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waloshin
July 27th, 2009, 10:52 PM
Would this be a good car / hiking+ camping knife?

Eickhorn-Solingen PRT-XII Pro Rescue Knife

http://www.mec.ca/Products/product_detail.jsp?FOLDER%3C%3Efolder_id=253437430 2696855&PRODUCT%3C%3Eprd_id=845524442622540

And is it legal in Canada?

heroidi
July 27th, 2009, 10:57 PM
I have one like this i think it's legal since i have it :P

nmaster
July 27th, 2009, 11:00 PM
no idea about the legality in canada. i'm an eagle scout. i prefer having a knife that i can keep in a sheath on my belt. a sheath knife offers more strength and versatility - i'm pretty sure that in a survival situation i can chop down a reasonably sized tree with my knives. the down side is that they're somewhat expensive: my best blade has a carbon-steel core laminated in stainless steel (imported from Norway) and cost a couple hundred bucks. i had the handle and sheath hand made here in the states. off the top of my head i don't remember the brand of that blade.

now that i'm done bragging (lol) what exactly do you intend to use the knife for? is there a chance that you would be doing any hunting or trapping?

lukjad007
July 27th, 2009, 11:09 PM
For Canadian laws I found this, though I'm not sure how much you should trust this site: http://www.cutleryscience.com/reviews/canada.html

Rule of thrumb, no switchblades, or blades longer than the palm of your hand.

Also, the more blades you have, the harder it is to handle, so I would buy something like this (http://www.southerntackle.com/proddetail.asp?prod=KS1665C), unless you have some special other need, or you just like lots of gadgets and gizmos.

HappinessNow
July 27th, 2009, 11:29 PM
Would this be a good car / hiking+ camping knife?

Eickhorn-Solingen PRT-XII Pro Rescue Knife

http://www.mec.ca/Products/product_detail.jsp?FOLDER%3C%3Efolder_id=253437430 2696855&PRODUCT%3C%3Eprd_id=845524442622540

And is it legal in Canada?I suggest a Leatherman (http://www.leatherman.com/knives/default.aspx) instead.

dlmarti
July 28th, 2009, 12:01 AM
This would be my suggestion:
http://www.buckknives.com/index.cfm?event=product.detail&productID=3660
But I doubt you'll think its sexy enough.
I've had a buck lite knife in my pocket everyday for over 8 years.

Its extremely light, doesn't need maintenance, and has a strong positive lock.
If you really want to get your monies worth, it needs to be a knife that you can have with you always and still forget about it.

Whiffle
July 28th, 2009, 12:19 AM
I suggest a Leatherman (http://www.leatherman.com/knives/default.aspx) instead.

Seconded. I've had my Leatherman for a solid 10 years now, broke it once (actually, my boss broke it), and they sent me a new one. And it isn't often that I use the blade, the pliars really come in handy the most.

hansdown
July 28th, 2009, 12:32 AM
Canadian Tire has more choices, and better prices.

http://www.canadiantire.ca/AST/browse/5/SportsRec/1/Hunting/KnivesSharpeners.jsp?cid=KW_HTHT_HTHT-Playing_Hunting-HuntingUtilityKnives_ad1lp1_En&source=google&medium=cpc&campaign=htht_playing&adgroup=hunting_-_hunting_utility_knives&gclid=CK7Mup-F95sCFRMUagodr3kq-g

Army and navy should also.

I couldn't stop laughing at the Gerber folding knife and money clip.:)

Old_Grey_Wolf
July 28th, 2009, 12:36 AM
Would this be a good car / hiking+ camping knife?

Eickhorn-Solingen PRT-XII Pro Rescue Knife

http://www.mec.ca/Products/product_detail.jsp?FOLDER%3C%3Efolder_id=253437430 2696855&PRODUCT%3C%3Eprd_id=845524442622540

And is it legal in Canada?

I don't know about Canada's laws. For general use, fishing, hunting, and camping, I have found that a 4 inch blade is about the longest that is actually useful.

In what ways do you think you will be using a knife? Depending on what you will actually use it for influences what would work best for you.

How often will you use it? That influences the type of construction you will need. I have knives that are made with solid steel and brass handles that would easily brake a car window. None of that hollow plastic and folded tin for me.

