


Linux 2.6.31-15-generic (mobius) 11/24/2009 _x86_64_ (8 CPU)
03:04:44 AM TGID TID %usr %system %guest %CPU CPU Command
03:04:44 AM 4820 - 11.44 0.14 0.00 11.58 6 firefox
03:04:44 AM - 4820 4.88 0.08 0.00 4.96 6 |__firefox
03:04:44 AM - 4823 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 2 |__firefox
03:04:44 AM - 4824 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 2 |__firefox
03:04:44 AM - 4825 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.01 6 |__firefox
03:04:44 AM - 4857 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0 |__firefox
03:04:44 AM - 4859 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 4 |__firefox
03:04:44 AM - 4912 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 1 |__firefox
03:04:44 AM - 22957 0.01 0.00 0.00 0.01 2 |__firefox
03:04:44 AM - 22958 0.01 0.00 0.00 0.01 4 |__firefox
03:04:44 AM - 22959 0.01 0.00 0.00 0.01 2 |__firefox
03:04:44 AM - 22960 0.01 0.00 0.00 0.01 6 |__firefox
03:04:44 AM - 22961 0.01 0.00 0.00 0.01 1 |__firefox
03:04:44 AM - 22962 0.01 0.00 0.00 0.01 4 |__firefox
03:04:44 AM - 22963 0.01 0.00 0.00 0.01 2 |__firefox
03:04:44 AM - 29045 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 1 |__firefox
03:04:44 AM - 29046 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 1 |__firefox
03:04:44 AM - 4970 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 5 |__firefox
03:04:44 AM - 13137 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 3 |__firefox



And Chromium:



Linux 2.6.31-15-generic (mobius) 11/24/2009 _x86_64_ (8 CPU)
03:05:25 AM TGID TID %usr %system %guest %CPU CPU Command
03:05:25 AM 14655 - 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 4 chromium-browse
03:05:25 AM - 14655 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 4 |__chromium-browse
03:05:25 AM - 14664 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 4 |__chromium-browse
03:05:25 AM - 14714 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 5 |__chromium-browse
03:05:25 AM 14656 - 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 7 chromium-browse
03:05:25 AM - 14656 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 7 |__chromium-browse
03:05:25 AM 14658 - 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 1 chromium-browse
03:05:25 AM 14675 - 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 3 chromium-browse
03:05:25 AM - 14675 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 3 |__chromium-browser


The formatting is a but off, but the number right before the command name is the cpu handling the threads for the command. As you can see, firefox is making much better use of the i7 chip with one Process (4820) TID, I believe stands for Thread ID....

[BenAshton24]

Firefox is Firefox meaning that it is awesome and superior to all other browsers.

You can't deny it, my logic is irrefutable.

[RabbitWho]

Firefox is Firefox meaning that it is awesome and superior to all other browsers.

You can't deny it, my logic is irrefutable.

That's what I said before I tried Chrome.

I was a die-hard firefox head. I would like to be again, if they can catch up.

It makes me sad that Chrome is stealing more Firefox users than Internet Explorer users. Because most people who use IE don't know what a browser is. :(

[toupeiro]

Actually, looking a little closer at what I posted, I think I stand corrected...

So, chromium spawned off a process called "exe" when the video started to play and it threaded the heck out of it! Chromium may be harder to trace than I thought.. screw it, I'm going to bed. If anyone else cares, they can continue where I left off:P just install the sysstat tools and use pidstat with a -t to get the threading stats. there's also a switch that will pull memory into it as well.


