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kholdstare
November 14th, 2009, 11:46 PM
I have lost all hope in radio music. Not the music on the internet, for there are many great choices there, or in the streets and bars of my area, just radio, if you reply, dont say "ohh just look on internet theres many" because i know, or dont say go out and look, because i do the area in which i live has many talented musicians.i want you to list you favorite bands that dont suck that you wish were on radios insted of pop rap and hip-hop.

Rush,Led Zeppelin,Pink Floyd,The Who, Jethro Tull,Primus,Iron Maiden,Jeferson Airplane,The Jimmi Hendrix Experience,Nirvana,Detente,Aerosmith,The cult,Pearl Jam,Foo Fighters,Alice in Chains. and many more like this but this should give you a general idea in the music i think should be listened to on the radio more.

Ubu2009
November 14th, 2009, 11:56 PM
oh the good old day of Rock N Roll will never be forgotten. Music of today is the reason I do not listen to Radio manifactured music. iPod full of real Music classic Rockers :D

The Funkbomb
November 14th, 2009, 11:57 PM
You just lost hope now? I lost hope in 1995.

RaZe42
November 14th, 2009, 11:59 PM
Sorry, but I disagree.
Most of what you listed is just boring, oversimplified music with no real "weight" behind it

[IMO]

Zoot7
November 14th, 2009, 11:59 PM
My main gripe against music now is the business that's attached to it.

Chronon
November 15th, 2009, 12:12 AM
A sampling from different genres

Clutch, Ben Harper, Tool, Thievery Corporation, Massive Attack, Younger Brother, Shpongle, System of a Down, The Greyboy Allstars, The Dillinger Escape Plan, Floater, Fantomas.

NoaHall
November 15th, 2009, 12:13 AM
I don't want the masses to listen to my music.

Chronon
November 15th, 2009, 12:18 AM
I don't want the masses to listen to my music.

Really? That does not factor in at all to my metric for what constitutes good music.

Naiki Muliaina
November 15th, 2009, 12:18 AM
MGMT, Elbow, Athlete, Duffy, Muse, Green Day, Temper Trap, White Lies, Kasabian, Killers, Kaiser Chiefs, Empire of the Sun, Florence and the Machine, Prodigy (still goin!), Blur (them too!) Oasis (no wait... Scratch Oasis...), Kings of Leon, Take That (pains me to say it, but the new stuff is 'good' music), Arctic Monkeys....


Theres some frickin awesome new music out there! Todays music utterly rawks >.<

Absolute radio is wins for good music btw.

Edited to add Snow Patrol (how the hell can i forget them?!!??)

the8thstar
November 15th, 2009, 12:22 AM
I don't listen to music. Music sucks.












Only kidding!

NoaHall
November 15th, 2009, 12:38 AM
Really? That does not factor in at all to my metric for what constitutes good music.

It has nothing to do with good music, I'll listen to it regardless, I just don't want anyone to talk to me about it. I have much more important things to talk about than personal preference of the formations of sound waves.

Chronon
November 15th, 2009, 12:39 AM
It has nothing to do with good music, I'll listen to it regardless, I just don't want anyone to talk to me about it.

Then I guess you should leave.

:p

blueshiftoverwatch
November 15th, 2009, 12:44 AM
There is a ton of "non-mainstream" music being made today, just because you don't like the kind of stuff you see on MTV (do they even play music anymore?) or hear on the radio doesn't mean it's not being produced. You just have to know where to look. A good place to start is to look up independent record labels on Wikipedia.

handy
November 15th, 2009, 12:44 AM
It's all a matter of taste.

For me it basically went bad when Johnny Rotten hit the scene in 1976.

There has been & will still be good music made.

As far as I'm concerned the popular stuff has been sucking for over 30 years...

The Funkbomb
November 15th, 2009, 12:49 AM
Yes, the pop music scene has destroyed music. Everything is pop now. The music industry pumps out this garbage, pushes it to every radio station and music network.

It's usually some vapid piece of jailbait spewing out trite lyrics of problems she'll never deal with or some tough looking guy being all sensitive. Awesome stuff. If they even play instruments, it's usually terrible.

Image sells. That's what it boils down to and that's why music is dead and has been for quite some time. I can't think of one act in the past 10 years that has made me feel anything other than hatred.

Naiki Muliaina
November 15th, 2009, 12:57 AM
K.. Srsly... Some of todays music is fantastic! Commercial trash has infested the charts for years, but it doesnt mean all music has been wretched. You just gotta listen for the right stuff...

cmay
November 15th, 2009, 01:19 AM
I found a great place for music that is not mainstream. Jamendo . I have a single album uploaded there but I found great music that others made in all genres. personally I dont listen to radio or music on television . I listen to youtube videos sometimes but other than that I find my music on the library or I just buy some second hand cd.

jomiolto
November 15th, 2009, 01:25 AM
As several others have already said: pop music is only the tip of the iceberg and the stuff you hear on radio is just a tiny fraction of all the music that is composed. The problem is finding the good stuff underneath all the "goo" :)

It routinely surprises me that anyone would listen to pop music, but I guess I'm just weird. Music videos are worst -- I fail to see why anyone would want to watch them (with very few exceptions)...

StarLab
November 15th, 2009, 01:27 AM
A sampling from different genres

...Shpongle...

Whoa! First mention of this band I've heard from anyone. Thought I was a lonely fan. Great stuff!


As you can tell by my sig, i have lost all hope in music.i want you to list you favorite bands that dont suck that you wish were on radios insted of pop rap and hip-hop.

Rush,Led Zeplin,Pink Floyd,The Who, Jethro Tull,Primus,Iron Maiden,Jeferson Airplane,The Jimmi Hendrix Experience,Nirvana,Detente,Aerosmith,The cult,Pearl Jam,Foo Fighters,Alice in Chains. and many more like this but this should give you a general idea in the music i think should be listened to more.

Check out the Progressive Metal and Symphonic Metal genres. Plenty of similar artists to what you have listed above. Online services such as last.fm are great for sampling new music.

It's not so much these type of bands are gone, they've just evolved a bit. :)

EDIT: Think I misread your post. The above is still valid advice. My fav bands: http://www.last.fm/user/LarryMonte

kholdstare
November 15th, 2009, 01:29 AM
You just lost hope now? I lost hope in 1995.
little hard to lose hope in something the year you are born.

hoppipolla
November 15th, 2009, 01:31 AM
*throws out his entire music collection...* xD

I dunno man I think what you're saying simply HAS to be 100% subjective, I actually believe that a lot of today's music is excellent, but you have to pick and choose, as you do in any decade. There will always be good artists and bands, and there will always be bad ones.

The only difference i can see these days is the amount of "fake" and manufactured music that there is, but that's just part of capitalism it's not going to go away any time soon and I don't care much because I don't listen to it anyway...

jomiolto
November 15th, 2009, 01:37 AM
...

I think your username is very relevant to this discussion ;)

(It's not my favourite song from them, but I do like Sigur Rós.)

Zoot7
November 15th, 2009, 01:38 AM
I've got to agree. Music these days just ain't what it used to be, as a seasoned musician myself I think it's kind of sad really.

hoppipolla
November 15th, 2009, 01:41 AM
I've got to agree. Music these days just ain't what it used to be, as a seasoned musician myself I think it's kind of sad really.

I dunno I reckon that music today does a great job of fusing together and developing on genres of the past!

and thanks jomiolto, I'd be impressed if someone could argue that Sigur Ros and Radiohead (as examples) aren't good bands! :)

jrusso2
November 15th, 2009, 01:42 AM
I was lucky to have grown up in the 60's, 70, 80's. The golden age of music. Rock, Punk Rock. Folk, great jazz, Reggae.

I have not purchased any music since the late 80's and wish we could get some talent back in music and film like we used to have before the big corporations controlled it.

TheNessus
November 15th, 2009, 01:47 AM
So stick to older music.


Oh crap, I'm sounding like my dad.

Oh well, I guess I should get married and have children now.

Chronon
November 15th, 2009, 01:50 AM
Whoa! First mention of this band I've heard from anyone. Thought I was a lonely fan. Great stuff!


Awesome! Yeah, I have seen them/him twice now. I would really like to see the full stage show sometime. It's some of my favorite music. Younger Brother is another project with the one of the DJs from Shpongle -- a bit more low-key, but pretty groovy in my book.



Check out the Progressive Metal and Symphonic Metal genres. Plenty of similar artists to what you have listed above. Online services such as last.fm are great for sampling new music.

It's not so much these type of bands are gone, they've just evolved a bit. :)

EDIT: Think I misread your post. The above is still valid advice. My fav bands: http://www.last.fm/user/LarryMonte

Cool. I'm playing your library for a bit.

Chronon
November 15th, 2009, 01:53 AM
I've got to agree. Music these days just ain't what it used to be, as a seasoned musician myself I think it's kind of sad really.

Dude. It's a bit ridiculous to claim that "music these days just ain't what it used to be". Go out and see some live music. There are amazing musicians all over the place making great music. If you don't like pop then don't listen to the radio.

Eisenwinter
November 15th, 2009, 01:54 AM
Sorry, but I disagree.
Most of what you listed is just boring, oversimplified music with no real "weight" behind it

[IMO]
And extremely overrated as well.

Zoot7
November 15th, 2009, 01:56 AM
Dude. It's a bit ridiculous to claim that "music these days just ain't what it used to be". Go out and see some live music. There are amazing musicians all over the place making great music. If you don't like pop then don't listen to the radio.
Oh believe me I don't listen to the radio at all.

IMO there's just too many artists out there that sound pretty much the same these days. Originality seems to have taken a back seat somewhat.

StarLab
November 15th, 2009, 01:56 AM
Cool. I'm playing your library for a bit.

Careful... my tastes have sent others running in fear. ;)

hoppipolla
November 15th, 2009, 01:59 AM
we should all share last.fms!

Here is mine! :)

http://www.last.fm/user/darksmiley_ver2 !

Chronon
November 15th, 2009, 02:05 AM
Oh believe me I don't listen to the radio at all.

IMO there's just too many artists out there that sound pretty much the same these days. Originality seems to have taken a back seat somewhat.

How do you select the artists you listen to?

Chronon
November 15th, 2009, 02:05 AM
Careful... my tastes have sent others running in fear. ;)

I had to skip a couple. . . ;)

Exodist
November 15th, 2009, 02:09 AM
You just lost hope now? I lost hope in 1995.
+1


Few artist still catch my ear.

Rammstein is also GREAT. Check them out..

seeker5528
November 15th, 2009, 02:18 AM
Mostly I listen to a classic rock station so some of the following might be on the radio somewhere, but for some of them even if they were it wouldn't be a radio station I would listen to.

Apparently the forum sensors did not like this first one so to get there you will have to copy and paste the address, then remove the space from it.

http://www.last.fm/music/The+Bas tard+Fairies

The rest of these should work.......

Daniel Bautista (http://www.last.fm/music/Daniel+Bautista)
Popa Chubby (http://www.last.fm/music/Popa+Chubby)
Machinae Supremacy (http://www.last.fm/music/Machinae+Supremacy)
Rodrigo y Gabriela (http://www.last.fm/music/Rodrigo+y+Gabriela)
Michael Fix (http://www.last.fm/music/Michael+Fix)
Mike Dougherty (http://www.last.fm/music/mike+dougherty)
Prestorika (http://www.last.fm/music/Prestorika)
Дом Кукол (http://www.last.fm/music/%D0%94%D0%BE%D0%BC+%D0%9A%D1%83%D0%BA%D0%BE%D0%BB)
Tarja (http://www.last.fm/music/Tarja)
JT Bruce (http://www.last.fm/music/JT+Bruce)
Anorimoi (http://www.last.fm/music/Anorimoi)
Almah (http://www.last.fm/music/Almah)
Sonata Arctica (http://www.last.fm/music/Sonata+Arctica)
Ilan Ashkenazi (http://www.last.fm/music/Ilan+Ashkenazi)
СПОРno (http://www.last.fm/music/%D0%A1%D0%9F%D0%9E%D0%A0no)
Immortal Choir (http://www.last.fm/music/Immortal+Choir)
Ciruelo Cilíndrico (http://www.last.fm/music/Ciruelo+Cil%C3%ADndrico)
Doug the Eagle (http://www.last.fm/music/DOUG+the+Eagle)
Analog Missionary (http://www.last.fm/music/Analog+Missionary)
Neko Case (http://www.last.fm/music/Neko+Case)
Kinematic (http://www.last.fm/music/Kinematic)
Blanche (http://www.last.fm/music/Blanche)
post50UND (http://www.last.fm/music/post50UND)
The Kleptones (http://www.last.fm/music/The+Kleptones)
Sensor (http://www.last.fm/music/Sensor/Naked+2008)
Катя Чехова (http://www.last.fm/music/%D0%9A%D0%B0%D1%82%D1%8F+%D0%A7%D0%B5%D1%85%D0%BE% D0%B2%D0%B0)
Возвращение (http://www.last.fm/music/%D0%92%D0%BE%D0%B7%D0%B2%D1%80%D0%B0%D1%89%D0%B5%D 0%BD%D0%B8%D0%B5)
Miho Hatori (http://www.last.fm/music/Miho+Hatori)
Xenia Akeynikova (http://www.last.fm/music/Xenia+Akeynikova)
Insula Dulcamara (http://www.last.fm/music/Insula+Dulcamara)

Later, Seeker

Zoot7
November 15th, 2009, 02:19 AM
How do you select the artists you listen to?
Generally ones that stand out from the crowd so to speak. For example If I'm listening to rock it's generally guitarists that have a very unique style of playing that catches my ear, hence why I used to like Van Halen so much.
Another band I admire a lot are Muse. I'm not mad on a lot of their stuff mind you, But they do have a very unique sound compared to a lot of other artists.
Of course it's all a matter of opinion really. I have been told I'm pretty fussy when it comes to musical taste, and well... I can't argue there. :)

toupeiro
November 15th, 2009, 02:36 AM
This is such a horrid generalisation. What you hear on Billboard's top 40 is nowhere near the all encompassing summarization of todays music.

jomiolto
November 15th, 2009, 02:40 AM
http://www.last.fm/user/LarryMonte

Wow, lots of cool stuff on your library (I don't think I saw any Silentium (http://www.silentivm.com/) there, though? :) )

I just discovered Ayreon a few days ago and I didn't think I'd ever stumble into anyone else who listens to it. And what, only 64 plays for Mortal Love? All the Beauty is kind of cheesy, but it's still one of my favourite albums. :P

Joe Ker1086
November 15th, 2009, 02:44 AM
I miss the 90s alternative.....

kholdstare
November 15th, 2009, 02:52 AM
This is such a horrid generalisation. What you hear on Billboard's top 40 is nowhere near the all encompassing summarization of todays music.
im talking about music on the radio, great bands still come out with great music, but on all the radio except for one in my area (105.9 the mountain) is pretty much billboard top 40 and the top 10 and 20 and 30 and on and on.and to who ever said about live music i see plenty of it and its almost all good, even hobos on the street are good at times, but im talking about radio, and "popular" music.

wulfgang
November 15th, 2009, 03:23 AM
I stay away from mainstream music. There is nothing but crap on the radio. I primarily listen to Metalcore.

blueshiftoverwatch
November 15th, 2009, 08:07 PM
I primarily listen to Metalcore.
In This Moment (http://www.myspace.com/inthismoment) and The Agonist (http://www.myspace.com/theagonist) are two good bands. Of course that statement is 100% subjective.

starcannon
November 15th, 2009, 08:12 PM
As you can tell by my sig, i have lost all hope in music.i want you to list you favorite bands that dont suck that you wish were on radios insted of pop rap and hip-hop.

