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credobyte
September 28th, 2009, 11:51 PM
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Microsoft apologized Tuesday for using photo editing techniques to change the race of a person depicted on the company's Web site.
In a photo on the company's U.S. Web site, three businesspeople--one black, one white and one Asian are shown as part of a pitch for Microsoft's business productivity software. In the same photo on the site of Microsoft's Polish subsidiary, a white head is placed over the black person's body, although the hand is not changed.
The move sparked controversy after it was noticed, quickly making the rounds on Twitter and various Web sites.
"We are looking into the details of this situation," a Microsoft representative told CNET News. "We apologize and are in the process of pulling down the image" from the Polish site. Microsoft also apologized on its corporate Twitter feed.Source: http://news.cnet.com/8301-13860_3-10317763-56.html

cprofitt
September 29th, 2009, 12:05 AM
I agree that it is lame that a company would be in a position to worry about stuff like this. No matter what they do people will pick it apart.

Did you notice there was no white man in the first picture?

Did you notice that there were two men and only one women?

Did you notice that the man in the middle has a Mac?

Why did the black man in the first image have to wear a tie?

My lord people will pick and pick and pick at this stuff.

Can we move on to where all we see are other people... and not <blank> people vs <blank> people.

earthpigg
September 29th, 2009, 12:14 AM
having lived in Poland for a year, it makes sense that Microsoft would have done that.

Generalizations are always horrible, and always full of holes and examples of how it does not apply, but i'm going to go ahead and do it anyways.

black person in a business suit in North America or Western Europe = "well, ok."

black person in a business suit in Eastern Europe = "wtf, how did that refugee get into a business suit? does this company really want me to trust my IT infrastructure with uneducated refugees??!?"

dont get me wrong, I had a great time in Poland and thought Poles where awesome people...

...but it remains true that the only black folks i met that where not refugees where Western Europeans and African-Americans.

perhaps a better alternative to making the dude white in the Polish ad would have been to leave his skin be and put a pin on his collar with a French, Canadian, or American flag on it. make it very clear that the employee is not a refugee that grew up somewhere that polygamy (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/in_depth/8277009.stm) and the like are common occurrences (Poland is very Catholic (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Poland#Religions), and not apologetic about it for a moment).

i'll restate: i am not saying it was morally correct for Microsoft to have done what they did, i am saying it makes good pragmatic sense.... well, until everyone actually realizes what they did and the result is bad PR everywhere outside of Eastern Europe...

K.Mandla
September 29th, 2009, 12:17 AM
Link?

(Never mind. I found one on my own.)

credobyte
September 29th, 2009, 12:24 AM
Link?

(Never mind. I found one on my own.)

Sorry, forgot about it .. added :)

magmon
September 29th, 2009, 12:37 AM
If they're going to do something this stupid, they should at least do it well. The head doesn't fit the body, there is an outline around the neak, and the hand didn't change at all... Any person with eyes would immediately notice that the picture is tampered with.

-grubby
September 29th, 2009, 12:59 AM
If they're going to do something this stupid, they should at least do it well. The head doesn't fit the body, there is an outline around the neak, and the hand didn't change at all... Any person with eyes would immediately notice that the picture is tampered with.

What I don't get is why they didn't just re-shoot it with a different person.

doas777
September 29th, 2009, 01:03 AM
What I don't get is why they didn't just re-shoot it with a different person.

it's like the mcdonalds down the street. the store has to work with whatever corperate tells them to.

3rdalbum
September 29th, 2009, 03:01 AM
Compare this with any of the Ubuntu CD cover images. THAT's how much better Ubuntu is.

Having said that, we can probably cut Microsoft a little bit of slack. In Australia there's a pop singer called Delta Goodrem, who has beautiful fair skin. In a photoshoot she did for a shampoo ad, they tried to make her look golden-brown, which not only looked terribly fake but was also insulting to anyone who has naturally fair skin.

hanzomon4
September 29th, 2009, 05:58 AM
having lived in Poland for a year, it makes sense that Microsoft would have done that.

Generalizations are always horrible, and always full of holes and examples of how it does not apply, but i'm going to go ahead and do it anyways.

black person in a business suit in North America or Western Europe = "well, ok."

black person in a business suit in Eastern Europe = "wtf, how did that refugee get into a business suit? does this company really want me to trust my IT infrastructure with uneducated refugees??!?"

dont get me wrong, I had a great time in Poland and thought Poles where awesome people...

...but it remains true that the only black folks i met that where not refugees where Western Europeans and African-Americans.

perhaps a better alternative to making the dude white in the Polish ad would have been to leave his skin be and put a pin on his collar with a French, Canadian, or American flag on it. make it very clear that the employee is not a refugee that grew up somewhere that polygamy (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/in_depth/8277009.stm) and the like are common occurrences (Poland is very Catholic (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Poland#Religions), and not apologetic about it for a moment).

i'll restate: i am not saying it was morally correct for Microsoft to have done what they did, i am saying it makes good pragmatic sense.... well, until everyone actually realizes what they did and the result is bad PR everywhere outside of Eastern Europe...

