Amazing Gnome Amarok equivalent: Listen

[UbuWu]

I just discovered this amazing music player: Listen. Basically it is the Gnome equivalent of Amarok. See for yourself:

http://listengnome.free.fr/

Debs for breezy and dapper available from that website.

[Lovechild]

I only have one word..

EEEEEK!!!!

Wikipedia tab?? what is this madness??

[UbuWu]

Wikipedia tab?? what is this madness??

Amarok has had this for a while now, I think it is a great feature :KS

[briancurtin]

i just downloaded it and it looks pretty sweet, works well so far

[benplaut]

such a full-featured project on such a low version number and nobody's heard of it!

it doesn't make sense!

[ssam]

and what a fancy website :o

[TechSonic]

It's worthless. I installed it an I'm not getting any sound from any type of media in it. Yet again, XMMS rules.

[Rackerz]

Hmmmmmm, I want to use that! Logging onto to Ubuntu now :D.

[Virogenesis]

nice features indeed looks like it could be a excellent proggie to have installed as default in the future.
I'm liking the fact their is a ubuntu Repository for both breezy and dapper.
How did you find out about this app?
I'm still not sure it could replace my love for beep media player but we'll see.

[Virogenesis]

symlinks don't work when adding folders thats annoying.....
nor does symlinks when adding single files also two of the buttons seem to have images missing from them.
xmms....yuck use beep-media-player :)

[Iandefor]

Excellent! Only one problem with it: if I leave it on while switching desktops, the window disappears. Thankfully, it's still running in the system tray, but it's a wee bit irritating.

[atoponce]

Still a little too beta for me, so AmaroK stays. Good to see a solid Gnome replacement, however.

[byen]

such a full-featured project on such a low version number and nobody's heard of it!
it doesn't make sense!
Yes it doesnt!... Ive searched a lot for various media player I could get my hands on, but I somehow seemed to have missed this...

[majikstreet]

woah... a dapper repo, too!

worked well enough for me... it doesn't replace my ipod, mpd, nor xmms....

[UbuWu]

How did you find out about this app?

http://www.gnomefiles.org

[briancurtin]

symlinks don't work when adding folders thats annoying.....
nor does symlinks when adding single files also two of the buttons seem to have images missing from them.
known bug

[UbuWu]

symlinks don't work when adding folders thats annoying.....
nor does symlinks when adding single files also two of the buttons seem to have images missing from them.

File a bug about it :) Between my first post and now, there already was an update released (0.1-6), so I am sure that would be fixed pretty soon!

Edit: already known indeed.

[UbuWu]

such a full-featured project on such a low version number and nobody's heard of it!

it doesn't make sense!

It is not completely new, it was first developed as a xmms2 client. The thing that is new is that it is a standalone audioplayer now.

See http://wiki.xmms2.xmms.se/index.php/Client:Listen

[cbudden]

How can you put all your music on random?

[angkor]

Looks promising! I'll definately check it out as a possible Amarok replacement.

For now Amarok is here to stay ;)

[MetalMusicAddict]

WOW! Very nice. Shows alot of promise. Thanx for the link.

[endersshadow]

How can you put all your music on random?

This is a bug...it won't let you put it all on random :-|

[dustigroove]

It looks fairly promising, however I'm getting no sound out of Listen 0.1-6 on Breezy.

[krusbjorn]

Looks very promising. Seems to have the features i miss from amarok when using rhythmbox, and from rhythmbox when using amarok. And sound works here. It doesnt work with my multimedia keys though, so i'll stay with rhythmbox for now.

Thanks for sharing!

[potrick]

I get a very odd error message:

File "/usr/bin/listen", line 31, in ?
import bonobo
ImportError: No module named bonobo


Anyone know what's up? I'd ask somewhere else, but here I know everyone knows what sort of program I'm talking about.

I'm really interested in this program, looks like something I've been looking for for a while. Can anyone help?

[Jedeye]

Looks very promising. Seems to have the features i miss from amarok when using rhythmbox, and from rhythmbox when using amarok. And sound works here.

I agree 100% really enjoying it!

[bored2k]

UbuWu, thank you for informing us of this. This application rocks on so many levels it's not even funny. I've been wanting an amaroK equivalent for gnome (or one that doesn't chew up my ram like a crack addict) for ages. This so rocks. Note: I wished it would support gnome's hotkeys, but I'll guess I'll use lineakd for that :).

I'm using an archLinux build by the way, and everything works fine.

[bored2k]

Uber quick update: I just realized it doesn't have last.fm support nor a plugin interface. Last.fm is kinda vital for me :/.

[stoffepojken]

Works great for me so far. This is what I have been looking for. If I only could play all my music random I replace Rhythmbox with this.

[engla]

Looks great, I'm trying it out. Seems like you can do lots of nifty stuff easily with python [which is why I'm learning it; perhpas this is a good program to study].

I just mailed the author about the packages. They are branded i386, but I wonder if they aren't really cross-platform. Not a big deal, installed from the tarball easily.

[matid]

Looks nice, however I find Banshee more than enough.

[newuser111]

doesn't seem to be many options at all to configure and it seems pretty unstable even if it were a beta

[Perfect Storm]

Gonna try it out! If we all bug report when we find a bug I'm sure it gonna rock the world ;)

[zAo]

Looks great, going to try later today.
Who can make a poll for the new audioplayer in Dapper?
* Rhythmbox
* BMP
* Listen
* Banshee
* ..

[wondering_jew]

It looks like a great program...However, for ipod support it has to have libgpod with python bindings (python-gpod), and it seems that these python bindings don't come with the source you download from the gtkpod site, only from cvs... anyone willing to shed some light on all this... I have absolutely no clue about anything having to do with cvs.

[Simian]

I have been waiting for a Gnome equivilent of Amorock for w while now. Tahnks for the link. I've been using it for 5 minutes and so far I'm very impressed. :)

[krusbjorn]

Gonna try it out! If we all bug report when we find a bug I'm sure it gonna rock the world ;)

How I love this attitude.

[dudus]

it freezed as importing my songs (500 only), no last.fm support, won't random tracks and I just couldn't get the libs to try it with my ipod.

Seems more like an alpha than beta for me. But it's something. Not sure if it will ever catch amarok but definitively will rythmbox

[nik]

Hmmm. I'd love to try it, but I'm getting this:



File "/usr/lib/listen/db_manager.py", line 370, in select_request
self.cur.execute( requete )
pysqlite2.dbapi2.Warning: You can only execute one statement at a time.

and it exits (after the splash).

I'm sure this is something with pysqlite, but maybe someone here can give me a hint?

[MetalMusicAddict]

Hey! A new build is out. 0.2-1. Fixed a couple of bugs for me. Man, this is really nice. Fast becomming my favorite player.


For those of you on the fence about it, TRY IT!! :) Add the correct line to your sources list and GO!!! ;)

Ubuntu 5.10 Breezy
deb http://listengnome.free.fr/packages/breezy/ ./

Ubuntu 6.04 Dapper
deb http://listengnome.free.fr/packages/dapper/ ./

[byen]

Hey! A new build is out. 0.2-1. Fixed a couple of bugs for me. Man, this is really nice. Fast becomming my favorite player.

I agree... they seem to have their goals set! I likey ....a lotty! If they keep this up ... we might just be looking at the next big winner!

[newuser111]

the new version seems a bit better, the interface is not as laggy anymore

did you notice it can play video files too, but it crashed after playing last time i tried


shaping up quite nicely, needs some work however

[Sutekh]

Continuous play and random play would be great. Good to see the Radio option in the newer version.

I love the 'Refresh Library' option.

Do any newer releases of Rhythmbox (> 0.9.1) have this feature?

[endersshadow]

Continuous play and random play would be great. Good to see the Radio option in the newer version.

I love the 'Refresh Library' option.

Do any newer releases of Rhythmbox (> 0.9.1) have this feature?

Nope...but for me random play>refresh library...

[Sutekh]

Nope...but for me random play>refresh library...
It did for me too.... until about two hours ago when I tried painfully incorporate alot of random songs into Rhythmbox. It goes without saying that I fudged it bad.

However... 2 hours on, having to choose the next song eveytime is starting to get to me. I just can't win :)

[gosh]

Brilliant!

However, according to their website it should be able to manage your iPod as well. But my iPod Shuffle doesn't show up. Anyone knows how to handle this?

[Perfect Storm]

A new release have seen the light.

[zenwhen]

This looks good enough to replace Rhythmbox in its current state. I am an MPD user, but this is really an awesome way to deal with music.

