Mac OS X 10.6 was just released.

[schauerlich]

Is it just me, or does Safari seem snappier?

[dragos240]

It's just you. Sorry, that was begging to be posted.

[tubezninja]

Safari seems snappier!

Also: I gained 20GB of hard drive space in upgrading. Cleaner code = win.

[schauerlich]

It's just you. Sorry, that was begging to be posted.

"Safari seems snappier" is a long running injoke in the Mac community. Whenever there's a software update, someone seems claims that Safari is "snappier". Placebo effect and whatnot.

[dragos240]

"Safari seems snappier" is a long running injoke in the Mac community. Whenever there's a software update, someone seems claims that Safari is "snappier". Placebo effect and whatnot.

Gotcha.

[tubezninja]

http://scaredpoet.com/images/forums/safariseemssnappier.png

[schauerlich]

http://scaredpoet.com/images/forums/safariseemssnappier.png

Safari: NOW WITH 20% MOAR SNAP!

[HappinessNow]

It's raining today for the first time in like 3 months,...safari snappier, cool!

[Skripka]

Safari: NOW WITH 20% MOAR SNAP!

If only they could get the damn compass needle to point in the right direction, now...

[KiwiNZ]

grrrrrrrrr my copies of Snow Leopard are still in the Couriers Warehouse

Don't they know I am not good at waiting :(

[Giant Speck]

You know, I've been thinking more and more about installing OS X on my laptop, and now that I hear that Safari is EVEN SNAPPIER (!!!), I want to try it even more.

[koshatnik]

Buying it tomorrow. If it doesnt make my Macbook exactly 22% quicker IM COMING AFTER YOU JOBS WITH A RUSTY BREADKNIFE....


(I'll be happy with true 64bit performance from LightRoom).

[DeadSuperHero]

It almost makes me want a Mac, until I look at Macbook prices. Then I remember I'm a college student with no job, lock myself in my room, and cry.

[koshatnik]

It almost makes me want a Mac, until I look at Macbook prices. Then I remember I'm a college student with no job, lock myself in my room, and cry.

Just steal one from one of the many media idiots that you can find in most cafes in the world. Walk up to them, ask them about their stupid iphone, and whilst they are showing you an app that can predict when you're about to break wind, or someting else equally dumb and useless, swipe the macbook and walk out the door. They wont notice because they'll be still talking about their stupid phone.

[Skripka]

Just steal one from one of the many media idiots that you can find in most cafes in the world. Walk up to them, ask them about their stupid iphone, and whilst they are showing you an app that can predict when you're about to break wind, or someting else equally dumb and useless, swipe the macbook and walk out the door. They wont notice because they'll be still talking about their stupid phone.

It is funny because it is true...

[hanzomon4]

Just steal one from one of the many media idiots that you can find in most cafes in the world. Walk up to them, ask them about their stupid iphone, and whilst they are showing you an app that can predict when you're about to break wind, or someting else equally dumb and useless, swipe the macbook and walk out the door. They wont notice because they'll be still talking about their stupid phone.

Ahahaha!!!! :lolflag:

[jrusso2]

Steve Jobs is a genius !

[schauerlich]

I've had some issues with Time Machine, but I've got a new external hard drive. I'm going to buy Snow Leopard sometime in the next couple days, backup and do a clean install/time machine recovery.

[Tipped OuT]

I think Snow Leopard is going in the right direction. Take a break from adding new features, and take the time to improve on the features that already exist.

Maybe Ubuntu should start doing that. Just take a break from adding new features and such, and use all of the time to fix bugs, improve performance, and widen support.

[RATM_Owns]

I might have to get it. I need the snappiness.

[kernelhaxor]

Not interested in getting it .. Still on 10.5.8

[RiceMonster]

My friend just upgraded to leopard a month ago.

Already out of date haha. Apparently this updates a lot less expensive though?