03:24:17 AM 23025 - 0.01 0.00 0.00 0.01 1 exe
03:24:17 AM - 23025 0.00 0.00 0.00 1.20 1 |__exe
03:24:17 AM - 23026 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 2 |__exe
03:24:17 AM - 23030 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 1 |__exe
03:24:17 AM - 23031 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0 |__exe
03:24:17 AM - 23032 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 1 |__exe
03:24:17 AM - 23033 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 5 |__exe
03:24:17 AM - 23034 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 5 |__exe
03:24:17 AM - 23035 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 1 |__exe
03:24:17 AM - 23036 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 5 |__exe
03:24:17 AM - 23043 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 2 |__exe
03:24:17 AM - 23044 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 5 |__exe
03:24:17 AM - 23045 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 5 |__exe
03:24:17 AM - 25975 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 5 |__exe



PID USER PR NI VIRT RES SHR S %CPU %MEM TIME+ COMMAND
23025 toupeiro 20 0 799m 69m 21m S 25 1.2 1:22.28 exe
3020 root 20 0 947m 93m 21m S 8 1.6 78:09.09 Xorg
22645 toupeiro 20 0 355m 26m 17m S 7 0.4 0:42.10 gnome-system-mo
15513 toupeiro 20 0 1016m 181m 35m S 5 3.0 3:14.56 firefox
3275 toupeiro 20 0 344m 54m 18m S 4 0.9 90:49.74 compiz.real
18935 toupeiro 20 0 399m 11m 9400 S 1 0.2 11:15.26 pulseaudio
27431 toupeiro 20 0 19264 1476 980 R 1 0.0 0:00.21 top
4366 toupeiro 20 0 336m 20m 11m S 0 0.3 0:26.12 gnome-terminal
20441 toupeiro 20 0 261m 34m 11m S 0 0.6 0:28.25 ubuntuone-clien
21547 toupeiro 21 1 856m 34m 13m S 0 0.6 0:00.83 chromium-browse

[Uncle Spellbinder]

That's what I said before I tried Chrome.

I was a die-hard firefox head. I would like to be again, if they can catch up.

Chrome is NOT a browser. It is spyware, pure and simple. Chrome's derivatives (Chromium and SRWare Iron) way very well be fine browsers minus Google's little anti-privacy tools. But Chrome itself, is CRAP.

[speedwell68]

Chrome is NOT a browser. It is spyware, pure and simple. Chrome's derivatives (Chromium and SRWare Iron) way very well be fine browsers minus Google's little anti-privacy tools. But Chrome itself, is CRAP.

I thought that Google Chrome is a derivative of Chromium. As is SRWare Iron. Anyway I agree with you Chrome is a very polished way of watching how I use the Net. In Firefox/Swiftfox I use the Customise Google Addon to help make my browsing a more anonymous experience. It allows the user to anonymise Google cookies and stop the browser sending cookies to Google Analytics. Whilst I think Google offer some great products and services I don't want them storing data on my online activities, or any other company for that matter.

[forrestcupp]

Does Chrome have good add-ons?


Chrome is NOT a browser. It is spyware, pure and simple. Chrome's derivatives (Chromium and SRWare Iron) way very well be fine browsers minus Google's little anti-privacy tools. But Chrome itself, is CRAP.
+1

[froggyswamp]

People fighting to prove Firefox is faster recur to cherry picking setups and timing certain things. That's a shame, reminds me of Microsoft's "get the facts" campaign.
We (all?) know Chrome feels and is much snappier, startup time, rendering, JavaScript, acid 3 compliance.
Of course there's (much less) cases where Firefox is (slightly) faster (which makes these debates possible), but overall every intelligent man _knows_ that overall Chrome is much snappier. Looks like soon it officially gets support for extensions yay!!

[toupeiro]

We (all?) know Chrome feels and is much snappier, startup time, rendering, JavaScript, acid 3 compliance.

Citation needed for Chromium please...


Of course there's (much less) cases where Firefox is (slightly) faster (which makes these debates possible), but overall every intelligent man _knows_ that overall Chrome is much snappier. Looks like soon it officially gets support for extensions yay!!

I wasn't trying to prove firefox was faster, I was trying to get passed the FUD about both browsers and see something real in comparison since nobody else seemed compelled to do so.