Rush,Led Zeplin,Pink Floyd,The Who, Jethro Tull,Primus,Iron Maiden,Jeferson Airplane,The Jimmi Hendrix Experience,Nirvana,Detente,Aerosmith,The cult,Pearl Jam,Foo Fighters,Alice in Chains. and many more like this but this should give you a general idea in the music i think should be listened to more.
I listen to all those bands myself.

Pink Floyd, Rush, and Led Zeplin probably top my list of favorite bands.

I listen to classic rock stations, so I get my fix when listening to traditional radio. I listen to classic rock stations a lot on my computer as well. I have everything rolling through a Vintage Marantz 2270 Tuner/Amp and Vintage Sansui Speakers.

SuperSonic4
November 15th, 2009, 08:16 PM
As you can tell by my sig, i have lost all hope in music.i want you to list you favorite bands that dont suck that you wish were on radios insted of pop rap and hip-hop.

Rush,Led Zeplin,Pink Floyd,The Who, Jethro Tull,Primus,Iron Maiden,Jeferson Airplane,The Jimmi Hendrix Experience,Nirvana,Detente,Aerosmith,The cult,Pearl Jam,Foo Fighters,Alice in Chains. and many more like this but this should give you a general idea in the music i think should be listened to more.

No Judas Priest? :p. But have to agree with you - it's manufactured ***** nowadays. I long gave up on the charts. Still it's not all bad news - Maiden have an album due next year. Slayer and Megadeth are still going strong.

Pre-Resistance Muse are pretty good too as are Rammstein and power/symphonic metal bands like Sonata Arctica and Stratovarious (which I can never spell)


EDIT: Think I misread your post. The above is still valid advice. My fav bands: http://www.last.fm/user/LarryMonte

Yay, Sonata Arctica! (the next band I'll be seeing live)

RiceMonster
November 15th, 2009, 08:20 PM
I find classic rock, that so many people consider to be "the golden age of music", to be vastly overrated. I like a few acts like Pink Floyd, the Doors, Black Sabbath and Rush, but other than that, I think it's over-hyped. Plus, music on the radio is generally bad anyway. The only reason people think music died 30 years ago is because they've only heard the stuff on MTV. Even still, there's been a few good maintsream acts recently then like Metric, Death From Above 1979 and MGMT

You can see what I listen to on my last.fm (http://www.last.fm/user/RiceMonster)


I primarily listen to Metalcore.

That's unfortunate.

lisati
November 15th, 2009, 08:25 PM
Originality seems to have taken a back seat somewhat.

Good point. I remember listening to the radio a few years back (late 80s, or was it early 90s?), and the show's host was comparing Rick James' "Super Freak" and M C Hammer's "U can't touch this", and noted a striking similarity between the backing tracks. A more recent example of using other artits' material is Madonna's "Hung up", which uses a riff from Abba's "Gimme gimme gimme". There are probably more examples out there but I hardly ever listen to the radio these days.

One of my main gripes these days what appears to be a near total absence of melody on some genres.

Stan_1936
November 15th, 2009, 08:27 PM
You just lost hope now? I lost hope in 1995.

Haha!

I never had hope!

Sports FTW!

chucky chuckaluck
November 15th, 2009, 08:37 PM
"go play in your own yard, ya damn kids!"
http://lawyerist.com/lawyerist/wp-content/uploads/2009/09/Angry-Old-Man.jpg

hoppipolla
November 15th, 2009, 08:47 PM
ok!

I'm gonna link you to some songs I have loved from the past few years, and you can explain to me why they've sucked! xD

This should be fun lol

What You Want by The Starting Line (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MBsS6JyWHVU) (if you don't love that guitar you have no soul! xD)

Hoppipolla by Sigur Ros (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4L_DQKCDgeM)

15 Step by Radiohead (http://www.last.fm/music/Radiohead/_/15+Step?autostart) (Dear GOD O.O)

2 + 2 = 5 (The Lukewarm) by Radiohead! (http://www.last.fm/music/Radiohead/_/2%2B%252B%2B2%2B%253D%2B5?autostart)

Light Up the Sky by Yellowcard
(http://www.last.fm/music/Yellowcard/_/Light+Up+The+Sky?autostart)
1 Trillion Dollar$ by Anti-Flag
(http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Afwzu8JT7TE)
Ignite by Zebrahead
(http://www.last.fm/music/Zebrahead/_/Ignite?autostart)

Come back to me when you apologize!! :D

By the way I know a bunch of these are punk and pop punk and not to everyone's tastes but... hey I can't help what I like!

Peace! ^_^

Zoot7
November 15th, 2009, 08:50 PM
One of my main gripes these days what appears to be a near total absence of melody on some genres.
Agreed. TBH Melody is what makes a piece for me.


By the way I know a bunch of these are punk and pop punk and not to everyone's tastes but... hey I can't help what I like!

Peace! ^_^
Don't get me started on punk or punk rock lol. :tongue:

RiceMonster
November 15th, 2009, 08:52 PM
Hoppipolla by Sigur Ros (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4L_DQKCDgeM)

That's a good song, but I prefer some of their other songs like Olsen Olsen, Popplagið, E-Bow, Glósóli, and Heysátan. Just my opinion, though. Regardless though, I think Sigur Rós is enough proof on their own that there's still good music out there. :)

ElSlunko
November 15th, 2009, 08:54 PM
I'm still waiting for Mark Whalberg to return to his musical roots.

hoppipolla
November 15th, 2009, 08:58 PM
That's a good song, but I prefer some of their other songs like Olsen Olsen, Popplagið, E-Bow, Glósóli, and Heysátan. Just my opinion, though. Regardless though, I think Sigur Rós is enough proof on their own that there's still good music out there. :)

I used to be nuts about Sigur Ros, actually the only album I haven't listened to fully is their new one, my music taste has gone... about 90% back to punk! hehe :)


Agreed. TBH Melody is what makes a piece for me.

I don't care about melody but... music needs passion! hehe

Or I love some experimental stuff like Radiohead...

Joke is here we have the problem. Everyone has different criteria that they demand from their music, and that is why it is 100% subjective what "good" music is :)

wilee-nilee
November 15th, 2009, 08:59 PM
Sorry, but I disagree.
Most of what you listed is just boring, oversimplified music with no real "weight" behind it

[IMO]

It is all art some is just better then others in the ears of the listener. A very limited list though of a particular and sub genre.

Tipped OuT
November 15th, 2009, 09:01 PM
Hip-Hop Honor List

Immortal Technique
Nas
Tupac
Royce Da 5'9'
Living Legends
Lupe Fiasco
Diabolic
Method Man
Red Man
Ghostface Killah
Big L
Common
Wu Tang Clan
CNN
Rakim
The Cool Kids
Eazy-E
Ice Cube
Dr. Dre
N.W.A.
Snoop Dogg
Ice-T
Prodigy
WC
Xzibit

RiceMonster
November 15th, 2009, 09:02 PM
I used to be nuts about Sigur Ros, actually the only album I haven't listened to fully is their new one, my music taste has gone... about 90% back to punk! hehe :)

Don't bother with the new album; it's not very good. I was very disappointed in it. The promo song they released, Gobbledigook, was just odd and sort of annoying, and the rest of the album was very, well, boring and unmemorable. There was only one song I liked, but I forget the name because I haven't listened to the album in ages.


Agreed. TBH Melody is what makes a piece for me.

I used to feel the same, but then I realized I like some really off the wall, and noisy stuff like Melt-Banana and Lightning Bolt. Both those bands are the opposite of melodic. Don't listen if you don't like loud, unorthodox music :).

Tipped OuT
November 15th, 2009, 09:03 PM
Don't bother with the new album; it's not very good. I was very disappointed in it. The promo song they released, Gobbledigook, was just odd and sort of annoying, and the rest of the album was very, well, boring and unmemorable. There was only song I liked, but I forget the name because I haven't listened to the album in ages.

You got a new avatar!!! :biggrin::biggrin:

hoppipolla
November 15th, 2009, 09:04 PM
Hip-Hop Honor List

Immortal Technique
Nas
Tupac
Royce Da 5'9'
Living Legends
Lupe Fiasco
Diabolic
Method Man
Red Man
Ghostface Killah
Big L
Common
Wu Tang Clan
CNN
Rakim
The Cool Kids
Eazy-E
Ice Cube
Dr. Dre
N.W.A.
Snoop Dogg
Ice-T
Prodigy
WC
Xzibit

yet more proof that this is subjective! lol

hoppipolla
November 15th, 2009, 09:05 PM
Don't bother with the new album; it's not very good. I was very disappointed in it. The promo song they released, Gobbledigook, was just odd and sort of annoying, and the rest of the album was very, well, boring and unmemorable. There was only song I liked, but I forget the name because I haven't listened to the album in ages.

I loved this song to bits though - http://www.last.fm/music/Sigur+Rós/_/Inní+mér+syngur+vitleysingur?autostart

It's just so beautiful :)

RiceMonster
November 15th, 2009, 09:06 PM
You got a new avatar!!! :biggrin::biggrin:

Hehe yeah, I got bored of the other avatar.

Zoot7
November 15th, 2009, 09:08 PM
I don't care about melody but... music needs passion! hehe
Shame! :p
Truth be told the vast majority of the stuff I write and record myself is all heavily melodic, so hence me being of that opinion.


Joke is here we have the problem. Everyone has different criteria that they demand from their music, and that is why it is 100% subjective what "good" music is :)
+1 Well said.

koshatnik
November 15th, 2009, 09:53 PM
As you can tell by my sig, i have lost all hope in music.i want you to list you favorite bands that dont suck that you wish were on radios insted of pop rap and hip-hop.

Commercial radio plays rubbish - always has, always will. Either put up or shut up about it.



Rush,Led Zeplin,Pink Floyd,The Who, Jethro Tull,Primus,Iron Maiden,Jeferson Airplane,The Jimmi Hendrix Experience,Nirvana,Detente,Aerosmith,The cult,Pearl Jam,Foo Fighters,Alice in Chains. and many more like this but this should give you a general idea in the music i think should be listened to more.

You can't live in the past. There is alot of great contemporary music and bands. You just have to make the effort to find it.

I'm 38. When I was a teenager, you could only get access to underground or obscure bands through a limited selection of print media, and mainly through fanzines. You had to travel to London or Manchester to find obscure record shops, and manually go through the racks hunting out bands. If you were lucky, a friend mght have a cool older brother or sister that would play you stuff.

Accessing obscure music nowadays is about a billion times easier and people still whine about it. I can find just about anything I want or would like to listen to, with the search engine on the internet. I can get intouch with other people easily through forums, email shops anywhere in the world, read blogs on bands and artists I might like to explore.

So, instead of listening to a load of crusty old guff like Pink Floyd, why not get off your butt and go look for something less boring instead?

There's plenty of great music out there. You just have to be bothered to find it.

Tipped OuT
November 15th, 2009, 09:59 PM
Commercial radio plays rubbish - always has, always will. Either put up or shut up about it.

Rude much?




You can't live in the past. There is alot of great contemporary music and bands. You just have to make the effort to find it.

I'm 38. When I was a teenager, you could only get access to underground or obscure bands through a limited selection of print media, and mainly through fanzines. You had to travel to London or Manchester to find obscure record shops, and manually go through the racks hunting out bands. If you were lucky, a friend mght have a cool older brother or sister that would play you stuff.

Accessing obscure music nowadays is about a billion times easier and people still whine about it. I can find just about anything I want or would like to listen to, with the search engine on the internet. I can get intouch with other people easily through forums, email shops anywhere in the world, read blogs on bands and artists I might like to explore.

So, instead of listening to a load of crusty old guff like Pink Floyd, why not get off your butt and go look for something less boring instead?

There's plenty of great music out there. You just have to be bothered to find it.

Because there is no good current right now. That's what this whole thread is about, it's all garbage! *In Our Opinions*

You have your opinion, and that's fine and dandy. But don't take your opinion as if it's a fact, and try shoving it down everyone's throats. That may not be your intention, but I'm taking it that way.

boballen55
November 15th, 2009, 10:00 PM
I like most of the stuff in the original post but there is good newer stuff. Just for fun try Nellie McKay.

drawkcab
November 15th, 2009, 10:00 PM
Commercial radio plays rubbish - always has, always will. Either put up or shut up about it.



You can't live in the past. There is alot of great contemporary music and bands. You just have to make the effort to find it.

I'm 38. When I was a teenager, you could only get access to underground or obscure bands through a limited selection of print media, and mainly through fanzines. You had to travel to London or Manchester to find obscure record shops, and manually go through the racks hunting out bands. If you were lucky, a friend mght have a cool older brother or sister that would play you stuff.

Accessing obscure music nowadays is about a billion times easier and people still whine about it. I can find just about anything I want or would like to listen to, with the search engine on the internet. I can get intouch with other people easily through forums, email shops anywhere in the world, read blogs on bands and artists I might like to explore.

So, instead of listening to a load of crusty old guff like Pink Floyd, why not get off your butt and go look for something less boring instead?

There's plenty of great music out there. You just have to be bothered to find it.

Yup. Turning 36 myself and there is some great new music out there. You just have to get off the ubuntu forums and look for it on the internets.

s0l1dsnak3123
November 15th, 2009, 10:19 PM
I wrote an essay about pop music, I thought maybe you guys would enjoy it :)

It is entitled:

"Pop" music: feeding the mindless, cultureless zombie youths of today with a McFlurry of tasteless gristle

sudoer541
November 15th, 2009, 10:39 PM
As you can tell by my sig, i have lost all hope in music.i want you to list you favorite bands that dont suck that you wish were on radios insted of pop rap and hip-hop.

Rush,Led Zeplin,Pink Floyd,The Who, Jethro Tull,Primus,Iron Maiden,Jeferson Airplane,The Jimmi Hendrix Experience,Nirvana,Detente,Aerosmith,The cult,Pearl Jam,Foo Fighters,Alice in Chains. and many more like this but this should give you a general idea in the music i think should be listened to more.

hey check this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ACm9yECwSso) out. you will LOVE IT!!! oh and this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f_2rrxONlLo)too... and OMG! how could I forget this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-hpiwPXkbVc)?
when it comes to music, well thats the standard now.

Tipped OuT
November 15th, 2009, 10:42 PM
hey check this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ACm9yECwSso) out. you will LOVE IT!!! oh and this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f_2rrxONlLo)too... and OMG! how could I forget this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-hpiwPXkbVc)?
when it comes to music, well thats the standard now.