[bonzodog]

hrm...No 64 bit debs available. I will have to carry on using xmms i guess.

[MetalMusicAddict]

New build out. 0.2.1-1. Listen, Just listen (http://listengnome.free.fr/).

[engla]

hrm...No 64 bit debs available. I will have to carry on using xmms i guess.
Why so? Get the source package. The install from there is super easy and no compilation [what I can see], just some python stuff. The old 0.1.x version and the new 0.2.x both installed fine on my PPC box.

And, use checkinstall, it's your friend for "manual" installs.

[byen]

New build out. 0.2.1-1. Listen, Just listen (http://listengnome.free.fr/).
for the second time in the same thread I quote you.... LOL.. thanks MMA, I just updated my Listen player and to be frank... though its not there yet..its looks promising to say the least. And what more... I just realized it plays wma's too (dont ask! long story!)

[Stormy Eyes]

Sweet. Now I can chuck amarok.

[BLTicklemonster]

Oooo, I'm to heck with scripting, it's not working right anyway... I'm booting to ubuntu and checking this one out.

[stoffepojken]

This is getting better and better :)

[Sutekh]

* Add random play all song in library (see preference dialog for option)
Can't wait to get home to have a play

[gord]

reminds me of ocarina of time...

[granite230]

I think I like XMMS better... I just love that compact music player that just plays my music. It looks better with a beautiful skin and it's just not... full screen.

I don't have an Ipod (so I don't need to manage it... twice) and I burn my audio cd's with GnomeBaker. Another really compact program.

I just don't like tons of options and features in one program, filling the entire screen. I like compact programs that do one thing best.

Though this seems to be a really nice musicplayer for people who do like tons of features in one screen plus Ipod support. I might give it a try someday, though I'll probably never own an Ipod... I don't like 'useless' features either.

[BLTicklemonster]

I got it, but it didn't play my mp3s.

[MetalMusicAddict]

for the second time in the same thread I quote you.... LOL.. thanks MMA, I just updated my Listen player and to be frank... though its not there yet..its looks promising to say the least. And what more... I just realized it plays wma's too (dont ask! long story!)
Im just tryin to keep everyone up to date. The dev for this seems to move real fast. :)

Anyone using this please file a bug report/feature request on the site if you have problems. It makes a difference.


I got it, but it didn't play my mp3s.
Really? Weird. Run it from the terminal and see what happens.

[UbuWu]

I have never seen bugs I reported being fixed as fast as this before! :KS

[Havoc]

Wow, I just installed this, and....wow....

*Much* more stable than Banshee...

*Much* better than Rhythmbox 0.9.3...

Right now, this is the nicest Library-Based Music Player I've used...The OSD is a nice touch. ;)

[asimon]

I only have one word..

EEEEEK!!!!

Wikipedia tab?? what is this madness??
I like and use that feature and am happy to have it that easily available in my music player. Much more convenient (and faster) that changing to the browser, open an other tab and search for the wiki page myself. And for the occasions when I don't use it it doesn't confuse me to have it in the GUI, not the slightest.

[MetalMusicAddict]

There is a new ticket on the bug list talking about Copyright infringement (http://listengnome.free.fr/index.php?nom_page=bug&array_param=detail_bug_91). Anyone have any info on this?

[Stormy Eyes]

There is a new ticket on the bug list talking about Copyright infringement (http://listengnome.free.fr/index.php?nom_page=bug&array_param=detail_bug_91). Anyone have any info on this?

No info, and I haven't seen any proof.

[Orunitia]

The debs are down and the repository isn't working. I wanted to try this. :(

[johannes]

edit: Orunitia was faster than me...

[pulp]

Here is the answer why he took it down

http://piman.livejournal.com/

[kanem]

Here is the answer why he took it down

http://piman.livejournal.com/
From the above:

Your program is ugly. But beyond that, it's infringing upon my copyright and that of my friends. Your mmkey support, on-screen display, config.py, stock.py, much of your utils.py, and probably more but because I'm already angry enough I'm going to stop looking, is taken directly from my audio player, Quod Libet.
....
Remove my code from your ****, until you can learn how to properly, and legally, credit people.

Well, I hope Listen's author rightfully credits this guy and puts the program back up. I like it better than Quod Libet in several ways.

[aerials]

Damn, I knew it was too good to be true.

I hope he can work out the differences with the quod libet autor and give him proper credit in the future. It would be a shame if this player disappeared.

[MetalMusicAddict]

Heres the front page now:


Temporarily close

Listen doesn't respect some copyright,

the project is temporarily stopped, the time to do what is necessary

and giving the appropriate credits to the people concerned,

like the creators of Quodlibet/Mutagen who without those listen would be nothing

All my excuses to Joe Wreschnig.

Sorry for disagree

[zenwhen]

Here is a checkinstall created Breezy i386 .deb for Quod Libet & Ex Falso:

http://troymcferron.com/files/quodlibet-0.17.1_0.17.1-1_i386.deb

Install with:


sudo dpkg -i quodlibet-0.17.1_0.17.1-1_i386.deb

[Virogenesis]

Whats interesting is that Listen started off as a Xmms Client (http://64.233.179.104/search?q=cache:Wo6EwCKDGaQJ:wiki.xmms2.xmms.se/index.php/Client:Listen+listen+xmms2&hl=en&gl=us&ct=clnk&cd=1)

But yeah its a shame for you lot anyway

[raublekick]

You also licensed all the code under "GNU GPL v2 or later". You can't do that. Quod Libet's source is released under the GNU GPL, version 2.

hehe... we have a Linus on our hands! just kidding, i understand his complaints.

[chaumurky]

Ugh, damn. 9 hours too late....

[XQC]

Though this does explain, why this software dropped out of nowhere.

[TechSonic]

Heres the front page now:


Serves em right for ripping people off and making a lousy application that doesn't even play the music.

[krusbjorn]

Serves em right for ripping people off and making a lousy application that doesn't even play the music.

it probably just didnt like your taste. It played mine flawlessly.

[UbuWu]

Serves em right for ripping people off.

Ripping people off? It is one of the beauties of open source that you can reuse other peoples code in your own applications and it is great that that allows for rapid development of applications. I hope he corrects the copyright problems soon and continues to develop this great app!

[Stormy Eyes]

Ripping people off? It is one of the beauties of open source that you can reuse other peoples code in your own applications and it is great that that allows for rapid development of applications.

He reused other people's code without giving credit. In New York, that's called "ripping people off".

[UbuWu]

He reused other people's code without giving credit.

Of course that is not a nice thing, but I just hope he corrects the situation quickly and goes on with the app.

[endersshadow]

He also released it under GPLv2 or higher, whereas the original was only released under GPLv2. The part where he didn't give credit is a jerk thing to do, though not illegal. He violated the license of Quod. If he just releases Listen under the GPLv2 and gives credit to Quod where due, he would be able to put it right back up...

[raublekick]

My question is: If he pretty much uses a large part of Quod Libet's code base, and people seem to really like this, why isn't Quod Libet all that popular?

I haven't tried either, I'm just curious.

[jrib]

I haven't read anything by the actual author of listen. The fact he took it down so quickly could mean the lack of acknowledgement wasn't malicious. Maybe he just didn't understand how GPL works exactly... Of course, I'm just speculating...

[Simian]

I get the impression that the author of Quod didn't try to contact the author of Listen to discuss the situation before he got so mad. Don't get me wrong, he has a right to be angry. I just wish the situation could have been dealt with better.

It's such a shame because I was/am very excited about Listen. :(

[endersshadow]

You can tell that the author of listen has very poor English (he's French). Has anyone tried contacting him?

[Sirin]

You can tell that the author of listen has very poor English (he's French). Has anyone tried contacting him?

I would, but nobody EVER answers any of my email. :evil:

[kanem]

My question is: If he pretty much uses a large part of Quod Libet's code base, and people seem to really like this, why isn't Quod Libet all that popular?

I haven't tried either, I'm just curious.
They don't actually look and feel the same. The UI is quite different. I wouldn't have guessed Listen derived from Quod. I liked Listen much better. Especially this last version. I guess others did too.

Anyway, his site says he'll put it back up when he's fixed the copyright issues.

[TechSonic]

I want this dude to make a version that actually plays music. I get album info, play list and the rest of the usefull crud, but it doesn't actually play the audio part. The play button is there, but it doesn't actually play. See my point? XMMS, Totem, Rythmbox, CD Player, M Player, Realplayer and Audacity play sound perfectly. So I know it's not my "Setup".

Not even the said original code of Quod Libet even works. All it's funtions show, but it doesn't play the actuall audio. So it's really obvious the code was ripped. Bad choice of code to steal, I might add.

