96% of Public Sector in France using Open Source.

[Arup]

http://www.osor.eu/news/fr-almost-entire-public-sector-is-using-open-source

Almost the entire public sector, 96 percent, is using open source, says a French market survey. The most used applications are database management systems and content management systems.

http://www.unixmen.com/news-today/444-dutch-police-goes-open-source

Dutch Police going Open source as well.

[jpmelos]

Great! Countries can make big savings by using Free and Open Source Software... Not only because of price, but for less maintenance, cheaper maintenance, and need of fewer hardware renewals.

Brazil's government, if I'm not mistaken, has begun the change of the whole public sector of the country to free and open source software as well. Maybe it's already finished, but I'm not sure. No doubt it's a big victory.

[Arup]

Its a good precedence, India and China are also following suit. The LSE's recent switch to Linux was a great shot in the back for open source as well.

[prshah]

Its a good precedence, India and China are also following suit. The LSE's recent switch to Linux was a great shot in the back for open source as well.

India's public sector is nowhere NEAR switching over to open-source.

Switching over to open source requires a commitment (at least on paper) for government support.

Just using a linux mail-server and linux-based router devices does not mean that open source is gaining.

The BJP Government had/has strong plans for open source. The current government has no specific plans for implementing open source (or if it does, it's keeping it a close secret).

btw, I hope you mean precedent for "precedence" and "a pat on the back" or "shot in the arm" instead of "a great shot in the back". (Mixed metaphors). :)

[Arup]

India's public sector is nowhere NEAR switching over to open-source.

Switching over to open source requires a commitment (at least on paper) for government support.

Just using a linux mail-server and linux-based router devices does not mean that open source is gaining.

The BJP Government had/has strong plans for open source. The current government has no specific plans for implementing open source (or if it does, it's keeping it a close secret).

btw, I hope you mean precedent for "precedence" and "a pat on the back" or "shot in the arm" instead of "a great shot in the back". (Mixed metaphors). :)

http://www.networkcomputing.in/News-022Sept009-Open-Source-can-help-India-save-10000crore-says-IIM-B-study.aspx

Things are changing, hopefully for good.

[prshah]

http://www.networkcomputing.in/News-022Sept009-Open-Source-can-help-India-save-10000crore-says-IIM-B-study.aspx

Things are changing, hopefully for good.

Did you actually read the report "Economic Impact of Free and Open Source software – A Study in India"? (The linked article is a report of the report).

It does not have a roadmap for implementation, or any specific recommendations. It's figures are a joke (Rs 10,000 for a desktop Windows operating system?)

It essentially just says "IF public sector enterprises switch to open source it will save xxx crores rupees". It's logic and methodology is flawed; for example, it says that organizations can save Rs 10,000 per Operating system license; but that (unrealistic) expense is already made and cannot be unmade; the savings will appear only on new hardware purchases; and no organization is going to purchase 30,000 new machines.

It means to say that this amount COULD have been saved.

There is no plan, roadmap, or government initiative. Don't be taken in by what you read.

The article further screws up by talking about RETAIL PC sales, when it should talk about INSTITUTIONAL PC sales.

[Arup]

Well and you believe in what your read? Where and how are you basing your opinions from as to decry an institution like IIM's report. Traveling in Kerala, I was surprised to see Linux on many desktops across goverment offices. With prices of MS products shooting up, implementation of strict anti piracy measures in place, I forsee many more moving to Open source in a big way. Many government schoos and institutions are making the switch to Linux. Price and economy is a big factor which can do wonders no government initiative can. I am not saying its gonna change overnight but the step has been taken and it is in a positive direction.

http://www.linux-watch.com/news/NS6504473525.html This is but one example, there are many more and its not just a conjecture, I see it happening when I travel to various organizations throughout India.

[prshah]

http://www.linux-watch.com/news/NS6504473525.html This is but one example, there are many more and its not just a conjecture


At the same time, ELCOT reserves the right to change its mind. "Microsoft India is yet to provide the revised offer ([of $12 per copy] for its operating system and debundling its current offer to fix the price of its office suite and anti virus software). Once we receive Microsoft's revised offer which is acceptable to ELCOT, we would get back to you with our offer for Microsoft products."