Are you proficient at sharpening knives, and how often are you willing to sharpen it? Stainless steel blades are sharp when you buy them; however, some of them are very difficult to re-sharpen. I prefer carbon steel blades; because, I have 10 years old knives that I sharpen regularly, and you could shave with them.

If you can describe your intended use, then the answers you get may be more beneficial.

Old_Grey_Wolf
July 28th, 2009, 02:33 AM
Would this be a good car / hiking+ camping knife?

Eickhorn-Solingen PRT-XII Pro Rescue Knife

http://www.mec.ca/Products/product_detail.jsp?FOLDER%3C%3Efolder_id=253437430 2696855&PRODUCT%3C%3Eprd_id=845524442622540

And is it legal in Canada?

I have already posted to the OP; however, I have further opinions about the knife the OP is asking about. Here are my opinions:

* 440 stainless steel blade is laser-cut and ice hardened.
440 stainless steel is brittle. It can break easily.

* Handles are aluminium with anti-slip rubber inlays.
The rubber inlays can rot or peal off the handle.

* Liner-lock with safety-stop.
Most knives these days have a locking mechanism.

* Seat belt cutter.
If if needs a separate cutter for seat belts, that suggests to me that the main blade will not stay sharp enough to cut a seat belt.

* Blunt screwdriver tip blade.
440 stainless steel is brittle. It can break easily. Therefore the screwdriver tip is probably useless for any serious work.

* Glass breaker / window puncher.
The knife is made out of aluminium. It needs some extra material added to break a car window. I have never needed to break glass or car window, so I don't know how well it would work.

* Half serrated blade.
Try re-sharpening a serrated blade. I have made tools to do so; however, try finding one that is commercially available, and actually works.

* Lanyard eyelet.
Nice toy. I prefer a Sheath.

* Easy to close release button.
A lot (most) of knives have that.

* Extra large thumb stud for easy one-handed opening, right or left handed.
What is that? A set of groves on the knife to keep your thumb from slipping?

* Belt clip.
I prefer a sheath for my knife rather that something moulded into the side of the knife that gets in the way when I use it.

Just my opinion. :)

MikeTheC
July 28th, 2009, 02:44 AM
Which kernel version does it ship with?

HappinessNow
July 28th, 2009, 09:49 AM
I have already posted to the OP; however, I have further opinions about the knife the OP is asking about. Here are my opinions:

* 440 stainless steel blade is laser-cut and ice hardened.
440 stainless steel is brittle. It can break easily.

* Handles are aluminium with anti-slip rubber inlays.
The rubber inlays can rot or peal off the handle.

* Liner-lock with safety-stop.
Most knives these days have a locking mechanism.

* Seat belt cutter.
If if needs a separate cutter for seat belts, that suggests to me that the main blade will not stay sharp enough to cut a seat belt.

* Blunt screwdriver tip blade.
440 stainless steel is brittle. It can break easily. Therefore the screwdriver tip is probably useless for any serious work.

* Glass breaker / window puncher.
The knife is made out of aluminium. It needs some extra material added to break a car window. I have never needed to break glass or car window, so I don't know how well it would work.

* Half serrated blade.
Try re-sharpening a serrated blade. I have made tools to do so; however, try finding one that is commercially available, and actually works.

* Lanyard eyelet.
Nice toy. I prefer a Sheath.

* Easy to close release button.
A lot (most) of knives have that.

* Extra large thumb stud for easy one-handed opening, right or left handed.
What is that? A set of groves on the knife to keep your thumb from slipping?

* Belt clip.
I prefer a sheath for my knife rather that something moulded into the side of the knife that gets in the way when I use it.