[schauerlich]

My friend just upgraded to leopard a month ago.

Already out of date haha. Apparently this updates a lot less expensive though?

Leopard was released in October 2007. Seems he was late to the game.

This upgrade is $29 as opposed to the former $129.

[KiwiNZ]

I've had some issues with Time Machine, but I've got a new external hard drive. I'm going to buy Snow Leopard sometime in the next couple days, backup and do a clean install/time machine recovery.

What issues have had with Time machine? My experience with it is very good . Totally set and forget.

[schauerlich]

What issues have had with Time machine? My experience with it is very good . Totally set and forget.

It wasn't so much an issue with Time Machine. I was backing up to a 100GB partition on a disk, with the rest of the disk used for storage (not the same data, obviously, and all stuff I didn't care about too much). When I filled up the 100GB, I tried to shuffle the partitions around, and even though it appeared to have succeeded on Windows (the partitions I was manipulating were NTFS), neither OS X nor GParted recognized the new partitions. Since I can still read it from windows, I'm moving that data over to its own hard drive, and I'm growing the Time Machine partition to use the rest of the space.

[Katalog]

It almost makes me want a Mac, until I look at Macbook prices. Then I remember I'm a college student with no job, lock myself in my room, and cry.

Don't feel too bad, I don't think you're missing out on a whole lot (and no, that is not a flame - I was formerly a strictly Mac user and still have a MacBook in the house). OS X is awful purdy, but I've found there isn't an whole lot that I can't do on Ubuntu that I was doing on my Mac. Just be patient, college won't last forever and one of these days you'll eventually be able to afford that MacBook you're longing for. Speaking of college, doesn't Apple give students some pretty significant discounts?

[Skripka]

Don't feel too bad, I don't think you're missing out on a whole lot (and no, that is not a flame - I was formerly a strictly Mac user and still have a MacBook in the house). OS X is awful purdy, but I've found there isn't an whole lot that I can't do on Ubuntu that I was doing on my Mac. Just be patient, college won't last forever and one of these days you'll eventually be able to afford that MacBook you're longing for. Speaking of college, doesn't Apple give students some pretty significant discounts?

They do...but they aren't much in the grand scheme of things. A $2300 computer being sold for $1999 is still a $2000 computer.

In all honesty-the only thing that my Powerbook I computed on for 4 years had on that none of my subsequent computers did not have was a shiny anodized aluminum case. OSX is pretty, but completely uncustomizable, even in comparison to Windows much less Linux.

[hanzomon4]

Don't feel too bad, I don't think you're missing out on a whole lot (and no, that is not a flame - I was formerly a strictly Mac user and still have a MacBook in the house). OS X is awful purdy, but I've found there isn't an whole lot that I can't do on Ubuntu that I was doing on my Mac. Just be patient, college won't last forever and one of these days you'll eventually be able to afford that MacBook you're longing for. Speaking of college, doesn't Apple give students some pretty significant discounts?

My school has a special discount. It also comes with a lot of extras so it ends up costing a bit more but the price of the laptop is like $230 cheaper then the standard edu discount. This is the current package

• Apple MacBook Pro
• 2.66GHz Intel Core 2 Duo Processor
• 4GB RAM
• 320GB Hard Drive
• Double-layer SuperDrive (DVD±R DL/DVD±RW/CD-RW)
• 15-inch widescreen glossy LED-backlit display, backlit keyboard

• Airport Extreme card and Bluetooth
• SD card slot
• Built-in 7-hour battery
• NVIDIA GeForce 9400M + 9600M GT graphics controller with 256MB RAM

• 3-year AppleCare Protection Plan
• Verbatim 250GB portable FireWire hard drive
• FireWire adapter cable
• 5-foot CAT6 Ethernet cable
• Targus Spruce EcoSmart messenger laptop bag

comes to about $2300

[MikeTheC]

I'm showing a Sept. 1 delivery date when I check the status on my order, KiwiNZ, so don't feel too bad. You're not alone!

