haiku alpha 1 released

[xArv3nx]

didn't see a topic so i thought i'd make one. comments?


he Haiku Project is proud to announce the availability of Haiku R1/Alpha 1, the first official development release of Haiku, an open source operating system that specifically targets personal computing. The purpose of this release is to make a stable development snapshot of Haiku available to a wider audience for more extensive testing and debugging. This will help the Haiku development team identify and address bugs, and thus improve the quality of the system as development keeps advancing towards the subsequent development milestones. Bugs found in Alpha 1 should be reported to the Haiku bug tracking system at http://dev.haiku-os.org.

This first alpha release of Haiku comes approximately eight years after the project kicked off, and is the direct result of the dedication of many volunteer contributors from all over the world. Special thanks go to former Project Leader Michael Phipps, as well as to the small but very resilient group of core developers who stuck with the project throughout the years.

Alpha 1 will be followed by additional development milestones, eventually leading to the long-awaited final release of Haiku R1. These subsequent official milestones will be announced as the release dates are defined by the Haiku development team.

Download (http://haiku-os.org/get-haiku).

Redesigned web page (http://www.haiku-os.org/).

[DeadSuperHero]

Very cool. I'll be sure to do a review with screenshots sometime in the future!

[MaxIBoy]

I'll need to try this with Vbox some time.

[free10]

There must be celebrations in much of the world with this release. Here is a 4 page look at it and its history from OSnews today.
http://www.osnews.com/story/22156/In_the_Round_Haiku_Alpha_Released

I would expect a lot of coders to start coding for it now as interest in it has been picking up in it for the last few years and especially in 2009 it seems.

[Sealbhach]

Wow, they've made it to Alpha! I tried it out last year, it was part of an OS pack I got with Linux Format magazine. Must have a look and so how far they've got.

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[hanzomon4]

I've been watching the project for awhile good to see it's at alpha stage. Trippy really

[free10]

Here are two more articles on it from today I just found.

http://www.ghacks.net/2009/09/15/haiku-giving-life-back-to-be/


http://www.informationweek.com/blog/main/archives/2009/09/haiku_os_beta_1.html;jsessionid=UGKCLN224YP4HQE1GH PSKH4ATMY32JVN

[pelle.k]

Ran it on my LG R500 notebook, nvidia 8600gs, 1650x1080, intel gigabit lan, microsoft wireless keyboard/mouse, intel HDA sound - installed it, and everything worked right out the box (but the wireless). Not everyone will be as lucky as me, but it is a very good indication of the quality of haiku IMHO.
Haiku R2 will probably be *very* impressive.

BTW: it was *fast*! Booted to the desktop in like 10 seconds.

[hambone79]

I've been playing around with it for the last 4 hours or so. I posted a short howto/review of it on my website. I have a short demo video as well:

Howto/Review (http://www.hacksawlabs.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=71:review-haiku-alpha-1&catid=43:reviews&Itemid=53)

In my opinion, the Haiku Alpha 1 release is top notch!

[xArv3nx]

Ran it on my LG R500 notebook, nvidia 8600gs, 1650x1080, intel gigabit lan, microsoft wireless keyboard/mouse, intel HDA sound - installed it, and everything worked right out the box (but the wireless). Not everyone will be as lucky as me, but it is a very good indication of the quality of haiku IMHO.
Haiku R2 will probably be *very* impressive.

BTW: it was *fast*! Booted to the desktop in like 10 seconds.
everything worked here except for 3d. wireless isn't supported and it says so in hte release notes though.

impressive indeed. skyos sucked compared to this. :lolflag:

[handy]

I too have been following Haiku for years, & am so happy to see this release. :D

Following is a copy of one of my posts on the subject at ostalk.org yesterday:
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I have installed Haiku on a the 20GB drive. It didn't take very long.

Even though I've done what is required for it to boot from HDD, it doesn't, so I have to use the LiveCD to start the HDD boot process.

Once started Haiku boots very quickly.

I'm still experiencing the mouse problem where after approx' 2 seconds it disappears into the bottom right corner of the screen, I find that this problem is somewhat inconsistent, in that the time it takes to head for the BRC varies, & that sometimes it will stay where it should; under certain circumstances.