:roll:

Wow.. um, ok... Sometimes you just wish people would keep their mouth shut so you can go on thinking that the world is decent

earthpigg
September 29th, 2009, 06:30 AM
:roll:

Wow.. um, ok... Sometimes you just wish people would keep their mouth shut so you can go on thinking that the world is decent

the world is not decent.

African refugees typically had the horrible misfortune of growing up in a place where the mentality is: "if you can take it by physical force, you deserve to have it."

maybe they witnessed their father being murdered.

perhaps their older brother had his arm removed as a trophy.

it is possible that they observed a friend have his ear removed because he was from the wrong tribe.

these are the male role models of a young man: the alpha-male aggressors.

that is absolutely horrible and unfortunate, but true.

let's do the cost-benefit analysis of ones teenage daughter dating a refugee, keeping in mind the standard value priorities of God, Family, Friends, Country, Everything Else....

primary potential benefit: temporary emotional fulfillment for ones teenage daughter. she may feel desired. any boy can provide this, refugee or not. there is an off chance that she will find the love of her life, but this is very unlikely.

potential draw backs: daughter raped, traumatized for life. see above quote for why this is far more likely than if your daughter dated a non-refugee.

fact: most black folks your daughter as an eastern european living and going to school in eastern europe will encounter are refugees. yes, a minuscule percentage will not be.

solution: teach your daughter to only pursue fellow ($eastern-european-nationality-here) people and distrust black people (obviously, 14 year olds cannot distinguish between Frenchman, Americans, and Somalians if they all have the same skin color and speak the same broken ($local-language-here)). granted, your daughter may miss out on some friendships... but the odds of her being raped because she does not shun refugee-looking-boys is far greater than the odds of her finding the love of her life by dating 'em.


who wants to do business around someone you cannot trust for 5 minutes alone with your daughter?


(recall that most people view characters in advertisements as people living in their nation - including the Poles viewing the Microsoft Advertisement)


again, i am not saying any of the above is morally right or wrong. i am simply saying that it is.

amitabhishek
September 29th, 2009, 07:16 AM
Looks like Polish is one tough language to master!

credobyte
September 29th, 2009, 07:33 AM
There's only 1 thing I can't understand .. how can such a big company|industry release an advertisement, which should represent their work and strengths, done by someone who've just finished his first year in college ( quality ) ?

Ok, you can have good or bad ideas, but if it's about your product and potential customers, spending a couple of bucks to someone on digitalpoint would have been resulted in something way better ( quality ).

NoaHall
September 29th, 2009, 07:36 AM
The thing is, it's a really bad job at photoshoping. Who on earth are they paying to do this? The racist idiots? No wonder it sucks. I mean come on, you have a big huge company, and you can't even photoshop right.

TheLions
September 29th, 2009, 10:59 AM
Looks like Polish is one tough language to master!

All Slavic languages are...

wojox
September 29th, 2009, 11:14 AM
A popular bar had a new robotic bartender installed. A guy came in for a drink and the robot asked him, "What's your IQ?" The man replied, "130." So the robot proceeded to make conversation about physics, astronomy, and so on. The man listened intently and thought, "This is really cool."



Another guy came in for a drink and the robot asked him, "What's your IQ?" The man responded, "120." So the robot started talking about the Superbowl, dirt bikes, and so on. The man thought to himself, "Wow, this is really cool."



A third guy came in to the bar. As with the others, the robot asked him, "What's your IQ?" The man replied, "80." The robot then said, "So, how are things in Poland these days?"

Cope57
September 29th, 2009, 12:40 PM
The thing is, it's a really bad job at photoshoping. Who on earth are they paying to do this? The racist idiots? No wonder it sucks. I mean come on, you have a big huge company, and you can't even photoshop right.

Microsoft employees are the ones using photochop. They seem to have had it right with Windows XP Bliss.

Bliss is the name of the image of the Windows XP wallpaper. Bliss as seen on the XP desktop

http://img529.imageshack.us/img529/2923/blissj.th.png (http://img529.imageshack.us/i/blissj.png/)


The same location. The original photo was taken by professional photographer Charles O'Rear, in Sonoma County, CA.

http://img32.imageshack.us/img32/7685/bliss28location29.th.jpg (http://img32.imageshack.us/i/bliss28location29.jpg/)


I KNEW there was a reason Microsoft users love Photoshop so much, it is to distort the reality of their world.

credobyte
September 29th, 2009, 12:44 PM
Microsoft employees are the ones using photochop. They seem to have had it right with Windows XP Bliss.

Bliss is the name of the image of the Windows XP wallpaper. Bliss as seen on the XP desktop

http://img529.imageshack.us/img529/2923/blissj.th.png (http://img529.imageshack.us/i/blissj.png/)


The same location. The original photo was taken by professional photographer Charles O'Rear, in Sonoma County, CA.

http://img32.imageshack.us/img32/7685/bliss28location29.th.jpg (http://img32.imageshack.us/i/bliss28location29.jpg/)


I KNEW there was a reason Microsoft users love Photoshop so much, it is to distort the reality of their world.

Didn't knew that :o Maybe someone knows much they paid for it ( if at all ) ?

random turnip
September 29th, 2009, 01:02 PM
Wow, that's just amazing.
I can see why they did it, everyone in Poland is white, but it that doesn't make it a good thing.