McDonalds and Ubuntu

[richg]

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[Xbehave]

Did a quick search and did not find anything or I missed it.

McDonald's is using Ubuntu software. In a different forum someone was waiting for their order and one of the TV displays for food selection was being worked on, going from POST to blue screen (no video, not BSOD)

All of a sudden it boots up into Ubuntu.

Do a search for:

mcdonald's restaurants ubuntu software

Rich
AFAIK McDonald's is a franchise (a fairly evil one at that) so that means individual shops can run whatever they want.

Generally McDonald's are the opposite of everything ubuntu stands for not only are their "recipes" copyrighted secret but they also excessively litigious and tried to sew somebody called "McDonald" for running a family restaurant!

[richg]

Ok, I deleted the message to keep from offending sensitive people. I guess this gives Ubuntu a bad image. Thanks for enlightening me. I would have never known otherwise.

Rich

[jerrrys]

actually McDonald sold the rights to his own name and then tried to keep on using it and got sewed...

[steev182]

actually McDonald sold the rights to his own name and then tried to keep on using it and got sewed...

The legal team stitched him up? :P

[cgroza]

Both makes you hungry...

[ChrT]

Both makes you hungry...

If mcdonalds makes you hungry...in fact, if mcdonalds doesn't make you sick, seek proffesional help.

[steev182]

AFAIK McDonald's is a franchise (a fairly evil one at that) so that means individual shops can run whatever they want.

Generally McDonald's are the opposite of everything ubuntu stands for not only are their "recipes" copyrighted secret but they also excessively litigious and tried to sew somebody called "McDonald" for running a family restaurant!

OK, Someone shouldn't feel like they are offending people by saying company x uses ubuntu.

It is actually interesting to see these 'evil' read 'large multinational' corporations are using something other than Windows or a 'solution' from IBM.

Also look at ubuntuone. Canonical are hiding their 'secret recipe' for that.

[TBOL3]

Please un-delete, and give us a link...

Thanks.

[LowSky]

um how is a corporation like McDonalds evil. You can't serve billions of burgers and fries if poeple didn't want them. sure it isn't good for you food, but there is plenty of choices in the fast food game. McD's is one of the best at it.

[Dark Aspect]

um how is a corporation like McDonalds evil. You can't serve billions of burgers and fries if poeple didn't want them. sure it isn't good for you food, but there is plenty of choices in the fast food game. McD's is one of the best at it.

Not to mention McDonalds donates to a good bit to health charities and what not. I don't think of McDonalds as evil, they also employ the mentally challenged which is helpful to the community.

[Woormy]

Not to mention McDonalds donates to a good bit to health charities and what not. I don't think of McDonalds as evil, they also employ the mentally challenged which is helpful to the community.

He isn't mentally challenged, he's supposed to be a clown.

[moster]

um how is a corporation like McDonalds evil. You can't serve billions of burgers and fries if poeple didn't want them. sure it isn't good for you food, but there is plenty of choices in the fast food game. McD's is one of the best at it.

That food is called "junk" because good reason. You just do not know that reason yet :)

Turn bottle of plain coca cola and read how much sugar have in 1 litre.

For becoming "fat bast*rd" in least amount of time, combine those two :)

Every company that try to ruin my health is evil for me.

[Dark Aspect]

He isn't mentally challenged, he's supposed to be a clown.

lol

[jerrrys]

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That food is called "junk" because good reason. You just do not know that reason yet :)

Turn bottle of plain coca cola and read how much sugar have in 1 litre.

For becoming "fat bast*rd" in least amount of time, combine those two :)

Every company that try to ruin my health is evil for me.

Serving unhealthy food isn't evil. Serving unhealthy food in the guise of being healthy, would be, but you can get all the nutritional information on anything from any fast food joint on request or on line. Heck, I think I recall seeing nutritional information on the wrappers from some restaurants.

I know full well what I'm eating when I get micky-d's, or from anywhere else. It's my choice, and it's worth it to me.

And don't be fooled into thinking eating at a nice sit down restaurant is any healthier. Just because the food is made mostly from scratch, doesn't mean it's not way loaded down w/ butter, bacon fat, and salt.


BM

[moster]

Serving unhealthy food isn't evil. Serving unhealthy food in the guise of being healthy, would be, but you can get all the nutritional information on anything from any fast food joint on request or on line. Heck, I think I recall seeing nutritional information on the wrappers from some restaurants.

I know full well what I'm eating when I get micky-d's, or from anywhere else. It's my choice, and it's worth it to me.

