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Ms_Angel_D
September 5th, 2009, 12:55 AM
Hey guys, I know this is a Ubuntu forum, but I respect the opinions I get around here so I thought I would ask this question.

Being a Parent of 3 I have to start thinking of holiday gifts rather early in the year. My Son who is 15 really enjoys creating and editing his own movies on the computer.

I would like to get him some decent software as well as possible reading materials to encourage his interest. I'm open to all suggestions if there is something outside the scope of computers someone might feel would be of interst thats ok too. The software can be and probably should be windows software as he uses windows.

So If anyone has any recommendations I would love to hear them.

Thanks in advance,
Angel

cookieofdoom
September 5th, 2009, 01:17 AM
Sony Vegas Pro 9 is a bit expensive, but it's really good. After Effects and Premiere Pro are the next step up when it comes to... uh... advancedness (I know that's not a word).

Unfortunately, good video software really isn't available on a budget. If you're looking for advanced software for cheap the only thing I can recommend is Blender (which is free). It can do most of what the software above does, but it will be a lot more complicated to use.

Personally, I use After Effects and Premiere Pro and I absolutely love them. If you had to get just one, I'd go with After Effects... Premiere Pro is the software that kind of brings all the clips together into a movie. You can do that with just AE (though Premiere makes it easier).

Hopefully that helped a little.

Ms_Angel_D
September 5th, 2009, 01:31 AM
Thank you very much cookie that information is helpful.

HappinessNow
September 5th, 2009, 01:33 AM
Hey guys, I know this is a Ubuntu forum, but I respect the opinions I get around here so I thought I would ask this question.

Being a Parent of 3 I have to start thinking of holiday gifts rather early in the year. My Son who is 15 really enjoys creating and editing his own movies on the computer.

I would like to get him some decent software as well as possible reading materials to encourage his interest. I'm open to all suggestions if there is something outside the scope of computers someone might feel would be of interst thats ok too. The software can be and probably should be windows software as he uses windows.

So If anyone has any recommendations I would love to hear them.

Thanks in advance,
AngelFinal Cut Pro is really the best that I have used but it is only available for Mac OS X.

dragos240
September 5th, 2009, 01:40 AM
I seccond vegas. :)

Bölvağur
September 5th, 2009, 01:41 AM
Sony Vegas Pro 9 is a bit expensive, but it's really good.

This is the most popular software for some reason. It might be because it is quite cheap, but then again, you are paying for what you are getting, not that much.
Contrary to popular belief, Vegas video is not a professional video editor, nor is it amazingly good. But it still is way more than what normal people needs to edit their video, and hence are paying (way too much) for more than they actually use.


Usage wise I cannot complain. It is okish for making family videos and acceptable for short amateur films shot with family and friends.
So it is a safe but expensive bet. Even though it is not expensive compared to professional editors.

hanzomon4
September 5th, 2009, 03:30 AM
Well if he want's to use what the professionals use Final Cut Pro all the way. It cost but if you think he may want to seriously do video/film production one day it's they way to go. It's a great program on Macs not sure about the windows version.

As for books... The Filmmakers Handbook!!! It's been required for all of my moving image courses. Trust me that's the book!

Ms_Angel_D
September 5th, 2009, 03:34 AM
Thank you so much for all the feedback guys, this is really helpful. I'm hoping to make a good holiday for him this year, as he's done so well.

Warpnow
September 5th, 2009, 04:38 AM
Something you might could get him, if you live in a big city, is a student membership to a Public Access Television Station. They have $10,000+ editing suites you get to use, as well as $30,000 cameras you can use, and the student memberships are often very cheap, under $100.

As far as home software. Avid used to have a free student edition called FreeDV, but they discontinued it. You can still find copies for download, but other than that...

Avid and Premiere, which are both professional level editors, are a couple hundred bucks each. Avid is higher level, yet if you DO decide to buy a professional editor I'd go with Premiere. Its alot easier to use and more encompassing. Avid is more single task, whereas Premiere can do alot better at seeing you through the production process.

In high school I competed in several competitions and produced two seasons of a television series for public access television, and was nominated for several awards. Almost all of my editing was done on Adobe Premiere.

If you are looking to spend less, well, there's a huge gap. Sony vegas is good, but its definitely in consumer, not prosumer level. Amongst consumer you have Sony Vegas, Nero, Windows Movie Maker, ect. Sony vegas is definitely the top of this group, but the second tier, prosumer, including Final Cut, Premiere, and the Software version of Avid (I have a third tier for the hardware workstations), are obviously superior.

madjr
September 5th, 2009, 05:50 AM
try the free open alternatives first (we got ameteur and advanced)

you will be happy you read these.

top 5:
http://www.cyberciti.biz/faq/top5-linux-video-editing-system-software/

kdenlive (very good)
http://ubuntulinuxologisms.blogspot.com/2009/05/kdenlive-breakthrough-in-linux-video.html

new easy to use openshot
http://www.howtogeek.com/howto/3558/openshot-is-video-editing-software-for-ubuntu/


finally, Cinelarra: industrial-strength video tool for Linux (http://www.downloadsquad.com/2005/07/06/cinelarra-industrial-strength-video-tool-for-linux/)



http://www.howtogeek.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/08/OpenShot2.png



smile (http://www.getdeb.net/app/Smile) is also very nice simple video slideshows

http://kde-apps.org/CONTENT/content-pre3/83276-3.jpg




once he learns these, he will be able to use anything even the pricey ones (since some think those are the only ones that exists)

Exodist
September 5th, 2009, 06:21 AM
Hey guys, I know this is a Ubuntu forum, but I respect the opinions I get around here so I thought I would ask this question.