Yeah, hooray for linux. Further, MS has made an offer of Rs 2500 (Apprx US$50) for Windows OS + MS Office + Antivirus to ELCOT for bundling.

AND the report is from Jun 2008.

AND Elcot's "Student Laptop" is priced at approx Rs 30,000 ~ 31,000 currently; and expected to rise. A top of the line ASUS eeePC 1Gb/160Gb/Windows XP Home is Rs. 19,000/-. Core2 Duo laptops with Vista are available for as low as 28,000/-. I don't see institutions, public sector or otherwise, going for volume purchases at these prices.

OH but hey, if you say and Google say Open Source is growing in India, then it MUST be. Cheers.

[Arup]

These prices are not reflective of market prices. I see otherwise, I see a big move to Linux happening in countries like India when the piracy hammer begins to fall real big, I am aware of quite a few companies in Noida having swtiched to OSS after raids by NASSCOM and concerend companies.

If you wish to be pessimistic, thats your choice. I see it happening in India as its happening elsewhere.

[prshah]

These prices are not reflective of market prices

In point of fact, they are. You're welcome to check it out yourself. These prices are already subsidized.



. I see otherwise, I see a big move to Linux happening in countries like India when the piracy hammer begins to fall real big, I am aware of quite a few companies in Noida having swtiched to OSS after raids by NASSCOM and concerend companies.

"few companies in Noida" are private companies. They are not government bodies / public sector.

Are you aware of what the aftermath of a "raid" by NASSCOM is? Companies violating the EULA and/or using pirated copies of products _have_ to purchase licenses for the products. They cannot avoid liability by "switching". And once again, this is private enterprise not government.

Here are a few RECENT links about the state of open source adoption:
Maharashtra Government Signs MoU with Microsoft India (http://www.dare.co.in/blogs/maharashtra-government-signs-mou-with-microsoft-india.htm)

Linux for You: The Indian Govt is Just Not That Into Freedom (http://www.linuxforu.com/views/the-indian-govt-is-just-not-that-into-freedom/)

Microsoft India hosts Government Leadership Summit (http://www.microsoft.com/india/msindia/Details.aspx?Id=35)

...Where..


The Minister also released a compendium of e-governance initiatives in India titled ‘India {e}nnovates’.

Microsoft has developed SWARAJ as a single integrated application, which can run in both connected and un-connected scenarios and can provide the critical information on the schemes, funds, land and works besides baseline information to evolve Panchayats’ infrastructure and human development indices


Chairman Speak (http://www.microsoft.com/india/keynote.aspx)

<snip>Most importantly helping the government in its e- governance initiatives
,snip>We piloted 300 kiosks across 6 states involving about 4000 users to understand the key requirements and sustainability of the rural kiosk model. Our key learning’s were -

• e-Government alone is insufficient to sustain the rural kiosks
• People in rural areas consider education important. They are willing to pay money to become Computer literate (Internet, MS Excel, Word and Power Point) and to learn English - English and Primary (Being developed in consultation with British Council)
• The e-Government application allows instant access to land records and certificates and things like Grievance Submission, tracking and resolution system are appreciated along with Monitoring of MP & MLA developmental activities.
• Local Agricultural services and clinical information are invaluable resource of information. As a step in this direction we are partnering with ICRISAT.

Microsoft India offers:
Microsoft Dynamics Software for Government (http://www.microsoft.com/india/dynamics/industry/Ind_government.mspx)

And here's what Venkatesh Hariharan (RedHat activist, IndLinux) has to say when trying to reach NASSCOM about their draft report to the Government for Draft Open Standards Policy Delaying tactics from industry (http://osindia.blogspot.com/2009/07/delaying-tactics-from-industry.html). Essentially, they were (apparently) sidelining RedHat offerings for consideration in the draft. Yes, NASSCOM is not a government body, but asking a organization sponsored by Microsoft, Autodesk, et al for an open standards policy draft is pretty damning for the government.

Excepting NASSCOM, these are governmental bodies we are talking about.

(F)OSS use is soaring in India; but it's the ordinary people like you and me who are pushing it, not the Government. The previous government (BJP) had specific plans for open source; these are now quietly sidelined. The National Informatics Centre, a GoI body responsible for implementing e-governance projects across India is heavily skewed to proprietary / non-foss products.