Just my opinion. :)Nice review, could you review the Leatherman also in such a fashion?

starcannon
July 28th, 2009, 11:28 AM
I use a gerber, for everything; camping, computer disassembly/reassembly, all kinds of stuff.
http://www.gerbergear.com/index.php/products/tools

It really comes down to how much you want your tool/knife to do, and how specialized you want it to be.

stinger30au
July 28th, 2009, 11:42 AM
i own a "leatherman charge" and have done so for about 3 years now and i bought a number of accessories for it

i swear by it, best thing since sliced bread

capnthommo
July 28th, 2009, 01:57 PM
This would be my suggestion:
http://www.buckknives.com/index.cfm?...productID=3660

i'd seriously recommend looking closer at Buck, i have had a 910 for years (more than i can remember - 25? 30?) and i wouldn't really want to use any other. steel quality, edge/honability, general build standard, it tops out in pretty much all areas.

maybe a tad more expensive but it's really worth paying the extra.
unless you really need combination tools they aren't really worth the effort. they seldom work properly and if you really need a screwdriver then take a screwdriver. as the saying is, 'jack of all trades, master of none'.
some combis aren't too bad (leatherman, gerber) but really i think it would be better to take a really good knife (either locking or rigid blade) and think carefully about what other things you are likely to need.

but in the end it mostly comes down to personal preference doesn't it?

cheers
nigel

hkgonra
July 28th, 2009, 02:21 PM
I normally carry a cold steel master hunter along with a vietnam tomahawk and a leatherman when I go camping.

Mighty_Joe
July 28th, 2009, 03:25 PM
It really comes down to how much you want your tool/knife to do, and how specialized you want it to be.

This. I have a Leatherman Wave (http://www.leathermanstore.com/leatherman67.html) in my toolbox and a Juice (http://www.leathermanstore.com/lesqp4stgrmu.html) in my backpack for work. In my case, the smaller the knife, the more often I carry it, and I find the tool I'm usually lacking is scissors, not a blade or pliers, so Juice it is.

Mistrblank
July 28th, 2009, 05:34 PM
Nice review, could you review the Leatherman also in such a fashion?

I'm going to put my vote in for the Leatherman Skeletool CX.

* 154CM Stainless Steel Clip Point/Sheepsfoot Combo Knife
Very sturdy, sharp blade. It's serrated though, but considering I would want a professional to resharpen my blade anyway doesn't bother me. The non-CX version includes 420HC Stainless Steel Clip Point/Sheepsfoot Hybrid Knife that has a non-serrated edge. In both cases there is a notch for one handed opening and closing, keeping in mind that it's built to be opened by the right hand. I'm left handed though and it hasn't bothered me.

* Needlenose Pliers
* Regular Pliers
* Wire Cutters
* Hard-wire Cutters
* Bottle Opener
* Carabiner Clip
It also has a belt clip if you want that kind of thing and if you don't it's removable. I prefer the Carabiner since I can clip it to a number of things and have it on hand. Sheaths are nice, and you can actually purchase one for this, but I have avoided it.

* Large Bit Driver
* INCLUDED BITS: Phillips #1 and #2 Bit, Screwdriver 3/16" and 1/4" Bit
This is actually two double sided bits. You can purchase another kit that adds another 22 specifically designed flat bits. One bit will fit in the tool folded as normal and there is another slot on the handle for the second bit. You could in theory buy the kit and store 2 of the bits you use the most with the tool if the ones that come with it aren't needed as much. There is also the option to buy an extension bit that you can use the extra flat bits or your standard hex drivers. The customizable drivers alone makes it worth it for me so that I have all of my drivers for computer work available.

The CX version is made of stainless steel and carbon fiber. The design of both versions is to be light, both weighing only 5 ounces. I like that feature because I can carry it with me all the time and barely know it's there. It's is MUCH lighter than than my Gerber Suspension, but keeping in mind that it is designed that way and designed in such a way that it doesn't have all of tools.

Also many multitools, particularly Gerbers and many of the Leatherman line are designed with the Pliers/Wire cutter in mind for usage. For the Skeletool, it's there, but the design definitely leans more heavily toward the blade feeling much more like a pocket knife than one found on a standard multitool.

I think you need to identify what you need. What do you need for camping? What do you need in the car? Is the blade the most important part of the tool that you need? Do you need an aggressive pulling hook (seatbelt cutter)? Do you need a saw blade? Do you need bottle or can opener? Are Scissors/Pliers/Wirecutters/etc. necessary? Is a bit driver, particularly one with the ability to use hex bits, important to you?

