WTF!!!!! They lied to us!! Meanies

[Virogenesis]

Yes thats correct we have been lied to again this time by both ATI and Nvidia.
Read the story about HDCP scam (http://www.firingsquad.com/hardware/ati_nvidia_hdcp_support/)
I've known both ATI and Nvidia lie to us all the time with their tweaked drivers.
Well now its basicaly worse its something I'd expect off of the likes of Microsoft and Ebay.
But yeah go have a read

[TechSonic]

VIA Unicrom My friend, Unicrom.

[BoyOfDestiny]

Yes thats correct we have been lied to again this time by both ATI and Nvidia.
Read the story about HDCP scam (http://www.firingsquad.com/hardware/ati_nvidia_hdcp_support/)
I've known both ATI and Nvidia lie to us all the time with their tweaked drivers.
Well now its basicaly worse its something I'd expect off of the likes of Microsoft and Ebay.
But yeah go have a read

Hmm, judging from the article it means current ati and nvidia cards don't work with HDCP... Am I the only one who is glad?

[TechSonic]

nope :)

[stoeptegel]

I don't want any copy protection near me anyway. But this is serious wrong advertising, i agree.

[bonzodog]

well surely this only applies to those stupid enough to run Windows Vista? Linux will never recognise copy protection like that, so we need not worry, the movies will play just fine as long as HD/Blue-ray support is compiled into the kernel. As long as you do not use windows vista, you will be fine.

[nocturn]

Yes thats correct we have been lied to again this time by both ATI and Nvidia.
Read the story about HDCP scam (http://www.firingsquad.com/hardware/ati_nvidia_hdcp_support/)
I've known both ATI and Nvidia lie to us all the time with their tweaked drivers.
Well now its basicaly worse its something I'd expect off of the likes of Microsoft and Ebay.
But yeah go have a read

AFAIK, this affects Windows (Vista) only, so it doesn't really bother me as I don't use Windows...

[lleb]

HDCP stands for High-bandwidth Digital Content Protection and is an Intel-initiated program that was developed with Silicon Image. This content protection system

sounds a lot like MS is trying to FORCE hardware recognition "protection" to force only specific OSs, hardware, and "registered' software to run on a computer. in other words more of the same **** that MS has been trying to get pushed through for the last decade to end the growing power of the open source community mainly Linux.

[jdodson]

use cards that support open standards that have 3D implementations in the kernel. sure your not going to get 50,000 FPS, but at least you know that "the man" is not implemented in your driver.

thats the game you play when you propretary, you get burned. this might be a vista issue only for now, but as the GNU/Linux system gains popularity, the man will try to hook into our system too. Some people will let the man in because they want convience, others will fight it.

[SuperDiscoMachine V.5.7-3]

well surely this only applies to those stupid enough to run Windows Vista? Linux will never recognise copy protection like that, so we need not worry, the movies will play just fine as long as HD/Blue-ray support is compiled into the kernel. As long as you do not use windows vista, you will be fine.
Bull. HD/Blue-ray discs that require HDCP simply won't work in HD mode if HDCP isn't available, whether you run Vista, Linux, Bsd, zeta, or whatever.

[mohapi]

OP: You mean something else might not work with Vista? Surprise, surprise.

I wouldn't touch Vista for at least a year, maybe even 18 months after its released. I just don't believe Microsoft will get all its bugs ironed out before its marketing department makes them release it. [-(

I remember when XP came out, and it didn't do most of what it was supposed to. Hell, it's what, two or three years old now? and it still doesn't do what it's supposed to. For me, at least. I'm still trying to figure out why the touchpad on one of my laptops only works every other boot.

The real shame is, if you buy a computer from Dell or another big name in six months or so, you'll get Vista and not XP SP2. Best of luck with that. ... :-k

(Sorry, I'm in a kind of a pssiy mood today.)

[Bandit]

Hmm, judging from the article it means current ati and nvidia cards don't work with HDCP... Am I the only one who is glad?
I am happy they dont either.
I dont want this crap interfering with my linux system, nor do I give a rats *** about windows. The more anti HDCP support I see, the happier I am.

[imagine]

What is HDCP?
[...]
This content protection system is mandatory for high-definition playback of HD-DVD or Blu-Ray discs. If you want to watch movies at 1980x1080, your system will need to support HDCP.
To me the article looks as if it wanted to make you believe there would technical reasons for HDCP. That's not true. You can watch movies at 1980x1080 or at any other resolution without HDCP just fine.

But ok, if you buy protected movies, if you support Direct Restriction Management technologies, which then force you to buy new video cards, new monitors, new drives, new operating systems, if you use your money to get rid of your own possibilities to copy movies or to watch them at the full resolution, if you like to support the MAFIA or if you simply want to make yourself addicted to proprietary stuff (AACS, Vista), *then* the above quote may be true for you.