Right now, the only logical reason to switch to chromium is cosmetic, because it does not appear to utilize RAM or cores better and forking off PID's is a well known way to get more threads behind your product, but its also much harder to trace and troubleshoot and I've never seen any real evidence that forking off PID's is any more efficient in Chromiums case than a single Process capable of leveraging multiple cores. In fact, from a memory consumption standpoint in chromiums case, its shown me that its not as efficient at all. If chromium is any faster than firefox, its measured at a decimal place that my i7 system hasn't been able to display, or that my eyes haven't been able to see to tell me me its worth the additional RAM its going to consume. I use tabs to death, If it's going to use 20% more ram to use the same tabs, there better be something else very compelling about that browser that my default one doesn't have. Chromium might be for you, and thats great. I still think its a good browser and has come a long way, but from my findings, I can't say "its a better browser than firefox." See the bottom line in my signature.

Use whatever browser you want. I wasn't trying to persuade you not to.

[Jr.Muffin]

Midori (http://www.twotoasts.de/index.php) FTW

[froggyswamp]

Haha you should read your own signature for you're distorting the facts yourself by calling the amazing speed and "snappiness" of Chrome a "cosmetic" reason, not to mention Chrome's other features which Firefox will have in later versions, i.e. Firefox 3.7 plans to have a process per tab as Chrome does now. etc etc. The only thing I don't like about Chrome is that it sends data to Google, but almost anything else, including its speed and sandbox - plain cool.

Citations - citations are not synonyms for truth, look for facts not citations.

[toupeiro]

Haha you should read your own signature for you're distorting the facts yourself by calling the amazing speed and "snappiness" of Chrome a "cosmetic" reason, not to mention Chrome's other features which Firefox will have in later versions, i.e. Firefox 3.7 plans to have a process per tab as Chrome does now. etc etc. The only thing I don't like about Chrome is that it sends data to Google, but almost anything else, including its speed and sandbox - plain cool.

Citations - citations are not synonyms for truth, look for facts not citations.

ok.. 1) I'm testing CHROMIUM! Chrome and Chromium are at different developmental stages.

2) pidstat/top == FACTS, all the marketing buzzwords you said to describe performance == distorted.

3) the speed I've seen is nowhere near the label of "amazing" in comparison to firefox, And a Process per tab in 3.7 is ok, I'm not against forking PID's. Oracle does this very well, for example. Chromium uses about 5 PID's for one session with no tabs that don't all fork with the same name, and spawns off more for certain forms of web content. All I am saying is that from what the most widely used set of sysstat tools across *NIX platforms is telling me, its consuming more memory on my system to get the same data, and forking those processes isn't really doing a better job than the way Firefox is handling it. When you come out telling me I am distorting the facts, and you put up phrases like amazing speed and snappiness, it kind of puts you more in the fanboy catagory than in the catagory of someone interested in facts, so please don't lecture me on them.

If you love chromium, then what I said isn't going to matter at all and thats fine, but be careful what you call facts..

[jeyaganesh]

Firefox always hiccups when I browse flickr website. Now I am using Chrome for flickr website and Opera for downloading large files.
But I still need Firefox because of addons like 'sitelauncher', 'cooliris', 'youtube downloader', 'personas', 'weave', 'tab counter', 'cool previews', 'screen grab', and 'foxtab'. Importantly it has excellent mac multitouch track pad support.:D

[Roasted]

Sorry. Firefox wins.

[pwnst*r]

sorry, chromium "wins".

kthx.

[speedwell68]

Sorry. Firefox wins.


sorry, chromium "wins".

kthx.

Swiftfox beats them both.:D

[Ric_NYC]

Sorry, Chromium starts faster, open webpages faster!

[Uncle Spellbinder]

Sorry. Firefox wins.

sorry, chromium "wins".

Swiftfox beats them both.:D

SeaMonkey 2.0 beats 'em all. ;)

[BuffaloX]

I have been very impressed by the reviews Chrome has gotten, and especially the reported speed of Javascript.

I intend at some point to play a bit with Javascript, but first I have to redesign my site using divs instead of tables.
Then I need to rewrite it for PHP, because it's become unmanageable as pure HTML.

At current speed that will take a while, so maybe Chromium will be in the Ubuntu Repos when I get there.

For now I'm very happy with Firefox, and I have a couple of plugins I don't want to be without.

I don't care if it use 50 or 150 MB, it doesn't matter today, I don't have problems with the speed, but faster is of course better.