[gosh]

You can tell that the author of listen has very poor English (he's French). Has anyone tried contacting him?

I received an email from him after I filed a bug on his site.
So, somewhere in my inbox I will still have is coordinates.
But...that's on my other machine :???:

I'll take a look tomorrow and see if he will respond to my mail.
I can even try in French:idea: , but I expect that his English is better than my French

EDIT: I just visited his website http://listengnome.free.fr/. He admits his mistake, it was his first project.
He is not likely to respond for the next weeks, but he has left a email-address

[MetalMusicAddict]

I want this dude to make a version that actually plays music. I get album info, play list and the rest of the usefull crud, but it doesn't actually play the audio part. The play button is there, but it doesn't actually play. See my point? XMMS, Totem, Rythmbox, CD Player, M Player, Realplayer and Audacity play sound perfectly. So I know it's not my "Setup".

Not even the said original code of Quod Libet even works. All it's funtions show, but it doesn't play the actuall audio. So it's really obvious the code was ripped. Bad choice of code to steal, I might add.
How about helping him out? Some people like to bitch and not help. Which one are you? I actually think you are missing something somehow with your install. I have zero problems with either app.

A library is the one thing I think Quod Libet needs. Listen is shaping up great and I cant wait to see what it looks like 6 months from now after the author crosses his "t's" and dots his "i's".


I haven't read anything by the actual author of listen. The fact he took it down so quickly could mean the lack of acknowledgement wasn't malicious. Maybe he just didn't understand how GPL works exactly... Of course, I'm just speculating...
I agree with this.

[Sutekh]

I agree with both _jason and MetalMusicAddict. He may have thought changing the licence from GPL v2.0 to GPL v2.0 and newer was not a problem. It's not like he tried to re-licence it, away from the GPL, closing it off to other people. I would have been confused by that distinction.

[byen]

Hey guys, the author seems to have given us an update...here goes..

Temporarily close
Listen doesn't respect some copyright,
the project is temporarily stopped, the time to do what is necessary
and giving the appropriate credits to the people concerned,
like the creators of Quodlibet/Mutagen who without those listen would be nothing
All my excuses to Joe Wreschnig
Sorry for disagree

Update 09-02-06
Listen is my first project and i have made a big mistake
If you are donwload previous release of listen please apply the below copyright
The next release and web site will have the correct copyright & credit for person above
Unfortunately I must go away during 3 week the website will be thus offline until March
Below you can see why Joe Wreschnig is too angry although I found his reaction very excessive.
If i have missed some thing or something is incorrect
please mail me at theli48[AT]gmail[DOT]com

Mehdi Abaakouk
Well.. I guess things are at a stand-still right now... Hope things get resolved and we get to the see the final, finished product pretty soon.

[doclivingston]

The part where he didn't give credit is a jerk thing to do, though not illegal.

Not giving credit isn't illegal. However the comments by the author of Quod Libet, say that he removed the copyright statements - which is a violation of copyright and the GPL.


(side note: copyright violations aren't usually illegal, per se, just makes you able to be sued).

[newuser111]

Here is a checkinstall created Breezy i386 .deb for Quod Libet & Ex Falso:

http://troymcferron.com/files/quodlibet-0.17.1_0.17.1-1_i386.deb

Install with:


sudo dpkg -i quodlibet-0.17.1_0.17.1-1_i386.deb


can only play OGG files not MP3s, also it didnt create any menu entries

[MetalMusicAddict]

Works fine here.

[Delvien]

Quod Libet doesn't properly pick up my music files. As far as I'm concerned, the guy that constructed Listen made Quod Libet usable.

[briancurtin]

I want this dude to make a version that actually plays music. I get album info, play list and the rest of the usefull crud, but it doesn't actually play the audio part. The play button is there, but it doesn't actually play. See my point? XMMS, Totem, Rythmbox, CD Player, M Player, Realplayer and Audacity play sound perfectly. So I know it's not my "Setup".

Not even the said original code of Quod Libet even works. All it's funtions show, but it doesn't play the actuall audio. So it's really obvious the code was ripped. Bad choice of code to steal, I might add.
if it doesnt play, something is missing, and it is your "setup"

bad choice of code to steal? all of your posts crack me up over the last few days.

[psychicdragon]

I'm listening to music with Quod Libet right now. What's wrong with it?

[UbuWu]

can only play OGG files not MP3s

Does mp3 playback work for you in other programs? If not, you should probably install the gstreamer-mad package.

[MetalMusicAddict]

God I hope this project doesnt die. Ive used Listen in the past week probally more than any other music app. It has so much potential.

My favorite app right now. Even at its last release its awesome.

[krusbjorn]

I got the listen_0.1-6 version before the site went down. Is there a later version? If yes, could someone maybe host it temporarily or send a mail with it attached to joohannes AT gmail DOT com?

I would greatly appreciate it. Really. I love this app.

[MetalMusicAddict]

0.2-1 was the last but I got it from their repo and have cleaned out my cache.

[bom28]

You should check this one : gMusicBrowser (http://squentin.free.fr/gmusicbrowser/gmusicbrowser.html)

It's a very original player, very solid, great for my _huge_ collection of mp3/ogg, and for playing in full random.

The screenshots on the site are only one face, by changing the 'layout' in the preferences you can have other very different faces. :-D

[krusbjorn]

You should check this one : gMusicBrowser (http://squentin.free.fr/gmusicbrowser/gmusicbrowser.html)

It's a very original player, very solid, great for my _huge_ collection of mp3/ogg, and for playing in full random.

The screenshots on the site are only one face, by changing the 'layout' in the preferences you can have other very different faces. :-D

WOW.

Edit: Now that i have installed the mpg321, ogg123 and flac123 packages, and tried this app out a bit, i'm completely blown away! This rocks! Thanks so much for sharing! This does everything i ever wanted a music player to do!

[Simian]

Sorry for going a bit off topic but I didn't know where else to post this. Why does Listen mix up all the songs in an album. It's like it doesn't recognize song numbers. I think it puts them in alphabetical order. Can I fix this?

[briancurtin]

Sorry for going a bit off topic but I didn't know where else to post this. Why does Listen mix up all the songs in an album. It's like it doesn't recognize song numbers. I think I puts them in alphabetical order. Can I fix this?
edit their tag information. if you dont have the track numbers in the tag, it goes by track name i think.


the one thing i miss here in Arch is that i lost Listen since it isnt available anymore. i liked that program a lot, but im looking forward to the guy making the proper changes and re-releasing it

[MetalMusicAddict]

Sorry for going a bit off topic but I didn't know where else to post this. Why does Listen mix up all the songs in an album. It's like it doesn't recognize song numbers. I think I puts them in alphabetical order. Can I fix this?
This happened to me also but I just clicked on the "track #" column to reorder them before I enque them.

[Simian]

mine doesn't have any Track numbers
http://www.bward.co.uk/images/Screenshot.png
and if I try to enter them nothing happens???

[Bandit]

Looks like Elvis has left the building.

[jasay]

mine doesn't have any Track numbers
http://www.bward.co.uk/images/Screenshot.png
and if I try to enter them nothing happens???Are they ogg files? There was a bug about listen not recognizing ogg track numbers before the project went down. Left me hanging too since I just finished reripping my whole library as ogg.:(

[Simian]

Are they ogg files? There was a bug about listen not recognizing ogg track numbers before the project went down. Left me hanging too since I just finished reripping my whole library as ogg.:(

That's right, they are ogg files. Glad it's not just me then. :D

[engla]

It's unfortunate that this project got interrupted.. hopefully it will come back in some fashion, or the ideas will be picked back up by other related projects.

That said.. license and attribution IS important, and for me it's like a reminder of all teh great things that we just SHARE!

[miscz]

Looks very nice, I hope they sort the copyright problems soon. I didn't get to download source or debs unfortunately (I'd appreciate a mirror tough ;)).

I don't think the author had any malicious purpose :\

[Maupertus]

Nah, not for me, I'll keep rhythmbox!

[USA1]

I tried to get it, but the website is down due to copyright issues....

[bored2k]

I tried to get it, but the website is down due to copyright issues....
O_O

[foxy123]

it's back on-line... let me try it...