Being a Parent of 3 I have to start thinking of holiday gifts rather early in the year. My Son who is 15 really enjoys creating and editing his own movies on the computer.

I would like to get him some decent software as well as possible reading materials to encourage his interest. I'm open to all suggestions if there is something outside the scope of computers someone might feel would be of interst thats ok too. The software can be and probably should be windows software as he uses windows.

So If anyone has any recommendations I would love to hear them.

Thanks in advance,
Angel

Which version of Windows does he run?
I know the Windows Movie Maker that comes on Vista is freaking nice. Its easy to use, easy on the eyes and has a fair amount of editing tools. Plus it comes with the system. The one on WinXP tho is garbage..

Warpnow
September 5th, 2009, 09:33 AM
try the free open alternatives first (we got ameteur and advanced)

you will be happy you read these.

top 5:
http://www.cyberciti.biz/faq/top5-linux-video-editing-system-software/

kdenlive (very good)
http://ubuntulinuxologisms.blogspot.com/2009/05/kdenlive-breakthrough-in-linux-video.html

new easy to use openshot
http://www.howtogeek.com/howto/3558/openshot-is-video-editing-software-for-ubuntu/



finally, Cinelarra: industrial-strength video tool for Linux (http://www.downloadsquad.com/2005/07/06/cinelarra-industrial-strength-video-tool-for-linux/)



http://www.howtogeek.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/08/OpenShot2.png



smile (http://www.getdeb.net/app/Smile) is also very nice simple video slideshows

http://kde-apps.org/CONTENT/content-pre3/83276-3.jpg




once he learns these, he will be able to use anything even the pricey ones (since some think those are the only ones that exists)

By suggesting anyone use any of those editors for serious projects its like suggesting a graphic designer use MS paint.

SunnyRabbiera
September 5th, 2009, 09:46 AM
By suggesting anyone use any of those editors for serious projects its like suggesting a graphic designer use MS paint.

I dunno, kdenlive and pitivi seem interesting

YeOK
September 5th, 2009, 10:06 AM
Not an editor but http://www.cinepaint.org/. It is used by a few professional movie studio's.

DJonsson2008
September 5th, 2009, 11:08 AM
Since this seems to be a brainstorm I'll storm a bit,
with a daughter also here in the house and an interest
in video its something we talk about here.

It seems like for getting started Windows Movie would
be enough, especially considering ones initial venue
might simply be youtube and the home tv or computer
monitor. Even on XP Windows Movie maker has a good
workflow for these basic outputs.

On Linux my video editing experience has been a little
fiddly to say the least, and no one tool combines all
the needed steps in the workflow, so I find myself working
with and trying a fragmented set of tools.

Now I use Avidemux and WinFF, for simple edits and file manipulation. Cinerella does it all but getting it installed and working right can require some participation in their mailing list to get the settings right.

A local Cinerella club if such a thing existed would really boost things where people could meet and collaborate on getting it to work...but it does take some work. That new OpenShot looks good for Linux but havn't tried it yet.

After mastering something like WindowsMovieMaker
if your child's interest takes off then you might want to
look around and see what the local colleges, cable TV
stations or anyother type of community based around video
editing in your area are using. Somebody mentioned student
discounts for video editing software.

Here in my opinion is where open source breaks down -- music
and video production -- as its hard to see investing in
learning some video or editing system that does not speak
enough to what is standardized in the workplace. On the other
hand though for hackers, programmers and those who love the
open source concept tools are out there but the cost of time
of getting these things to work needs to be weighed against
the highly developed and supported commercial products.

Lastly can the child write a story? and where do they gain
the capacity; compose a good camera shot, to link cogent a story/storyboard together? These things will ultimately determine if they simply clutter youtube with more nonsense or eventually evolve something of value.

Ms_Angel_D
September 5th, 2009, 12:28 PM
Wow guys thanks so much for the feedback!


Which version of Windows does he run?
I know the Windows Movie Maker that comes on Vista is freaking nice. Its easy to use, easy on the eyes and has a fair amount of editing tools. Plus it comes with the system. The one on WinXP tho is garbage..

Currently he has windows xp but he will have vista once I get a video card for the other system as it came with vista. He has been using the movie makers for quite some time.

I like the idea of checking out local stations for student programs as well as local schools. These are definitely things I will check into.

This year my son is attending Insight School it's online public high school but their course selection is a lot bigger than most schools. Two of the classes he's looking into taking are Digital Video Editing & Production and Flash Animation. So I'm sure he may get access to some tools their but I am hoping to get him some things for personal use, so all this information you guys have given me is VERY helpful.