I don't see much difference between using FireFox or Chrome regarding dependency on Google. FireFox is 90% Google financed.
If FireFox finds alternate ways to earn money, I will consider it. If they make agreements with Bing or Yahoo, I'm off to Chromium.

Google is the bigger player, but I think the lesser evil among those 3.

[MasterNetra]

Youtube vids work fine for me on Chromium O.o

[Tipped OuT]

Sorry. Firefox wins.


sorry, chromium "wins".

kthx.


Swiftfox beats them both.:D


SeaMonkey 2.0 beats 'em all. ;)

Internet Explorer blazes them to death, and sends their remaining limbs into another dimension, while playing Pokemon and drinking ice tea, in a mini van.

[blueshiftoverwatch]

Suppose that's also like how it won't clear yer private data on exit automatically like FF, right?
Clearing your private data on exit is a step in the right direction, but still not secure enough for my tastes. Everything you do is saved to your HD cache, which even if the files are deleted is still recoverable. With private browsing it's saved to your RAM where after your computer has been off for an hour is unrecoverable.

Change your chromium launcher in the menu to
Cool, if I ever switch to Chromium over Firefox I'll use that command.

[Uncle Spellbinder]

Internet Explorer blazes them to death, and sends their remaining limbs into another dimension, while playing Pokemon and drinking ice tea, in a mini van.

I can only hope that was a joke.

[Tipped OuT]

I can only hope that was a joke.

If you can't tell that that was a joke, then you're lost my friend. Nothing we could do for you now. :P

[lisati]

Internet Explorer blazes them to death, and sends their remaining limbs into another dimension, while playing Pokemon and drinking ice tea, in a mini van.
:)

One of my machines has IE4 on it.....

It's still there!

[Uncle Spellbinder]

If you can't tell that that was a joke, then you're lost my friend. Nothing we could do for you now. :P

Did I really need to put a :p after my comment?

;)

[Dullstar]

Please don't make this a flame-war. Now it's got to at least be a candle war ;).

Maybe this sort of discussion here would be better suited to a "What's your favourite web browser?" discussion.

[Tipped OuT]

Please don't make this a flame-war. Now it's got to at least be a candle war ;).

Maybe this sort of discussion here would be better suited to a "What's your favourite web browser?" discussion.

Maybe. I personally like Firefox for it's plug-ins and Chrome for it's speed.

Anyways, just sayin'.

[HappinessNow]

I just installed Chromium minutes ago.

I tried opening up the same website in both Firefox and Chromium and Chromium is slightly faster.

Also, the options section doesn't seem as comprehensive as Firefox and theirs no private browsing mode so that web data isn't saved to my hard drive.

Neat to try out but I think I'm going back to Firefox. Not to mention the lack of extensions.

http://www.chromeextensions.org/

[imol]

There are a couple of problems I have with Chrome/Chromium that keeps me from using it as my default browser and keep me with Firefox:

On my work machine, we use a project management tool that works well with either IE (ugh) or Firefox, but does not work well with Chrome. It almost works with Chrome, but not quite.

My biggest gripe with Chrome, though, is that there's no option to zoom 'text only' like there is in Firefox. The lack of this feature makes it a non-starter for me (as it does for any browser that lacks this feature). Speed is nice, but functionality is essential.

IMoL

[t0p]

#add-apt-repository ppa:chromium
#apt-get update
#apt-get install chromium


root@deimos:~# add-apt-repository ppa:chromium
bash: add-apt-repository: command not found:confused:

EDIT: Never mind, I followed the instructions here (http://www.ubuntugeek.com/install-chromium-google-chrome-web-browser-in-ubuntu.html).

Now to see what all the bloody fuss is about...

[FranzMuse]

w00t. Def stick with Chromium, Firefox seems to get exponentially slower as time passes.

[speedwell68]

w00t. Def stick with Chromium, Firefox seems to get exponentially slower as time passes.

Seems too, or does? Can you provide any data to backup that up?

[t0p]

Okay, so I started testing Chromium just a short while ago, and already I have a major gripe!