[miscz]

It's back, seems that license issues were resolved :)

[edit] seems that I've posted at the same time with foxy123 ;p

[jasay]

It's back, seems that license issues were resolved :)

[edit] seems that I've posted at the same time with foxy123 ;p
Hey miscz. Is it working for you? I get this error in Dapper:
Traceback (most recent call last):
File "/usr/bin/listen", line 370, in ?
Listen()
File "/usr/bin/listen", line 125, in __init__
self.run()
File "/usr/bin/listen", line 228, in run
self.player = ListenUIPlayer(self.osd)
File "/usr/lib/listen/player.py", line 50, in __init__
self.gst_player = GstPlayer(self)
File "/usr/lib/listen/gstplayer.py", line 49, in __init__
self.bin_fade_in = self.make_bin()
File "/usr/lib/listen/gstplayer.py", line 301, in make_bin
if val.type == gconf.VALUE_STRING: sink_name = val.get_string()
AttributeError: 'NoneType' object has no attribute 'type'

[MetalMusicAddict]

Woot!! Its back. Good to see its all worked out. Downloading now. ;)

[super]

i finally get to try out this player!
it looks super cool.

it's very functional and the wikipedia lookup is really nice.
i'm having some bugs with the osd so i had to disable it but otherwise it's been perfect. and i find it than it seems to run faster than banshee.

[grte]

Man, this program is already looking like a decent replacement for amarok. Not as polished, but integration with gnome makes up for that.

I'm excited to see where it goes.

[xmastree]

Hmm... :-k

Looks good so far...

[chaumurky]

When I try to add my music library it locks giving:



Traceback (most recent call last):
File "/usr/lib/listen/file_inspector.py", line 100, in parse_directory
list = parse_dir(d)
File "/usr/lib/listen/file_inspector.py", line 79, in parse_dir
if utils.get_ext(fn) in READ_EXTENTIONS:
File "/usr/lib/listen/utils.py", line 64, in get_ext
return uri[uri.rindex("."):].lower()
ValueError: substring not found

Not much to go on...

[DrFunkenstein]

When I try to add my music library it locks giving:



Traceback (most recent call last):
File "/usr/lib/listen/file_inspector.py", line 100, in parse_directory
list = parse_dir(d)
File "/usr/lib/listen/file_inspector.py", line 79, in parse_dir
if utils.get_ext(fn) in READ_EXTENTIONS:
File "/usr/lib/listen/utils.py", line 64, in get_ext
return uri[uri.rindex("."):].lower()
ValueError: substring not found

Not much to go on...
Seems to be a known bug:
http://gnomefiles.org/comment.php?soft_id=1274#4924
http://gnomefiles.org/comment.php?soft_id=1274#4925

[xmastree]

I tried to add my entire collection, 50GB, and it had a thrombo. So, I knocked it on the head and added just one section. That was ok. Now I'm adding the lot again...
It's stopped playing though. Unlike rhythmbox, where you can select the first track and it will step through them all, this one only seems to play what's in the list.
And it's busy loading up all my songs now so i can't make it play anything.

[ComplexNumber]

Listen looks quite a promising application. i never did warm to amarok because the common consensus amongst users is that its as buggy as heck and unstable....so my experiences with it are certainly not isolated incidences, but are, in fact, the norm for amorak. the general bugginess of many kde application is probably due mainly to all that overhyped integration that they go on and on about. integration really is not a good thing.

[foxy123]

yes, it's a decent player. I love amarok, but it erquires some much kde stuff to be installed that I was looking for something more gnomish.

I tried Quod Libet, which is also nice. The problem is that I am unable to add any extra plugins to it.

[darkmatter]

Nice features.... seems like a decent app... runs well enough...

But talk about horrid UI design...:-#

[Zeroangel]

On first impression, this seems to blow Amarok (interface is too convoluted) and rhythmbox (too simplistic and buggy) out of the water; heck it even seems to be better than Winamp 5 (WA5 doesnt have Last.fm, Lyrics and Wikipedia lookups).

I've experienced at least one bug that has caused sounds from other programs to continue playing after the programs close (quick restart of X doesnt fix) and another bug where sound starts at 0 whenever a song is played (setting the volume to high and restarting seems to fix). It's bugtastic right now, but damn, it has potential.

[nalmeth]

Dapper users
Is it working for you? I tried today, and it shows the splash screen but crashes/closes abrubtly.

Have they changed the interface yet? I loved 1.6, but I could not stand the location window right in the middle taking up all the space, and inability to adjust other windows...

[nik]

I have the same... Exits with this:


nik@ubuntu:~$ listen
Traceback (most recent call last):
File "/usr/bin/listen", line 336, in ?
Listen()
File "/usr/bin/listen", line 120, in __init__
self.run()
File "/usr/bin/listen", line 223, in run
self.player = ListenUIPlayer(self.osd)
File "/usr/lib/listen/player.py", line 49, in __init__
self.gst_player = GstPlayer(self)
File "/usr/lib/listen/gstplayer.py", line 46, in __init__
if val.type == gconf.VALUE_STRING: sink_name = val.get_string()
AttributeError: 'NoneType' object has no attribute 'type'
nik@ubuntu:~$

[nalmeth]

I'm getting:

'esdsink' failed, falling back to osssink (no element "esdsink").
No audio sink found for Gstreamer

Good place to start anyway, probably something wrong with Gstreamer, might wait for updates or something.
How about interface though? Improved in new version?

[ComplexNumber]

I'm getting:

'esdsink' failed, falling back to osssink (no element "esdsink").
No audio sink found for Gstreamer
Good place to start anyway, probably something wrong with Gstreamer, might wait for updates or something.
How about interface though? Improved in new version? try 'gst-register' on the command line. perhaps the plugins aren't registered with gstreamer yet.

[nalmeth]

gst-register on its own gets command not found. Is this a sign somethings missing?

[FoxLogic]

Hey this app is pretty cool. It works awesome.

[ComplexNumber]

gst-register on its own gets command not found. Is this a sign somethings missing? gst-register is used to register the plugins with gstreamer. i remember when i tried to use rhythmbox(i think) with gstreamer and i got some dialogue saying something about having to run the 'gst-register' on the command line. so i did and everything worked fine.
it means you haven't got 'gstreamer-tools'. it tells you about it here:
http://rpm.pbone.net/index.php3/stat/4/idpl/1952727/com/gstreamer-tools-0.8.10-1.i386.rpm.html

[nalmeth]

installed gstreamer-tools with apt, but gst-register not included.. esdsink missing -- is this included in an extra esd package somewhere? Am I the only dapper user with this prob? Must be due to recent updates.

[ComplexNumber]

installed gstreamer-tools with apt, but gst-register not included.. esdsink missing -- is this included in an extra esd package somewhere? Am I the only dapper user with this prob? Must be due to recent updates.
perhaps that means that there is another package called gst-register.

btw its only a reasoned guess that the lack of gstreamer-tools and gst-register is causing the problems that you're having, but i guess it does no harm to install them. i don't know about the esdsink probelem. perhaps you haven't got esdsound or esdaemon packages.

[bom28]

Nice, but I'll stay with gmusicbrowser (I mentioned it earlier), much more powerful IMHO
http://squentin.free.fr/gmusicbrowser/gmusicbrowser.html

[dabear]

This is the code around line 300 of gstplayer.py:


c = gconf.client_get_default()
val = c.get("/system/gstreamer/0.8/default/audiosink")
if val.type == gconf.VALUE_STRING: sink_name = val.get_string()
else: sink_name = "alsasink"

As you can see, it depends on gstreamer 0.8. installing some packages from gstreamer0.8-* fixed it.
Unforunately, I now get this error:


'esdsink' failed, falling back to osssink (no element "esdsink").
No audio sink found for Gstreamer

Also tried to change «/system/gstreamer/0.8/default/audiosink» to «/system/gstreamer/0.10/default/audiosink» but then I get «autoaudiosink». I'll post back if I manage to figure this out..

[dabear]

Ok, fixed the esdsink error by installing the «gstreamer0.8-esd»-package



'esdsink' failed, falling back to osssink (no element "esdsink").
No audio sink found for Gstreamer

[MetalMusicAddict]

Its not adding my collection. Just sits there like its working but after 2 hrs nothings changed. It used to add the music really fast.

I also dont like the UI redesigns. I liked having the toggle button to open-close the library. It would be ok to have a hotkey to cycle through the modes. I also dont like that I cant hide the middle pane. The one with the different catigories. Library, wikipedia and such.

I really like this app. Im gonna have to dig in and make the changes myself.

The bug page has changed on the site. I liked the old one.