I think we're all making a lot of recommendations without knowing the needs of the original poster.

sloggerkhan
July 28th, 2009, 05:48 PM
440 Steel is fine for a knife blade, most knife nuts actually prefer harder blades/steels, and many companies make tempers known as 440a, 440b, and 440c to denote hardness levels, but there are many other blade steels that are much harder than the 440 series stainless, though I think the main downside to harder blades isn't that they perform poorly, it's that they're much harder to sharpen.

Maybe see http://www.agrussell.com/Articles/a/109/ for some info.

That said, there are plenty of companies that make good knives, I think my first thought is SOG, though there are plenty of other good makers, maybe take a look at what Colombia River Knife and Tool has (CRKT).

HappinessNow
July 28th, 2009, 05:49 PM
This. I have a Leatherman Wave (http://www.leathermanstore.com/leatherman67.html) in my toolbox and a Juice (http://www.leathermanstore.com/lesqp4stgrmu.html) in my backpack for work. In my case, the smaller the knife, the more often I carry it, and I find the tool I'm usually lacking is scissors, not a blade or pliers, so Juice it is.
I carry the Leatherman Mini on me at all times and use it always, I especially like the built in scissors.

arcdrag
July 28th, 2009, 06:08 PM
IMO, any leatherman or gerber is going to be about the best quality per dollar you're going to find and I believe both have a lifetime warranty. If you go camping a lot, then you may want to make sure you find something that is specialized for your needs. However, if you're like me and your knives/multitools cut the occasional rope, fishing line, etc... and don't see any heavy use, then you really don't have to pay much to find the last pocket knife you will ever have to pay for.

dlmarti
July 28th, 2009, 06:23 PM
I have 1-2 leathermans, and a couple of clones, I really like the idea of them.
Unfortunately they just aren't something you can carry around all the time and be comfortable with it. Also the tools/blade are a huge compromise, they aren't really GOOD at anything.

blur xc
July 28th, 2009, 06:28 PM
** 440 stainless steel blade is laser-cut and ice hardened.
*440 stainless steel is brittle. It can break easily.
Not true. It all depends on the temper. You can make a 440C blade strong and tough. Maybe true of a cheap 440C blade... 440c is a fine blade material, but beware, it's not as rust proof as other stainless steels.

** Handles are aluminium with anti-slip rubber inlays.
*The rubber inlays can rot or peal off the handle.
I hate rubber inlays..

* Liner-lock with safety-stop.
Most knives these days have a locking mechanism.

** Seat belt cutter.
*If if needs a separate cutter for seat belts, that suggests to me that the main blade will not stay sharp enough to cut a seat belt.
It has nothing to do with the main blade being able to stay sharp. When cutting a seatbelt, you are often close to the one being cut from the vehicle. A seat belt cutter is designed to help make sure the one being rescued isn't cut. They often look like a letter opener, just bigger, or have a but dull nose.

** Blunt screwdriver tip blade.
*440 stainless steel is brittle. It can break easily. Therefore the screwdriver tip is probably useless for any serious work.
Again, not true- same reason as above.

** Glass breaker / window puncher.
*The knife is made out of aluminium. It needs some extra material added to break a car window. I have never needed to break glass or car window, so I don't know how well it would work.
Good glass breakers are made from super hard carbide or something, they take very little force to break tempered glass.

** Half serrated blade.
*Try re-sharpening a serrated blade. I have made tools to do so; however, try finding one that is commercially available, and actually works.
I also dislike serrated blades.

* Lanyard eyelet.
Nice toy. I prefer a Sheath.

* Easy to close release button.
A lot (most) of knives have that.


** Extra large thumb stud for easy one-handed opening, right or left handed.
*What is that? A set of groves on the knife to keep your thumb from slipping?
If you have to ask, you'll never know! J/k- but seriously- thumb studs are very handy for easy opening. http://www.crkt.com/M21.html These knives are very easy to open one handed, even while wearing gloves, which is very nice in the cold. The bump on the blade that acts as a finger guard when open, acts as a button to open the knife when it's closed.

** Belt clip.
*I prefer a sheath for my knife rather that something moulded into the side of the knife that gets in the way when I use it.
I'm big fan of belt clips...