Is it just me, or does UbuntuForums now suddenly feel snappier?

[Giant Speck]

I'm showing a Sept. 1 delivery date when I check the status on my order, KiwiNZ, so don't feel too bad. You're not alone!

Is it just me, or does UbuntuForums now suddenly feel snappier?

Are you browsing it in Safari? If so, then yes.

[Frak]

Got mine from the local Apple Store. Safari seems snappier. This must be one hell of an update.

In other news, Time Machine is telling me my Drobo is corrupted.

[schauerlich]

Just installed it. Safari is super mega uber snappier. One bad thing, though: No iStat Menus for Snow Leopard just yet. How am I supposed to get my stat pr0n in my menu bar?

EDIT: is it just me, or does it seem like they turned up the default contrast? The colors seem brighter.

[koshatnik]

Won't be getting mine til Tuesday now. So, whats the general feeling, Safari apart? :) Is it worth the upgrade?

[%hMa@?b<C]

I'm not really (at all) a mac fan, but I'm trying to convince my brother to get it just so he can experience the snappier safari on his macbook. My new thinkpad will have none of this.

[bodyharvester]

Just installed it. Safari is super mega uber snappier. One bad thing, though: No iStat Menus for Snow Leopard just yet. How am I supposed to get my stat pr0n in my menu bar?

EDIT: is it just me, or does it seem like they turned up the default contrast? The colors seem brighter.

they made the contrast snappier to wow you

[Cenotaph]

Snow Leopard is not that much of an exciting release. I think once Windows 7 comes out to the public, Apple might suffer a bit.

[schauerlich]

Found another poo-poo: All of my plugins for irssi broke. :|

[NormanFLinux]

I have a PPC Mac Mini so I am out of luck.

[Frak]

I have a PPC Mac Mini so I am out of luck.
I have a PPC G4 and two PPC G5's. Those are out of luck. Good luck for my only Intel Mac (which runs like crap compared to my G5's).

[NormanFLinux]

That's why they stripped out the PPC support. But Leopard is going to be supported on PPCs for years. Snow Leopard offers improvements for Apple's Intel Macs. Nothing exciting here.

[Katalog]

Just installed it. Safari is super mega uber snappier.

Sounds like this may bode well for the impending transition of the Linux browsers that are transitioning to Webkit if Safari is really that much faster. I've noticed recent releases of Midori have been super quick at rendering pages as well.

[MikeTheC]

In all seriousness, I can hardly wait for Snow Leopard. My plan is to back up the various odd bits of data on my MBP that aren't already backed up, then nuke it with the recovery disc, and then do the SL upgrade on the (relatively) clean MBP.

I was really hoping it would have shipped Thursday for Friday delivery, as I have school and so getting to nuke my MBP will have to get scheduled in amongst everything else.

[MikeTheC]

Sounds like this may bode well for the impending transition of the Linux browsers that are transitioning to Webkit if Safari is really that much faster. I've noticed recent releases of Midori have been super quick at rendering pages as well.

Hmm...

Well, I doubt Mozilla will transition -- at least any time soon -- from Gecko to Webkit. I think that, for Gecko's long-term viability, it's going to need to be somewhat more streamlined and cleaned up. That being said, however, I believe competition of ideas and implementations in the web browser space is a very healthy thing. We'll just have to just wait and see where this goes, I guess.

Now, all of that being said, take a look at how fast Chrome, for instance, is in Windows and wrapped in a CrossoverOffice runtime for Mac OS X. There's no question it's the winner for web page rendering times. If Google can figure out how to include the capability for plug-ins, and if perhaps they can make Chrome Firefox-plugin compatible, then Firefox is going to have some very significant competition and will doubtless see some degree of userbase erosion. That's normal with any business, service, product or application. What it may mean for Firefox's longevity long-term, I don't think anyone really knows.