If you wish to be pessimistic, thats your choice.

The correct term is "realistic". This is the reality; pessimism or optimism is perception.

[Arup]

In your case, the definitions of realistic is to forsee the negative only.

In a keynote, the President of India, Dr. APJ Abdul Kalam once said, "The most unfortunate thing is that India still seems to believe in proprietary solutions. In India, open source code software will have to come and stay in a big way for the benefit of our billion people."

With 22 official languages, only Linux's localization will subside in India.

About liability imposed by NASSCOM, try and implement anything in India and you will see otherwise. Said and done, those companies who learned their lesson are not on MS products anymore or for that matter any proprietary programs. So NASSCOM can try to force them to buy licenses but these companies have already made the switch.

Let me repeat at the cost of being redundant, it will take time but it is happening, gradually. Anyways, back to topic.

[ukripper]

Obviously Microsoft denies the fact of open source as a viable cost reduction option - http://www.microsoft.com/uk/publicsector/government/efficiency/debunking-open-source.aspx

[irohaphoto]

Japan is the first asian country to embrace opensource. when the chinese central government started using linux the chinese term for linux was literary "red flag linux".

[ukripper]

Japan is the first asian country to embrace opensource.

Any links to support your claim? Or is just your speculation?

[Arup]

Obviously Microsoft denies the fact of open source as a viable cost reduction option - http://www.microsoft.com/uk/publicsector/government/efficiency/debunking-open-source.aspx

Yep they would deny the fact that you have to pay for every step in MS world. I guess the definition of the word PAID has another meaning in MS speak.

[Arup]

http://lxer.com/module/newswire/view/123620/index.html

Some more good news for Open Source.

Approximately ten million students in basic education will benefit this year with the delivery of 26 thousand computer labs. The number represents the expansion of the National Program of Educational Technology (ProInfo) whose goal is to serve all urban public schools by 2010. The delivery and installation of equipment are planned to start from March. In addition to being delivered and installed in schools, the equipment will support and guarantee of 36 months. All should be compatible with the new version of operating system Linux Educational 3.0, free software developed by the ministry especially servers to meet the public schools in Brazil, with educational content pre-selected.

On another note, most software even in so called first world countries is pirated according to this source.

http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2009/10/report-41-percent-of-personal-computing-software-is-pirated/

[HappyFeet]

60 Thousand Russian Teachers Will Learn Linux by the End of 2009 (http://profy.com/2009/08/20/russian-teachers-will-learn-linux-by-2010/)

It seems russia is set to have their own national OS. This is good news.

[Arup]

Very good news indeed as Russia is high on the list of places where software is pirated.

[murderslastcrow]

I think that, if we don't move our systems back home (for those of us in this forum who are American), it would show just how far behind we are as a nation. I hope we can catch on before everyone else has, since America's notoriety with poor decision-making needs to change. Of course, these decisions will always be a shared responsibility of the society, governments, and providers of the services.

I'm really glad that Linux is available and so capable of taking care of the vast majority of companies' needs. It's refreshing to see people using common sense when it's so direly required.

[Martje_001]

Dutch Police going Open source as well.
On paper, yes. In real life their just continuing to use closed-source software and standards.

[Arup]

On paper, yes. In real life their just continuing to use closed-source software and standards.

Are you with the Dutch Police? If they are doing so, then its to their peril.

[ismmusin]

Are you with the Dutch Police? If they are doing so, then its to their peril.
Very cool, looking great so far. Keep going, I wanna see it finished! :)

[Dale61]

French police: we saved millions of euros by adopting Ubuntu

http://arstechnica.com/open-source/news/2009/03/french-police-saves-millions-of-euros-by-adopting-ubuntu.ars

Article dated March 11, 2009.


A recent report has revealed that France's national police force has saved an estimated 50 million euros since 2004 by adopting open source software and migrating a portion of the organization's workstations to Ubuntu Linux. They plan to roll out the Linux distro to all 90,000 of their workstations by 2015.

[Arup]

French police: we saved millions of euros by adopting Ubuntu

http://arstechnica.com/open-source/news/2009/03/french-police-saves-millions-of-euros-by-adopting-ubuntu.ars

Article dated March 11, 2009.

Another good news, thanks for posting.