I clicked to browse the extensions gallery... and was taken to a Google account login page! This is outrageous! Why should Google get to know what extensions I use?!!

I'm sure I read somewhere that Chromium isn't a Google project: so why are extensions managed by them?

First black mark against Chromium. On thin ice already.

[madnessjack]

I used FF a bit on Karmic the other day for web dev. Flash crashed it, it kept freezing on Firebug and it was freaking slow. I love FF 3.5 on XP (i use it for work) but for some reason it ain't working too good on Karmic.

Not too bothered. If i'm browsing I use Chrome anyway :P

[forrestcupp]

Sorry, IE8 wins.

Who cares about Acid tests and speed when web sites are written for IE and don't look right or even work at all in other browsers.

[t0p]

Sorry, IE8 wins.

Who cares about Acid tests and speed when web sites are written for IE and don't look right or even work at all in other browsers.

If you think that IE is the standard to which all other browsers should adhere, then you're right.

If, however, you are at all like the many sensible people who are trying to create a platform-agnostic standard for the web, you'll realize that your comment is utterly without merit. Microsoft doesn't get to choose the internet industry's standards. The internet industry as a whole makes those kind of decisions.

[ElSlunko]

I try to use chromium as much as possible but every now and then flash won't play too nice so I'll have to switch to FF for those sites.

[speedwell68]

I try to use chromium as much as possible but every now and then flash won't play too nice so I'll have to switch to FF for those sites.

I don't get the logic of swapping from one browser to another. Surely the fact is that Chromium does not work for you and it would be more productive to use Firefox or another browser until such time as the issues you are having with Chromium are fixed.

[slumbergod]

Gee, I had Chrome installed for a whole 5 minutes before I decided it needed removing. It's just too simple for a power user. Plus Google are just too slack in supporting Linux as a platform.

[ElSlunko]

I don't get the logic of swapping from one browser to another. Surely the fact is that Chromium does not work for you and it would be more productive to use Firefox or another browser until such time as the issues you are having with Chromium are fixed.

I prefer the way it works (especially extensions) so 80% of the time I'm surfing the net in the method I prefer. So when something crashes I just copy + paste the address into FF for the time I need that particular application. It's just random, sometimes it works with bejeweled on facebook, sometimes it doesn't. *shrug*

[rich97]

Sorry, IE8 wins.

Who cares about Acid tests and speed when web sites are written for IE and don't look right or even work at all in other browsers.

I think this is a joke, I _hope_ this is a joke.

Just in case it's not. Not sane web developer who is even half decent at their job would code for IE of any version first. It's an amateur mistake.

[forrestcupp]

I think this is a joke, I _hope_ this is a joke.

Just in case it's not. Not sane web developer who is even half decent at their job would code for IE of any version first. It's an amateur mistake.

It was a half joke. I use Firefox. Unfortunately, it is true that there are important web sites that don't work unless you use IE. Fortunately, though, most of those web sites only apply to people using Windows.

[t0p]

Something odd I've found with Chromium and this site: if I want to edita post, I find that the Edit window won't load: I have to right-click the Edit link and select to open it in a new tab.

Never had this problem with Firefox. Anyone else notice this? What could be the reason?

[toupeiro]

Something odd I've found with Chromium and this site: if I want to edita post, I find that the Edit window won't load: I have to right-click the Edit link and select to open it in a new tab.

Never had this problem with Firefox. Anyone else notice this? What could be the reason?

I notice I just have to click it twice, I've been trying to pinpoint it. It looks like its trying to fork a PID on the first click and doesn't, but it happens so quick that I can't confirm it for sure. A good reason not to fork PID's in applications you write would be, if you don't know how to do it properly. :P

The general reason applications fork like this is if they were originally coded as single-threaded applications and re-writing the whole thing to take advantage of multiple threads would be way too much of an undertaking or way too problematic. Forking off PID's allows other processor cores to work with the application, but it appears chromium is a multi-thread capable application, that forks.. That means that if something goes horribly bad with chromium, it can hog the crap out of your CPU cycles. There are probably still some bugs in the way they are doing this thats causing this to happen. That's a very rough guess.