[BWF89]

use cards that support open standards that have 3D implementations in the kernel. sure your not going to get 50,000 FPS, but at least you know that "the man" is not implemented in your driver.
What cards are those?

And where can I get a PC with an AMD 64 processor and one of those open standards cards built in that runs decently?

[Bandit]

What cards are those?

And where can I get a PC with an AMD 64 processor and one of those open standards cards built in that runs decently?
Check out X.org's compatability list. ;)

[xequence]

I am totally scared to death of windows vista.

Why? Because DRM is horrible. I will not use any DRMed format.

[raublekick]

Check out X.org's compatability list. ;)

Where can one find this list?

[mstlyevil]

It is amazing that people are griping about current video cards not supporting a format that is not released to the general public yet. It is wrong for them to have promised it but I am not going to lose any sleep over it since I do not own a HD monitor nor can I afford one for quite some time.

[TechSonic]

This all sounds like a bunch of horse pucky to me. ATI and nVidia just need to keep floating the same old turd for now. This HD technology should be left to the home entertainment centers. Your computer is a computer, not Block Buster.

[Bandit]

This all sounds like a bunch of horse pucky to me. ATI and nVidia just need to keep floating the same old turd for now. This HD technology should be left to the home entertainment centers. Your computer is a computer, not Block Buster.
I agree.
I didn't go buy a 42" Samsung Plasma TV and a 1000w Pioneer Home theater system to play **** on my PC anyway. Only thing I play on my PC is porn. And it aint high def...

[mstlyevil]

I agree.
I didn't go buy a 42" Samsung Plasma TV and a 1000w Pioneer Home theater system to play **** on my PC anyway. Only thing I play on my PC is porn. And it aint high def...

Who would want Hidef porn? It might show flaws that distract from the task at hand. (No pun intended.)

[GreyFox503]

I got two things from that article:

1) Graphics card manufacturers lied about supporting HDCP. No card currently on the market will be able to play those movies.

2) The reason no card can play them is not technical. These cards are more than capable of display a movie at that resolution. It is just because these media companies want us to buy new Trusted (TM) cards with DRM built into the hardware. Same thing with HDCP monitors.

[mstlyevil]

I got two things from that article:

1) Graphics card manufacturers lied about supporting HDCP. No card currently on the market will be able to play those movies.

2) The reason no card can play them is not technical. These cards are more than capable of display a movie at that resolution. It is just because these media companies want us to buy new Trusted (TM) cards with DRM built into the hardware. Same thing with HDCP monitors.

Bingo!!!!!!

This is how it always works. They have to give users a reason to keep upgrading to newer technology and equipment by locking users of older equipment out of popular features. This is why I am not worried about it and am in no hurry to upgrade when it comes out. When I am ready to build my next computer in a couple of years then I will decide if it is cost effective to upgrade to HDCP. Early adopters will probally be dissapointed by the lack of content available for the first year anyhow.

[SolidAndShade]

This means that:

Vista users -- the overwhelming majority of the hardware market -- won't want any of the current crop of video cards and will purchase the next generation in large numbers even if the new HDCP cards only have marginal performance improvements. The current crop of video cards will be shunned and thus rapidly drop in price. Linux users, who won't be compatible with HDCP in the first case, will have tons of underpriced video cards to choose from.

Can you say GeForce 7800 for 50 bucks?

[joflow]

I agree.
I didn't go buy a 42" Samsung Plasma TV and a 1000w Pioneer Home theater system to play **** on my PC anyway. Only thing I play on my PC is porn. And it aint high def...

So what about the people who use a PC based PVR system (MCE, BeyondTV, Meedio on windows or MythTV on Linux) with their multi-thousand dollars home entertainment systems?

The windows users should be able to just upgrade their video card (their TV may also need HDCP as well which could mean shelling out another few thousands for a new HDTV) but they won't be able to copy their HD movies to the hard drive to create their own sort of movie on demand service (is this not fair use?)

MythTV users might just be out of luck.

[stoeptegel]

Same thing with HDCP monitors.

Someone has seen a site with an 'anti HDCP monitor campaign' with supported monitors we must avoid already? Or am i walking ahead of business...

[MetalMusicAddict]

I didn't go buy a 42" Samsung Plasma TV and a 1000w Pioneer Home theater system to play **** on my PC anyway.
Thats funny because thats a BIG reason I got my plasma. Ive been doing the HTPC thing for years. Since I switched to linux though this really doesnt bother me. Sux, but oh well. Ill still buy nVidia. I never play DVDs on it though. Just games, music and PC video formats.

[stoeptegel]

Just came to this site where a few know monitors are listed as DRM:
http://www.firingsquad.com/hardware/windows_vista-ready_hdcp_lcd_roundup/page4.asp

Just posting, because i believe we have to keep each other informed if we want to prevent the mafia from hitting and cashing us all for 300% prices. :mad: