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kuldeepsidhu
August 12th, 2009, 05:09 AM
Which is best CMS.? develop on php..i like wordpress..but it is for blogging..but i want to make a full website..dont say joomla..i have tried this but it is very difficult..tell me some easy and GUI based...that is easy to learn and edit..cake php is for blogging or website???

fluffman86
August 12th, 2009, 05:16 AM
I've tried Drupal before and it's OK.

dtrot55
August 12th, 2009, 05:17 AM
could look into Cushy CMS, i think thats what it is called...or Django..but that can be tough

kuldeepsidhu
August 12th, 2009, 05:18 AM
can we deveop website in drupal??or is it only for blogging??can u tell me some tutorials site for drupal?

gardara
August 12th, 2009, 06:49 AM
I used xoops quite a lot few years back... Take a look at http://www.xoops.org/

roharme
August 12th, 2009, 06:55 AM
no one for Joomla!!

Simple and best.

gardara
August 12th, 2009, 06:58 AM
no one for Joomla!!

Simple and best.

well...


dont say joomla..

roharme
August 16th, 2009, 05:47 PM
Sorry i dnt notice!!

:p:P

but why not joomla.!! Its is very easy and loaded with good number of plugins.

But only this, i still cannot find Tamil Plugin for it.

4Orbs
August 16th, 2009, 06:01 PM
WordPress is just as capable of powering a website as any. Just use Pages instead of Posts. Then select the right plugins and a nice theme.

A good place to check out all the different CMS's is HERE (http://www.opensourcecms.com/). I happened to prefer phpWebsite over Joomla as a CMS. Drupal and Typo are also cool.

Joeb454
August 16th, 2009, 06:03 PM
Drupal is pretty nice, and it has a lot of configurable options should you want them. I haven't really used many other CMS's

schneider707
August 17th, 2009, 05:50 AM
Which is best CMS.? develop on php..i like wordpress..but it is for blogging..but i want to make a full website..dont say joomla..i have tried this but it is very difficult..tell me some easy and GUI based...that is easy to learn and edit..cake php is for blogging or website???

Ok I think you have a few too many things confused. CakePHP is a framework, not a CMS. If you are really looking for a framework and not a CMS, I'd say to take a look at CodeIgniter (http://www.codeigniter.com).

You can most definitely make a "full" website with wordpress. In fact, I'd highly recommend it as its a great tool for beginners. However, any CMS should come with basic blogging tools. Other choices would be Drupal but that would be a pretty big jump in difficulty.

Artemis3
August 17th, 2009, 08:27 AM
Just try them all ^^
http://www.opensourcecms.com/

Viva
August 17th, 2009, 09:06 AM
Joomla is the best out there. Any CMS takes some learning

AlexC_
August 17th, 2009, 12:10 PM
Could always give TangoCMS, http://tangocms.org a try =) Should suit smaller sites quite well. :)

cartman640
August 17th, 2009, 02:42 PM
There's no single "best" CMS, it is very much dependent on what you are wanting to achieve. My advice would be to plan out what you want your site to do, so you can extract a list of requirements before selecting a CMS. You may find there's only a couple of things a standard installation of WordPress can't do, in which case you could look for a suitable plugin.

If you're not really sure of the exact details, there are a few good CMS's out there that do most general website things:

WordPress (http://wordpress.com) - As has been previously suggested, this isn't as basic as it first looks, and it has a wonderful administration system. Heaps of plugins available, heaps of themes and a huge community.

Drupal (http://drupal.org/) - Also suggested, this is a more "generic" CMS than the likes of WordPress, it gives an easy way to create pages or articles, manage users and add/remove plugins. Certainly much simpler than Joomla.

modx (http://modxcms.com/) - I haven't used this one too much, but it looks promising if you are after a bit more developer control.

ExpressionEngine (http://expressionengine.com/) - This is part framework, part CMS. Possibly overkill, but the sky is certainly the limit.

Hope that helps you in your quest for a CMS :)

darksideforge
August 22nd, 2009, 04:49 PM
Let me ask several silly questions, if I may (and this seems an appropriate thread as I'm loathe to start something completely new):

1) Is it possible to install Drupal_6 on my laptop in order to "develop" a website or two, and then transfer that/those websites to my server, or would that entail having the LAMP stack installed on my laptop?

2) Do Drupal and Joomla use the LAMP stack in a similar way as Eclipse and NetBeans use JRE/JDK? In other words, are having PHP and MySQL installed a prerequisite to develop using the Drupal framework?