I had to click edit twice to edit this entry using the latest daily build of chromium. +1 firefox.

[aladinonl]

Have u tried Opera? The latest version is awesome.

One hiccup i got so far: incompatible with gmail.
And 1 long-prayed feature still haven't get attented to: view, edit, import, export logins.

But it's still awesome. The opera unite has huge potential, possible to replace the whole desktop. And the plan for opera widget is amazing, further boosting the possibility of wholly opera desktop.

Just about the time people think there is nothing else to invent, opera keeps inventing. It's truly the innovative poineer in web browser field.

[ElSlunko]

Have u tried Opera? The latest version is awesome.

One hiccup i got so far: incompatible with gmail.
And 1 long-prayed feature still haven't get attented to: view, edit, import, export logins.

But it's still awesome. The opera unite has huge potential, possible to replace the whole desktop. And the plan for opera widget is amazing, further boosting the possibility of wholly opera desktop.

Just about the time people think there is nothing else to invent, opera keeps inventing. It's truly the innovative poineer in web browser field.

I'm trying opera right now and it's pretty impressive! Might even look better in KDE. If xmarks ends up supporting it I'll have to give it a good try. Seems stable and flash works as good as in FF (if not better).

As far as the opera unite goes, there have been plugins in FF for a while that do a lot of what Unite does. However, unite has a better design than a cobble of various plugins.

[HomoGleek]

I have too agree, I use Opera for Web browsing, Email, IRC, and Bit-torrent. Its super! :)

[kio_http]

What's the point of this thread?

And why do you need to uninstall firefox even if you use chrome?

[tdrusk]

I don't get the logic of swapping from one browser to another. Surely the fact is that Chromium does not work for you and it would be more productive to use Firefox or another browser until such time as the issues you are having with Chromium are fixed.
Tell that to half the Linux users on new hardware.

[HappinessNow]

I have too agree, I use Opera for Web browsing, Email, IRC, and Bit-torrent. Its super! :)Opera is very nice used it for years but just never used it as a default web browser.

[alienclone]

so far im sorta liking Chrome, still trying to find the setting to make it automagically switch to the new tab when one is opened.

i love the simplistic design, (all the technical crap means nothing to me) it is comparable to FireFox on my machine as far as speed.

*i dont want google to know what i do online*(<--imagine whiny voice)
analytics (sounds like a disease of the butthole) does not hurt anything, focused ads are good, i like being shown ads that i actually find useful.

but for now, FF still works flawlessly on my machine so i will stay with it and watch Chromium's progress and see how bloated it gets, cuz you know Google will fill it up with hot air to make it match their inflated ego.

[vexorian]

Opera is worthless and has always been. Chromium made it much less relevant.

Chromium is ok, but honestly I prefer funcitonality over 2 less miliseconds of web page loading time. I can't make chromium use bigger fonts instead of the ones specified by the site. I also use a lot of firefox plugins like noscript, stylish, greasemonkey and downloadhelper. The interface is also incredibly messed up, I pass.

[madnessjack]

The interface is also incredibly messed up, I pass.

What? It's one of the best i've seen. Minimalism ftw.

[forrestcupp]

What's the point of this thread?

And why do you need to uninstall firefox even if you use chrome?

Because the standard 300GB hard drive isn't enough and we need to free up a couple of megs. ;)

[AldenIsZen]

If you think that IE is the standard to which all other browsers should adhere, then you're right.

If, however, you are at all like the many sensible people who are trying to create a platform-agnostic standard for the web, you'll realize that your comment is utterly without merit. Microsoft doesn't get to choose the internet industry's standards. The internet industry as a whole makes those kind of decisions.

You just gave me an idea. Someone should write an extension that detects IE "only" web pages and then asks the user if they want to be informed and not go there again by redirecting them to another page of their choosing or something. Then add it to a blacklist for good, and here is the kicker, lookup the whois email address and automatically let them know they will no longer be going to their website until they use industry standards.