[Minyaliel]

Wow. That's all I can say on my first impression on this app. If I used gnome today, I'd definitely install it. *loves her precious amaroK*

[nalmeth]

I also dont like that I cant hide the middle pane.
It's still there??!
Really, what is the thinking behind having this window take up so much space, and right in the middle too!! I'd love to use this app but that is a big deal to me :(

[nalmeth]

Ok, fixed the esdsink error by installing the «gstreamer0.8-esd»-package
Where did you get the package? with apt? download a .deb? I have exact same error (on dapper)

[MetalMusicAddict]

I just tried gmusicbrowser. Not bad. I dont think anyone has found the perfect balance yet. I hope someone does it.

I have Listen, Amarok, Banshee, Muine, Quod Libet, gmusicbrowser and Rhythmbox all installed. All of them have something a little better than the other but none quite "do it all" for me. Nothing like Winamp anyway. Need to narrow it down. ;)

[xmastree]

Its not adding my collection. Just sits there like its working but after 2 hrs nothings changed.I left mine overnight, but in the morning it still hadn't added all. Had to kill it again. :(

Shame, it looks promising. If only it worked.

[WelterPelter]

Appears to be dutifully chugging away, but hours later, it still hasn't imported my music. *nuked*

[MetalMusicAddict]

Appears to be dutifully chugging away, but hours later, it still hasn't imported my music. *nuked*
Seems to be a symptom of the .3 release. Im sure it will be fixed.

[xmastree]

Interesting...
I just tried to import a folder, and immediateld it started flashing up the track names as it did it. Its' a big folder, over 1000 tracks, and it handled it.

What I don't like though, is the total lack of response to anything when it's starting up. An indication that it hasn't crashed would be nice.

I think I'll stick with rhythmbox and a nice desklet for now, but I'll keep an eye on this one. It shows promise.

[Stormy Eyes]

Now that I've gotten gmusicbrowser to download the album covers, I have to admit that I'm not all that impressed with Listen anymore; especially since .3 doesn't actually play my MP3 files any longer, despite my having both the 0.8 and 0.10 versions of gstreamer's MP3 plugin installed.

[krusbjorn]

Now that I've gotten gmusicbrowser to download the album covers, I have to admit that I'm not all that impressed with Listen anymore; especially since .3 doesn't actually play my MP3 files any longer, despite my having both the 0.8 and 0.10 versions of gstreamer's MP3 plugin installed.

Hey Stormy, can gmusicbrowser download the covers automatically? I only found the function to google for it and set it manually. Thanks.

[Stormy Eyes]

Hey Stormy, can gmusicbrowser download the covers automatically? I only found the function to google for it and set it manually. Thanks.

No, there's no auto-download.

[Ultimo Aliento]

Great application !!!

I got a question... Listen seems sloppy in my machine, it works, but sometimes i only listen the music and the application seems to crash... just to start working again in like 30 secs... this is a problem with my system ? , a bug ? if this is a bug, i just report the bug with something like this? :

"Listen sloppy, dont works so great in my system"

I supose that a bug report like that dont have any use :P

[MetalMusicAddict]

0.3.1 is out. Fixed my bug. Wouldnt add the directory. Just sat there.

[xmastree]

Could you clarify that please?
Fixed your bug but wouldn't add the directory
or:
Fixed your bug which was wouldn't add the directory

[MetalMusicAddict]

You got it. You had the same problem right?

[Global Havok]

I had a similar issue with adding my root music directory. Narrowed the problem down to be files with odd characters in them. For example AlbumArt{asdfasdfas}.jpg. Or nfo files that come from downloaded *ahem* backups.

Try manually adding each album individually, this will help you locate the subdirectory that has the files that are causing the problem.

I spent the better part of an hour figuring this out... there's already a bug posted on the projects website.

[xmastree]

Mine just sat there trying to add files. All night. But if I added a smaller folder it was ok.

Does 0.3.1 fix this?

[MetalMusicAddict]

I just added 12000 songs over 802.11b. ;) Yea a big folder should work. :)

[xmastree]

Seems to be working... the filenames are showing this time.

BTW, It seems I already had 0.3.1, the latest is 0.3.1-1

[WelterPelter]

Yeah, it's loading all 6,700+ files this time. Can't wait to check it out!

[m666]

does it have equalizer?

[MetalMusicAddict]

No. Weird thing is most player apps dont.

[WelterPelter]

Well, 20 minutes of loading later, it's finally working. Pretty cool. I don't see why it's any better/different than Amarock, though. (Just that it's gnome?)

[m666]

Pity. I'll stay with xmms. (Amarok is using 30-50% of my CPU). As you know metal music sounds ****** without equalizer ;)

[Simian]

i remember there was a bug with Listen rearanging ogg files. It wouldn't recocnise ogg file track numbers or something but MP3's were fine.
Has this bug been fixed? I don't want to convert all my music collection to MP3.

[Stormy Eyes]

"Listen sloppy, dont works so great in my system"

I supose that a bug report like that dont have any use :P

No, but I get bug reports like that all the time at work. In private, I mutter, "Yeah, that's really f---ing helpful".

[zachtib]

Is there any way to make listen support tag writing for aac files?
Or, would converting all my music to mp3 cause a loss in quality?

[Stormy Eyes]

Is there any way to make listen support tag writing for aac files?
Or, would converting all my music to mp3 cause a loss in quality?

Expect a quality loss when converting from AAC to MP3.

[mcduck]

I found a fun bug today. With the new version I finally could add all my music to library. After that, when I pushed play I only got 5 secs of the song fading out. After turning crossfade off it worked, but I lost sound after every song change. I had to move volume slider a bit to get sound back. Bit annoying :)

Anyway, I found out that the problem was that Listen tried to download and save pictures for albums using artist tag from in filenames. And I have some AC/DC.. The slash in filenames isn't going to work, but Listen kept on trying anyway.. I had to change all tags to AC-DC and now sound works again :rolleyes:

So watch out for special characters in tags.

[xmastree]

So, it only played 5 seconds of your AC/DC? Maybe it has taste... :rolleyes:

I find that I get a white screen/lack of responsiveness now and again which makes it seem like it's crashed. I suspect it's trying to find lyrics or covers.

I'm back to rhythmbox again for now, and my corner desklet.

[MetalMusicAddict]

So, it only played 5 seconds of your AC/DC? Maybe it has taste...
Oh no you didnt. :)

[briancurtin]

Pity. I'll stay with xmms. (Amarok is using 30-50% of my CPU). As you know metal music sounds ****** without equalizer ;)
ive never found that to be the case. i rarely, if ever, use an equalizer with anything i listen to (including various types of metal).

[xmastree]

Oh no you didnt. :)
Heh, reminds me of the readme/FAQ for some ripper program I used to have.

Q. I ripped some music, but it sounded awful
A. Maybe it was country & western music.
:twisted:

[MetalMusicAddict]

I think its Grip. :) This is gonna eat at me till I find out for sure but I gotta wait till tomorrow. Gotta sleep.

[mcduck]

So, it only played 5 seconds of your AC/DC? Maybe it has taste... :rolleyes:

I didn't think about that :rolleyes:

But then again, It must be pretty stupid as I managed to fool it with a simple renaming trick :D

[Simian]

Does anyone find that Listen freezes while you are scrolling through your library? It's happend about 6 times tonight.

[pgmario]

For everyone experiencing sound problems with Listen:

http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=44753

I only had stuttering sound in Listen until I followed the instructions mentioned in that thread.
And what a great application Listen is, I've been waiting for this for a long time. Amarok is still better, but Listen has everything I need and it's GTK.

[noObiE_4_life]

With lots of great software out there, its tough to really find the jewels.

Quod Libet? Its a player Ive never seen it mentioned here, but for me, it's the simplest, most effective alternative. Easily lets you choose how you want to get at your music. Software seems to go beneath everones radar somehow. Probably the name. If someone recommends it to you, you'll never remeber what it was! (unless you were good in latin in school...)

http://www.sacredchao.net/quodlibet

Take a look at it!

[bugmenot]

Yes, people, you are all misled by visions inflicted by the Itunes disease. Use Quod Libet more. It's not for everyone it seems but it needs more (well intentioned) support.

BTW, now with MP4 tagging. And I was good at latin in school.

[macerata]

For me Amarok is the standard-bearer. I haven't come across a better music player.

[ComplexNumber]

For me Amarok is the standard-bearer. I haven't come across a better music player. amarok is far from being a standard bearer as a music player. its more of a jack of all trades type of app. as a music player, its crap. too crashy and unintuitive. for a music player, best sticking to something that does its job and does it well, and doesn't try to do everything else.

[macerata]

What's wrong with functionality? It does it well enough for me. It's innovative and covers all the bases - I don't need to faff about with this and that app when I can do pretty much what I want to with it.