3) I am really not sure that I need a full Content Management System; I need to create 2 websites (which I currently am not planning on hosting myself). Each of the two websites will be completely different: 1 of them will be used for Real Estate (property/home sales) and one of them will be used for private business (with no online sales, no shopping cart, nothing but contact information). There WILL be the need for multiple images per site...does that mean that I DO, in fact, need a Content Management System? Or, since I'm not planning on doing my own hosting on my DNS/NFS/CUPS/SAMBA server, should I simply let my hosting service worry about storing those images (I'm currently contracted with GoDaddy.com)?

Any and all suggestions would be appreciated, including comments from those of you who think I should break down and go ahead and install a CMS and host my own websites since I have 4 Dell PowerEdge1850's with a current 8Tb of storage...1 MSwin2k3, 1 RHEL, 1 Ubuntu 8.10_upgraded, 1 Ubuntu 9.04.

Again, thank you for letting me hi-jack this thread for a little while.

ugm6hr
August 23rd, 2009, 03:33 PM
I would reiterate checking out http://www.opensourcecms.com/

My suggestion:
Try out a few of the demos, and see what feels intuitive for you. If you want, try them in an Ubuntu VM - Virtualbox is very easy to get networked too for trying stuff out.

If you want a simple site, pluck achieves this with minimal fuss and no database, so it works on any webhost with PHP (which is basically all of them). For a simple business site, without too many pages, it makes sense. Check it out at http://www.pluck-cms.org/?file=kop1.php (or on http://www.opensourcecms.com/ ). I found a site with lots of themes on google.

Although, for anything more complex, I can recommend wordpress, which seems to achieve anything you want with a plugin or two...

hessiess
August 23rd, 2009, 04:10 PM
I have my own minimal PHP framework, and I build a CMS on top of it for every individual website, reusing old code where it makes seance. The CMS's and frameworks available are too generic so contain a lot of unesoserry bloat.



1) Is it possible to install Drupal_6 on my laptop in order to "develop" a website or two, and then transfer that/those websites to my server, or would that entail having the LAMP stack installed on my laptop?


Yes, you would need to install a lamp stack. Though if you use a protocall which supports delta uploading, i.e. rsync you can work on files on a remote server `as if' they were local, as transmitting deltas vastly reduces the network traffic.

darksideforge
August 23rd, 2009, 04:13 PM
Thanks, ugm... I'll give it a look-see!

rajeev1204
August 23rd, 2009, 05:36 PM
www.plone.org

bigbrovar
August 23rd, 2009, 06:37 PM
www.plone.org
Bless you heart i was just about to say plone, wonder why people dont really know about it

darksideforge
August 23rd, 2009, 07:31 PM
So, again: a CMS is required in order to design/build a website...is that correct?

At this point I'm not planning on hosting my own. If I host my own, I need a CMS of some variety. If I don't host my own, do I still need CMS?

I went ahead and installed Drupal 6 out of the repos, so now I've got PHP/MySQL/Apache2...so I suppose it doesn't matter anymore.

I still haven't figured out how to *install* a Theme into my Drupal6 account yet, but I suppose I'll get there.

Thanks again everyone for the great input.

ugm6hr
August 23rd, 2009, 07:42 PM
So, again: a CMS is required in order to design/build a website...is that correct?

No.

If you know html annd /or php, you can design your own website from scratch.

CMS are designed to allow non-programmer people to manage a website's contents, once it has been set up. Hence the name CMS.

Editing a pure html website with updated details (e.g. for a real-estate business which likes to include its offerings on the site) is just too much effort for most people. That's where a CMS comes in.

PS: Unless you have loads of bandwidth, or do not expect any visitors to your websites, I'd suggest getting a paid host. Nothing worse than having a website that doesn't work if you are running a business.

darksideforge
August 23rd, 2009, 09:36 PM
What if I have an "old" website to use as a template and simply want to move it to a new hosting company with a few relatively-minor changes (like, updated pictures of houses for sale, etc)? There's nothing really wrong with me downloading a website's info into Seamonkey Composer, making the WYSIWYG (ie: GUI) changes, and then sending the updated .html/.php file back to a new hosting service.....right?

