Docky splits from Gnome-Do. [Archive]

nmccrina

October 15th, 2009, 05:45 PM

Well, I didn't know what Gnome Do or Docky were before, but after looking at that article I am going to go see about installing Docky. Those screenshots were beautiful!

NoaHall

October 15th, 2009, 05:50 PM

Chronon

October 15th, 2009, 06:37 PM

Due to these two posts -
http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2009/10/chromeos-to-be-based-on-ubuntu.html
http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2009/10/chromeos-pictures-google.html

omgubuntu has proven to be unreliable, so I wouldn't trust it.

Wow. . . just wow. Apparently, they haven't heard of the Google Chrome web browser?

pluviosity

October 15th, 2009, 06:39 PM

Due to these two posts -
http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2009/10/chromeos-to-be-based-on-ubuntu.html
http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2009/10/chromeos-pictures-google.html

omgubuntu has proven to be unreliable, so I wouldn't trust it.

Maybe, but in this case omgubuntu is correct. Launchpad tells all:

https://answers.launchpad.net/docky/+question/85800

Docky is outgrowing GNOME Do for many reasons.

The decision to split off was not easy as we knew we would lose *some* functionality. Gnome Do integration will never be as tight as it was before, but it will return. However this is not targeted for the first release.

Personally, I love the Gnome-Do + Docky functionality as it is now and will miss it. This, along with one or two other things like an adequate web browser, is really the only reason why I haven't switched to KDE full time.

Warpnow

October 15th, 2009, 08:01 PM

The docky dev posted a screenshot here of docky running without gnome-do a month ago. How is this a surprise?

starcannon

October 15th, 2009, 08:22 PM

http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2009/10/gnome-do-docky-no-longer-part-of-gnome.html

Thoughts? Opinions?

Not sure what to make of that; I felt that Docky had a leg up on other docks because of its integration with Gnome-Do, without that solid integration, Docky is just another Dock. Perhaps AWN and Gnome-Do could get together then? /shrug, I dunno, I don't use composting WM's anymore anyway, they are just to much trouble to keep tuned, I'm always messing things up. I suppose on a computer that got pinned at a nice stable release of these various ui enhancements it could be cool though.

tr4nce

October 17th, 2009, 03:39 PM

Is there any deb to try it?

cdwillis

October 17th, 2009, 03:50 PM

It was strange at first having to activate docky like a theme with gnome-do and I thought they should have been two separate applications, but I think part of the reason Docky is great is because it's a part of gnome-do. I'm not sure what to make of this. Docky is going to be just another dock and I have never been impressed with Cairo-dock or AWN.

bryncoles

October 17th, 2009, 04:04 PM

I'm late to the gnome-do party, and I never RSVP's to the dock shin-dig. So, from where I am sat, this separation is a good thing as I like gnome-do, yet dislike the (all) dock(s).

I know I know, just don't enable the dock theme. I don't use it as a dock. In short, this has no effect on me!

Apologies to everyone who read this essentially meaningless post!

Rogue dog

October 17th, 2009, 08:23 PM

Maybe, but in this case omgubuntu is correct. Launchpad tells all:

https://answers.launchpad.net/docky/+question/85800

Personally, I love the Gnome-Do + Docky functionality as it is now and will miss it. This, along with one or two other things like an adequate web browser, is really the only reason why I haven't switched to KDE full time.

Gnome-Do runs just as sweet in KDE if not sweeter.

ugm6hr

October 17th, 2009, 08:30 PM

This thread is not about Mono.

Any further posts mentioning it will be removed.

I have cleaned up some of the off-topic stuff already.

misfitpierce

October 17th, 2009, 08:40 PM

I have been using docky for a bit now and love it and am pretty happy about it becoming its own application. Gnome-Do is great and as is docky. Would like to have gnome-do pop up as well as having the docky when i'm in mood to run a dock. So I think its a good idea and will work out nicely. More work will be put into dock aspect and it will compete more with AWN and cairo better in my opinion!

toupeiro

October 17th, 2009, 08:44 PM

zekopeko

October 17th, 2009, 09:01 PM

I consider it a loss to the gnome-do project. I like the way docky interfaces with the different types of context based searches moreso than the popup two-squares interface. That, and it was a really good taskbar, but removing the integration of gnome-do, its really just another taskbar.