All that said, I carry a leatherman charge ti, which is just an expensive leatherman wave with ti handles, because ti is cool. I use the pliers more than anything, and the screwdriver bits 2nd after that. The saw blade is actually usable, and I've used it to make bow drill setups that I actually started fires with. The file works good, and so does the can opener. the wire stripper, not quite so good. But the wire cutter part of the pliers kicks butt. Oh yeah, and the scissors. I use them a lot, and they actually work real well. I've made some very nice alcohol stoves out of soda cans using nothing but my leatherman. So, if I were stranded, I'd want my leatherman ahead of my tactical folders. They are cooler, but a lot less useful.

Oh, and all the tools on the leatherman lock in the open position- no accidentally smashed fingers. Though, if you are squeezing real hard with the pliers and slip off what you are pliering, you stand a good chance at giving yourself a blood blister. The handles close together pretty close making for a mean pinch point. That doesn't happen with real pliers.

Just my $0.02.

BM

Mighty_Joe
July 28th, 2009, 08:08 PM
Also the tools/blade are a huge compromise, they aren't really GOOD at anything.

True. If I'm close to my tool box or have the time/desire to go get it, I'll dig around and get the right tool. If I need to cut/crimp/mangle/spindle something RIGHT NOW, the Juice works GOOD ENOUGH.

waloshin
July 28th, 2009, 08:18 PM
Thanks everybody is it just me or is Puma claiming they make the same knife?

http://shop.pumaknives.com/puma-knif...ives-p-58.html

- What I will use the knife for is possibly cutting rope, also for survival as you never know what could happen. It must also be legal in Canada and not be made in China.

When I'm not camping I will have the knife in my car for emergency situations cutting seat belts breaking widows etc.

CrusaderAD
July 28th, 2009, 09:35 PM
I've used quite a few. I suggest:

Folding Blade: Gerber Obsidian
Fixed Blade: Gerber LMF II

A Leatherman is excellent to have as well.

szymon_g
July 28th, 2009, 10:50 PM
depending what you prefer:
or big knife- than take falkniven a1 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JdDwLcSRaNU

or get nice, victorinox http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5-oQKNqSS2c - i have got a German Bundeswehr version - which is, basically, the same as this one (with exception of saw). I can really recommend it, i'm using it daily.

nmaster
July 28th, 2009, 11:14 PM
if want a serious knife, make sure that you have a high carbon steel blade. swiss army knives (and most other blades for that matter) are stainless steel. stainless alloys are softer and will dull faster. a carbon steel blade might take more work to keep sharp and clean, but it will be more durable and better in the long run.

waloshin
July 28th, 2009, 11:27 PM
I've heard of:

Puma, Ka-Bar, Gerber, Leatherman, SOG, Rat.

What does everyone recommendation? I am looking for a knife that won't break on me. And I do not like to buy Knife products from China. And it must be a folder.

As the knife will be in the car for emergencies when not on the trail should i opt for one with a glass breaker and seat belt cutter or not bother?

Old_Grey_Wolf
July 29th, 2009, 12:11 AM
- What I will use the knife for is possibly cutting rope, also for survival as you never know what could happen. It must also be legal in Canada and not be made in China.

When I'm not camping I will have the knife in my car for emergency situations cutting seat belts breaking widows etc.

That sounds like very low usage; therefore, a stainless steel blade, and serrated will work for you. The knife you originally asked about would probably be fine as well as the Leatherman others have suggested.

If you can, examine one at a store before ordering one online.

My favourite knives are Schrade. However, they are not for everyone; because, they are high maintenance. I had a Ka-Bar that I liked decades ago; however, like the Schrade it was high maintenance. High maintenance is not a problem for me because I use a knife every day.

Captain Spaulding
July 29th, 2009, 12:38 AM
I have carried a swiss army knife style knife since high school and the same swiss army brand one for the last 15 years and would not be without it for camping or daily life. Just one's person's preference but it depends on what you need. I have a few knives that work better for specific jobs but it is the swiss army knfie that gets carried almost daily.

red_Marvin
July 29th, 2009, 12:48 AM
Maybe it is my experience with cheap swiss army (-like) multitools, but my rule of thumb is that if it is anything else than a knife, it is probably not a very good knife.

nmaster
July 29th, 2009, 01:00 AM
for survival situations, i would NEVER trust a dinky little swiss army knife. they're great for day-to-day use, but aren't great for wilderness survival. just imagine trying to gut a rabbit with a Wenger - not a good idea. a leatherman is much better, but i still love my sheath knives. they are best for wilderness survival.

running_rabbit07
July 29th, 2009, 01:15 AM
Would this be a good car / hiking+ camping knife?