There are some other mouse problems listed in the Haiku bug-tracker, but not exactly the one I'm experiencing. I'll open a bug-tracker account & add this one.

I also experience an already known & open bug; which renders the mouse useless after a warm-boot. Of course this particular problem is non-existent with a cold-boot.

I'm quite sure (well, very hopeful anyway ;)) that these mouse problems will disappear quite quickly.

The poor Haiku dev's are going to be all of a sudden flooded with bug reports I think.

[Mark76]

One of the demos (the star field one) grabs your mouse and won't let go :(

Other problems I had were.

No network detection (iso or live CD via virtualbox)

No mouse detection (running off the live CD)

[free10]

Ran it on my LG R500 notebook, nvidia 8600gs, 1650x1080, intel gigabit lan, microsoft wireless keyboard/mouse, intel HDA sound - installed it, and everything worked right out the box (but the wireless). Not everyone will be as lucky as me, but it is a very good indication of the quality of haiku IMHO.
Haiku R2 will probably be *very* impressive.

BTW: it was *fast*! Booted to the desktop in like 10 seconds.

This is just alpha 1.0 and the progression will go, as I understand it, R1..R1.2...R1.3..ect and then go beta and be a pretty much completed open source version of BeOS 5 with changes and advancements, while R2 will be a different animal not tied to what BeOS did and compatibility with it. I am thinking users of the finished R1 might not care much about R2 or what is there. Once you get speeds down to a few seconds for boot and everything happening in real time along with extreme stability and ease of use whats next LOL

BeOS was extremely fast in the mid 90s, before R5 and here it is at work with 2 PIIs @ 266mhz, and 64mb of ram, and two either 4mb or 8mb video cards plus a 3 gig hard drive.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9eMGbDJmgv0

BeOS by the late 90s, at least, booted in 30 secs or less normally. Todays boot times with Haiku is usually between 7-12 seconds right now but should be faster on modern hardware imho but there is a bug slowing it down "I think".

A new Haiku alpha video just out
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W3dsDf_DkII

Glad it booted so fast for you and as it gets the bugs out and grows a little more I think people will be thrilled with it on virtually any hardware old or new and portable or not. Have a good one.

[HappinessNow]

It has been years since I last tried Haiku and I was impressed back then.

Downloading Haiku now and will test an install of it.

This is very helpful:

How to build Haiku on Mac OS X (http://www.haiku-os.org/documents/dev/how_build_haiku_mac_os_x)

[farvardin]

No network detection (iso or live CD via virtualbox)


try the intel driver in virtualbox. The 2 first ones won't work.

[Regenweald]

I am impressed with the suite of software immediately available. This project is going to pick up a *lot* of momentum very soon :) does anyone have links to more detailed information on the threading aspect of the OS and the filesystem structure and features ?

I remember seeing BeOS on CNN and thinking 'amazing'. very glad to see it's legacy going strong. Would really like to know how Haiku deals with multi threaded processing and how it allows developers to code for it, my understanding is that the difficulty of multi threaded coding for app developers was the bane of BeOS.

[aaaantoine]

Bless the folks that built this project.

That said, I'm staying away until it's more stable, at the very least.

[free10]

I am impressed with the suite of software immediately available. This project is going to pick up a *lot* of momentum very soon :) does anyone have links to more detailed information on the threading aspect of the OS and the filesystem structure and features ?

I remember seeing BeOS on CNN and thinking 'amazing'. very glad to see it's legacy going strong. Would really like to know how Haiku deals with multi threaded processing and how it allows developers to code for it, my understanding is that the difficulty of multi threaded coding for app developers was the bane of BeOS.

Here is one explanation of BeOS difference from all those who claimed to be multi threaded and weren't.

http://stackoverflow.com/questions/461088/os-multi-threading-differences

Here is about Haiku

http://www.haiku-os.org/documents/dev/understanding_the_design_and_requirements_of_multi threaded_applications

Some developers did have a problem with BeOS because it was not more posix compliant though Haiku is and because it demanded at least 2 threads to run and the recommended by the company was 8 or more. Intel had tested it in their labs and found BeOS to be stable with 8 CPUs running at once in the 90s, so 8 threads were "recommended" per app. Intel invested millions in Be Inc.