1) it's hardly crap
2) it occasionally crashes (big wow, easily fixed - mplayer crashes more often...is that crap, too?)
3) unintuitive? What are you on about?

So what is this app that's best sticking to, Sherlock?

Likes I said, for me it's the standard-bearer. It does its job, does it well, and has a lot of functionality to boot.

[ComplexNumber]

What's wrong with functionality? It does it well enough for me. It's innovative and covers all the bases - I don't need to faff about with this and that app when I can do pretty much what I want to with it.

1) it's hardly crap
2) it occasionally crashes (big wow, easily fixed - mplayer crashes more often...is that crap, too?)
3) unintuitive? What are you on about?

So what is this app that's best sticking to, Sherlock?

Likes I said, for me it's the standard-bearer. It does its job, does it well, and has a lot of functionality to boot.
maybe he meant to say music player/manager/organiser/web-browser/etc. as a player, its cack.

as a music player, best sticking to something like alsaplayer.

Signed

Sherlock

[macerata]

Try sticking to the points we're making. So, instead of just spouting that you think Amarok's cack as a player - I disagree - try saying why you think it's cack.

For me it's fine, and I suspect it is for others. To give you an example, it's got an equaliser, like many other players, so I can get the sound I want. Try saying what it is about it that turns you off and what makes alsaplayer better. Merely stating that it sounds better is subjective and needs backing up - remember, others read these posts and try to make informed choices after reading them.

So, for me, as a player, Amarok's fine. Add to that the functionality of it - much of which you'll find in a number of other players (playlists, for example, aren't a plague) - and you've got what I think is the best music app on Linux.

The only disadvantage of it for me is that I run Gnome, and so I need to install KDE libraries for it. But it's worth it.

[ComplexNumber]

Try sticking to the points we're making. So, instead of just spouting that you think Amarok's cack as a player - I disagree - try saying why you think it's cack. can't you read my post? as a player, amarok is rather sparse. the functionality that alsaplayer provides is ample as a player. it even has the ability to change the tempo and direction of the music/sound being played, the userinterface is uncluttered and intuitive (no need to dig through layers of menus to find what one wants), is rock solid reliable, is instaneous to load and always shutsdown when the user exits.....none of which can be said of amarok. it even has a spectrum analyser. like i say, its far superior as a player.

[krusbjorn]

Since when is this thread about Amarok? Please try to stay on topic guys :)

[macerata]

Point taken...

... but the topic is about an Amarok equivalent. My argument is to go for the original in Amarok, because Listen is an imitation which doesn't reach the same standards yet. Sherlock argues that you should abandon bloatware and go for a simple music player that does that job alone, but well - still a relevant argument because it's just as much targetted at Listen as Amarok, since they both try to cover many bases.

Maybe we should start a 'best music app for linux' thread, though this has probably already been done.

[ComplexNumber]

Point taken...

... but the topic is about an Amarok equivalent. My argument is to go for the original in Amarok, because Listen is an imitation which doesn't reach the same standards yet. Sherlock argues that you should abandon bloatware and go for a simple music player that does that job alone, but well - still a relevant argument because it's just as much targetted at Listen as Amarok, since they both try to cover many bases.

Maybe we should start a 'best music app for linux' thread, though this has probably already been done. you said "music player".

[macerata]

How can it be a music player on the one hand and not a music player on the other? Sherlock, you are confused, and Amarok is a music player and it is the best ;p

[ComplexNumber]

How can it be a music player on the one hand and not a music player on the other? Sherlock, you are confused, and Amarok is a music player and it is the best ;p
see post 187 and 189.

[macerata]

On Amarok (http://amarok.kde.org/):

From kde-apps.org: (http://www.kde-apps.org/content/show.php?content=9939)
'"Easily the best media-player for Linux at the moment. Install it now!" Linux Format Magazine'

In an article on NewsForge entitled 'AmaroK is a step up for Linux audio players (http://software.newsforge.com/article.pl?sid=05/03/04/1746210)':
'[It] has all of the basic features of modern Windows audio players, and some features that I haven't seen in any other player [...] the amaroK developers should be proud of their work'

So, it ain't just me saying it. Listen tries, but fails to challenge Amarok's superiority. Alsaplayer also has features above and beyond being a plain old music player, and I'm not convinced that it's that great an app anyway.

So, it is a music player, which just has added functionality. Sorry, but that's just the way it is.

Bottom line: if you're thinking of going for Listen, consider Amarok first.

[Zeroangel]

amaroK is a great player as far as functionality goes, but it does a poor job of splitting up the playlist and library (unless there is something that i've missed), and the tabbed interface seems clunky for some reason that I fail to understand.

You should also consider that Listen is in its infancy and currently is quite bugtastic, and so amaroK is years ahead of Listen in terms of development time put in. However, Listen has potential.

[macerata]

Agreed. Listen is in its infancy and should be given a chance. It's got a bit of catching up to do with Amarok, though. The latter isn't perfect, but it's pretty impressive.

___________________________
"Imagination and knowledge, eh. Both pretty important. Einstein wouldn't have got anywhere with one and not the other. Imagination without knowledge is like hot-ait balloon without bags to weigh it down - eventually it'll go so high that it'll just go POP. Knowledge without imagination? That balloon wouldn't even take off."
-- Me

[ComplexNumber]

Alsaplayer also has features above and beyond being a plain old music player, and I'm not convinced that it's that great an app anyway. i am. it has more than ample functionality required for a music player, many of which are missing from amorak. it is also does them more efficiently. its quite self contained and even has balance controls on the app with the ability to change the tempo. its even perfect for learning basslines by varying the tempo.

[macerata]

So I'll take it that you finally agree that Amarok is a music player. Wow, got there in the end, eh.

(Alsaplayer) has more than ample functionality required for a music player, many of which are missing from amorak. it is also does them more efficiently. its quite self contained and even has balance controls on the app with the ability to change the tempo. its even perfect for learning basslines by varying the tempo.
You say this on the one hand, but you also said:

best sticking to something that does its job and does it well, and doesn't try to do everything else
We clearly want different things from our music players (despite your contradictions, let's at least pretend). Amarok & Listen can't do everything every app does; neither can Alsaplayer. What you say about efficiency is arguable and you don't back it up. For me, the reviews - which you've made no direct mention of - spell it out clearly: Amarok is the best music player on Linux.

I thought you wanted a music player. Well, now you want to do other things. Sticking with your idea, then, surely you should go the whole hog and go for the right app for what you seem to be after: Audacity.

[ComplexNumber]

at no time does the functionality veer off from being a music/sound/audio player.

[macerata]

Why/not/keep/extending/it/to/suit/yourself? - You shift positions like a gearstick on speed.

It does veer off your definition of what an app should do. On your very own terms, an app should do what it does and no more. You're therefore desperate to justify functionality on your terms where it's clearly got no place in a music player on your terms. Audacity is the app for you if you want to mess around with tracks and also remain consistent with your view of computing. A music player is to play music and no more, so you claimed. So, use a music player for listening to music; use an audio-editor for playing with sounds.

What I've been saying consistently all along is that functionality is no bad thing. A music player needs to play music well, but can also do other things that are still relevant to the tracks you're playing, and Amarok does this well - better, in fact, than any other app I've come across on Linux. The web-based functionality, for example, fits in perfectly with my point of view. Here are 2 apps, in Listen and Amarok, where you can quickly look up info on your music with a few clicks.

This fits in perfectly with what I'm saying, but what you're saying about functionality doesn't fit with what you're saying about apps at all.

[ninjaPants]

*ahem* dead horse sufficiently beaten? Good. Subject change:

I love the interface and features, but I'm experiencing something that I think is a bug.

I've scanned my music into the library from the usb hdd where it lives, but many of the tracks have not been organized into artists or albums. I tried restarting the app and rescanning the library with no success. Viewing properties from Nautilus shows tagging info, but Listen seems to have misread or just plain missed parts of them. Anyone else experiencing this problem? Should I try rewriting the id3 tags?

Also, a pointer to how to post a bug properly would be appreciated... this will be my first one if I don't get an answer here

[macerata]

*ahem* dead horse sufficiently beaten? Good.
LOL

[foxy123]

*ahem* dead horse sufficiently beaten? Good. Subject change:

I love the interface and features, but I'm experiencing something that I think is a bug.

I've scanned my music into the library from the usb hdd where it lives, but many of the tracks have not been organized into artists or albums. I tried restarting the app and rescanning the library with no success. Viewing properties from Nautilus shows tagging info, but Listen seems to have misread or just plain missed parts of them. Anyone else experiencing this problem? Should I try rewriting the id3 tags?