And don't be fooled into thinking eating at a nice sit down restaurant is any healthier. Just because the food is made mostly from scratch, doesn't mean it's not way loaded down w/ butter, bacon fat, and salt.


BM

I agree with you partially when you said like that. But I will be more satisfied if they put it signs like those on cigarettes. "Bad for health" or similar :) Ok, that was little unrealistic to expect, but that is reality.

When we already discuss lets disassemble one. Ok, we have pastry, meat from roadkill, 1 leaf of salad and 1 decilitre of refined oil. If I drink 1/2 litre of plain Coke with it, I would also get 50 gr of sugar, paint and some stimulans like caffeine. Sorry for putting those together but they are worst from worst and they go together hand in hand.

[Xbehave]

Ok, I deleted the message to keep from offending sensitive people. I guess this gives Ubuntu a bad image. Thanks for enlightening me. I would have never known otherwise.

Rich
It doesn't give ubuntu a bad image, I wasn't suggesting you delete the post in the slightest. ubuntu/linux can and does run everywhere, I don't think its a bad thing.


It is actually interesting to see these 'evil' read 'large multinational' corporations are using something other than Windows or a 'solution' from IBM.

Actually the main point of my post was that it's not that, McDonalds is largely a franchise, the owners of "restaurants" (i use the term loosely) pay to sell McDonald's burgers but the restaurants are still run by them, and they can do whatever they want (within very strick guidlines) so it is not McDonald's running ubuntu, it is a McDonalds running it. That was the main thrust of my post.


re EVILNESS
I never said they were evil for getting people fat, I merely consider them evil for

suing everybody (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/McDonald%27s_legal_cases) (in particular this case (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/McLibel))
Specifically targeting thier fast food advertisment at kids
the enviormental dammage they cause ( particularly in south america (http://www.greenpeace.org.uk/media/reports/were-trashin-it) )
Their shady selling practices such as putting chemicals that make you hungry into the burger mix Retracted

But again my main point has been misunderstood, it wasn't just that they are evil ( but by god some of you jumped to defend them ) but that in particular they are a very closed company (using legal threats to prevent people producing similar burgers) which is the opposite of the ideology of ubuntu.



um how is a corporation like McDonalds evil. You can't serve billions of burgers and fries if poeple didn't want them. sure it isn't good for you food, but there is plenty of choices in the fast food game. McD's is one of the best at it.
p.s claiming that just because they are the most popular they are not evil just doesn't make sense because MS are the most popular os producer and they have definetely done evil (e.g conviced in a court of law for crimes) things in the past.

[MasterNetra]

If mcdonalds makes you hungry...in fact, if mcdonalds doesn't make you sick, seek proffesional help.

What can we say, some of us have no issue stomaching the tasty food. If anything your the one in minority. McDonald's is international after all. Love the food, not the company.

[lisati]

I recently heard of a restaurant somewhere in Asia being taken to court by McDonalds for calling themselves McCurry or something like that. After many years of wrangling the little guys eventually won.

[Tibuda]

Please un-delete, and give us a link...

Thanks.

You can read the original post in the second post quote.

[richg]

I was only posting about the use of Ubuntu. Next time I hear a large corporation using Open Source, I will check the forum first for opinions on the corporation so as to not offend those with tender sensibilities. Probably just better to not spread any info about Open Source.

Rich

[richg]

I will no longer bother the forums. I have contacted the Main Office to remove my account.

Rich

[HappyFeet]

I will no longer bother the forums. I have contacted the Main Office to remove my account.

Rich
Seems like you are the sensitive one.

[renkinjutsu]

If anybody here lives in chicago (or any nearby suburb) and has been to Mitsuwa (japanese market), they use Ubuntu on their registers!

i can recognize that Human theme ANYWHERE...

[sydbat]

Their shady selling practices such as putting chemicals that make you hungry into the burger mixCitation please.

[coolbrook]

lol
+1

[hanzomon4]

Whoa wait... what happened?

[moster]

I think OP work at McDonalds and we hurt him little bit.

[Swagman]

I prefer Hungry Jacks (Burger King) over McDonalds but they are both yummy anyway.

I like it and

That's all that matters

Now scuse me.. Got some more rain forest to chop down

[MelDJ]

I recently heard of a restaurant somewhere in Asia being taken to court by McDonalds for calling themselves McCurry or something like that. After many years of wrangling the little guys eventually won.

that happened over here. just ate a Big Mac. Yummy

[beercz]

The legal team stitched him up? :P
Very good!! Made ma laugh - thanks steev182

[Giant Speck]

McDonalds is disgusting.