Again, competition is a good thing. The more real and serious competition we can have against Internet Explorer, the better for everyone.

[Frak]

MikeTheC is correct. I have no doubt that if it wasn't for the multitude of plugins available for Firefox, or the inability for Chrome to use said plugins, Firefox would turn into an orphaned project overnight. (Figuratively speaking)

[schauerlich]

Sounds like this may bode well for the impending transition of the Linux browsers that are transitioning to Webkit if Safari is really that much faster. I've noticed recent releases of Midori have been super quick at rendering pages as well.

"Safari is snappier" is an injoke in the Mac community. Every time there's an update there's someone who just swears that Safari is TOTALLY faster than it was before. Even if the update had nothing to do with Safari.

[Frak]

"Safari is snappier" is an injoke in the Mac community. Every time there's an update there's someone who just swears that Safari is TOTALLY faster than it was before. Even if the update had nothing to do with Safari.
Heh, I always like it when my iTunes library seems to play SO MUCH UBER BETTER than it did 5 minutes ago when I got the last update.

[raisen]

I'm new on Macs. Do you guys upgrade your systems or do a clean install?

[Frak]

I'm new on Macs. Do you guys upgrade your systems or do a clean install?
Clean

Mac seems to act like Ubuntu when I try to upgrade:

BREAK EVERYTHING IN SIGHT

so I just backup and clean install.

[Giant Speck]

"Safari is snappier" is an injoke in the Mac community. Every time there's an update there's someone who just swears that Safari is TOTALLY faster than it was before. Even if the update had nothing to do with Safari.

I upgraded my iPhone to 3.0.1 today. Mobile Safari seemed SO MUCH SNAPPIER!

[schauerlich]

Perl and irssi do not want to play nice. Getting along with Colloquy until I can reinstall irssi...

[Frak]

I upgraded my iPhone to 3.0.1 today. Mobile Safari seemed SO MUCH SNAPPIER!
Orly?

[Giant Speck]

Orly?

Yarly. And it turns out that I've been missing cool new versions of my bank's app and Facebook.

[Frak]

Yarly. And it turns out that I've been missing cool new versions of my bank's app and Facebook.
"Wait, no, deposit, Deposit, DEPOSIT, NOOOOO!"

^^Slippery finger :P

[Giant Speck]

"Wait, no, deposit, Deposit, DEPOSIT, NOOOOO!"

^^Slippery finger :P

I can deposit checks using the camera on my phone. ^_^

[Exodist]

I was wondering if I even should get the latest for my eMac. 1GHz PPC with only 512MB ram. Can put a 1GB in there.. IDK.. Only reason havent put Ubuntu on it is AdobeFlash. My wife would be pissed if she couldnt get into Farmville!

[hellmet]

Safari seems snappier!

Also: I gained 20GB of hard drive space in upgrading. Cleaner code = win.
I hope you are joking about the 20GB.

[schauerlich]

I hope you are joking about the 20GB.

I'll believe it. But it's not just cleaner code that's helping reclaim space: <10.6 used to install a bunch of printer/camera/device drivers by default at installation time, as well as Rosetta (An emulation layer for running PPC-only apps). In addition, each application was a "Universal binary", meaning it had a binary for both Intel and PPC inside the .app package. A lot of the free space comes from cutting out the drivers, Rosetta, and making the Universal binaries Intel-only.

[gjoellee]

Apple has more snap now! :P

[koshatnik]

Is anyone able to say if it is making things run faster, as Apple claim?

[schauerlich]

Is anyone able to say if it is making things run faster, as Apple claim?

I've noticed an improvement. Much Snappier™

[gjoellee]

Is anyone able to say if it is making things run faster, as Apple claim?

As apps are snappier, then yes things run faster...

[koshatnik]

As apps are snappier, then yes things run faster...