Am I asking too many elementary questions here? I hope not. Once I got apache2 installed to go with the PHP/MySQL that downloaded with my Drupal6 (via Synaptic), it was easy to navigate to /var/www and see the "index.html" file that was there. Then I ran the test script:


This is it for PHP :D Wanna test it ? Just create an ordinary PHP page in /var/www/ and run it.
Example:
sudo gedit /var/www/test.php

and write in it: < ?php echo “Hello World”; ?>

Now run it by typing http://localhost/test.php in firefox… You should see your ” Hello World ”

Which came from here: http://joeabiraad.com/linuxunix/installing-lamp-on-ubuntu-710-linuxapachemysqlphp/100

All of a sudden, things started making sense.

Now, I realize that Seamonkey Composer is designed for html...is there anything similar for PHP or is that where Drupal/Joomla/etc comes in? In other words, do you ever do any "raw" PHP stuff that isn't in Drupal/Joomla from a WYSIWYG editor like Composer? Or are there links in Composer that I just haven't explored yet?

Thanks again!!!

magnus0
August 23rd, 2009, 09:39 PM
I use Wordpress for my site. It's not just for blogging, it can be used for websites too. It's very flexible and customizable. There are a lot of plugins too.

ugm6hr
August 23rd, 2009, 09:44 PM
Now, I realize that Seamonkey Composer is designed for html...is there anything similar for PHP or is that where Drupal/Joomla/etc comes in? In other words, do you ever do any "raw" PHP stuff that isn't in Drupal/Joomla from a WYSIWYG editor like Composer? Or are there links in Composer that I just haven't explored yet?

Not sure what SeaMonkey Compozer is like - haven't used it.

However, Gedit (the default Ubuntu Text Editor) does a fair job of both html and php, or Bluefish (in the repo as bluefish) is perhaps a little more fully featured. They are not WYSIWYG in the true sense though. I am astounded that SeaMonkey has a WYSIWYG html editor.

And yes, "raw" PHP programming is both possible and common (not yet by me though). That test script you have quoted is a good example of "raw" PHP. Check this for a tutorial: http://www.w3schools.com/php

I am still not sure you fully appreciate what a CMS does though. It offers a true WYSIWYG environment with point and click to develop a website once the framework is put in place.

miggols99
August 23rd, 2009, 10:20 PM
Try Drupal, it can be very for any type of website ranging from a simple blog to an ecommerce website categorised with a custom theme...

thisllub
August 23rd, 2009, 10:24 PM
I am still not sure you fully appreciate what a CMS does though. It offers a true WYSIWYG environment with point and click to develop a website once the framework is put in place.

My top 3 reasons for using a CMS.

#1 Consistent styling alterable by installable templates.
#2 Extension by freely available plugins for just about any function you can think of.
#3 Minimal time taken to add or alter content.


I have created complex websites with vim and html but those days are long gone.

darksideforge
August 24th, 2009, 06:35 AM
Not sure what SeaMonkey Compozer is like - haven't used it.

However, Gedit (the default Ubuntu Text Editor) does a fair job of both html and php, or Bluefish (in the repo as bluefish) is perhaps a little more fully featured. They are not WYSIWYG in the true sense though. I am astounded that SeaMonkey has a WYSIWYG html editor.

And yes, "raw" PHP programming is both possible and common (not yet by me though). That test script you have quoted is a good example of "raw" PHP. Check this for a tutorial: http://www.w3schools.com/php

I am still not sure you fully appreciate what a CMS does though. It offers a true WYSIWYG environment with point and click to develop a website once the framework is put in place.

Ok, you're EXACTLY right...I've been thinking CONTENT Management System was about the Content on your (my) computer, not the content of a website!!

As Bart Simpson would say: !DOH!

So, in essence, CMS is simply an IDE for Websites/pages just as Eclipse is n IDE for Java (well, except that a CMS like Drupal6 gives you more of a WYSIWYG experience than Eclipse. Hmm...GOD this is GREAT info you're giving!!!

darksideforge
August 24th, 2009, 06:39 AM
I use Wordpress for my site. It's not just for blogging, it can be used for websites too. It's very flexible and customizable. There are a lot of plugins too.

I looked at WordPress some this afternoon...definitely need to do more research into it. Is it possible to have a "homepage" and then menu items for "Home" , "Pictures", "Contact Me" across the top/side using WordPress?

Maheriano
August 24th, 2009, 06:45 AM
As Bart Simpson would say: !DOH!
That's Homer.

I think you should seriously pay someone to do your site for you. If you can't figure out Wordpress and Joomla is too hard, it doesn't sound like web design is for you.

darksideforge
August 24th, 2009, 06:59 AM
That's Homer.

I think you should seriously pay someone to do your site for you. If you can't figure out Wordpress and Joomla is too hard, it doesn't sound like web design is for you.