They also have this strange fixation on specifically targeting black people, as referenced by their official webpage geared toward black people: http://www.365black.com/365black/index.jsp

[pwnst*r]

AFAIK McDonald's is a franchise (a fairly evil one at that) so that means individual shops can run whatever they want.



untrue with most any larger franchises.

[moster]

McDonalds is disgusting.

They also have this strange fixation on specifically targeting black people, as referenced by their official webpage geared toward black people: http://www.365black.com/365black/index.jsp

hm.. really interesting. Like they are trying to show they are helping black people or something... I think they have few psychologists hired to make up this kind of things.

[cocopuffz]

I wish they were running Ubuntu where I am. I had to a few installs for their backend a few years ago... they are 100% MS windows.

On a side note, I was getting my oil changed one day at the "Mr. Lube" and they do run Ubuntu. I was pleasantly surprised.

[Giant Speck]

untrue with most any larger franchises.

I've seen some McDonald's franchises that are so unique that you wouldn't think it was a McDonald's. The smaller the individual franchise, the more attention seems to be spent on the quality of the restaurant. I've seen some that serve their own food along with the regular menu and some that have big screen televisions for watching football games. It all depends on the franchise owner.

[motorcity909]

So are we saying that people or companies have to pass some moral or political test before being allowed to use Linux/Ubuntu?

Who writes and marks the test?

[purgatori]

I know it's fashionable to hate Mc'Donalds n'all, and as a vegetarian I'm not their greatest fan, but only a follower bases their opinions on fashion. I suggest checking out this link (http://skeptoid.com/episodes/4088) for a skeptical appraisal of fast food/McDonalds hysteria before parroting popular misinformation.

Personally, I could care less if they run Ubuntu.

[Giant Speck]

I know it's fashionable to hate Mc'Donalds n'all, and as a vegetarian I'm not their greatest fan, but only a follower bases their opinions on fashion. I suggest checking out this link (http://skeptoid.com/episodes/4088) for a skeptical appraisal of fast food/McDonalds hysteria before parroting popular misinformation.

Personally, I could care less if they run Ubuntu.

Oh, I don't hate McDonalds because I find their food is unhealthy. I just don't like the quality of their food.

You can easily eat healthily at McDonalds if you choose the right foods from their menu.

[purgatori]

Oh, I don't hate McDonalds because I find their food is unhealthy. I just don't like the quality of their food.

You can easily eat healthily at McDonalds if you choose the right foods from their menu.

Neither do I, for the most part -- although I must admit their fries are a guilty pleasure for me :P But that doesn't make me hate them, it just makes me not eat their food.

[Giant Speck]

Neither do I, for the most part -- although I must admit their fries are a guilty pleasure for me :P But that doesn't make me hate them, it just makes me not eat their food.

I've heard their new Angus burgers are good. And while I love beef, it'd be nice if they offered a veggie burger. And actually make a good one, unlike that nasty piece of crap that Burger King sells.

[pwnst*r]

I've seen some McDonald's franchises that are so unique that you wouldn't think it was a McDonald's. The smaller the individual franchise, the more attention seems to be spent on the quality of the restaurant. I've seen some that serve their own food along with the regular menu and some that have big screen televisions for watching football games. It all depends on the franchise owner.

i was directing that towards POS software and other standardized software/hardware that the company will have you use.

[purgatori]

I've heard their new Angus burgers are good. And while I love beef, it'd be nice if they offered a veggie burger. And actually make a good one, unlike that nasty piece of crap that Burger King sells.

I could be wrong, but I seem to recall reading that they did offer a veggie burger at one point, but soon pulled it because of a lack of consumer demand. I have no idea if it was any good or not though.

[Giant Speck]

I could be wrong, but I seem to recall reading that they did offer a veggie burger at one point, but soon pulled it because of a lack of consumer demand. I have no idea if it was any good or not though.

Yeah, I've read their FAQ page, and they basically say they don't offer one right now because there isn't great enough demand for it.

[moster]

Yeah, I've read their FAQ page, and they basically say they don't offer one right now because there isn't great enough demand for it.

Well, I guess they cannot attract bunch of fatasses and then start to push vegeterian foods :D

[Xbehave]

... I suggest checking out this link (http://skeptoid.com/episodes/4088) for a skeptical appraisal of fast food/McDonalds hysteria before parroting popular misinformation.
I don't have a problem with their food (I don't think its nice but hey I like meat in my burgers), my problem is with the ethics of the company (the overall company not individual stores):
They are overly litigious (they sew^H^H^H sue everybody)
They don't do proper checks on their suppliers (this results in south American deforestation)
They target kids in their advertising of food (I suppose its not too bad toy companies do the same).

oh and i retract my comment about chemicals they add to burgers i heard this but CBA to go looking for citation so it may be true, but it's probably a myth


So are we saying that people or companies have to pass some moral or political test before being allowed to use Linux/Ubuntu?

