While the forums were down.

[cariboo]

While the forums were down earlier this morning, I had a look over at slashdot, and found this (http://www.stuff.co.nz/dominion-post/national/2987821/Save-the-planet-eat-a-dog) article. Has any one else seen it? it kind of goes along with the CO2 discussion last week.

[Frak]

The Earth will have to take a hit for the team. Like hell I'd do that.

[samh785]

What's the carbon footprint of a single human? Much much much much more than any dog. :P

[bodyharvester]

that tickled me a little. My cat is worth more than a plasma TV, depending on his mood, of course ;)
What i wonder is the "carbon footprint" of that article...

[PostChache]

What's the carbon footprint of a single human? Much much much much more than any dog. :P
They should have talked about having children instead about owning pets!

[t0p]

They should have talked about having children instead about owning pets!

Damn straight! My dog may live 15 years if she's really (un)lucky. She doesn't need rides to school or friends' houses or whatever. She only watches TV if I'm watching something. She doesn't wear clothes other than her collar. She doesn't demand demand DEMAND stuff all the time. My dog is sooo green, compared to them grey smokin' children!

If we replaced each child in the world with a dog, the world would be saved. I think we should do it. I'll start working on it tonight if anyone else is with me...

[JDShu]

If we replaced each child in the world with a dog, the world would be saved. I think we should do it. I'll start working on it tonight if anyone else is with me...

LOL though that kinda defeats the purpose of saving the world. I don't think most of us care so about the planet that we live on so much as our race's survival in the short term :P

[schauerlich]

Shouldn't a mod know better than to start a political discussion? Tsk tsk.

[TheLions]

If we replaced each child in the world with a dog, the world would be saved. I think we should do it. I'll start working on it tonight if anyone else is with me...

Earth filled with dogs! NOoooooooooo!

:lolflag:

[i prefer cats...]

[cariboo]

Shouldn't a mod know better than to start a political discussion? Tsk tsk.

You're the only one to bring up politics so far. :)

[wilee-nilee]

Although the article is interesting it leaves out the research of people living longer and happier lives due to owning a pet. Although living longer makes your personal footprint larger.

[Giant Speck]

And what about the carbon footprint of the pet owners? Should we be eating them, as well?

[magmon]

I believe global warming is crap. The earth has super heated and super cooled in cycles for thousands of years. We aren't doing this, it is.

[schauerlich]

You're the only one to bring up politics so far. :)


I believe global warming is crap. The earth has super heated and super cooled in cycles for thousands of years. We aren't doing this, it is.

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[Skripka]

I believe global warming is crap. The earth has super heated and super cooled in cycles for thousands of years. We aren't doing this, it is.

That's Bill Cl*nton's fault.

[FuturePilot]

I believe global warming is crap. The earth has super heated and super cooled in cycles for thousands of years. We aren't doing this, it is.

OMG someone who believes the same thing I do!

*excited*

[magmon]

That's Bill Cl*nton's fault.

The ice age happened before humans, let alone Clinton.

I win.

@ Pilot, woo!

And to revise myself slightly, it's been millions of years xD.

[forrestcupp]

So the earth was destroying itself by supporting living creatures long before man made machines? Global warming is a farce, and that is a sentiment supported by thousands of scientists who are not afraid to not ride the bandwagon.

This is reminiscent of some of the many discussions we used to fight about in the Backyard.

[jamieleshaw]

Either way is yet to be proven, as there is valid scientific data, to indicate both ways.
Much more sciency stuff to do yet, before we can know for certain, although it has been proven that co2 does affect the atmosphere, if we should be concerend about anything it's methane, because Ice glaciers contain alot of methane, when they melt methane is released speeding up the process, methane is worse than co2.

Regardless of whether or not humans have a significant impact or not is yet to be proven,
however, the fact that the climate is changing is the problem regardless of the source. e.g(Major locations being flooded, London is already struggling with this, as well as many smaller islands.)

[jamieleshaw]

Either way is yet to be proven, as there is valid scientific data, to indicate both ways.
Much more sciency stuff to do yet, before we can know for certain, although it has been proven that co2 does affect the atmosphere, if we should be concerend about anything it's methane, because Ice glaciers contain alot of methane, when they melt methane is released speeding up the process, methane is worse than co2.