Lady Gaga? Mariah Carey? Oh noez! D:

koshatnik
November 15th, 2009, 10:56 PM
Because there is no good current right now. That's what this whole thread is about, it's all garbage! *In Our Opinions*

You have your opinion, and that's fine and dandy. But don't take your opinion as if it's a fact, and try shoving it down everyone's throats. That may not be your intention, but I'm taking it that way.

Take it how you like.

So much contradiction in your reply, its actually quite funny.

sudoer541
November 15th, 2009, 11:04 PM
Lady Gaga? Mariah Carey? Oh noez! D:


yup! huge fan of gaga carey pitbull BEPs florida, mariana's trench and taylor swift.

gaga oulalah! L0L!

-=hazard=-
November 15th, 2009, 11:07 PM
I think on this days there are a lot of choices for music, so people can find them self on the right kind of music they like. Though older music let's say it's more "original", today we have good music too, it's just a mater what someone likes.

sn0m
November 16th, 2009, 12:09 AM
Well today's music 'doesn't light my fire with some desire'
I have a philips hifi wifi (duly recommend) and I mostly listen to internet radio station that do hits/hard rock stuff from the 80-s, plus classical as well as heavy metal radio.
The rest of pop idol x factor is a sad, sad crap. That's my opinion.
Ta
Sokol

MetalMusicAddict
November 16th, 2009, 12:25 AM
Every generation thinks this same thing. :)

Luckily, we have the internet. There's TONS of music out there you just have to search it out. Look on blogs. See who are friends with your fave bands on MySpace as well as who's touring with them. Indie record label sites. (and a few good music torrent sites don't hurt either. it's made me buy SO much new music over the past few years)

I've been on this edgy blusgrass thing lately. Lemmie pimp my 2 current faves.

The Pine Box Boys (http://www.myspace.com/pineboxboys)
The .357 String Band (http://www.myspace.com/357stringband)


It's out there. Just don't look to radio or MTV (jeeze they don't even play music anymore) to find out about new music. ;)

Zoot7
November 16th, 2009, 12:37 AM
Luckily, we have the internet.
Exactly! As much as the record labels hate that. :)

toupeiro
November 16th, 2009, 01:09 AM
im talking about music on the radio, great bands still come out with great music, but on all the radio except for one in my area (105.9 the mountain) is pretty much billboard top 40 and the top 10 and 20 and 30 and on and on.and to who ever said about live music i see plenty of it and its almost all good, even hobos on the street are good at times, but im talking about radio, and "popular" music.

But even this is subjective to your location...

Quick google search tells me The Mountain serves Asheville, NC. But I am sure the playlist of a radio station in Asheville and say, Los Angeles, Boston, or New York are quite different...

I dont know, I guess I just have a pet peeve about very broad generalisations, especially when it comes to something as diverse as music.

Squonk07
November 16th, 2009, 01:24 AM
Yes, the pop music scene has destroyed music. Everything is pop now. The music industry pumps out this garbage, pushes it to every radio station and music network.

It's usually some vapid piece of jailbait spewing out trite lyrics of problems she'll never deal with or some tough looking guy being all sensitive. Awesome stuff. If they even play instruments, it's usually terrible.

Image sells. That's what it boils down to and that's why music is dead and has been for quite some time. I can't think of one act in the past 10 years that has made me feel anything other than hatred.

Very well said. With a few exceptions here and there, music pretty much died for me around the end of the 1970s, and those exceptions are usually groups that were holdouts from that era. I've been listening to a lot of Pink Floyd lately, and I just have to shake my head at today's music.

You're right. These days it's all about image and business. Maybe it's true (as some have pointed out) that there's some good indie stuff out there, but the thing that really ticks me off is that the great music used to be offered by the major labels. Then MTV happened, and that was that.

kholdstare
November 16th, 2009, 02:16 AM
hey check this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ACm9yECwSso) out. you will LOVE IT!!! oh and this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f_2rrxONlLo)too... and OMG! how could I forget this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-hpiwPXkbVc)?
when it comes to music, well thats the standard now.
oh lord why. WHY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

venator260
November 16th, 2009, 02:20 AM
Luckily, we have the internet. There's TONS of music out there you just have to search it out. Look on blogs. See who are friends with your fave bands on MySpace as well as who's touring with them. Indie record label sites. (and a few good music torrent sites don't hurt either. it's made me buy SO much new music over the past few years)



I agree. This is how I have found tons of the music I listen to. It's how I found Ensiferum when they had yet to get out of Finland and Alestorm (previously Battleheart) when they were still playing bars in Perth (Scotland). Also because of the internet, these two bands have since performed on multiple continents.

The best method that I have found to find bands is to listen to people who like what you do talk about music. The internet and message boards make this 1,000 times easier. I have discovered a few bands through Pandora Internet Radio as well.

Chronon
November 16th, 2009, 02:23 AM
Rude much?



Because there is no good current right now. That's what this whole thread is about, it's all garbage! *In Our Opinions*

You have your opinion, and that's fine and dandy. But don't take your opinion as if it's a fact, and try shoving it down everyone's throats. That may not be your intention, but I'm taking it that way.

There is a fallacy, though, in claiming that "today's music" sucks just because of certain trends in pop.

BuffaloX
November 16th, 2009, 02:25 AM
I dunno, seems I alway mostly hear music that is at least 10 years old, it's always been like that, I'm probably just a bit slow.

Chronon
November 16th, 2009, 02:28 AM
One of my main gripes these days what appears to be a near total absence of melody on some genres.

You could try forms of music that do not use a diatonic scale. Often it does not contain the sorts of harmonic structure that the major scale does and this leads to a focus on melody. Arabic music and some Eastern European music are examples of this. Obviously, Indian music is very rich melodically too.

oldsoundguy
November 16th, 2009, 02:41 AM
Three reasons I retired early from the professional audio business (providing sound for live performances.)
#1 cRAP Musik (?) And their entourage!
#2 kids with attitudes ... ("We've been together for six months, and I hate the world because we don't have a megabux record deal" type.)(the type that know more than someone that has been around for 25+ years.)
#3 overblown and out of hand productions .. productions that really do NOT fit the venue but reflect the EGO of the performers .. not everyone is the Rolling Stones that can assemble an audience of 1/2 million on a Rio beach!
And what ever happened to just set up and PLAY and let the CONTENT send the message?
#... I could add money grubbing managers/agents/accountants/lawyers .. but they have been around since day one.

Now, there are some current players/acts that I would still go see .. so there is that thread of integrity still alive .. not very WELL, but alive.

BrokenKingpin
November 16th, 2009, 02:42 AM
I pretty much only listen to underground metal. I do agree that most of the stuff on the radio these days sucks, which is why I don't listen to it. There is lots of good music out there, you just have to be willing to spend the time to find it.

gn2
November 16th, 2009, 02:53 AM
Fleet Foxes and Richard Hawley are both conclusive proof that there are still good bands and musicians plying their trade out there in musicland.

It's just getting harder and harder to find the diamonds in amongst all the tons of dross.

jocheem67
November 16th, 2009, 02:59 AM
Here's my two cents..

what has been striking me is the fact that the last 20 years there hasn't been a major revolution in popular music.
Hear this:
late 50's: rock & roll
late 60's hippie/psychedelica/sgt pepper's;)
late 70's punk
late 80's acidhouse
late 90's ?????
late 2000's ????

The named genres here certainly reflect a zeitgeist, were highly influential on youth culture and culture in general.
I'm just wondering , where is the next "step"?
Actually , I've been thinking that the mash-up movement might have become quite big, but it still remains a niche.

I'm quite certain that the commercialism of populair music ( note the absence of "pop" here! ) is a major influence, in a bad way as they control the market more than they did in the past. ( Remember how Woodstock was organized? )
The internet and all p2p activities might just be good and bad:
where access is easier and easier nowadays, there might also be some inflation going on here. As one can get as much as he or she wants, what is music really worth then? In that sense, going down to London and search really hard for that one good album, might be more interesting than just fire up nicotine and be bored bout most stuff that you'll actually leech..

Having said all this...there's still and always will be some very good artists around.:D

The Funkbomb
November 16th, 2009, 03:05 AM
90's is grunge era At least early 90s.

Mid-late 90's boy bands and pretty women taking advantage of studios.

2000 I don't even know. Mostly hip-hop and rap. And not even good examples of it.

Chronon
November 16th, 2009, 03:39 AM
For 2000s I would say hip-hop. I actually think there is a lot of good (underground) hip-hop out there if that's your thing.

Grifulkin
November 16th, 2009, 03:47 AM
As you can tell by my sig, i have lost all hope in music.i want you to list you favorite bands that dont suck that you wish were on radios insted of pop rap and hip-hop.

Rush,Led Zeplin,Pink Floyd,The Who, Jethro Tull,Primus,Iron Maiden,Jeferson Airplane,The Jimmi Hendrix Experience,Nirvana,Detente,Aerosmith,The cult,Pearl Jam,Foo Fighters,Alice in Chains. and many more like this but this should give you a general idea in the music i think should be listened to more.

Nice list of overplayed, overpayed artists that don't sound all that great. And this generation listens to their music like our parents listened to there's which happens to be the music you listed but their parents thought that music was Garbage and they lost all hope in music. By the way I don't listen to main stream Pop if you want to call it, I listen to my little genre called Indie Rock. If people like it so be it if not, whatever listen to crappy music. Music changes with the generation, that is just how it works bro.

lisati
November 16th, 2009, 03:52 AM
You could try forms of music that do not use a diatonic scale. Often it does not contain the sorts of harmonic structure that the major scale does and this leads to a focus on melody. Arabic music and some Eastern European music are examples of this. Obviously, Indian music is very rich melodically too.

Interesting thought, but Mrs Lisati might not go for it.

shuttleworthwannabe
November 16th, 2009, 03:58 AM
How about getting to listen to satellite radio commercial free and what you want to hear?
Try radioparadise for a change!

koshatnik
November 16th, 2009, 10:04 AM
One thing that is more boring than people whining about the lack of decent music, is people whining on about how things were "so much better in <insert decade of choice>"

Hate to break it to you, but crappy, sappy commercialised music has been with us a very long time. And in every decade, there were a generation that loved it, and a generation that hated it. And in every decade, the sappy crappy crap got played endlessly on the radio.

The only thing that has changed is the amount of channels pumping it out. My advice - stop watching/listening to it.

There is a tonne of great music and bands out there, and its very easily available. I don't see what the problem is.

MaxIBoy
November 16th, 2009, 10:17 AM
Tool is damn good.

And check this guy out: http://www.bassnectar.net/listen/releases/

suitedaces
November 16th, 2009, 10:25 AM
I don't want the masses to listen to my music.

I'm very similar to this. While I adore Nightwish (an unnatural amount), it would lose a lot of its appeal if every little chav was blasting it out of his phone on the bus.

And this is frankly one of the most depressing links on teh interwebs: http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio1/chart/singles/

seeker5528
November 16th, 2009, 10:26 AM
To some extent the music of today always sounds like the music of yesterday.

Everybody is influenced by others, and many of those influences come from their childhood and their teen years, so by the time they join a band and start to gain a following the bands that sound fresh are often the ones that are bringing forward the sounds that were popular 10 to 20 years ago and mixing it with some of the more current sounds plus whatever miscellaneous stuff they may have taken a fancy to over the years.

In the 60s people were really open to experimentation so you had a lot of blending of styles.

When punk came along there were sounds that when you hear them you associate with punk, but punk is more about the anti-establishment 'I don't care what you think, I'm going to do what I want' attitude than sound so it drew on a lot of styles.

Now with the internet, you are not limited to the genre based choices that radio stations offer, so again you have this willingness to blend styles because there are more ways for bands to get their music heard and more ways for the fans to find the music.

Hip-hop was around a long time before it made it into the mainstream in the US as it's own genre, Blondie did Rapture in the 70s.

http://articles.directorym.com/Hip_Hop_Music-a517.html

Later, Seeker

openuniverse
November 16th, 2009, 10:26 AM
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Paqman
November 16th, 2009, 10:34 AM
I don't want the masses to listen to my music.
I'm very similar to this. While I adore Nightwish (an unnatural amount), it would lose a lot of its appeal if every little chav was blasting it out of his phone on the bus.


:lolflag:

You guys want to start sorting the world into two broad categories:

Things within my sphere of influence
Things outside my sphere of influence


..and not wasting your time and energies worrying about the stuff in category #2 ;)

HuaiDan
November 16th, 2009, 10:52 AM
1. I'm 40 y.o.
2. I started playing guitar 2 years ago



It's not just a grumpy old man thing. Any musician can tell you Jimmy Page could play. David Gilmour could play. While I'm sure there are better out there today, it gets drowned in the noise. I'm sick of two note guitar solos. Two note guitar solos have their place, just ask Neil Young, but ya can't do it every time.

Kazade
November 16th, 2009, 12:14 PM
I'm just sitting waiting for the Internet to kill the music industry so we can all move on. With the Internet there is no need for the "industry". Independent artists FTW ;)

amitabhishek
November 16th, 2009, 12:18 PM
As you can tell by my sig, i have lost all hope in music.i want you to list you favorite bands that dont suck that you wish were on radios insted of pop rap and hip-hop.

Rush,Led Zeplin,Pink Floyd,The Who, Jethro Tull,Primus,Iron Maiden,Jeferson Airplane,The Jimmi Hendrix Experience,Nirvana,Detente,Aerosmith,The cult,Pearl Jam,Foo Fighters,Alice in Chains. and many more like this but this should give you a general idea in the music i think should be listened to more.

I will add Mark Knopfler:P.


oh the good old day of Rock N Roll will never be forgotten. Music of today is the reason I do not listen to Radio manifactured music. iPod full of real Music classic Rockers :D

+1...those guys were gods!!! That music can never die!!! Those guys will live on.

Interestingly this is happening to local music too. New music here just smells of decay. :(

Bachstelze
November 16th, 2009, 12:20 PM
Rush,Led Zeplin,Pink Floyd,The Who, Jethro Tull,Primus,Iron Maiden,Jeferson Airplane,The Jimmi Hendrix Experience,Nirvana,Detente,Aerosmith,The cult,Pearl Jam,Foo Fighters,Alice in Chains. and many more like this but this should give you a general idea in the music i think should be listened to more.

I don't know of any band named "Led Zeplin". You lost all your credibility as a music lecturer with that.

Also lol Nirvana. Making worse music than that is physically impossible.

amitabhishek
November 16th, 2009, 12:23 PM
I don't know of any band named "Led Zeplin". You lost all your credibility as a music lecturer with that.

He should have declared that as a char and not as an array. ;)

sn0m
November 16th, 2009, 12:54 PM
Commercial radio stations or the ones with the most airwaves now a day are owned and directed by big corporations. They will shove down your throat whatever their commercial interests are on at the moment. This stifles innovation and choice-hence pop idol, x factor, you light my fire crap that dominates the life of commoners now a day. England is a disgrace-to my opinion when it comes to this. Therefore I'd rather listen to my old buddies that I grew up with Like Iron Maiden, Metallica, Accept, Megadeath, Aerosmith, Bon Jovi or internet radio that plays decent stuff rather then Stations like Radio one that tries to brain wash me with the Latest pop idol crap about 200 times a day with "hands up who's in love, yea up and down"
Anyway, if you like it, listen to it, but might need a bit of detective work to get to what you really like and enjoy.

gn2
November 16th, 2009, 01:25 PM
~ This stifles innovation and choice-hence pop idol, x factor, you light my fire crap that dominates the life of commoners now a day. ~

You could just as easily be a bearded prog fan bemoaning the advent of punk in the 70's.

Generations mainly like their music of their youth, it was ever thus.

Bungo Pony
November 16th, 2009, 01:58 PM
You just lost hope now? I lost hope in 1995.

Agreed. After Kurt off'ed himself, everyone seemed to be lost and have put out a whole pile of crap music.

There ARE some good newer bands out there, but you gotta search for them because they don't get airplay.

pwnst*r
November 16th, 2009, 02:09 PM
I don't want the masses to listen to my music.

what a crappy way to limit what you listen to. good luck with that.

RaZe42
November 16th, 2009, 02:12 PM
Those of you who really dislike the music of today, go check out some post-rock. Really. Go do that. NOW.

Tips: Mogwai, Russian Circles, If These Trees Could Talk

Heavier post-rockish music: Isis, Pelican

And some great progish metal: Cloudkicker, Animals as Leaders, Exivious

And something for fans of Knopfler: Check out Buckethead's newest album, A Diamond In The Rough, it's really great

These are all mostly instrumental

(Typing this while listening to some wonky math-rock ;) )

hoagie
November 16th, 2009, 02:13 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bjjc59FgUpg

Good music exists, you just have to look for it.

pwnst*r
November 16th, 2009, 02:16 PM
Those of you who really dislike the music of today, go check out some post-rock. Really. Go do that. NOW.

Tips: Mogwai, Russian Circles, If These Trees Could Talk

Heavier post-rockish music: Isis, Pelican

And some great progish metal: Cloudkicker, Animals as Leaders, Exivious

And something for fans of Knopfler: Check out Buckethead's newest album, A Diamond In The Rough, it's really great

These are all mostly instrumental

(Typing this while listening to some wonky math-rock ;) )

some nice suggestions, especially Animals, thanks

RiceMonster
November 16th, 2009, 02:30 PM
Also lol Nirvana. Making worse music than that is physically impossible.

+9001


Tool is damn good.

They're a good band, but obnoxiously overrated. I'm sick of Tool fans ranting to me about how mysterious and intellectual their music is.


*snip*

Nice. I'm a big fan of Pelican and Russian Circles. I've been meaning to check out If These Trees Could Talk, and I'll probably do it tonight. I'm also into other post rock bands like Godspeed You! Black Emperor, This Will Destroy You, and Mono.

RaZe42
November 16th, 2009, 02:53 PM
@RiceMonster

Yeah, definately check them out :D Their self-titled album is one of the best post-rock albums to come out recently

ExSuSEusr
November 16th, 2009, 03:02 PM
As you can tell by my sig, i have lost all hope in music.i want you to list you favorite bands that dont suck that you wish were on radios insted of pop rap and hip-hop.

Rush,Led Zeplin,Pink Floyd,The Who, Jethro Tull,Primus,Iron Maiden,Jeferson Airplane,The Jimmi Hendrix Experience,Nirvana,Detente,Aerosmith,The cult,Pearl Jam,Foo Fighters,Alice in Chains. and many more like this but this should give you a general idea in the music i think should be listened to more.

Most of what you have listed is what I would call "redneck rock." The type of stuff you hear coming out of a 1970's Camaro being driven by some unemployed scumbag with a mullet.

Rush sucks. Zeplin bores me to death, Floyd sucks.. there are a few good bands you listed though.

Tristam Green
November 16th, 2009, 03:03 PM
Strange thread.

There is good music now, just as there were stinkers from "back in the day".

Also, it's all subjective. I, for one, am not a fan of Alice In Chains overall. I like some of their songs, but I would not classify Layne Staley's whiney screaming as "good music" - Jerry Cantrell's guitar, on the other hand, is another animal.

My picks, though, as this thread warrants it:

Muse
Collective Soul
Taylor Swift
Scissor Sisters
Three Days Grace
Lacuna Coil
Nightwish
Within Temptation
Flight of the Conchords
Powerman 5000

I have others, but they're more generic.

pwnst*r
November 16th, 2009, 03:08 PM
Most of what you have listed is what I would call "redneck rock." The type of stuff you hear coming out of a 1970's Camaro being driven by some unemployed scumbag with a mullet.

Rush sucks. Zeplin bores me to death, Floyd sucks.. there are a few good bands you listed though.

and you listen to....??



Strange thread.

There is good music now, just as there were stinkers from "back in the day".

Also, it's all subjective. I, for one, am not a fan of Alice In Chains overall. I like some of their songs, but I would not classify Layne Staley's whiney screaming as "good music" - Jerry Cantrell's guitar, on the other hand, is another animal.

My picks, though, as this thread warrants it:

Muse
Collective Soul
Taylor Swift
Scissor Sisters
Three Days Grace
Lacuna Coil
Nightwish
Within Temptation
Flight of the Conchords
Powerman 5000

I have others, but they're more generic.

yet most (if not all) of those bands were from the 90's except LOL @ Taylor Swift. i hope you're kidding with that generic ****

Eisenwinter
November 16th, 2009, 05:13 PM
ok!

I'm gonna link you to some songs I have loved from the past few years, and you can explain to me why they've sucked! xD

Because he doesn't like these songs (I assume). This is why.

When people say "man, this sucks" they mean that to them it sucks.

Tristam Green
November 16th, 2009, 08:15 PM
yet most (if not all) of those bands were from the 90's except LOL @ Taylor Swift. i hope you're kidding with that generic ****

Oh, I never claimed they weren't from the 90s. I couldn't name a single band that's come out in the past six years that have made me turn a serious eye.

And forget you man, Taylor Swift makes me smile :| It's a guilty pleasure - I'm sure you have one too.

pwnst*r
November 16th, 2009, 08:21 PM
yeah, but you said you had some that were more generic. her stuff is pretty damn generic.

Tristam Green
November 16th, 2009, 08:48 PM
yeah, but you said you had some that were more generic. her stuff is pretty damn generic.

oh, i misunderstood you then. you certainly won't find your rihannas or britneys or things like that on my full list, so it might be more apt to say that Taylor Swift is about as generic as it gets for me.

I'm still a huge fan of Flight of the Conchords (even prior to the HBO show) and in all seriousness, my top three include Muse (who have only gotten better with age), Collective Soul (who finally grew up), and Hootie and the Blowfish (it's a staple, I live in Charleston).

pwnst*r
November 16th, 2009, 08:49 PM
i love Muse, but not hot on the newest :\

SomeGuyDude
November 16th, 2009, 08:54 PM
If you've lost hope in music, it means you suck at finding music. There are more bands than you could ever hope to listen to, and they go across all genres. Pick up Sirius radio, Pandora, Last.fm, scope through Amazon, look around.

People who b!tch and moan about how "today's music sucks" tend to only be referring to the dozen or so chart-topping bubblegum pop bands.

Tristam Green
November 16th, 2009, 09:13 PM
i love Muse, but not hot on the newest :\

It's way too political, and fails when measured to the bar they set with Absolution and Black Holes & Revelations, but when compared to Sunburn? It measures up in my opinion.

Also, sounding like Queen > sounding like Radiohead.

The Toxic Mite
November 16th, 2009, 09:16 PM
I don't usually listen to new releases, but some are pretty interesting :>

Praxicoide
November 16th, 2009, 09:29 PM
Portishead's Third and Goldfrapp's Seventh Tree are the last two "mainstream" releases that I've liked.

Good music continues to be made, it's just that it is stifled by the big label's artificial concoctions.

It's a sad state of affairs, but if you don't get your music from the radio, it's not so terrible.

SuperSonic4
November 16th, 2009, 09:35 PM
i love Muse, but not hot on the newest :\

I concur, I saw muse live and the old stuff was beautifully done but the new stuff ruined.

As for that top 40, 39 were suck. Only Journey was good

hoppipolla
November 16th, 2009, 09:36 PM
what about this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LoM4ZZJ2UrM)! :D

MasterNetra
November 16th, 2009, 09:38 PM
I personally prefer Trance/Dance/etc stuff though I do listen to alternative rock, some rock, tolerate country, a few heavy metal artists such as korn, some classical and atmospheric, as well some other areas.

Music is music as far as I'm concerned. Loss of hope? Thats your issue not music in general. Just keeping looking around and listen to various artists, you may not like a particular area of music in general but you might find a artist (obscure or not) that you actually like to listen to, or perhaps particular songs that are good.

hoppipolla
November 16th, 2009, 10:11 PM
it really is down to the person! I mean I love bands like Angels and Airwaves, Cartel, The Starting Line and all that kinda... artistic pop punk! hehe :)

But lots of people probably think it's generic and... I dunno, whatever they say! But I love the passion and the emotion and the... almost feeling of freedom that some of it can convey! It's beautiful hot weather music! ^_^

BslBryan
November 16th, 2009, 10:16 PM
King Crimson.

seeker5528
November 16th, 2009, 10:32 PM
For guitar, in addition to Popa Chubby and Daniel Bautista that I already provided links for earlier in this thread, I like Aldo Vaccaro:

Solo Guitar Ballad - Violins (http://www.video4viet.com/watchvideo.html?id=0KTUt3iFEww&title=Aldo+Vaccaro+-+Solo+Guitar+Ballad+-+Violins)
Instrumental - Get in the Sun (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IixRk6XlP4I)
Instrumental - Maelstrom (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gK7qQViZ-r0)

http://www.vaccaro.ca/index.htm

Andra and the Backbone have this instrumental that I really like for Guitar:

http://www.last.fm/music/Andra+and+the+Backbone/_/Surrender

Which seems not to be typical of their music based on what I can find, but I like these other tracks too.

selamat tinggal masa lalu (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bPgvf-5sjKI)
Hitamku (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k4dO83vAzqU&)
Main Hati (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-8-amBH0eY8)

Later, Seeker

kholdstare
November 16th, 2009, 10:50 PM
If you've lost hope in music, it means you suck at finding music. There are more bands than you could ever hope to listen to, and they go across all genres. Pick up Sirius radio, Pandora, Last.fm, scope through Amazon, look around.

People who b!tch and moan about how "today's music sucks" tend to only be referring to the dozen or so chart-topping bubblegum pop bands.
i find great bands all the time, if you actually read my post i said radio. I have never found a good band from radio, just from Internet and word of mouth.

RabbitWho
November 16th, 2009, 10:51 PM
As you can tell by my sig, i have lost all hope in music.i want you to list you favorite bands that dont suck that you wish were on radios insted of pop rap and hip-hop.

Rush,Led Zeplin,Pink Floyd,The Who, Jethro Tull,Primus,Iron Maiden,Jeferson Airplane,The Jimmi Hendrix Experience,Nirvana,Detente,Aerosmith,The cult,Pearl Jam,Foo Fighters,Alice in Chains. and many more like this but this should give you a general idea in the music i think should be listened to more.


Ha ha. You're not looking for good music, you're looking for old music. There is loads of great music around today. Not on the radio though.
Today is the best time to be alive musically.
But you have to look for the music, it's not a time for laziness, you can't just switch on the radio and hear it.

kholdstare
November 16th, 2009, 10:56 PM
As you can tell by my sig, i have lost all hope in music.i want you to list you favorite bands that dont suck that you wish were on radios insted of pop rap and hip-hop.

Rush,Led Zeplin,Pink Floyd,The Who, Jethro Tull,Primus,Iron Maiden,Jeferson Airplane,The Jimmi Hendrix Experience,Nirvana,Detente,Aerosmith,The cult,Pearl Jam,Foo Fighters,Alice in Chains. and many more like this but this should give you a general idea in the music i think should be listened to more.
see the bold word, thats what im talking about,not Internet the Internet is full of awesome music im talking radio.

openuniverse
November 16th, 2009, 11:00 PM
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seeker5528
November 17th, 2009, 12:55 AM
see the bold word, thats what im talking about,not Internet the Internet is full of awesome music im talking radio.

Between the title of the thread and the OP, I never really got that out of it.


As you can tell by my sig, i have lost all hope in music.i want you to list you favorite bands that dont suck that you wish were on radios insted of pop rap and hip-hop.

Otherwise it should have been 'I have lost all hope in radio', instead of 'i have lost all hope in music'.

I don't know what kind of demographic you have in your area that you can't escape pop, rap, and hip-hop. Around me I also have jazz, classical, classic rock, hard rock, metal, alternative, etc...

Unfortunately there is no good blues station around me, and the jazz stations are really hit and miss, and I am not aware of any stretch of time where they regularly dedicate a block of time to only playing blues music.

The majority of these are going to have some pop songs, depending on what artists that fit their genre might actually have some crossover appeal.

Some stations that are heavy, but not necessarily metal, might have some heavier selections from the rap/hip-hop genre along with rapcore and metal.

Some alternative stations might have a bigger selection of hip-hop and pop than others.

The Beatles are all over the map, pop stations, hard rock stations, classic rock stations, even the oldies stations.

If you only think of pop as being those cutesy, catchy, shallow, don't remember two years from now songs, then that's a whole different thing, every generation has that do deal with I'm sure.

Later, Seeker

northwestuntu
November 17th, 2009, 12:56 AM
A sampling from different genres

Clutch, Ben Harper, Tool, Thievery Corporation, Massive Attack, Younger Brother, Shpongle, System of a Down, The Greyboy Allstars, The Dillinger Escape Plan, Floater, Fantomas.


i like the patton influence. i also suggest some mr bungle and faith no more :guitar:

Zoot7
November 17th, 2009, 01:43 AM
I concur, I saw muse live and the old stuff was beautifully done but the new stuff ruined.

As for that top 40, 39 were suck. Only Journey was good
I saw them live in Dublin over a year ago, and I have to say I was disappointed at them not playing any of their old stuff.

Azatos
November 17th, 2009, 02:14 AM
As you can tell by my sig, i have lost all hope in music.i want you to list you favorite bands that dont suck that you wish were on radios insted of pop rap and hip-hop.

Rush,Led Zeplin,Pink Floyd,The Who, Jethro Tull,Primus,Iron Maiden,Jeferson Airplane,The Jimmi Hendrix Experience,Nirvana,Detente,Aerosmith,The cult,Pearl Jam,Foo Fighters,Alice in Chains. and many more like this but this should give you a general idea in the music i think should be listened to more.

I'd rather listen to pop rap than a bunch of ****** hair rock, grunge and classic rock.

None of the bands you listed except for the Jimi Hendrix experience, put emotion into there music no just making music that they enjoy. Just appealing to as many people as possible.

pwnst*r
November 17th, 2009, 03:31 AM
I'd rather listen to pop rap than a bunch of ****** hair rock, grunge and classic rock.

