GNOME 3 pushed to Sept. 2010

[kevCast]

http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.comp.gnome.devel.announce/60

Haters rejoice.

[z0mbie]

Glad, I think it needs a bit more time. I'm pretty certian the first adoption will be as harsh as KDE 4, but I think that's expected.

[wersdaluv]

Cool

[23meg]

Haters rejoice.

Right, let's evoke even more unnecessary hatred over a decision that was stated to be well within the bounds of possibility in the GNOME 3 release plan (http://live.gnome.org/ThreePointZero/Plan) months ago:


Of course, we should be prepared to consider the fact that GNOME 2.30 might not be good enough for us to call it 3.0. All of our time-based releases are also quality-based releases: if the QA Team feels a release should be delayed, then it will be delayed. In the context of 3.0, this is something that we should be ready to diagnose early on during the 2.29 development cycle and we should not be afraid of keeping GNOME 2.30 as 2.30 and waiting for GNOME 2.32 for the 3.0 release, for example. That being said, we want the community to try as hard as possible to make "GNOME 2.30 = GNOME 3.0" a success.

[Bungo Pony]

Fine by me. It'll be stable by the time the LTS version of Ubuntu following it is released.

[RiceMonster]

Probably for the better to give themselves more time to get it ready rather than rushing to meet a deadline. The end result will probably mean something better.

[-grubby]

Probably for the better to give themselves more time to get it ready rather than rushing to meat a deadline. The end result will probably mean something better.


give themselves more time to get it ready rather than rushing to meat a deadline.


rushing to meat a deadline.


meat a deadline.


meat deadline.

I've just wanted to do the quote diminishing over time thing.

[ddarsow]

Glad to hear it, as it currently exists Gnome 3 is simply too far off track.

[tubezninja]

I've just wanted to do the quote diminishing over time thing.

SOOOO meaty...

[kevCast]

Right, let's evoke even more unnecessary hatred over a decision that was stated to be well within the bounds of possibility in the GNOME 3 release plan (http://live.gnome.org/ThreePointZero/Plan) months ago:
Hold on, I'll edit my original post. Text is a difficult thing to interpret, and inflection in my head probably doesn't sound the same in yours.

[RiceMonster]

I've just wanted to do the quote diminishing over time thing.

lol I didn't even notice I did that

[Irihapeti]

There's something wrong with me: I just can't get excited over ANY desktop environment/window manager.

/hides in shame

[kevCast]

There's something wrong with me: I just can't get excited over ANY desktop environment/window manager.

/hides in shame
Xmonad and KDE are about all I get pumped for anymore.

[praveesh]

Fine . So the next LTS would be rock solid .

I think they are planning for a de better than kde 4

[cariboo]

Are you talking about the LTS release in 12.04? If you are talking about Lucid, there never was a plan to include Gnome 3 in that release.

[praveesh]

Are you talking about the LTS release in 12.04? If you are talking about Lucid, there never was a plan to include Gnome 3 in that release.

my mistake.

[Pasdar]

Glad, I think it needs a bit more time. I'm pretty certian the first adoption will be as harsh as KDE 4, but I think that's expected.

Yeah I'm sure adding a menu to the left side of this (this is not even vanilla GNOME, which is even emptier than the Ubuntu look):

http://www.tuxradar.com/files/LXF126.rev_gnome1.png

Will cause the major bugs that were there because of KDE changing from this:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/18/Konqueror_3.5.9_KDE_3.5.x_Debian_lennysid_homepage _ru.png

to this:
http://www.minatica.be/downloads/kde-desktop_Ke1.png

while having rewritten EVERYTHING at the same time in record time with no delay. :rolleyes:

[Keyper7]

Yeah I'm sure adding a menu to the left side (...)

Sigh...

You didn't even try to inform yourself about Gnome 3, did you?

[Pasdar]

Sigh...

You didn't even try to inform yourself about Gnome 3, did you?

Could you please sum up the additions in a point by point list? Did I forget they're adding the compiz code and calling it something else.