I think the real developer problem was they could not write "once" for it and have their software on all the other Posix systems. Some complained they did not get enough feed back or help from tiny little Be Inc or they were not being listened too.

Haiku is a very different ballgame now with a little more posix compatibility and being open sourced and under the MIT license it no longer can be stopped (put out of business) by Gates and Jobs.

http://www.birdhouse.org/beos/byte/30-bootloader/

If BeOS or Haiku were hard to code for then it would not be getting apps or drivers the way they do, or fans and Haiku was written by former fans and coders of BeOS from many countries.

[Regenweald]

Here is one explanation of BeOS difference from all those who claimed to be multi threaded and weren't.

http://stackoverflow.com/questions/461088/os-multi-threading-differences

Here is about Haiku

http://www.haiku-os.org/documents/dev/understanding_the_design_and_requirements_of_multi threaded_applications

Some developers did have a problem with BeOS because it was not more posix compliant though Haiku is and because it demanded at least 2 threads to run and the recommended by the company was 8 or more. Intel had tested it in their labs and found BeOS to be stable with 8 CPUs running at once in the 90s, so 8 threads were "recommended" per app. Intel invested millions in Be Inc.

I think the real developer problem was they could not write "once" for it and have their software on all the other Posix systems. Some complained they did not get enough feed back or help from tiny little Be Inc or they were not being listened too.

Haiku is a very different ballgame now with a little more posix compatibility and being open sourced and under the MIT license it no longer can be stopped (put out of business) by Gates and Jobs.

http://www.birdhouse.org/beos/byte/30-bootloader/

If BeOS or Haiku were hard to code for then it would not be getting apps or drivers the way they do, or fans and Haiku was written by former fans and coders of BeOS from many countries.

Thanks for the links, I was over at the authors' site: http://www.yellowbites.com/exposer.html and somehow get the feeling that Haiku was a napping giant. Feels like there are a LOT of projects that kept the embers going and are rearing to go.

[bruno9779]

I have tried to physically install it, but I run in a series of issue:

A - I cuoldn't find any package that supports BEFS, so i see the partition in linux as ext3 with an exclamation mark (it was ext3 before BEFS)

B - I have followed the instructions to Update grub to work with Haiku, but it just doesn't, I cannot determine what is the right entry (hdo,6 does not work, also if the installer says that in befs the first logical partition is always n,4, so the third should be n,6)

Has anyone succesfully managed to install it alongside ubuntu?

[pelle.k]

I cuoldn't find any package that supports BEFS, so i see the partition in linux as ext3 with an exclamation mark (it was ext3 before BEFS)
That's odd. Didn't happen to me. Maybe the partition type is somehow screwed up. You can change it manually with cfdisk, however you have to find out what type BeFS is manually - can't help you there, i'm on another computer ATM.


also if the installer says that in befs the first logical partition is always n,4, so the third should be n,6)
This is not BeFS specific, and yes that is true in most cases. Primary partitions are 0-3, Logical 4>
I bet it's not working because the partition type is wrong.


Has anyone succesfully managed to install it alongside ubuntu?
Yes, I chainloded it just like i would any other bootloader.

[farvardin]

I have tried to physically install it, but I run in a series of issue:

A - I cuoldn't find any package that supports BEFS, so i see the partition in linux as ext3 with an exclamation mark (it was ext3 before BEFS)

B - I have followed the instructions to Update grub to work with Haiku, but it just doesn't, I cannot determine what is the right entry (hdo,6 does not work, also if the installer says that in befs the first logical partition is always n,4, so the third should be n,6)

Has anyone succesfully managed to install it alongside ubuntu?

yes, me (except I'm using it alongside Archlinux ;) )

A > don't bother with creating a befs system from Linux. Just resize/format your partition to vfat or whatever, and label it mybeos for example. Then when running the installer, select this partition and format it to befs. They advice to use gparted and resize the partition from linux because the beos installer may crash your partition when resizing (even though it may work too).
It doesn't matter if the partition is primary or in the extended partition.

B > if you're installing on /dev/sda6 then the entry should look like:

title haiku
root (hd0,5)
chainloader +1