For now. I asked in IRC and the devs are saying that dockey2 will still be able preform like docky1 as far as gnome-do functionality is concerned.
But they did point out that they are still re-thinking Do specific part for Dockey and how to implement them.

A nice feature that is planned is allowing apps to paint on icons. I'm guessing that at one point it's going to allows cool things like having up/down speeds on transmission/deluge icon etc.

BigSilly

October 17th, 2009, 09:19 PM

Well, I don't know about the politics around this, but thanks to this thread I've just discovered Gnome-Do and Docky, and they're brilliant! Thanks all. :)

speedwell68

October 17th, 2009, 09:29 PM

Gotta say I'm not bothered, I love Gnome-Do but can't stand Docks, at all. I don't really see the point in them.

fabounet

October 18th, 2009, 03:07 AM

this is a rationnal decision, making Gnome-Do behaving as a dock was non-sense.
Gnome-Do should rather focus on integration with the other docks/panels (C/python bindings, DBus API, etc)
there is also Kupfer (written in Python) which could be a good replacement.

matthew.ball

October 18th, 2009, 12:35 PM

Heh, love Gnome-Do but I use AWN.

Keyper7

October 18th, 2009, 03:25 PM

According to Docky's creator, the intention is to, when the user has Gnome-Do and Docky installed, Docky will present a checkbox allowing the user to enable Gnome-Do functionality in Docky, just like it works now.

Considering that Karmic's Gnome-Do still has Docky and there's six months ahead before Lucid, I have high hopes that until Lucid is released integration between Do and Docky will be complete and Ubuntu users won't even feel the difference.

Dimitriid

October 18th, 2009, 03:29 PM

I never really understood do and docky, it seems like two random ideas thrown together. Neither one is a bad idea but its like saying "I am going to develop a dvd authoring software package that also scans your network ports!"

graabein

October 18th, 2009, 06:51 PM

IMO Docky is nothing without Gnome Do. It's just a visual help for launching apps and running commands through Gnome Do... But what you gonna do.

Warpnow

October 18th, 2009, 07:51 PM

IMO Docky is nothing without Gnome Do. It's just a visual help for launching apps and running commands through Gnome Do... But what you gonna do.

I feel the opposite. Docky made gnome-do usable for me. There are alot of launchers out there that work pretty well, gnome-do is just the heaviest, most bloated of them.

23meg

October 18th, 2009, 08:07 PM

I feel the opposite. Docky made gnome-do usable for me. There are alot of launchers out there that work pretty well, gnome-do is just the heaviest, most bloated of them.

In that sense, NetBeans is a "bloated" text editor. There are a lot of much lighter text editors out there.

Warpnow

October 18th, 2009, 08:24 PM

In that sense, NetBeans is a "bloated" text editor. There are a lot of much lighter text editors out there.

Netbeans is not a text editor, its a Java IDE. If it were just a text editor, then yes, you'd be exactly right.

23meg

October 18th, 2009, 08:48 PM

Netbeans is not a text editor

Which exactly was my point: GNOME Do is not a "launcher", at least in the sense that "a lot of launchers out there" are.

zekopeko

October 18th, 2009, 08:56 PM

I feel the opposite. Docky made gnome-do usable for me. There are alot of launchers out there that work pretty well, gnome-do is just the heaviest, most bloated of them.

You didn't really use Gnome-Do if you use it only as a launcher.

Warpnow

October 18th, 2009, 08:57 PM

Which exactly was my point: GNOME Do is not a "launcher", at least in the sense that "a lot of launchers out there" are.

Uhh, yeah, it is...its plugin functionality is impressive, but they could easily be mimic'd with a normal launcher launching cli programs that do those things. Its only impressive because its easy.

zekopeko

October 18th, 2009, 09:11 PM

Uhh, yeah, it is...its plugin functionality is impressive, but they could easily be mimic'd with a normal launcher launching cli programs that do those things. Its only impressive because its easy.

And yet again you miss the whole point of Gnome-Do. It was inspired by Quicksilver on Mac which is far from a simple launcher.

That "its only impressive because its easy" is what makes Gnome-Do stand out.

graabein

October 21st, 2009, 01:35 PM

I don't necessarily need a visual dock for Gnome Do but I liked how Docky looked and integrated, so I hope they will have pretty close integration in the future.

I do however plan to continue using Gnome Do with or without a dock. I'm fine with the popup dialog pre-Docky that appeared on key combination Super+Space.

Go Gnome Do!