None of the bands you listed except for the Jimi Hendrix experience, put emotion into there music no just making music that they enjoy. Just appealing to as many people as possible.

wow.

The Funkbomb
November 17th, 2009, 03:38 AM
I'd rather listen to pop rap than a bunch of ****** hair rock, grunge and classic rock.

None of the bands you listed except for the Jimi Hendrix experience, put emotion into there music no just making music that they enjoy. Just appealing to as many people as possible.

lolwut?

Chronon
November 17th, 2009, 03:43 AM
i like the patton influence. i also suggest some mr bungle and faith no more :guitar:

Well spotted! I also love Mr. Bungle and Faith No More.

I got to see FNM but sadly never got to see Bungle.

Fantomas is a trip to see live. I saw them at a very small venue in Eugene, OR.

Tymon
November 17th, 2009, 03:47 AM
Those of you who really dislike the music of today, go check out some post-rock. Really. Go do that. NOW.

Tips: Mogwai, Russian Circles, If These Trees Could Talk

Heavier post-rockish music: Isis, Pelican

And some great progish metal: Cloudkicker, Animals as Leaders, Exivious

And something for fans of Knopfler: Check out Buckethead's newest album, A Diamond In The Rough, it's really great

These are all mostly instrumental

(Typing this while listening to some wonky math-rock ;) )

Cool to see the Exivious recommendation, thanks for that. Kind of funny to read that here, because I'm also a bit of an Ubuntu nerd next to being a musician. (exivious is my band)

Chronon
November 17th, 2009, 03:52 AM
I'd rather listen to pop rap than a bunch of ****** hair rock, grunge and classic rock.

None of the bands you listed except for the Jimi Hendrix experience, put emotion into there music no just making music that they enjoy. Just appealing to as many people as possible.

Hey, music is about what 'you' get out of it. I'm sorry you don't get anything out of Pink Floyd or Led Zeppelin. I consider Pink Floyd to have some very deep content and I do get a lot out of their music.

But I think you're just trolling anyway, so whatevs.

Chronon
November 17th, 2009, 04:03 AM
Cool to see the Exivious recommendation, thanks for that. Kind of funny to read that here, because I'm also a bit of an Ubuntu nerd next to being a musician. (exivious is my band)
Nice! From what I heard on last.fm just now: I like!

PuddingKnife
November 17th, 2009, 04:23 AM
reading the OP .. do you like Phish at all? I'm so psyched for the Miami NYE show :D

northwestuntu
November 17th, 2009, 04:42 AM
Well spotted! I also love Mr. Bungle and Faith No More.

I got to see FNM but sadly never got to see Bungle.

Fantomas is a trip to see live. I saw them at a very small venue in Eugene, OR.

never got to see either, but now that fnm is back together hopefully they will make a trip through the u.s so i can catch them.

chucky chuckaluck
November 17th, 2009, 04:49 AM
I don't want the masses to listen to my music.

so, you're wishing commercial failure on the musicians you like? way to give back, chief.

Firestem4
November 17th, 2009, 05:20 AM
Music will always be sh***y to someone. People grow up in an era and that music is alwayys, and will always be the best music there was. Its the same arguement with the Oldies. I'm not saying Oldies are bad..But do any of us (born within the last 30 years) actually listen to The Oldies as our main music? No, we don't like it.

Now don't get me wrong, I love Classic rock and metal. But I also grew up during the 90's and 2000's, so that is my music culture.

Some of my favorite bands:

Metallica (#1), Godsmack, Tool, Creed, Nickelback, Alterbridge, Shinedown, 3 Doors Down, Incubus, Breaking Benjamin, Evanescence, Three Days Grace, My Chemical Romance, Audioslave, Cold, Switchfoot, (and hundreds of others..i have a LOT of music i listen to lol).



And forget you man, Taylor Swift makes me smile :| It's a guilty pleasure - I'm sure you have one too.

Lol, I can't disagree. I'm not really a Taylor Swift fan, tho she's cute... But I feel the same way about Avril Lavigne. And I'm a straight up rocker and metal dude. I listen to, like you: Within Temptation, Nigthwish, Lacuna Coil too.

Grifulkin
November 17th, 2009, 05:43 AM
Also lol Nirvana. Making worse music than that is physically impossible.

+1 Seriously, terrible band.

Tipped OuT
November 17th, 2009, 05:48 AM
so, you're wishing commercial failure on the musicians you like? way to give back, chief.

What I think he's trying to say is...

He doesn't want the music he listens to, to be degraded as another trend or a "I listen to it because everyone else listens to it" kind of thing.

He also doesn't want his artists to sell out to the fame and fortune.

JDShu
November 17th, 2009, 06:19 AM
Luckily, we'll alway have real pop music on the radio like Beethoven, Pachelbel, and Vivaldi ;)

Switch to a classical music channel next time you're driving and theres nothing else to listen to.

chucky chuckaluck
November 17th, 2009, 06:32 AM
What I think he's trying to say is...

He doesn't want the music he listens to, to be degraded as another trend or a "I listen to it because everyone else listens to it" kind of thing.

the music itself can't be degraded, only its association. and who knows, an association with the masses might even be an upgrade.


He also doesn't want his artists to sell out to the fame and fortune.

if they don't make any money doing what he likes, they'll be forced to change their music to something that's more popular, or give up and get real jobs.

openuniverse
November 17th, 2009, 06:40 AM
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Chronon
November 17th, 2009, 06:42 AM
. . .

lol

SomeGuyDude
November 17th, 2009, 07:55 AM
Two observations:

1) Nirvana-bashing became trendy sometime in the past five years. It's kinda pathetic that no one's willing to remember the early days when Kurt and the boys were tearing down hair metal singlehandedly. To this day Unplugged in New York remains on my top ten albums of all time.

2) Screw everyone, I love rap. And not just the snooty rap that everyone says they like to prove that they're a "purist" or something. I jam out to Gucci Mane and Lil Jon all the time. Not all music has to be deep and thought-provoking. It's perfectly all right to just party once in a while.

openuniverse
November 17th, 2009, 08:38 AM
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Sin@Sin-Sacrifice
November 17th, 2009, 08:50 AM
Radio can be ok depending on the station. In my opinion things that should be played are Pink Floyd, Tool, Hendricks, 311, God Lives Underwater, Kings Of Leon, Nine Inch Nails, Wu-Tang, Dead Prez, A Perfect Circle, Sublime, Ghost Face Killa, Behemoth, Cannibal Corpse, Bush, Alice in Chains, Soulfly, Sepultura, System Of A Down, Tool, DJ Spooky, Dave Matthew's Band, David Bowie, CCR, Deftones, Diesel Boy, Snot, Slipknot, Stone Sour, Staind, Hypocrisy, Suicide Silence, Carnifex, Job For A Cowboy, Iggy Pop, Eric Clapton, Cream, Johnny Cash, Kittie, Otep, Korn, Ministry, Tool, My Life With The Thrill Kill Cult, Type O Negative, Lamb Of God, Stabbing Westward, Marilyn Manson, Michael Manring, Primus, Colonel Les Claypool's Fearless Flying Frog Brigade, Mudvayne, Nailbomb, Norma Jean (if they get rid of the gay pink fender), All That Remains, Bach, Strauss, Beethoven, Pantera, Perl Jam, Puscifer, Rammstein, Jane's Addiction, Static-X, Team Sleep. Crystal Method, The Revolting Cocks, Temple Of The Dog, Sound Garden, Audioslave, Everclear, Tool, Tori Amos, Danny Lohner, White Zombie, Elvis, The Doors, Dir En Grey, MarshalHack, Gojira, American Head Charge, Devildriver, Motograter, Phantasm, Nothingface, Deathclock, Cyrus, Cavalera Conspiracy, and Tool... I'm sure I missed a bunch but ah well...

diskotek
November 17th, 2009, 10:29 AM
it seem like you stuck between classic rock and grunge. i think there are many nice music out there. try new wave ny punk rock or indie electronic.. dunno..many choices

koshatnik
November 17th, 2009, 10:30 AM
He also doesn't want his artists to sell out to the fame and fortune.

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHHAHAH AHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAH

Sorry for that, but that was the only way I could respond to what is quite possibly one of the most naieve comments I have ever read on a forum.

Where do I begin?

Firstly, "selling out". Selling out is a term used by people in bands that don't have a record deal to describe other bands that have got a record deal. As if not having a record deal and playing in dingy clubs for years on end has some sort of added credibility to it. Get real. There is no such thing as selling out. Its a term used by people that are jealous of success.

Musicians produce music to be heard, ideally by alot of people. They want to sell records because they want to make money. I've been involved in the music scene a long time, and I can't remember meeting one band of the thousands I've come across, that hasn't wanted fame, money and a huge record deal and tour.

It also makes me laugh my *** off when people think a band is really cool and credible because it doesnt sell any records and never gets played on the radio, and the moment it does start making it, it suddenly loses that credibility.

Man, the working world is full of people in low paid crappy jobs, struggling to pay their mortgages and feed their kids, but hey, they don't mind, they have loads of credibility. Why would they want success? Thats for losers and sell outs right?

Hilarious thread. Really hilarious.

seeker5528
November 17th, 2009, 10:51 AM
Music will always be sh***y to someone. People grow up in an era and that music is alwayys, and will always be the best music there was. Its the same arguement with the Oldies. I'm not saying Oldies are bad..But do any of us (born within the last 30 years) actually listen to The Oldies as our main music? No, we don't like it.

Then how to you explain Michael Bublé. :p

Later, Seeker

Sin@Sin-Sacrifice
November 17th, 2009, 10:56 AM
Then how to you explain Michael Bublé. :p

Later, Seeker

Good point.... Also... there's a bit of a swing revolution here in Youngstown. I don't think any style really dies... it just loses main stream popularity.

seeker5528
November 17th, 2009, 11:14 AM
Christina Aguilera tips her hat to the oldies on Back to Basics, early Jazz, Blues, and Soul type stuff mixed with more modern stylings. And she did a tribute to James Brown on some awards show. Before the James Brown thing I had no interest in listening to her.

Later, Seeker

seeker5528
November 17th, 2009, 11:43 AM
Here's an oldy for you Kinks - I'm Not Like Everybody Else (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qr3oHEGDR7Y), not sure it gets played on the oldies stations, but some of their other stuff of similar age as the initial studio recording does.

Back to guitar stuff, I listed these guys earlier but it was this song in particular that made me curious and that I listened to first:

Rodrigo y Gabriela - Orion (http://www.last.fm/music/Rodrigo+y+Gabriela/Rodrigo+Y+Gabriela/Orion)

After listening to that and a couple other songs I was at Borders 20 minutes later looking for the CD.

Orion is one of my favorite instrumentals along with.......

Faith No More - Woodpecker from Mars (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GpHXnBnKQ-g)

Later, Seeker

xpod
November 17th, 2009, 12:04 PM
Skimming through the thread it`s good to see i`m not the only one starting to suffer from grumpy old man syndrome:P

The Funkbomb
November 17th, 2009, 01:10 PM
While I wouldn't say Nirvana sucked, it certainly wouldn't be what I called "good music" and I don't think it was supposed to be. It was supposed to be dirty. Nirvana and bands like it ushered in the great age of apathy.

openuniverse
November 17th, 2009, 05:05 PM
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Chronon
November 17th, 2009, 09:19 PM
that's true, by the time their second album was out, all you ever heard from people was "nevermind, nevermind..."

Well it was called "Nevermind", so. . .

SuperSonic4
November 17th, 2009, 09:30 PM
If today's music was good then today's reality shows would use today's music. Last Saturday's X-Factor used Queen I believe. Furthermore the common person needs to understand that Katy whatever (whoever sung I kissed a girl and I like it) IS NOT ROCK!

The motivation is no longer there for good music to be made nowadays, at least back then you had a chance of getting rich and sustaining it. Nowadays why try to do well when some manufactured **** will fix it's way to number 1 to further line the pockets of the likes of Simon Cowell. There are few bands from the 2000s that could sell out a stadium.

Also the test of a musician, IMO, is how well they perform live. I've seen Iron Maiden, Judas Priest, Megadeth, Metallica and AC/DC within 12 months - they sold out entire tours.

RaZe42
November 17th, 2009, 09:39 PM
Reality shows. Really?

And yes, well known artists' gigs usually sell out, but that simply means that they are well known, not necessarily that they are good.

Supersonic, after reading your post for the third time it seems that you look for music in the wrong places. Search the interwebs. We've got much better taste than them real fishies ;)

Roasted
November 17th, 2009, 09:40 PM
Sorry, but I disagree.
Most of what you listed is just boring, oversimplified music with no real "weight" behind it

[IMO]

Sorry, but your opinion is wrong.

SuperSonic4
November 17th, 2009, 09:43 PM
Reality shows. Really?

And yes, well known artists' gigs usually sell out, but that simply means that they are well known, not necessarily that they are good.

I concur that they are **** but they do reflect popular 'culture'.

It does mean that they are well known and there is often a correlation. If you go to a proper rock gig you will see a cross section of ages and marginally more men than women.

RiceMonster
November 17th, 2009, 09:44 PM
If today's music was good then today's reality shows would use today's music. Last Saturday's X-Factor used Queen I believe. Furthermore the common person needs to understand that Katy whatever (whoever sung I kissed a girl and I like it) IS NOT ROCK!

You expect something good to come from REALITY SHOWS?


The motivation is no longer there for good music to be made nowadays, at least back then you had a chance of getting rich and sustaining it. Nowadays why try to do well when some manufactured **** will fix it's way to number 1 to further line the pockets of the likes of Simon Cowell. There are few bands from the 2000s that could sell out a stadium.

First, what does selling out a stadium have to do with anything? Second, there's been bad music for a long time. What about disco and Glam/hair metal?


Also the test of a musician, IMO, is how well they perform live. I've seen Iron Maiden, Judas Priest, Megadeth, Metallica and AC/DC within 12 months - they sold out entire tours.

Brittany Spears sells out too. She must be good in your books. Also, I don't believe in using AC/DC as an example of good music. Talk about repeating the same tired structure, generic 4/4 drum beats, and 4 standard open chords over and over.

arnab_das
November 17th, 2009, 09:47 PM
well Linkin Park shows are always sold out!

I'm sure if Akon did a major live concert there'd be a stampede!

RaZe42
November 17th, 2009, 09:47 PM
@ SuperSonic

"Proper Rock" What's that? Post-rock? Math rock? Punk rock? Prog rock? Alt rock? Classic Rock?

Point: There's no "proper" rock.

Also, I agree with The RiceMonster :D

EDIT: But now, let's all just chill out and listen to Exivious since uh.... they're great band and one of it's members posted in this thread :P

Roasted
November 17th, 2009, 09:48 PM
well Linkin Park shows are always sold out!

I'm sure if Akon did a major live concert there'd be a stampede!

That doesn't necessarily prove that the artist is good.

It could just as easily prove the majority of the population has bad taste.

RiceMonster
November 17th, 2009, 09:49 PM
That doesn't necessarily prove that the artist is good.