Never tried wordpress or joomla. Thanks but no thanks.

ugm6hr
August 24th, 2009, 07:10 AM
I looked at WordPress some this afternoon...definitely need to do more research into it. Is it possible to have a "homepage" and then menu items for "Home" , "Pictures", "Contact Me" across the top/side using WordPress?

Yes. Absolutely. For an example of a professional wordpress site: http://www.barnsleyhospital.nhs.uk/

And there is a plugin that allows drop-down menus, I think (although I haven't used it).

If Pluck is too simple (i.e. you need more than about 5 or 6 pages), I would recommend Wordpress for features vs simplicity balance. However, if you just require Home, Pictures, Contact Me, then Pluck will suffice.

To see Pluck in action: http://www.ecgtutor.co.uk - this is one of my future projects, and doesn't have images yet, but gives you the idea.

darksideforge
August 24th, 2009, 02:11 PM
I'm not ruling out Pluck yet either. You sent those links yesterday and I saved them and looked at them briefly.

Once I got Drupal 6 installed it hasn't been so bad moving around...I'm still trying to figure out how to get the downloaded .zip from my Desktop over into /var/www. I mean, I can open the .zip with Archive Manager and see the individual .html files, but so far I haven't gotten an actual "theme" or "template" installed.

I just found a link a few moments ago that I think is going to do the trick for me in terms of getting it installed AND showing me how to modify the template.

I also want to look at WordPress for a number of reasons though...one of which is because it's supposed to be such a great blog. And, now that you've told me I can arrange for drop-down menus... =)

t0p
August 24th, 2009, 02:37 PM
Excuse me while I jump in on this thread...

Has anyone here have any experience of webs (http://www.webs.com/) (formerly known as freewebs)? They do free hosting, plus they have a website building thing that does blogs, picture galleries, forums... They say their free service can be used to create personal, group or small business websites, which I think is quite unusual - similar setups I've seen before have only offered free hosting for non-commercial sites.

Anyway, it all looks quite nice, but I haven't actually done anything yet - partially because I haven't got a complete idea yet of what I want to do, but also because I don't want to make a site only to find that the hosting or whatever is awful. So some feedback about their operation would be welcome.

FYI, I'm not a complete newbie when it comes to site construction. I built a few sites for mobile phone browsers back in the times of wml. But it has been a while...

darksideforge
August 24th, 2009, 03:52 PM
Excuse me while I jump in on this thread...

Has anyone here have any experience of webs (http://www.webs.com/) (formerly known as freewebs)? They do free hosting, plus they have a website building thing that does blogs, picture galleries, forums... They say their free service can be used to create personal, group or small business websites, which I think is quite unusual - similar setups I've seen before have only offered free hosting for non-commercial sites.

Anyway, it all looks quite nice, but I haven't actually done anything yet - partially because I haven't got a complete idea yet of what I want to do, but also because I don't want to make a site only to find that the hosting or whatever is awful. So some feedback about their operation would be welcome.

FYI, I'm not a complete newbie when it comes to site construction. I built a few sites for mobile phone browsers back in the times of wml. But it has been a while...

That freewebs site looks interesting. It won't work for me because I can't have a @___________.webs.com address. But other than that it looks remarkably like a Drupal6 CMS template on their site. I'll be interested to hear what the pros say about it.

Maheriano
August 25th, 2009, 05:14 AM
If you want to see only a small potential of Wordpress, take a look at my site, www.danmaher.com. And that's only scratching the surface.

ugm6hr
August 25th, 2009, 05:37 AM
That freewebs site looks interesting. It won't work for me because I can't have a @___________.webs.com address. But other than that it looks remarkably like a Drupal6 CMS template on their site. I'll be interested to hear what the pros say about it.

They offer a $100/yr Premium upgrade for custom domain names.

My concern with these kinds of sites is that once you build your site, you are essentially tied into them forever. They generally do not permit FTP access, so you cannot transfer your site to any other host.

However, they do offer a kind of community, which can help to generate site visitors. I have personally set up a couple of wordpress.com sites (which offers similar features based on WP without the e-commerce option); useful for personal or low cost sites, but I would recommend a proper host (with FTP access) for commercial sites.

Remember $100 (or less) per year will get you a much better bandwidth package with SSL support (for e-commerce) from most shared hosts: http://fivebean.com/hosting/ (run by ubuntu-geek (http://ubuntuforums.org/member.php?u=1) here). I have a Mini hosting account with them, and the Fantastico 1-click install options include Drupal, Wordpress and Joomla:



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