Eickhorn-Solingen PRT-XII Pro Rescue Knife

http://www.mec.ca/Products/product_detail.jsp?FOLDER%3C%3Efolder_id=253437430 2696855&PRODUCT%3C%3Eprd_id=845524442622540

And is it legal in Canada?

For the car no knife is big enough, prefer my 45 to keep me safe. For the woods, I usually just get a cheap buck knife from whichever sporting goods store is on the way out of town. I always keep a leatherman with me but their blades aren't the best. I have had the same cheap buck knife in my tackle box for over 10 years.

As far as legalities, the fire arm is registered with concealed weapons permit and the knives normally found are ok too as long as they aren't concealed.

running_rabbit07
July 29th, 2009, 01:20 AM
I've heard of:

Puma, Ka-Bar, Gerber, Leatherman, SOG, Rat.

What does everyone recommendation? I am looking for a knife that won't break on me. And I do not like to buy Knife products from China. And it must be a folder.

As the knife will be in the car for emergencies when not on the trail should i opt for one with a glass breaker and seat belt cutter or not bother?

Gerber has better locking tools but every one I have had is missing tools because they snapped off. Leatherman has stronger tools but keep your fingers out of the way because the will try to snap shut when you have your back into it.

waloshin
July 30th, 2009, 06:49 PM
Just bought the Benchmade 906:

http://cgi.ebay.ca/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT&item=200358143532

CrusaderAD
July 31st, 2009, 08:34 PM
As the knife will be in the car for emergencies when not on the trail should i opt for one with a glass breaker and seat belt cutter or not bother?

Leatherman all the way.

Mighty_Joe
August 1st, 2009, 02:30 PM
As far as legalities, the fire arm is registered with concealed weapons permit. . .

What kind of nanny state you live in? Registering a firearm? (points and laughs) :o

running_rabbit07
August 1st, 2009, 06:10 PM
What kind of nanny state you live in? Registering a firearm? (points and laughs) :o

Required in all 50 states.

wojox
August 1st, 2009, 06:19 PM
This will do the trick

http://ubuntuforums.org/picture.php?albumid=1262&pictureid=4484

Dad1985
August 1st, 2009, 09:23 PM
why dont you ask this of knife hobbyists on bladeforums.

Mighty_Joe
August 2nd, 2009, 03:20 PM
Required in all 50 states.
:confused:
As someone who carries a concealed firearm in real life, not just on the internet, I assure you there is little "required in all 50 states" of the typical gun owner (federal law (PDF) (http://www.nraila.org/GunLaws/Federal/Read.aspx?id=60)). State gun laws (http://www.nraila.org/GunLaws/) vary widely, especially on the subject of concealed carry.
Two states, Alaska(PDF) (http://www.nraila.org/GunLaws/#?st=AK) and Vermont(PDF) (http://www.nraila.org/GunLaws/#?st=VT), do not even require a citizen to obtain a license to concealed-carry, much less require registering a firearm.
In my state (PDF) (http://www.nraila.org/GunLaws/#?st=OH), one is required to apply for a permit to carry a concealed weapon. A 12-hour course of instruction covering basic firearm use, range fire and legalities is required, but registering one's firearm is not required. One can purchase a firearm from another private citizen (as opposed to a Federal Firearms License (FFL) holder without a background check or other paperwork, so it is possible to obtain firearms without any government paper trail.