It could just as easily prove the majority of the population has bad taste.

I think that was the point being made ;). Even if unintentional, that alone proves the point the record/ticket sales and charts mean nothing.

arnab_das
November 17th, 2009, 09:50 PM
That doesn't necessarily prove that the artist is good.

It could just as easily prove the majority of the population has bad taste.

but who decides if an artist is good?

tastes change over time. one has to accept that. this is the age of nu metal and hip hop.

RaZe42
November 17th, 2009, 09:52 PM
this is the age of nu metal and hip hop.

Maybe where you live ( I'm guessing USA), but not in Finland.

arnab_das
November 17th, 2009, 10:00 PM
i dunno why (maybe because i appreciate rock music better), but i think pop music of today's is more commercial than anytime in history! consider the likes of westlife (who are apparently still enjoying some popularity in the UK), or backstreet boys, who are long dead but just keep coming up with the same old stuff over and over again!

so if you mix these examples with really original works of music, do think again. chris brown, akon (obviously! and look at the way he's promoting new talent! simply great), have brought a certain sense of "freshness" to the music arena of today's. or else we would have been stuck with madonna!

as far as rock music is concerned, i think rock has loads of sub categories. there are really commercial rock bands like the Fray, Coldplay etc. and then there are really good ones like Snow Patrol, LP, Green Day... the list goes on.

i guess it depends on what you choose to hear.

Roasted
November 17th, 2009, 10:03 PM
but who decides if an artist is good?

tastes change over time. one has to accept that. this is the age of nu metal and hip hop.

There's nobody who can say yes - this person is awful, or yes - this person is amazing. But the truth is, anybody who understands music will see a passion in the artist and a true skill that can't be matched.

The world seems to think Miley Cyrus is amazing, while I want to stab myself in the face with a fork every time I hear that whiney voice yelling "it's a party in the YOU -- ESS -- AYYYYYYYYYYYE!"

Gag me.

arnab_das
November 17th, 2009, 10:06 PM
There's nobody who can say yes - this person is awful, or yes - this person is amazing. But the truth is, anybody who understands music will see a passion in the artist and a true skill that can't be matched.

The world seems to think Miley Cyrus is amazing, while I want to stab myself in the face with a fork every time I hear that whiney voice yelling "it's a party in the YOU -- ESS -- AYYYYYYYYYYYE!"

Gag me.

passion is a bad criteria really. coz there's no singer who's famous and who doesnt have passion for music! :)

but guess technicality and pitch etc. could be criteria for deciding who's better. eg. Bono of U2 is always (at least 90% of the time) is out of tune!

and yeah miley sucks! big time!

Roasted
November 17th, 2009, 10:10 PM
passion is a bad criteria really. coz there's no singer who's famous and who doesnt have passion for music! :)

but guess technicality and pitch etc. could be criteria for deciding who's better.

and yeah miley sucks! big time!

Well yeah, you might have a point there. But what my underlying thought was as I was typing that is, there's artists who you can watch live... people who live in the moment and truly speak through the simple actions they may do on stage when performing a song. It just becomes obvious to me when you really break everything down and take in what lyrics and tones are being put out there.

I've honestly tried to sit down and listen to certain bands and see where their highlights are, such as Miley, The Jonas Brothers, etc. I just honestly cannot fathom how some people say they have skill.

Sure, maybe they have a beat to their music you like - nobody can argue that. But at the end of the day, I just don't see it with them that I see with other bands.

It's just my opinion, and obviously the majority of the world disagrees with me, otherwise Miley wouldn't be pocketing 40 million a year, but it's just my take on it.

SuperSonic4
November 17th, 2009, 10:11 PM
i dunno why (maybe because i appreciate rock music better), but i think pop music of today's is more commercial than anytime in history! consider the likes of westlife (who are apparently still enjoying some popularity in the UK), or backstreet boys, who are long dead but just keep coming up with the same old stuff over and over again!

so if you mix these examples with really original works of music, do think again. chris brown, akon (obviously! and look at the way he's promoting new talent! simply great), have brought a certain sense of "freshness" to the music arena of today's. or else we would have been stuck with madonna!

as far as rock music is concerned, i think rock has loads of sub categories. there are really commercial rock bands like the Fray, Coldplay etc. and then there are really good ones like Snow Patrol, LP, Green Day... the list goes on.

i guess it depends on what you choose to hear.

Notwithstanding the irony of thousands of green day fans singing "Minority" I would definitely say Green Day are commercial

kholdstare
November 17th, 2009, 10:46 PM
that's true, by the time their second album was out, all you ever heard from people was "nevermind, nevermind..."i dont think nevermind is the best one,bleach and the unplugged one are my favorite ones.

arnab_das
November 17th, 2009, 10:48 PM
i dont think nevermind is the best one,bleach and the unplugged one are my favorite ones.

no offence, but dont know why people like unplugged versions. it sounds so strange, and frankly speaking its not what the band would want us to hear.

i dont think LP would do an unplugged! :)

kholdstare
November 17th, 2009, 10:50 PM
no offence, but dont know why people like unplugged versions. it sounds so strange, and frankly speaking its not what the band would want us to hear.

i dont think LP would do an unplugged! :)
i like unplugged because its unplugged its not trashing loud,it shows the softer side of there songs.i like the whole loud and crazy in songs, but a break from that is also good.

kholdstare
November 17th, 2009, 10:52 PM
Radio can be ok depending on the station. In my opinion things that should be played are Pink Floyd, Tool, Hendricks, 311, God Lives Underwater, Kings Of Leon, Nine Inch Nails, Wu-Tang, Dead Prez, A Perfect Circle, Sublime, Ghost Face Killa, Behemoth, Cannibal Corpse, Bush, Alice in Chains, Soulfly, Sepultura, System Of A Down, Tool, DJ Spooky, Dave Matthew's Band, David Bowie, CCR, Deftones, Diesel Boy, Snot, Slipknot, Stone Sour, Staind, Hypocrisy, Suicide Silence, Carnifex, Job For A Cowboy, Iggy Pop, Eric Clapton, Cream, Johnny Cash, Kittie, Otep, Korn, Ministry, Tool, My Life With The Thrill Kill Cult, Type O Negative, Lamb Of God, Stabbing Westward, Marilyn Manson, Michael Manring, Primus, Colonel Les Claypool's Fearless Flying Frog Brigade, Mudvayne, Nailbomb, Norma Jean (if they get rid of the gay pink fender), All That Remains, Bach, Strauss, Beethoven, Pantera, Perl Jam, Puscifer, Rammstein, Jane's Addiction, Static-X, Team Sleep. Crystal Method, The Revolting Cocks, Temple Of The Dog, Sound Garden, Audioslave, Everclear, Tool, Tori Amos, Danny Lohner, White Zombie, Elvis, The Doors, Dir En Grey, MarshalHack, Gojira, American Head Charge, Devildriver, Motograter, Phantasm, Nothingface, Deathclock, Cyrus, Cavalera Conspiracy, and Tool... I'm sure I missed a bunch but ah well...
finallysomebody does exactly what i ask.:p

openuniverse
November 17th, 2009, 11:21 PM
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almikul
November 18th, 2009, 01:01 AM
To the music already listed by OP I would add:

Traffic, Rolling Stones, Doors, Yes (earlier stuff), Beatles (White Album), Ultimate Spinach, Arzachel, Soft Machine, Gong, Caravan, Camel, Kraftwerk, Pierre Henry, Michel Colombier, Keith Mansfield, Rolling Stones, Simple Minds, The The, Indochine, Falco.

As you can see, it is a diverse mix, but there is nothing later than the 80s. 90s and 2000s suck with the exception for some early Metallica, Dandy Warhols and recently discovered Movits from Sweden.

Chronon
November 18th, 2009, 01:16 AM
As you can see, it is a diverse mix, but there is nothing later than the 80s. 90s and 2000s suck with the exception for some early Metallica, Dandy Warhols and recently discovered Movits from Sweden.

Early Metallica was early 80s.

Tipped OuT
November 18th, 2009, 02:30 AM
if they don't make any money doing what he likes, they'll be forced to change their music to something that's more popular, or give up and get real jobs.

Uuuuh... no. There are artists that are "underground" that make really good music (never change), and have "real jobs". Google it.

When they have fame and fortune, they're most likely to sell out, because it's their record company that controls them, and they can decide what's good and what's not. If they don't meet their regulations, they get fired. Which means no more fame, no more fortune.

So they have no choice but to do what their record company says, or lose it all.

openuniverse
November 18th, 2009, 08:30 AM
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3rdalbum
November 18th, 2009, 09:54 AM
It sounds like a bunch of rock 'n' roll snobs here. Did you ever consider that, on a completely different forum, some classical music fans are saying "I wish the radio stations would stop playing Pink Floyd and start playing some REAL music, like J.S. Bach, Mozart, or even Vivaldi!"

Also, before passing judgement on pop, there are lots of different degrees of pop music. There are pop groups who write, play and sing pop music on their real instruments, and are not signed to big record labels. There are pop singers who do actually write and co-produce their songs, because they have a music theory background.

The main thing I don't like about the music industry today is that there's not enough variety in pop music; all the biggest artists sit around their formula of heavily electronic, heavily acoustic/electric or just generic hip-hop. In the 1990s there was a bit more variety - you'd hear something reminiscent of Motown, or something with a strong country feel, or even something kinda jazzy; and it would be a mainstream artist or group releasing it.

And then, there's the radio, where they only have three hours worth of music, and you're guaranteed to hear the Black Eyed Peas or Pink every twenty minutes.

3rdalbum
November 18th, 2009, 10:01 AM
The world seems to think Miley Cyrus is amazing, while I want to stab myself in the face with a fork every time I hear that whiney voice yelling "it's a party in the YOU -- ESS -- AYYYYYYYYYYYE!"

Astonishing fact: Miley can actually sing, and she can actually sing live. Somebody burnt me The Best Of Both Worlds on DVD by accident, I watched it one day (I was waiting for some files to copy over, so sue me) and I had to admit that while her songs leave a lot to be desired, she can definitely sing. It's not her fault that she's got the voice of a 16 year old.

arnab_das
November 18th, 2009, 10:16 AM
Astonishing fact: Miley can actually sing, and she can actually sing live. Somebody burnt me The Best Of Both Worlds on DVD by accident, I watched it one day (I was waiting for some files to copy over, so sue me) and I had to admit that while her songs leave a lot to be desired, she can definitely sing. It's not her fault that she's got the voice of a 16 year old.

she and mark anthony have similar probs. they have good voices but sing totally pointless crappy songs!

seeker5528
November 18th, 2009, 07:39 PM
no offence, but dont know why people like unplugged versions. it sounds so strange, and frankly speaking its not what the band would want us to hear.

A: If they didn't want people to hear it, then why did they do it?

B: It's much harder to cover up the flaws/mistakes when unplugged, so when artists are capable of doing it, and doing it well, it's something to be appreciated.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LoxJYzwBcAk

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uRtd9TFfScU

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iKT1P7x_Pzo

http://www.last.fm/music/Allison+Crowe/_/Smells+Like+Teen+Spirit+%28Nirvana%29

Later, Seeker

HappinessNow
November 18th, 2009, 08:30 PM
I have lost all hope in radio music. Not the music on the internet, for there are many great choices there, or in the streets and bars of my area, just radio, if you reply, dont say "ohh just look on internet theres many" because i know, or dont say go out and look, because i do the area in which i live has many talented musicians.i want you to list you favorite bands that dont suck that you wish were on radios insted of pop rap and hip-hop.

Rush,Led Zeppelin,Pink Floyd,The Who, Jethro Tull,Primus,Iron Maiden,Jeferson Airplane,The Jimmi Hendrix Experience,Nirvana,Detente,Aerosmith,The cult,Pearl Jam,Foo Fighters,Alice in Chains. and many more like this but this should give you a general idea in the music i think should be listened to on the radio more.Answer = Pandora One!

I like a lot of the old bands you mention, except you forgot Black Sabbath

...but honestly I think Seether is a modern day band that is just as good(legendary) as those listed, there is a lot of new music that is very, very good and not dated.

suitedaces
November 18th, 2009, 08:52 PM
Skimming through the thread it`s good to see i`m not the only one starting to suffer from grumpy old man syndrome:P

Yip, only my technology addiction separates me from people 4 times my age!

alphaniner
November 18th, 2009, 09:11 PM
Yip, only my technology addiction separates me from people 4 times my age!

Lots of people four times your age are big fans of Nightwish?

suitedaces
November 18th, 2009, 09:23 PM
You'd be surprised!

kholdstare
November 18th, 2009, 10:25 PM
Answer = Pandora One!

I like a lot of the old bands you mention, except you forgot Black Sabbath

...but honestly I think Seether is a modern day band that is just as good(legendary) as those listed, there is a lot of new music that is very, very good and not dated.
i dont kn ow why i forgot sabbath. i like them also, used to have some albums burned to my computer, but my music library was erased a while back

Shpongle
November 18th, 2009, 10:30 PM
Thievery Corporation, +1 good smoking music!

#11u-max
November 18th, 2009, 10:34 PM
let's see here...

Cake
AC/DC
Aerosmith
Lynyrd Skynyrd
Led Zepplin
Dave Matthews Band
Run DMC
Boston
Kansas
Guns 'n' Roses
Commander Cody and his Lost Planet Airmen
Sugar Ray [the older songs, not that newer crap]
Ram Jam
Eagles
Black Crowes
The Doors
Molly Hatchet
Pink Floyd
Grateful Dead
Rolling Stones
Zac Brown Band
Kenny Chesney
Brad Paisley
Rascall Flatts
Kings of Leon

long list... if i listed all of them, i'd break the forums!

koshatnik
November 18th, 2009, 10:49 PM
this is how i define "selling out." when it's the record company and not the artist controlling the sound and the art, it's no longer expression- just product. not everyone is guilty. sadly, almost everyone is eventually. i still love george harrison, i doubt he ever "sold out," but his solo work didn't impress me at all. i think he wrote the best beatles tunes. his success would be pretty undeniable- success and selling out are two different things. it sucks when people sell out, that's when (by my definition) they stop inventing, stop expressing, and start pandering.

How idealistic.

Bands are in the business of producing a product to sell. Fact. No arguments. There is nothing wrong with starting out as uncommercial and then later in your career becoming commercial. I don't know why so many people seem to think that this is some sort of betrayal. Get over yourselves.

Music listeners nowadays seem to be scared of commercialisation and pop music. Its like the ultimate evil in music, but thats such a pathetic attitude. Yeah, there is some really poor pop music about, but there is also alot of poor metal (for example) as well, but somehow its more credible to be a crap metal band than a crap pop artiste - how come? I don't understand.

All this comes down to is music listeners own innate snobbery and ill-informed ideas about what they like and what they don't like. Imposing your personal values on a commercial enterprise (ie, being in a band and selling records), is just plain stupid. Crying about it when "your" band starts selling records and having a wider fan base, (ie, "selling out") is even more pathetic.