Also, a pointer to how to post a bug properly would be appreciated... this will be my first one if I don't get an answer here

I've got a problem when after updating tag info the changes did not show up in Listen neither after refresh nor after rescan the library. What I had to do was to remove the album from the library and then rescan the library again.

Bug reports for Listen are here (http://sourceforge.net/tracker/?group_id=161415&atid=819743)

Just check if your bug has not yet been reported and if not submit new...

[MetalMusicAddict]

Has anyone seen this? I removed all the gstreamer0.8 items and made sure everything was gstreamer0.10. It was causing some weird video problems. Now I get this with Listen.

'esdsink' failed, falling back to osssink (no element "esdsink").
No audio sink found for Gstreamer
Any ideas?

It also got rid of Muine by upgrading gstreamer. My other favorite player. :(

[MetalMusicAddict]

Theres some new screens for the next release of Listen (http://listengnome.free.fr/) up. Looks like Podcast support.

[byen]

Ooh! That looks nice! Cant wait for the next release..looks neat!Hope they get more bugs ironed out!

[dabear]

Has anyone seen this? I removed all the gstreamer0.8 items and made sure everything was gstreamer0.10. It was causing some weird video problems. Now I get this with Listen.

'esdsink' failed, falling back to osssink (no element "esdsink").
No audio sink found for Gstreamer
Any ideas?

It also got rid of Muine by upgrading gstreamer. My other favorite player. :(

Listen depends on gstreamer 0.8 (it's hard-coded in the source, put probably changable). To quote my self from page 4:


Ok, fixed the esdsink error by installing the «gstreamer0.8-esd»-package

[MetalMusicAddict]

dabear. Can I have gstreamer 0.8 and gstreamer 0.10 installed without problems?

[cerebrix]

@ubuntu:~$ listen
'alsasink' failed, falling back to osssink (no element "alsasink").
No audio sink found for Gstreamer

any ideas?

[foxy123]

@ubuntu:~$ listen
'alsasink' failed, falling back to osssink (no element "alsasink").
No audio sink found for Gstreamer

any ideas?
i currently got the same thing though it worked before...

[pgmario]

@ubuntu:~$ listen
'alsasink' failed, falling back to osssink (no element "alsasink").
No audio sink found for Gstreamer
any ideas?
Uh, wouldn't this also be fixed by the solution dabear mentioned just two posts before yours?

[cerebrix]

Uh, wouldn't this also be fixed by the solution dabear mentioned just two posts before yours?


the whole part didnt post.......


n@ubuntu:~$ sudo apt-get install gstreamer0.8-esd
Password:
Reading package lists... Done
Building dependency tree... Done
The following NEW packages will be installed
gstreamer0.8-esd
0 upgraded, 1 newly installed, 0 to remove and 20 not upgraded.
Need to get 0B/42.8kB of archives.
After unpacking 111kB of additional disk space will be used.
Selecting previously deselected package gstreamer0.8-esd.
(Reading database ... 78557 files and directories currently installed.)
Unpacking gstreamer0.8-esd (from .../gstreamer0.8-esd_0.8.12-1ubuntu1_i386.deb) ...
Setting up gstreamer0.8-esd (0.8.12-1ubuntu1) ...

@ubuntu:~$ listen
'alsasink' failed, falling back to osssink (no element "alsasink").
No audio sink found for Gstreamer

[pgmario]

Ok, try to install gstreamer0.8-alsa instead.

[cerebrix]

@ubuntu:~$ sudo apt-get install gstreamer0.8-alsa
Password:
Reading package lists... Done
Building dependency tree... Done
The following NEW packages will be installed
gstreamer0.8-alsa
0 upgraded, 1 newly installed, 0 to remove and 20 not upgraded.
Need to get 0B/71.1kB of archives.
After unpacking 184kB of additional disk space will be used.
Selecting previously deselected package gstreamer0.8-alsa.
(Reading database ... 78563 files and directories currently installed.)
Unpacking gstreamer0.8-alsa (from .../gstreamer0.8-alsa_0.8.12-1ubuntu1_i386.deb) ...
Setting up gstreamer0.8-alsa (0.8.12-1ubuntu1) ...

@ubuntu:~$ listen
Traceback (most recent call last):
File "/usr/bin/listen", line 379, in ?
Listen()
File "/usr/bin/listen", line 133, in __init__
self.run()
File "/usr/bin/listen", line 236, in run
self.player = ListenUIPlayer(self.osd)
File "/usr/lib/listen/player.py", line 50, in __init__
self.gst_player = GstPlayer(self)
File "/usr/lib/listen/gstplayer.py", line 49, in __init__
self.bin = self.make_bin()
File "/usr/lib/listen/gstplayer.py", line 353, in make_bin
bin.set_property('video-sink', None)
AttributeError: 'NoneType' object has no attribute 'set_property'

doh ](*,) ](*,)

[Wolki]

It also got rid of Muine by upgrading gstreamer. My other favorite player. :(

Muine 0.8.4 (the one in the repos), only supports gstreamer 0.8.

Three options:
- wait till Muine 0.8.5 is released an packaged (unacceptable for me ^^;; )
- keep gst-0.8 installed beside gst-0.10
- get muine from cvs, it supports gst-0.10 and isn't that hard to install.

[pgmario]

@ubuntu:~$ listen
Traceback (most recent call last):
File "/usr/bin/listen", line 379, in ?
Listen()
File "/usr/bin/listen", line 133, in __init__
self.run()
File "/usr/bin/listen", line 236, in run
self.player = ListenUIPlayer(self.osd)
File "/usr/lib/listen/player.py", line 50, in __init__
self.gst_player = GstPlayer(self)
File "/usr/lib/listen/gstplayer.py", line 49, in __init__
self.bin = self.make_bin()
File "/usr/lib/listen/gstplayer.py", line 353, in make_bin
bin.set_property('video-sink', None)
AttributeError: 'NoneType' object has no attribute 'set_property'
doh ](*,) ](*,)See, it fixed the alsa problem :D Sorry, I don't have a clue what's wrong there. Maybe this new version of Listen they were talking about a couple of posts ago will fix it.

[Mustard]

Just checked it out today. It's working well for my small music collection. I had some lock ups at the start and it hangs when connecting to websites, but once it gets going it seems to do the job.

I was mucking around on a Kanotix CD with Amarok the other day, and was thinking about installing it on gnome. I'm glad I can avoid having to add all the KDE stuff to gnome now. :)

[foxy123]

See, it fixed the alsa problem :D Sorry, I don't have a clue what's wrong there. Maybe this new version of Listen they were talking about a couple of posts ago will fix it.
same here... maybe new version will fix it... using Quod Libet in the meantime

[nchase]

How you do resize the columns in the library?

[Jamesia]

new version is out!!

[MetalMusicAddict]

Looks like the Breezy repo is gone or not being updated. Look at the "Downloads" page. I wonder if the Dapper one would work?

I did just upgrade on my Dapper machine and WOW! Very nice. Im pissed 'cause I gotta go to work and cant play with it more. :( Looks like a ton of new options.

[engla]

Looks like the Breezy repo is gone or not being updated. Look at the "Downloads" page. I wonder if the Dapper one would work?

I did just upgrade on my Dapper machine and WOW! Very nice. Im pissed 'cause I gotta go to work and cant play with it more. :( Looks like a ton of new options.

No, it looks like he even killed the Breezy userbase, two months before dapper is even released:


[ulrik-ibook:~/pt/src/listen-0.4] ulrik$ make
Checking for Python... /usr/bin/python
Checking Python version: 2.4
Checking for PyGTK >= 2.6: found
Checking for pyGTK-devel >= 2.6 found
Checking for gnome.ui; found
Checking for egg.trayicon: found
Checking for ogg.vorbis: found
Checking for MAD: found
Checking for ctypes: not found
Listen recommends python ctypes for mp4 & m4a support.
Checking for DBUS: found
Checking for PySqlite2: found
Checking for PyGSt >= 0.10:
not found
Listen requires PyGst 0.10 (http://gstreamer.freedesktop.org)
make: *** [check] Fel 1

You can't even build the thing for Breezy (everything gstreamer is 0.8.* in breezy)
](*,) :evil:

[piedamaro]

Is it even better than quodlibet?
I'm asking because I love quodlibet!!

[Sheinar]

Most newer players seem to depend on gst 0.10 due to 0.8 being bugged. I can see the problem with losing their Breezy userbase, but considering how young the project is, I think they're more worried about making the player as good as they possibly can at the moment.