Who writes and marks the test? That's not what anybody here has said, it has been tried (HESSLA (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hacktivismo_Enhanced-Source_Software_License_Agreement)) but never really took off (probably because its a very incompatible license.


i was directing that towards POS software and other standardized software/hardware that the company will have you use.
The OP, which it seams i was the only person who got a chance to see (I have pm'd the guy and apologised for offending him but hes not reposted it [-( ), he was talking about the software on the TV's in a store, I'd guess they have limits on what they can show on the TV (no porn, etc) but I'd guess they get free range over what to actually run

[forrestcupp]

re EVILNESS
I never said they were evil for getting people fat, I merely consider them evil for

suing everybody (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/McDonald%27s_legal_cases) (in particular this case (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/McLibel))
Specifically targeting thier fast food advertisment at kids
the enviormental dammage they cause ( particularly in south america (http://www.greenpeace.org.uk/media/reports/were-trashin-it) )
Their shady selling practices such as putting chemicals that make you hungry into the burger mix

I can tell you from a lot of experience that your last point is definitely not true.

I've heard of McDonald's getting sued for ridiculous things more than I've heard of them suing anyone.

And what the heck is wrong with a company trying to protect their investment by not disclosing the recipes to their "secret sauce", etc. They're not writing software, here. They are selling tangible items that they spent time and money with R&D to invent. They also spend money making each item, and in advertising. If they gave away all their secrets, any family owned restaurant could take advantage of their hard work without spending a dime on it. Restaurants are in the business to make money. They're not some not-for-profit benevolent charity that exists just because they care about us and they have a heart to help people who are hungry.

Why is it more wrong for McDonald's to target kids than the toy companies? You can get apples instead of french fries, which is healthy. Chucky Cheese targets kids; is that bad?

And to the people trashing McDonald's because they are unhealthy. I can go into any McDonald's and buy a grilled chicken sandwich with tomato and lettuce, a side salad, a fruit parfait, and ice water, and eat healthier than going to a nicer restaurant that isn't known for being unhealthy.

So my point is, we don't live in a bartering world, so McDonald's using Ubuntu doesn't dishonor Ubuntu any more than any other business using Ubuntu, which is something that I thought the people here wanted.

Aside from all this support, I really hate McDonalds food. I just think it's ridiculous to think they're evil.

[Xbehave]

wrong thread

[RevJack]

Seems to me that McDonalds gets sued more than they sue anyone! There have been many frivolous suits filed against them by people who see a chance to get money from businesses with deep pockets, like the grandmother who successfully sued McDonalds because SHE spilled hot coffee on her lap at the drive thru! Its nonsense like this that drives food prices up, and lets not forget the deadbeats who stage "accidents" in grocery, discount, and department stores such as pouring a bottle of shampoo on the aisle and the laying down in it, claiming they slipped and fell because of a spill that nobody cleaned up, and then suing the store.

[hanzomon4]

I've heard their new Angus burgers are good. And while I love beef, it'd be nice if they offered a veggie burger. And actually make a good one, unlike that nasty piece of crap that Burger King sells.

Had one yesterday... so good

[Xbehave]

Seems to me that McDonalds gets sued more than they sue anyone! The facts seam to disagree (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/McDonald%27s_legal_cases)


...like the grandmother who successfully sued McDonalds because SHE spilled hot coffee on her lap at the drive thru!
Erm that's not exactly true, they were serving coffee far too hot and gave a woman 3rd degree burns

Liebeck was taken to the hospital, where it was determined that she had suffered third-degree burns on six percent of her skin and lesser burns over sixteen percent.[11] She remained in the hospital for eight days while she underwent skin grafting. During this period, Liebeck lost 20 pounds (nearly 20% of her body weight), reducing her down to 83 pounds.[12] Two years of medical treatment followed.
....
Liebeck sought to settle with McDonald's for US $20,000 to cover her medical costs, which were $11,000, but the company offered only $800.
.....
During the case, Liebeck's attorneys discovered that McDonald's required franchises to serve coffee at 180–190 °F (82–88 °C). At that temperature, the coffee would cause a third-degree burn in two to seven seconds. Stella Liebeck's attorney argued that coffee should never be served hotter than 140 °F (60 °C), and that a number of other establishments served coffee at a substantially lower temperature than McDonald's. Liebeck's lawyers presented the jury with evidence that 180 °F coffee like that McDonald’s served may produce third-degree burns (where skin grafting is necessary) in about 12 to 15 seconds.


note that they tried to lie in court, in that case.