[Keyper7]

Could you please sum up the additions in a point by point list?

So I should work to compensate for your laziness?

I'll pass, thank you. Google exists for a reason.


Did I forget they're adding the compiz code and calling it something else.

[citation needed]

Lying won't get you anywhere.

[Pasdar]

I've read enough to know all we're getting is a menu on the left with compiz integrated basically... nothing else. If there is anything else, feel free to mention it...

[HappinessNow]

Awesome news, glad to hear they are taking more time to get it right.

[23meg]

I've read enough to know all we're getting is a menu on the left with compiz integrated basically... nothing else. If there is anything else, feel free to mention it...

http://live.gnome.org/ThreePointZero/Plan

(Fastest edit ever.)

[Pasdar]

http://live.gnome.org/ThreePointZero/Plan

(Fastest edit ever.)
That is a lot of text just to say,
* We will continue developing GNOME like we used to, plus:
* we will add a new way of theming

That plus the menu thing is all the desktop user will notice.

[Keyper7]

I've read enough

No, you didn't.


to know all we're getting is a menu on the left with compiz integrated basically... nothing else. If there is anything else, feel free to mention it...

Anything else is not really the expression, because what you did say is completely wrong. As a matter of fact, I have absolutely no idea where you took this, as five seconds reading the Gnome 3.0 roadmap show you wrong.

But since your ignorance seems honest and not just for the sake of trolling, I'll mention some important points.

- Major cleanup of Gtk with the definitive removal of deprecated symbols. The Gnome team has been preparing for this for a long time (with deprecation warnings such as the ones given by Python 2.6), but for third party applications who have not been keeping up with the times, this might mean major API breakage. A good price to pay, though, as it will make Gtk3 leaner and cleaner.

- Friendly environment for the inclusion of new technologies such as clutter and libchamplain. Clutter is an example of technology that can be a major game-changer in future Gnome application development.

- Major cleanup of the entire Gnome library ecosystem through Project Ridley, which aims to rewrite and incorporate into Gtk several unmaintained and buggy libraries. This will cause massive backwards incompatibilities with third-party apps that are not keeping up with the times and will require rethinking of several core components (ex: Evolution and gnome-panel heavily depend on Bonobo, which is going to be 100% deprecated). Definitely a worthy effort, though, as it will make life easier for both developers and users in the long run.

- Development of a brand new journaling engine (Gnome Zeitgeist) with the intent of making a deep integration with desktop usage that takes the ideas of apps such as Gnome-Do one step further. This is supposed to be a first step in redefining the user experience by making it activity-based instead of filesystem-based.

- And finally, gnome-shell. Much more than the simple addition of a menu, this is a project that aims to replace three core components at once: the desktop, the panel and the window manager and be heavily integrated with the aforementioned activity-based interaction. And they are pretty much taking no code from Compiz at all. The window manager is Mutter, a version of Metacity rewritten in the previously mentioned Clutter toolkit.

[Sashin]

As soon as this has settled its going to be awesome. Although I don't like gnome-shell in its current state since it takes away the wobbly windows, cube etc.

[SunnyRabbiera]

Probably for the better to give themselves more time to get it ready rather than rushing to meet a deadline. The end result will probably mean something better.

This I agree with, because for me I feel KDE4 was rushed so thats why I feel it was so bad for so long.
If they dont rush it things will probably be good.

[23meg]

That is a lot of text just to say,
* We will continue developing GNOME like we used to, plus:
* we will add a new way of theming

That plus the menu thing is all the desktop user will notice.

In an effort to counter misinformation through selective reading of facts, I recommend everyone who read the above lines to actually read http://live.gnome.org/ThreePointZero/Plan.

[Keyper7]

In an effort to counter misinformation through selective reading of facts, I recommend everyone who read the above lines to actually read http://live.gnome.org/ThreePointZero/Plan.

Give the massive flood of (misleading) Gnome3/Gnome-Shell related posts in the last days, I'd say this link deservers to be a sticky.