Or is that too much? [-X

[speedwell68]

Today I have started playing with SRWare Iron rather than Chrome or Chromium. It will work well for testing webpages. I have started playing extensions for it, but it still dooesn't stack up to the functionality of Firefox and it isn't as fast as Swiftfox.

[HappinessNow]

You just gave me an idea. Someone should write an extension that detects IE "only" web pages and then asks the user if they want to be informed and not go there again by redirecting them to another page of their choosing or something. Then add it to a blacklist for good, and here is the kicker, lookup the whois email address and automatically let them know they will no longer be going to their website until they use industry standards.

Or is that too much? [-Xlike IETab?

https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/1419

[AldenIsZen]

No, I.E. Tab tries to render a bit in I.E. and allow updating from Microsoft.com, etc. I mean actually help users choose NOT to go to those web pages, to make a statement. And to further that, email a statement to web masters...

What is so great about Swiftfox, other than it is fast? Do you sacrifice some functionality? If not, why isn't it the default in Ubuntu?

[HappinessNow]

No, I.E. Tab tries to render a bit in I.E. and allow updating from Microsoft.com, etc. I mean actually help users choose NOT to go to those web pages, to make a statement. And to further that, email a statement to web masters...

What is so great about Swiftfox, other than it is fast? Do you sacrifice some functionality? If not, why isn't it the default in Ubuntu?
I don't know, I have honestly never used Swiftfox.

[aladinonl]

No, I.E. Tab tries to render a bit in I.E. and allow updating from Microsoft.com, etc. I mean actually help users choose NOT to go to those web pages, to make a statement. And to further that, email a statement to web masters...

What is so great about Swiftfox, other than it is fast? Do you sacrifice some functionality? If not, why isn't it the default in Ubuntu?

?? Swiftfox is exactly Firefox!! just better. What functionality u talking about? I doubt u even dont know what it is, let alone try it. It is faster and more responsive than FF.

By the way, the best and easiest solution for a browser is use seamonkey universial package. all the settings, bookmarks, logins, everything is there, inside the package. no need to back up & restore. When u migrate to another distro or reinstall, just reuse that same package.

[Vadi]

I just uninstalled Firefox from my computer!...I found ever since I made Google Chrome/Chromium my default web browser I no longer need the behemoth of a snail known as Firefox.

This day November 22, 2009 I have been liberated and am officially Firefox free!

:popcorn:

Did that like two months ago.

[longtom]

Still have my FF for a second option or if I need a second browser.

Otherwise Opera fits my needs perfectly ad is me default browser in any OS.

[papangul]

Otherwise Opera fits my needs perfectly ad is me default browser in any OS.
..and on any cellphone.

[suresnjain]

gone thro'' all this firefox versus chromium,but no one mentioned peacekeeper's test for speed.would U post results thereof.o.k.

[aladinonl]

gone thro'' all this firefox versus chromium,but no one mentioned peacekeeper's test for speed.would U post results thereof.o.k.

all the speed test, acid test is useless, imo. functionalities are more important, who cares difference in million seconds. opera pass all acid test, still some websites still refuse to work with it so what's the point?

but webkit is the fastest granted.

[speedwell68]

Ok, I have been playing with a Chromium based browser for about a day now, namely SRWare Iron. Yes it is very quick, it seems to be as quick as Swiftfox. But as I have already said speed is not all in a web browser. My main problem is the lack of a decent ad blocker. I have tried the AdBlock + extension and it is not a patch on AdBlock + in Firefox. I have tried AntiAds and Adsweep and again they are nowhere near as good as Adblock + in Firefox. I was not really wanting to modify my Hosts file as I like the ability to switch ad blocking on and off at a whim. So is there a truly effective adblocker available for a Chromium based browser?

[HappinessNow]

Did that like two months ago.What can I say I am a bit behind times :p

[uptheirons1]

AdSweep and AntiAds alone are not very good alone (they only block about 50% of ads), but I installed both of them at the same time and they are pretty much blocking everything.

EDIT: I just found out the AdSweep keeps auto updating to version 2.0.1, which doesn't work. I am going to post a fixed version of AdSweep 2.0.1 shortly.