McDonald's claimed that the reason for serving such hot coffee in its drive-through windows was that, because those who purchased the coffee typically wanted to drive a distance with the coffee, the high initial temperature would keep the coffee hot during the trip.[4] However, the company's own research showed that some customers intend to consume the coffee immediately while driving.[15]





And what the heck is wrong with a company trying to protect their investment by not disclosing the recipes to their "secret sauce", etc.
Nothing is "wrong" with it but it is the oposite of the kind of buisness practice that linux encourages.


They are selling tangible items that they spent time and money with R&D to invent. They also spend money making each item, and in advertising. If they gave away all their secrets, any software company could take advantage of their hard work without spending a dime on it. Software companies are in the business to make money. They're not some not-for-profit benevolent charity that exists just because they care about us and they have a heart to help people who need software.

Open and close business practices can be used across any industry, music, drinks, hardware, etc

[forrestcupp]

Nothing is "wrong" with it but it is the oposite of the kind of buisness practice that linux encourages.


Even the biggest Free Software advocates don't preach that those practices should carry over into the sale of tangible goods. That ideology is for software code that is written once, then licensed and distributed at no or little cost to the distributor. That's a completely different thing than tangible goods that are manufactured at a cost and sold. You can't compare the two markets. If you do, then no business should ever use Linux.

[purgatori]

I don't have a problem with their food (I don't think its nice but hey I like meat in my burgers), my problem is with the ethics of the company (the overall company not individual stores):

They are overly litigious (they sew^H^H^H sue everybody)
They don't do proper checks on their suppliers (this results in south American deforestation)
They target kids in their advertising of food (I suppose its not too bad toy companies do the same).

Aside from the last point (which I don't actually see a problem with in this particular case), you could say the same about just about any large company. Not to excuse individual companies at all here, but unethical practices are virtually woven into the very fabric of the global economy. And I wonder how often we, as consumers, perform proper checks of the goods we purchase such that we ensure they were produced in conformance with our ethical standards? I know I don't (aside from making sure that the food I buy contains no animal products), and unfortunately its not as easy as simply not eating at McDonalds.

PS: By their "suppliers", are you referring to their coffee suppliers? Because I was under the impression that the coffee sourced by McDonalds has been certified by the Rainforest Alliance since 2007.

[K.Mandla]

This is, without a doubt, one of the weirdest threads I've seen in the cafe in a long time. Thanks for the entertainment.

Going all the way back to the OP, though ... pics, or it didn't happen.

[Xbehave]

That ideology is for software code that is written once, then licensed and distributed at no or little cost to the distributor.
That has nothing to do with the ideology of free software, it is more to do with creative commons.


That's a completely different thing than tangible goods that are manufactured at a cost and sold. You can't compare the two markets. If you do, then no business should ever use Linux.
Hardware is a market where tangible goods are sold, yet many open source advocates support open hardware and all support open hardware specification. I'm not saying that they should give their food away, just like nobody (even OSS advocates) says people should give their products away. However they are incredibility secretive ( at least in the we'll sue you if you talk sense ) about their recipes and this is the opposite of open business practise (e.g dell give you the spec of the machine you buy, ASDA/walmart gives a list of ingredients in their premade food, Google tell people the HW they are running even when it has tips/tricks that give them the edge on their competitors, etc).


If you do, then no business should ever use Linux.
Nobody said they shouldn't use Linux, I'm just saying that the business practices they use are the opposite of the business practices most FOSS promoters/users stand for


PS: By their "suppliers", are you referring to their coffee suppliers? Because I was under the impression that the coffee sourced by McDonalds has been certified by the Rainforest Alliance since 2007.
Actually I've heard their drinks are good milkshakes are certified ethical or something, I meant the food for their beef is (or at least was last time I checked) linked to companies who were responsible for deforestation in south America and much like the coca-cola Columbian gorilla incident, they were very reluctant to:
1) accept any responsibility
2) Set rules for potential suppliers


Not to excuse individual companies at all here, but unethical practices are virtually woven into the very fabric of the global economy. And I wonder how often we, as consumers, perform proper checks of the goods we purchase such that we ensure they were produced in conformance with our ethical standards?Good point that is why when a company are unethical enough that I find out about it I stop doing business with them and if there is a company know to employ good ethics (one water, ubuntu cola (unrelated to this distro), anything with a fairtrade logo) I will always preferentially buy their products when I can.