There will always be an underground scene, and thats a good thing. There will always be a commercial scene and thats good too. The thing is, they both need each other to surive. Kill one, the other dies. Music is not static, it grows organically, from seeds sown underground, to the commercial fruit thats plucked later on. The seeds of the next tree are in the fruit. You have to eat the fruit first to get the seeds. The cycle starts again.

Its simple really. There is nothing wrong with commercialisation. It's healthy.

openuniverse
November 18th, 2009, 11:17 PM
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RATM_Owns
November 18th, 2009, 11:43 PM
I hate most mainstream music.
Which includes nu metal (bands like Slipknot, Disturbed, Linkin Park, Limp Bizkit, System of a Down) and metalcore (bands like The Dillinger Escape Plan, Bullet for My Valentine, Bring Me the Horizon, The Black Dahlia Murder).
I don't want my music to go mainstream.

Anyways:
Dying Fetus, Morbid Angel, Cryptopsy (not new album), Death, Napalm Death, Cannibal Corpse, Carcass, Rotting Christ, Deathspell Omega, Mayhem, Gorgoroth, Marduk, Meshuggah, Nile, Opeth, Suffocation, Ulcerate, Vital Remains, 1349, Atheist, Behemoth, Bloodbath, Celtic Frost, Deicide, Decapitated, Exmortus, Exodus

samjh
November 19th, 2009, 12:30 AM
I think just about everyone reckons music was better in their day.

Your grandparents probably thought the music of your generation sucked too. ;)

I personally prefer the music of the late-70s to the 90s, but there is no point ragging about "today's music". Today's kids will end up losing hope about music their kids will listen to in 20 or 30 years time.

seeker5528
November 19th, 2009, 11:10 AM
Here is some electronic/industrial type stuff that I wouldn't mind hearing more stuff on the radio like it.

http://www.archive.org/details/tbilisi89_20061116

Later, Seeker

koshatnik
November 19th, 2009, 02:35 PM
how cynical.

No, its called The Real World.



i have nothing against people making money. it's just that when it's their first priority, they tend to make things at least a little crappier than if their first priority is to do something they care about directly- not just when it affects the "bottom line."

Making money is everyones priority. If making money isnt a priority for you then you must already be insanely rich. If you aren't rich, jack your job in and burn all your cash cards and see how long you last without making money a priority.

Also, there are plenty of bands that have been commcercially aware and still made great records, so, frankly, you are talking crap. This idea that the moment you produce something commercial it becomes rubbish is ludicrous.



if you think prostitution and giving up artistic control makes better music, there's nothing i can tell you.

Hey listen, its not 18th Century France. We aren't talking about artists locked in attics painting just for the love of painting, and scoffing at people that dared to *gasp* sell their work (equivalent to prostitution in their eyes). Its not prostituting yourself at all. Its called making a living.



but that's all i was talking about. what's wrong with idealism, anyway? a little integrity never hurt anyone.

My point is, you've imposed those levels of integrity onto a band. They are YOUR values, and are thus, meaningless. The industry doesnt care, the band doesn't care, no one cares about how deeply you care about some romantic ideal regarding integrity. Integrity when it comes to business is a purely arbitrary term.

Its like working in an office doing the lowest paid job. You do really great job, work hard, have the respect of your fellow workers and are well loved outside your department. Then your big boss comes along and says "how about a 5 fold pay rise, a new office on the top floor and you don't have to work anywhere near as hard as you do now - we don't care about the quality of the work you produce as long as its acceptable thats fine with us."

How many people do you know would turn that down? I wouldn't. would I care about someone else's opinion about my integrity? No way. Bands are exactly the same.

There's only so much scrapping around doing low paid gigs a band is prepared to do before it gets boring.

Tipped OuT
November 19th, 2009, 02:45 PM
No, its called The Real World.



Making money is everyones priority. If making money isnt a priority for you then you must already be insanely rich. If you aren't rich, jack your job in and burn all your cash cards and see how long you last without making money a priority.

Also, there are plenty of bands that have been commcercially aware and still made great records, so, frankly, you are talking crap. This idea that the moment you produce something commercial it becomes rubbish is ludicrous.



Hey listen, its not 18th Century France. We aren't talking about artists locked in attics painting just for the love of painting, and scoffing at people that dared to *gasp* sell their work (equivalent to prostitution in their eyes). Its not prostituting yourself at all. Its called making a living.



My point is, you've imposed those levels of integrity onto a band. They are YOUR values, and are thus, meaningless. The industry doesnt care, the band doesn't care, no one cares about how deeply you care about some romantic ideal regarding integrity. Integrity when it comes to business is a purely arbitrary term.

Its like working in an office doing the lowest paid job. You do really great job, work hard, have the respect of your fellow workers and are well loved outside your department. Then your big boss comes along and says "how about a 5 fold pay rise, a new office on the top floor and you don't have to work anywhere near as hard as you do now - we don't care about the quality of the work you produce as long as its acceptable thats fine with us."

How many people do you know would turn that down? I wouldn't. would I care about someone else's opinion about my integrity? No way. Bands are exactly the same.

There's only so much scrapping around doing low paid gigs a band is prepared to do before it gets boring.

You're both wrong. You got one side of it, and he has the other.

Put it together and you got the correct answer.

cascade9
November 19th, 2009, 03:22 PM
Two observations:

1) Nirvana-bashing became trendy sometime in the past five years. It's kinda pathetic that no one's willing to remember the early days when Kurt and the boys were tearing down hair metal singlehandedly. To this day Unplugged in New York remains on my top ten albums of all time.

2) Screw everyone, I love rap. And not just the snooty rap that everyone says they like to prove that they're a "purist" or something. I jam out to Gucci Mane and Lil Jon all the time. Not all music has to be deep and thought-provoking. It's perfectly all right to just party once in a while.

Actually, Nirvana bashing started, ohh, not that long after Nevermind was released. But it has got more vocal, and more acceptable in the last few years. Not that amazing really, Led Zep were dismissed as bad, dinosaurs, blah blah in the 80s. Wait a few years and yesterdays heroes tend to become todays whipping boys.

As for 'selling out', yeah, OK. Depends on what you define that as. Its argueable that the sex pistols were a manufactured band, and even if they weren't, they were being used as a vechicle for McLarens ego and to sell Vivienne Westwords fashion (based mainly on BDSM). More than one contempary 'punk' band totally rejected the whole thing, in particular The Saints, who got dumped on in the UK because they made the mistake of signing to EMI, who had just dumped Sex Pistols.



The band was a full thing by 1974. Two and a half years later, this incredibly fashionable movement comes along, only an arsehole would have associated himself with that.
—Ed Kuepper

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/(I'm)_Stranded_(song)

Incidently, the Saints were one of, if not the 1st, band to release an 'independent' record (I'm Stranded, september 1976). Before Sex Pistols, The Clash, Damnned or Buzzcocks had ever recorded. IIRC, its because at the time one of the members was working in a LP pressing plant, and was getting orders from strange country and western bands for orders (for jukeboxes in country areas), and realised 'hey, we dont need a label, we can do it all overselves'

Or, you could say that Metallica sold out when they made the video for 'one'. Not that making a video was that bad, but after running around sprouting 'we will never be an MTV band, we wont make videos, metal forever' etc. its at least a major change of direction.

Personally, I think that there is alot more manufactured stuff around these days. I dont mind people making money from music, its understandable that musicians would want to earn a living from doing thier thing. But the level of market manipulation, hype, etc. these days is disgusting.

Look at all the major music movements around. Punk, as I said, because a fashion thing. Metal was played by big business, look at how the early 'f-u' metal bands slowly gave way to bad hair metal. Hip-hop/rap got turned from social commentary/'stick it to the man' of Public Enemy, Grandmaster Flash, Disposable Heroes Of Hip-Hip into some kind of gantsa-c-rap.

I'm prety sure that even Dr. Dre has made a comment along the lines of "black folks killing each other migth be edgy for white folks, but to black folks, its counter-productive". Everything gets subverted to money, when you can make the kind of cash thats possible in the music industry. IMO anyway.

Theres good music in every genre, if you want to go looking for it. Its not an easy task though, and its got a lot harder in the last few years. Dont give up on music, just get more discerning in your choices.

koshatnik
November 19th, 2009, 03:28 PM
You're both wrong. You got one side of it, and he has the other.

Put it together and you got the correct answer.

There is no correct answer.

Tipped OuT
November 19th, 2009, 03:44 PM
There is no correct answer.

Actually there is. I just told how to get it.

You have one side, he has the other, put them together, and there's your answer.

It's like you're both telling one side of the story, but only when you put it together do you get the real story.

Tristam Green
November 19th, 2009, 03:52 PM
To the person who said that Katy Perry is crap.

She's hot. Just sayin'.

koshatnik
November 19th, 2009, 04:39 PM
Actually there is. I just told how to get it.

You have one side, he has the other, put them together, and there's your answer.

It's like you're both telling one side of the story, but only when you put it together do you get the real story.

I don't agree with that. Sorry.

openuniverse
November 19th, 2009, 09:34 PM
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samirbasha
November 19th, 2009, 10:20 PM
what about this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LoM4ZZJ2UrM)! :D

cool stuff

MechaMechanism
November 19th, 2009, 10:49 PM
One thing is the CD these days is improperly mastered with extremely compressed dynamic range and that makes music sound like crap. Of course FM radio has been doing it since the 60's for valid reasons. But CD's have no need for compression except where it is deliberately part of the art. Hence a proper analog vinyl record will sometimes sound better than a poorly mastered CD. Now with all these improperly mastered CD's floating around, what you wind up with is people ripping these very same CD's to compressed formats like mp3 and uncompressed formats like flac and etc. So now we have tons of poorly mastered crap on the internet. Some people might think that purely internet distributed songs and albums might fare better, well you would be wrong because the reason for the compressed dynamic range is to compete for the listeners ear and the fact that the record companies have no control over where you will be listening.

This is why I think we should all listen to live music as much as possible. Sure mistakes can be made in live pa set-up, but still on average it's going to be better than recorded music in my opinion. And of course acoustic music sounds best live and you can even get wonderfully different experiences with acoustic depending on the venue. And sometimes it's just us old farts bitching. Enough said.

I'm not going to go through 2oo+ comments, so if anybody already said this, oh well.

MetalMusicAddict
November 19th, 2009, 11:01 PM
I hate most mainstream music.
Which includes nu metal (bands like Slipknot, Disturbed, Linkin Park, Limp Bizkit, System of a Down) and metalcore (bands like The Dillinger Escape Plan, Bullet for My Valentine, Bring Me the Horizon, The Black Dahlia Murder).
I don't want my music to go mainstream.

Anyways:
Dying Fetus, Morbid Angel, Cryptopsy (not new album), Death, Napalm Death, Cannibal Corpse, Carcass, Rotting Christ, Deathspell Omega, Mayhem, Gorgoroth, Marduk, Meshuggah, Nile, Opeth, Suffocation, Ulcerate, Vital Remains, 1349, Atheist, Behemoth, Bloodbath, Celtic Frost, Deicide, Decapitated, Exmortus, Exodus

As I personally know bands from both your lists (I did tour work for years. here's (http://www.flickr.com/photos/metalmusicaddict/3845106865) a pic with 1 you might know) you might be surprised to know that many of them are friends with each other. Influencing one another. And hell, you think any of the bands in the 2nd list wouldn't kill for the success of the 1st?

Don't gage "going mainstream" with success. As it appears your 1st group of bands does. ;)

And for the record, bands like Fetus and Suffo started the metalcore trend. ;) Of which Dillinger is most certainly not part of. \m/


To the person who said that Katy Perry is crap.

She's hot. Just sayin'.

Yes. And dammit her music is catchy. :P

openuniverse
November 20th, 2009, 01:02 AM
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upwinger
November 20th, 2009, 07:09 PM
"Good" music, like beauty, is in the ear of the beholder.:popcorn:

PryGuy
November 20th, 2009, 07:20 PM
I have lost all hope in radio music. Not the music on the internet, for there are many great choices there, or in the streets and bars of my area, just radio, if you reply, dont say "ohh just look on internet theres many" because i know, or dont say go out and look, because i do the area in which i live has many talented musicians.i want you to list you favorite bands that dont suck that you wish were on radios insted of pop rap and hip-hop.

Rush,Led Zeppelin,Pink Floyd,The Who, Jethro Tull,Primus,Iron Maiden,Jeferson Airplane,The Jimmi Hendrix Experience,Nirvana,Detente,Aerosmith,The cult,Pearl Jam,Foo Fighters,Alice in Chains. and many more like this but this should give you a general idea in the music i think should be listened to on the radio more.+1. But I'd add The Doors and removed Aerosmith from the list.

kholdstare
November 20th, 2009, 10:59 PM
+1. But I'd add The Doors and removed Aerosmith from the list.i actually just started listening to the doors,there really good, and i like aerosmith so ill keep it there.

Sin@Sin-Sacrifice
November 20th, 2009, 11:01 PM
I find this debate on selling out to be pointless. There are bands that sell out (Korn but they came back for a moment), there are bands that never get signed for fear that the corporate machine will consume them (Cyrus), there are bands that make it HUGE and never sell out (Ministry, Suicide Silence so far, Dave Matthew's, Job For A Cowboy and many more) There are bands that do music just to sell out (Anything pop, most of today's hip hop, that crap they call nu metal) and there are bands that have none of that on their minds (Sublime, Bob Marley, etc). They're all good in their own respect. I even respect country in some instances. I think the importance of music is the message and how it makes you feel. The interpretation is relative and somewhat irrelevant.

koshatnik
November 21st, 2009, 12:12 AM
Bands dont "sell out", they just make it big. So what?

SuperSonic4
November 21st, 2009, 12:19 AM
Bands dont "sell out", they just make it big. So what?

Look at Muse - their latest album is more grandiose than any other work to date -- they changed their style to sell more records

Any reasonable person would regard it as selling out

whether that's a good thing or a bad thing depends on individual circumstances but it remains selling out

Chris Edgell
November 21st, 2009, 06:00 AM
I have enjoyed reading this thread. I find it hard to understand the couple of times rude and/or ignorant behavior flared up. I can't think of the time or two, but I got a glimpse of how things can get causing a thread to be shut down. Luckily we pulled through in quite civilized ways.

I had been wondering what types of subjects could be raised for conversational pleasure around the water cooler or wherever we ARE. I thought this was an interesting and vulnerable statement and I liked, for the most part, how it goes.

I did wonder just how old you are, Kholdstare, based on your comment to Funkbomb, when he said that he gave up on radio music in 1995 and you said, "It would have been hard to give up hope the year I was born"--or words to that effect--or am I wrong. If you ARE 14, I'm impressed that you loved that classic rock of some groups you mentioned. (Am I wrong here?)

I really FELT for Kholdstare, that, after he clarified over and over that he had originally NOT made it clear that he had given up hope on RADIO music--NOT music in generally. Maybe I only saw it so clearly because I started from the beginning and read straight through--but I had the advantage of seeing the edit on the original post making this point really clear....and he finally got aggravated by people not considering that distinction as they made their points.