Yeah, but what does snappier mean? I was wondering if someone has actually tried doing something proper on their macbooks (asking alot I know), like audio/video encoding or batch processing photos? Is that quicker?

[schauerlich]

Yeah, but what does snappier mean? I was wondering if someone has actually tried doing something proper on their macbooks (asking alot I know), like audio/video encoding or batch processing photos? Is that quicker?

"Snappier" means "Responds to user input quicker". Being snappier and being faster at long laborious tasks like video encoding are different ballparks.

[koshatnik]

"Snappier" means "Responds to user input quicker".

Lost in translation.

I was making a point that snappier is an ambiguous term. :)


Being snappier and being faster at long laborious tasks like video encoding are different ballparks.

That's why I'm asking. Anyone?

[Katalog]

Hmm...

Well, I doubt Mozilla will transition -- at least any time soon -- from Gecko to Webkit. I think that, for Gecko's long-term viability, it's going to need to be somewhat more streamlined and cleaned up. That being said, however, I believe competition of ideas and implementations in the web browser space is a very healthy thing. We'll just have to just wait and see where this goes, I guess.

I was referring more to Epiphany than to the Mozilla browsers. I also seriously doubt Firefox or Seamonkey will ever transition, but you never know. But Epiphany has officially dropped Gecko and the next version you'll see in the repos when Karmic is released will be entirely Webkit, and with a few more features than the old Epiphany as well. The daily builds of the Webkit version look extremely promising, much quicker and they have (finally) gotten most, if not all, Epiphany extensions ported over now.

I apologize for interrupting your OS X discussion with Linux talk (again). Sorry.:redface:

[Perfect Storm]

Apple has more snap now! :P

http://www.imageviper.com/displayimage/143050/0/k_group-scp91.jpg

[szadek_]

I really like how apple upgrade things to be more 10% better , and sell it like it this the next revolution ...


Not much difference between a win user and a mac user ... at all .

Think different ... but the same .

Well ... snappier is snappier , yeahhh cool .

[koshatnik]

I really like how apple upgrade things to be more 10% better , and sell it like it this the next revolution ...


Not much difference between a win user and a mac user ... at all .

Think different ... but the same .

Well ... snappier is snappier , yeahhh cool .

THanks for that contribution - anyone actually got anything practical and informed to say on the upgrade?

[RabbitWho]

Safari seems snappier!

Also: I gained 20GB of hard drive space in upgrading. Cleaner code = win.


!? How big is the OS?

[perce]

Just steal one from one of the many media idiots that you can find in most cafes in the world.

In North America. In the rest of the world people don't bring their laptops in cafes, and especially not macs.

[Frak]

!? How big is the OS?
The extra PowerPC binaries were nearly doubling the amount of space each install took up.

Though, 20GB is a very large number. I saw only about 7-8.

[hanzomon4]

The extra PowerPC binaries were nearly doubling the amount of space each install took up.

Though, 20GB is a very large number. I saw only about 7-8.

I really need this... I want to grow my Kubuntu partition

[Tipped OuT]

http://www.imageviper.com/displayimage/143050/0/k_group-scp91.jpg

lol

[KiwiNZ]

Just installed Snow Leopard on my MacBook Pro. Safari now opens so fast it opens before I click on it :P

Seriously though , it installed with out issue and runs very smoothly. I like some of the small tweaks like the improvement to stacks and the preview re sizer.

A nice up grade

[koshatnik]

In North America. In the rest of the world people don't bring their laptops in cafes, and especially not macs.

You obviously not been to the UK then.

[koshatnik]

Just installed Snow Leopard on my MacBook Pro. Safari now opens so fast it opens before I click on it :P

Seriously though , it installed with out issue and runs very smoothly. I like some of the small tweaks like the improvement to stacks and the preview re sizer.

A nice up grade

Did you do a clean upstall or upgrade from Leopard?

If a clean install, do you need the other disks for the install (previous iterations of OSX)? (I would imagine so but I'm just asking to be clear).