It's too bad there isn't an option to use the xine engine instead during configuration.

[foxy123]

Is it even better than quodlibet?
I'm asking because I love quodlibet!!
I guess it is a question of taste. Also Listen is pretty new while QL is more mature at the moment. I have not tried a new version of Listen yet and cannot use the old one because of some errors. So I am using QL as well.

Listen is closer to amarok rather then quod libet, though is based on the latter. It has its own bugs and shortcomings but overall I personally find it nicer than Quod Libet which is a good application anyway. However as I remember Quod Libet key developer thinks that Listen's interface is ugly. So try it, it does not hurt and form your own opinion.

[piedamaro]

Thanks for the info, I'll give it a try!

[Luggy]

I've been using the Breezy version for a few weeks now, it's pretty good but it's a little better and a little worse then Amarok.

Now that a know there is a Dapper version I just have to try and give it a shot.

[ShanghaiTeej]

I just installed listen from the deb repo on the site and I get this error when starting up:


Traceback (most recent call last):
File "/usr/bin/listen", line 140, in __init__
self.run()
File "/usr/bin/listen", line 265, in run
self.media_organizer = MediaOrganizer(self.player,hal)
File "/usr/lib/listen/media_organizer.py", line 52, in __init__
self.list_source.append(MLBrowserSource(self))
File "/usr/lib/listen/media_source.py", line 110, in __init__
widget = LocalLibraryBrowserView(media_organizer)
File "/usr/lib/listen/view_local_library.py", line 42, in __init__
self.set_song_treeview(TreeviewSong(media_organize r))
File "/usr/lib/listen/view_browser.py", line 155, in set_song_treeview
self.pane.set_position(int(config.get("window","pos_browser")))
File "/usr/lib/python2.4/ConfigParser.py", line 302, in get
raise NoOptionError(option, section)
NoOptionError: No option 'pos_browser' in section: 'window'

Anyone got a fix or can at least point me in some direction?
Thanks

PS: Using the dapper version

[ShanghaiTeej]

He fixed my problem in like 20 minutes...hahaha...disregard the previous post.

[Jeconais]

Well, damn. I wish I'd known about this before I installed all the KDE libs to install Amarok from source. And if that doesn't tell you that I am exactly the target for this programme, nothing will.

Don't get me wrong, its not perfect (at the moment), the lyric search seems a little screwy, it doesn't have the score option (something I used in Amarok), you can't choose the storage engine or use the xine backend (mindyou, as it worked out of the box, that wasn't needed), the lyric search only displays standard ascii characters (no Word chars), random just shuffles the playlist... but, it did import my 5000+ mp3s nice and fast, it plays the music I want, as I want it, and its under very active development. I'm sure the other things are coming, and I'm more than happy to wait. The stuff I'm missing isn't vital, they're fluff pieces that add to the experience.

What I am happy about is that, if this continues to develop, is that I will no longer need any KDE stuff in my gnome installation.

[gma]

Nothing beats Banshee :-)

[TeeAhr1]

Haven't installed it - didn't really get turned on by the screenshots. Love gmusicbrowser; the handling of massive amounts of files sold me, the mass tagging feature kept me.

[Peturrr]

Wow... The speed of importing definately is cool! My whole library in just a few seconds. With amarok it takes minutes. Don't really like the interface, but I am sure they will improve it. It's definately cool!

[foxy123]

yes, new version fixed the error, though I still do not use it because of this bug (http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=1448561&group_id=161415&atid=819743)

[Zeroangel]

Would you people stop with your vague, uninformative recommendations about different music players?

Make a new thread for that. Thanks.

[foxy123]

It's Community Discussion/Ubuntu Cafe thread. I guess people may say what they want. It is not in Howtos or Support section where posters are supposed to keep the discussion to the point of the particular programme, I guess.

[Zeroangel]

Is it even better than quodlibet?
I'm asking because I love quodlibet!! Yes...and...no. Well, it's all subjective, but Quod Libet has a much smoother workflow in regards to enqueuing. You open up a custom playlist, right click on a bunch of stuff you want to played next, and when that is done it will go right back to playing whatever was on the playlist.

That's very much like how amarok handles enqueuing, and that is the best type of system I think (aside from Winamp 5's queuing system which I am used to).

Listen is different because you have the 'current playlist' setup but you must add files manually. And it must be purged manually every time you play a new song but don't want to play the ones that were on it previously.

However, unlike Quod Libet, and like amaroK, there is a lot of useful features like being able to look up wikipedia information on the currently playing artist, similar artists, lyrics of the current song, all from within the program (doesn't launch web browser which is a big plus). Listen is very feature packed for a media player, and you may or may not like that.

[mcduck]

I just updated to the latest version, and since then Listen fails to play anything longer than 5 seconds before crashing :/ The last version at least played some of my music.

I'm back to MPD (and Quod Libet, if I find some way to get it use my digital output)

[Zeroangel]

I just updated to the latest version, and since then Listen fails to play anything longer than 5 seconds before crashing :/ The last version at least played some of my music.

I'm back to MPD (and Quod Libet, if I find some way to get it use my digital output) Yeah, i'm getting horrible crashes too, but they are different then yours. Does anyone know how I can get some useful output to forward to the developer?

[MetalMusicAddict]

Run listen from the terminal. Should output something.

[rudygrabmore]

could you explain to me how to install this program?

i downloaded the archive file from the website, the extracted it. what now?

[MetalMusicAddict]

What version of Ubuntu are you using?

[Zeroangel]

could you explain to me how to install this program?

i downloaded the archive file from the website, the extracted it. what now? It is designed to be used with Dapper Drake (the version of Ubuntu that's in development). It will not work properly on Breezy.

That said, if you don't know how to install from .tar.gz and compile a program (its easier then it sounds) then you are probably not testing out the new ubuntu version.

Listen, in its current form is not stable at all. You should wait till June 6th when Dapper is officially released, then you will have a stable improvement over your current install as well as a stable version of Listen (hopefully).

[chaumurky]

Here's what I get when trying to play something:


Error catched in a thread:
Traceback (most recent call last):
File "/usr/lib/listen/thread_queue.py", line 84, in process_queue
try: func(*data_func)
File "/usr/lib/listen/context_local.py", line 91, in refresh_cb
filename = song.get_album_cover(False)
File "/usr/lib/listen/song.py", line 404, in get_album_cover
pixbuf = gtk.gdk.pixbuf_new_from_file_at_size(path+"/"+f,75,75)
GError: Unrecognised image file format

file:// - - /media/music/ALBUMS/A%20Perfect%20Circle/Mer%20de%20noms/01%20-%20Hollow.mp3
Gstplayer error: Could not get/set settings from/on resource. gstalsasink.c(570): set_hwparams (): /playbin0/abin/gconfaudiosink0/bin1/alsasink0:
Rate doesn't match (requested 44100Hz, get 0Hz)
eos
Gstplayer error: Could not get/set settings from/on resource. gstalsasink.c(570): set_hwparams (): /playbin0/abin/gconfaudiosink0/bin2/alsasink1:
Rate doesn't match (requested 44100Hz, get 0Hz)
Gstplayer error: Could not get/set settings from/on resource. gstalsasink.c(788): gst_alsasink_prepare (): /playbin0/abin/gconfaudiosink0/bin2/alsasink1:
Setting of hwparams failed: Invalid argument
Gstplayer error: GStreamer encountered a general stream error. gstqueue.c(774): gst_queue_push_one (): /playbin0/preroll_audio_src0:
streaming stopped, reason not-negotiated

No crash, just won't play.

[MetalMusicAddict]

chaumurky. Your using the Listen repo right? Not just the .debs.

[MetalMusicAddict]

Listen, in its current form is not stable at all. You should wait till June 6th when Dapper is officially released, then you will have a stable improvement over your current install as well as a stable version of Listen (hopefully).
Listen has been solid so far. Just 1 bug and it was fixed that day. My main player as of now. gMusicbrowser is a close 2nd.

If anyone is running Breezy its gonna be a b!tch to compile because alot of dependentcies (spelling) have changed. Im sure hes moved to gstreamer0.10 now.

[dreamsINdigital]

Sweet player, thanks for the info! \\:D/

[chaumurky]

chaumurky. Your using the Listen repo right? Not just the .debs.

Ahh missed those. Didn't seem to make a difference though. I did a dist-upgrade with the repo and only libgpod0 was updated. Restarted listen and there was no change - same error.

[MetalMusicAddict]

Id try to install some of the gstreamer plug-ins. The 0.10 ones. The alsa and "ugly" ones. Maybe?