But, besides all that, I did enjoy thinking through so many lines of thought, especially with Koshatnik and OpenUniverse, with a little Tipped Out thrown in.

I do remember those time I would drive out of Chicago, get my head right, cruise along listening to the radio and after about 60 miles I would remember how bad radio can get as I got further away from the "big city". After a time or two I remembered to take my favorite tapes. It was bad enough going to Battle Creek, but nearly unbearable going to Dallas.

I did like this: (wish I had jotted down the name of the author, really caught the spirit the thread had gotten into at that point)......
"i haven't seen a painting that didn't suck since the mona lisa!" "oh wow you like davinci? talk about crappy mainstream italian masterpieces!" "oh yeah, i bet you have starry night on your desktop!" "oh well look who's talking, mrs. jasper johns!" ...just so long as we can all agree that loser painting soup cans is a talentless hack, we can all get along.

I also liked it when the one person presented a long list and Kholdstart said: "There, someone finally did what I asked in the first place." I think he was looking for some new, good music to check out.

There.

hoppipolla
November 21st, 2009, 06:06 AM
Look at Muse - their latest album is more grandiose than any other work to date -- they changed their style to sell more records

Any reasonable person would regard it as selling out

whether that's a good thing or a bad thing depends on individual circumstances but it remains selling out

yeah, "selling out" is a different concept to just "making it big". If you "sell out" it's more to do with the money you make or the number of units you sell or the fans you gain than the quality or integrity of your work.

garikaib
November 21st, 2009, 06:15 AM
We all have our likes and dislikes I suppose.

koshatnik
November 21st, 2009, 10:19 AM
Look at Muse - their latest album is more grandiose than any other work to date -- they changed their style to sell more records

Any reasonable person would regard it as selling out

whether that's a good thing or a bad thing depends on individual circumstances but it remains selling out

It's like talking to a brick wall.

You have imposed those values on the band. They have not "sold out". Muse were always in the business of selling records. Now they sell more. They sell more because they have worked hard to build a following. As a band grows, its music changes. That is not selling out.

Like I have said, selling out is a phrase used by disgruntled fans and by jealous bands that havent made it to describe artists that have become popular. Becoming popular does not make your music any less artistically worthy. This equation that you can only make great music if you don't "sell out" is utter crap.

Where do you guys get your warped ideas from? It sounds so teenage. Lighten up and just listen to what you like. If you don't like a band after they made it, thats your problem not theirs. It's not a betrayal, its your problem to deal with.

SuperSonic4
November 21st, 2009, 02:16 PM
If you don't like a band after they made it, thats your problem not theirs. It's not a betrayal, its your problem to deal with.

Which links back to the OP. Bands changed their style and that style is worse. Hence the OP has lost hope in today's music

Tipped OuT
November 21st, 2009, 03:08 PM
+1. But I'd add The Doors and removed Aerosmith from the list.


You know the day destroys the night, night divides the day. You try to run! You try to hide! Break on through, through the other side! Break on through, through the other side! Break on through, through the other side, ya.
+1

I like this band too.

Groucho Marxist
November 21st, 2009, 05:49 PM
I have lost all hope in radio music. Not the music on the internet, for there are many great choices there, or in the streets and bars of my area, just radio, if you reply, dont say "ohh just look on internet theres many" because i know, or dont say go out and look, because i do the area in which i live has many talented musicians.i want you to list you favorite bands that dont suck that you wish were on radios insted of pop rap and hip-hop.

Rush,Led Zeppelin,Pink Floyd,The Who, Jethro Tull,Primus,Iron Maiden,Jeferson Airplane,The Jimmi Hendrix Experience,Nirvana,Detente,Aerosmith,The cult,Pearl Jam,Foo Fighters,Alice in Chains. and many more like this but this should give you a general idea in the music i think should be listened to on the radio more.

I'm definitely going to be programming Led Zeppelin into my college's AAA-formated second radio station in the event that I get the executive staff position I'm seeking.

SuperSonic4
November 21st, 2009, 05:54 PM
I'm definitely going to be programming Led Zeppelin into my college's AAA-formated second radio station in the event that I get the executive staff position I'm seeking.

Actions like this are what I dream of when at work.

seeker5528
November 22nd, 2009, 12:35 AM
Bands dont "sell out", they just make it big. So what?

As a fan it can be hard to know if an artist sold out or not.

I would define selling out as:

A: The artist doing want a record label, producer, etc... wants instead of what they want.

B: Fail to uphold some level of artistic integrity when it comes to what they think will sell verses what their heart tells them to do.

An artist can make adjustments in an attempt to make something appeal to a wider audience without going against what their heart tells them, that's a different thing than just going after the money.

If an artist has always created base on what others dictate or what they think will sell, you can't really say they sold out if they continue to do the same thing.

Also, artists are people and people change, as they change their creative inspirations change as well. Just because the music changes doesn't mean they sold out. You don't always know if artistic differences in the music are the result of changes in the way the artists think or feel about stuff or if they are kowtowing to the labels, producers, etc... or just going after the money.

In the case of producers, different artists will have different relationships with different producers. A producer could be anything from a sounding board to throw ideas off of, to an artistic partner, to taking control over what does or doesn't make it into a release.

So pairing the artists with the right producers is an important factor that could significantly impact the end result without necessarily meaning the artist sold out. It might just mean they ended up with a better or worse producer on a particular release or series of releases.

Maybe in some cases the well just dried up and they are struggling creatively.

Later, Seeker

Chris Edgell
November 22nd, 2009, 02:22 AM
Very well defined. It IS hard to know who retains how much freedom. We had a LOT of freedom "back in the day", I think it is quite a bit more "hard ball" these days. Or "...twas always thus, and always thus will be."

kholdstare
November 22nd, 2009, 05:38 AM
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I did wonder just how old you are, Kholdstare, based on your comment to Funkbomb, when he said that he gave up on radio music in 1995 and you said, "It would have been hard to give up hope the year I was born"--or words to that effect--or am I wrong. If you ARE 14, I'm impressed that you loved that classic rock of some groups you mentioned. (Am I wrong here?)
yeah im 14

Chris Edgell
November 22nd, 2009, 02:09 PM
It was the last cry of individual man, the last movement among the masses on behalf of individuual liberty, the last hope of living unregulated, the last fist shaken against the encroaching State, before the State, the party, the union, the organization closed in. Written by Barbara Tuchman in The Proud Tower

Sometimes that's how I feel about the freedom we had after the British Invasion, as concerns music in particular and life in general. We were at least singing our Welcome to the Machine and trying to Imagine a better way after being Too Long in Exile.
I know this is dramatic but I wish to post it can you dig it?

I have a friend from India who came to Chicago six months ago...and about freedom she says it's something, "You can just feel it in the air." Now even though I am also feeling our loss of freedom since back in the day...she still feels the good stuff. It helps me to feel it too, and to honor and revere the freedom we still enjoy. Hey you, don't help them to bury the light...don't give in without a fight. (We all know who said that--well if you don't, it's Pink Floyd)

So I still love 14-year-olds who love that old time rock and roll, who feel the difference in their bones as my friend from India does.

Digikid
November 22nd, 2009, 03:28 PM
People of this generation know nothing about REAL and GOOD music IMHO.

Rap, Heavy Rock, Rock......YUCK. I could bang two pots together and have the same effect. All they talk about is sex sex sex and violence....and that is IF you can even make out the lyrics. All that screaming music.....ugh I hope their throats close up forever. ( e.g. Rob Zombie ). Just horrible and satanic.

You want REAL music....music that actually MEANS something and is true? Country and Classical and Instrumental....now THAT is real music.

Sry if anyone disagrees with me. That is my opinion and I am sticking to it.

SuperSonic4
November 22nd, 2009, 05:36 PM
People of this generation know nothing about REAL and GOOD music IMHO.

Rap, Heavy Rock, Rock......YUCK. I could bang two pots together and have the same effect. All they talk about is sex sex sex and violence....and that is IF you can even make out the lyrics. All that screaming music.....ugh I hope their throats close up forever. ( e.g. Rob Zombie ). Just horrible and satanic.

You want REAL music....music that actually MEANS something and is true? Country and Classical and Instrumental....now THAT is real music.

Sry if anyone disagrees with me. That is my opinion and I am sticking to it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AmeUt1lPTOU - get your kitchen utensils out then.

supermelon928
November 22nd, 2009, 06:00 PM
Rush,Led Zeppelin,Pink Floyd,The Who, Jethro Tull,Primus,Iron Maiden,Jeferson Airplane,The Jimmi Hendrix Experience,Nirvana,Detente,Aerosmith,The cult,Pearl Jam,Foo Fighters,Alice in Chains. and many more like this but this should give you a general idea in the music i think should be listened to on the radio more.

the radio is for new music. you're experiencing generational culture shock.

RaZe42
November 24th, 2009, 01:42 PM
You want REAL music....music that actually MEANS something and is true? Country and Classical and Instrumental....now THAT is real music.


Ever listened to post-rock? >.>

MelDJ
November 24th, 2009, 01:44 PM
i agree with the OP. the music on radio these days aren't good and are repeated at least ten times every 5 hours

etnlIcarus
November 24th, 2009, 03:51 PM
Music rarely, "means", anything and people who attempt to infer meaning from lyrics, are participating in little more than an auditory Rorschach test. On the odd occasion when an artist does have a finite meaning for their lyrics in-mind, the resulting product is invariably cheap, trite, mediocre, or an obfuscated act of sophistry. As for the more general meaning to be found in music, anthropological and sociological insights can be found but conclusions will be mostly elaboration and inference. People who purport that the personal significance they attach to a given work, constitutes any kind of objective metric upon which to judge or criticise music, are really only denigrating themselves and setting impossible standards for artform, itself.

Add an obligatory-yet-undoubtedly-ignored, "in my opinion", up ^ there ^, somewhere.

FTR, I mostly listen to the various electronic sub-genres, jazz and classical. I mostly appreciate their experimentalism, organism and instrumental utility, somewhat respectively. Only listen late at night, where music serves to distract me from my thoughts and at least give me some hope that I might sleep. Can't listen to anything for more than 10 minutes during daylight hours; ideally, my days are filled with silence.

I also don't know why I'm reading or posting in this thread, since I despise discussing music. <.<

MLX
November 30th, 2009, 05:11 PM
I was fortunate to grow up during the time when there was such awesome music on the radio. The Beatles, Cream, Pink Floyd, Rush, Van Halen Led Zeppelin and on and on.....
There have been some other pretty good bands through the years but I really thought that the best of Rock was behind us and I gave up looking for new music.
A few weeks ago I stumbled on a band named Porcupine Tree. I listened to their CD named Stupid Dream. I can't stop listening to this band they are fantastic. The way that they layer sounds and use harmony is very appealing. Their music is the type that needs to be listened to as a complete CD and not individual songs in the same way that you need to listen to "Wish You Were Here" "Dark Side of the Moon" or "Abbey Road". If you have not heard this band before do your self a favor and PURCHASE some Porcupine Tree music. I recommend starting with Stupid Dream. Their later stuff leans a more toward the metal side and the earlier stuff is more instrumental and acoustic but it is all good. Cheers!

PuddingKnife
November 30th, 2009, 05:35 PM
Phish is having one of the best tours of their entire career right now.

I have a rejuvenated sense of hope in todays music. Throw in some Girl Talk, Muse, Kid Cudi, Raphael Saadiq, Ray LaMontagne, Fun, Immortal Technique, Flaming Lips, Sue George and you've got yourself a nice mix of tunes flying at your brain.

nothingspecial
November 30th, 2009, 08:57 PM
No no, do not worry, for on Jamendo yesterday I discovered the True Metal Of Steel.

NanowaR (http://www.jamendo.com/en/artist/nanowar)

koshatnik
November 30th, 2009, 10:28 PM
As a fan it can be hard to know if an artist sold out or not.

I would define selling out as:

A: The artist doing want a record label, producer, etc... wants instead of what they want.

As soon as you sign to a label, you are are told what to do by the record company. They own you, you do what that say, ie, sell records.



B: Fail to uphold some level of artistic integrity when it comes to what they think will sell verses what their heart tells them to do.



Eh? Thats you making an assumption and value statement. Bands do what they are told, unless you are someone like Marillion or David Sylvian, who left their labels voluntarily and got financial backing from their fans to sponsor records, and did the music they wanted to do, away from the pressures of music execs.

But don't kid yourself otherwise - all bands are at the whim of their record label. So, selling out starts as soon as you sign to a label. Not that bands do sell out, as I've already said. There's no such thing.

No such thing as artistic integrity either. Not in a capitalist society.

oldsoundguy
November 30th, 2009, 11:52 PM
Too many of the comments here are by people that are totally CLUELESS about anything music except for their narrow "I know what I like and everything else is trash" opinions.

And so many are way off base about "selling out" (which, to some, means all of a sudden some mass appeal.)
Children, you have to realize a musician is like anyone else. They have to eat and pay the rent and keep clothes on their back, and, if they have a family, PROVIDE for that family.
Yet alone, purchase some VERY expensive gear in order to perform .. and the budget for sound and lights and personnel to run that equipment and assist in transportation and set up. Roadies won't work for free because they have to eat, too!
They can not LIVE on giving free concerts for a few zonked out "fans". Nor continue to toss their efforts onto the web for free downloading.
It takes years of practice, work and touring to make a long term act (not a one hit wonder).

As to radio, in the US you PAY to have your material played on the radio .. yes it is ILLEGAL, but it is done right out in the open.
Average cost of getting ONE TRACK from a CD played on the chain of radio stations run by a programming service is between 200-300 grand for a 6 week run.
(Why you never hear acts such as Dream Theater and some others or many European acts on US radio unless their record goes platinum.)

So, IF you don't like what you hear over the airwaves, DON'T LISTEN, and thus don't buy the advertised products!

Arthur_D
December 1st, 2009, 12:49 AM
Unfortunately, the poster above me is sadly correct.
I'm just a hobbyist, but musical instruments tend to not drop much in price over the years, so buying some decent gear costs a lot of cash. So much that I can understand that some artists/bands somewhat give up their own musical originality in order to get the financial part covered.

seeker5528
December 1st, 2009, 01:58 AM
As soon as you sign to a label, you are are told what to do by the record company. They own you, you do what that say, ie, sell records.

While that is something that is often true, that's not something you can assume to be true. It depends on the record label, the artist, and what kind of deal the person working on behalf of the record label is able/willing to work out with the artist, and whether the artist creates their own material as opposed the performing stuff that was created by others could make a huge difference as well.

For artists that are playing in bars and clubs and living hand to mouth, who get approached by a representative of a major label with dreams of being made stars, the temptation to sign their life away at the expense of creative freedom is huge, the music industry eats people up and spits out the remains, that's the way it has always been.

Artists still have choices, one of those choices will be deciding what is of primary importance to them, the creation of the music or becoming a star, the artist has to live with the consequences of whatever choices they make, so it is up to them either to fight for their own self interest or find someone who can fight on their behalf.

What does it profit a person to gain the world if they lose their soul?

Later, Seeker