Thanks

[schauerlich]

I did a clean install. It worked fine without needing the old disks.

[koshatnik]

I did a clean install. It worked fine without needing the old disks.

Cool, thankyou. Ok, next question - my OSX files are all backed up on timemachine. If I do a clean install how does that work with timemachine, as that backs up everything, old OS settings and all. Won't it just restore my previous old version of OSX lock, stock and barrel?

[szadek_]

THanks for that contribution - anyone actually got anything practical and informed to say on the upgrade?

Im sorry my friend if i didn't gave you the answer you need ... i just expressed my opinion on Apple marketing and it's users ...

=)

[juancarlospaco]

Why this Snappier™ Distro are so expensive?,
why these Snappier™ Computers are so expensive?
i font feel that is so Snappier™ than they said

[decoherence]

Doesn't run on my PowerPC XServe. Three years of upgradability for a server is pathetic.

I know, I know: Nobody cares about OS X Server.

[khelben1979]

I experience everything which relates to Mac OS X as quite uninteresting. Big and popular applications for Mac OS X is just insanely heavy on the hardware from what I've seen and this was on modern hardware earlier this year.

Why bother with MacOS X when you have Linux?

[cprofitt]

Safari seems snappier!

Also: I gained 20GB of hard drive space in upgrading. Cleaner code = win.

Its not so much 'cleaner code' as it is removal of printer drivers and support for non-Intel processors.

[KiwiNZ]

Did you do a clean upstall or upgrade from Leopard?

If a clean install, do you need the other disks for the install (previous iterations of OSX)? (I would imagine so but I'm just asking to be clear).

Thanks
Clean install and no , the old Leopard disc's are safely tucked away in the safe

[koshatnik]

Why bother with MacOS X when you have Linux?

This must be the single dumbest question asked on this forum. Ok, maybe not, but its up there. And it always gets asked whenever an Apple thread pops up.

Answer: Applications.



ts not so much 'cleaner code' as it is removal of printer drivers and support for non-Intel processors.

Ain't that the truth. Uninstalling all the printer drivers alone from Leopard freed up 3 gigs of HDD space.

[KiwiNZ]

Why bother with MacOS X when you have Linux?

Its called choice;)

[schauerlich]

Cool, thankyou. Ok, next question - my OSX files are all backed up on timemachine. If I do a clean install how does that work with timemachine, as that backs up everything, old OS settings and all. Won't it just restore my previous old version of OSX lock, stock and barrel?

Once you install Snow Leopard and boot it up for the first time, it will ask if you have another Mac to transfer data from it. One of the options will be something like "Transfer data from Time Machine backup". Migration Assistant is smart enough to move back the stuff you want without overwriting the new stuff in Snow Leopard. I've had a few issues with stuff that I've compiled manually (like irssi - using colloquy for the time being), but otherwise everything has worked as expected.

[koshatnik]

Once you install Snow Leopard and boot it up for the first time, it will ask if you have another Mac to transfer data from it. One of the options will be something like "Transfer data from Time Machine backup". Migration Assistant is smart enough to move back the stuff you want without overwriting the new stuff in Snow Leopard. I've had a few issues with stuff that I've compiled manually (like irssi - using colloquy for the time being), but otherwise everything has worked as expected.

Thanks man, thats good to know - so installed applications and data will be transfered?

[schauerlich]

Thanks man, thats good to know - so installed applications and data will be transfered?

Yes.

[Frak]

Doesn't run on my PowerPC XServe. Three years of upgradability for a server is pathetic.

I know, I know: Nobody cares about OS X Server.
I have 5 XServe's on a rack that I bought in 2005 that won't work with Snow Leopard.

I installed NetBSD on them instead.

[malcam]

Its not so much 'cleaner code' as it is removal of printer drivers and support for non-Intel processors.
I imagine the switch to SI GBs will "free" up some space too.