Regardless of whether or not humans have a significant impact or not is yet to be proven,
however, the fact that the climate is changing is the problem regardless of the source. e.g(Major locations being flooded, London is already struggling with this, as well as many smaller islands.)
Personally I support the idea that were having a significant affect mainly because the majority of creditable scientists especially those specialising on the matter do say we are having a major affect on the climate.

[Skripka]

The ice age happened before humans, let alone Clinton.

I win.

@ Pilot, woo!

And to revise myself slightly, it's been millions of years xD.

It doesn't matter. It is STILL Cl*nton's fault.

[mkendall]

I don't know, there are a few neighborhood annoyances that I think would go well with some roasted potatoes and a salad.

[Marlonsm]

OMG someone who believes the same thing I do!

*excited*

You're not the only ones.
I think we should reduce carbon emissions to make the air cleaner for us and to reduce the formation of acid rains. It doesn't increase the planet's temperature alone, the warming is just natural.
If we do influence it, it's by a very small amount, I've even seen a theory that says we are actually cooling the planet because of the smoke blocking the sun, while I think it's exaggerated, it's not completely wrong.

[jamieleshaw]

Here is some good sceptic points

SCEPTIC VIEW
Here are some of the arguments of those who cast doubt on mankind's responsibility for climate change, and beneath each a response by the Hadley Centre of Britain's Meteorological Office, its official centre for climate change research.
1. Temperatures dropped for several decades after 1945, despite rising carbon dioxide emissions
*** Along with carbon dioxide, fossil fuels also release particles called aerosols, which cool the climate by reflecting sunlight. Aerosols dominated the warming effect of CO2 prior to clean-air acts of the 1960s and 1970s.
2. Carbon dioxide concentrations in the atmosphere lag temperature rises in an ice core record dating back 600,000 years.
*** Over the past several hundred thousand years, changes in the earth's orbit around the sun led to temperature changes, which in turn affected CO2 levels.
Concentrations of C02 are higher than they had been during the past 600,000 years. The counter-effect is that human-induced increases of C02, such as factory emissions, have enhanced the greenhouse effect and led to warming.
3. Changes in solar activity also produce good correlations with temperature change.
*** There are many factors which may contribute to climate change. Satellite measurements showed no big change in solar heating in the last three decades of the 20th century. CO2 has been shown to have caused most warming in the past 50 years.
4. Rising temperatures in the second half of the last century have plateaued in the past 10 years.
*** 1998 was extremely warm due to the weather anomaly El Nino warming the Pacific Ocean, and subsequent years were colder. Ten years is too short a period to see long-term trends. While the World Meteorological Organization says 1998 was the warmest year since records began 150 years ago, NASA says 2005 was warmer.

[wilee-nilee]

Nothing like taking one side or the other in being kept from a more inclusive view. Rigidity is not a very admirable trait ;)

[jamieleshaw]

Nothing like taking one side or the other in being kept from a more inclusive view. Rigidity is not a very admirable trait ;)

I'm a little confused.
What is Rigidity?

[wilee-nilee]

I'm a little confused.
What is Rigidity?

Straight from the dictionary Rigidity Rigidity Ri*gid"i*ty, n. [L. rigiditas: cf. F. rigidit['e]. See Rigid.] 1. The quality or state of being rigid; want of pliability; the quality of resisting change of form; the amount of resistance with which a body opposes change of form; -- opposed to flexibility, ductility, malleability, and softness. [1913 Webster] 2. Stiffness of appearance or manner; want of ease or elegance. --Sir H. Wotton. [1913 Webster] 3. Severity; rigor. [Obs. orR.] --Bp. Burnet. [1913 Webster] Syn: Stiffness; rigidness; inflexibility. [1913 Webster] -- From The Collaborative International Dictionary of English v.0.48 In this context it is having a one sided view.

[jamieleshaw]

I don't have a firm view on the topic as it could easily go either way.

[Tipped OuT]

Doesn't C02 have to do something with Asthma too?

[jamieleshaw]

Doesn't C02 have to do something with Asthma too?
Yes it does. I can't remember why.

[sailthesea]

I voted for the Linux washing machine, tutted and facepalmed at the the whole Ice age/global warming thing then realised Yes the forums were down the other day
What happened?