running_rabbit07
August 2nd, 2009, 05:42 PM
:confused:
As someone who carries a concealed firearm in real life, not just on the internet, I assure you there is little "required in all 50 states" of the typical gun owner (federal law (PDF) (http://www.nraila.org/GunLaws/Federal/Read.aspx?id=60)). State gun laws (http://www.nraila.org/GunLaws/) vary widely, especially on the subject of concealed carry.
Two states, Alaska(PDF) (http://www.nraila.org/GunLaws/#?st=AK) and Vermont(PDF) (http://www.nraila.org/GunLaws/#?st=VT), do not even require a citizen to obtain a license to concealed-carry, much less require registering a firearm.
In my state (PDF) (http://www.nraila.org/GunLaws/#?st=OH), one is required to apply for a permit to carry a concealed weapon. A 12-hour course of instruction covering basic firearm use, range fire and legalities is required, but registering one's firearm is not required. One can purchase a firearm from another private citizen (as opposed to a Federal Firearms License (FFL) holder without a background check or other paperwork, so it is possible to obtain firearms without any government paper trail.

I don't live in Alaska nor Vermont so I don't know about their laws. The county where I live requires each firearm to be listed on the permit. As far as other states go, I really don't care about their laws because I don't live there.

I personally don't believe anything the NRA has to say anymore after the lies they put in American Rifleman and in letters in my mailbox during the recent presidential election. I did not renew my membership. I guess they do that every four years. They go anti Democrat and waste lots of money to send vote for the Republican just to send another letter two weeks before the election asking for donations.

Mighty_Joe
August 2nd, 2009, 07:09 PM
The county where I live requires each firearm to be listed on the permit. . .(in your previous post)Required in all 50 states. . .

It sounds like you have a problem extrapolating conclusions from a single data point


.. . They go anti Democrat and waste lots of money to send vote for the Republican . . .

Case in point. My state's DEMOCRATIC governor received an NRA endorsement in 2006 (http://www.nrapvf.org/News/Read.aspx?ID=7527&T=1) and has actually proved more pro-gun (http://www.nraila.org/News/Read/NewsReleases.aspx?id=11130) than our previous Republican governor.
More Republicans are pro-gun then Democrats, so the NRA will sponsor more Republicans. I'm not a single-issue voter, but I find it hard to vote for Democrats who don't respect the Bill of Rights.
This forum is really not the place to discuss this topic. I suggest you look up a good gun forum (http://www.ar15.com/forums/board.html?b=8) and get up to speed. If you ever plan to step foot outside your county, you ignore gun laws at your peril.
Sorry for the thread hijack :D

Blacklightbulb
August 2nd, 2009, 07:10 PM
What difference does it make? A knife is always a knife providing it's sharp and strong.
BTW that knife seems a toy. Get something that won't break in two upon the slightest pressure.

running_rabbit07
August 2nd, 2009, 07:27 PM
It sounds like you have a problem extrapolating conclusions from a single data point
Ok, so I previously didn't do any research and figured that all states had registration as a minimum. I was wrong, whatever.


Case in point. My state's DEMOCRATIC governor received an NRA endorsement in 2006 (http://www.nrapvf.org/News/Read.aspx?ID=7527&T=1) and has actually proved more pro-gun (http://www.nraila.org/News/Read/NewsReleases.aspx?id=11130) than our previous Republican governor.
More Republicans are pro-gun then Democrats, so the NRA will sponsor more Republicans. I'm not a single-issue voter, but I find it hard to vote for Democrats who don't respect the Bill of Rights.
This forum is really not the place to discuss this topic. I suggest you look up a good gun forum (http://www.ar15.com/forums/board.html?b=8) and get up to speed. If you ever plan to step foot outside your county, you ignore gun laws at your peril.
Sorry for the thread hijack :D

I have nothing to worry about in my state as far as the registration laws go because this is the only county in the state that has the registration law. I did not use gun control as a factor in my vote because our government is so corrupt we will never have proper representation until our representatives are blocked from receiving donations of any kind.

Yes, you are right, this is the wrong forum for this discussion. I just mentioned that I carry a firearm for my families protection because thugs don't back down from a knife. Then for some reason you felt the need to start questioning me because your state has different laws.

sloggerkhan
August 4th, 2009, 11:03 AM
Ok, so I previously didn't do any research and figured that all states had registration as a minimum. I was wrong, whatever.



I have nothing to worry about in my state as far as the registration laws go because this is the only county in the state that has the registration law. I did not use gun control as a factor in my vote because our government is so corrupt we will never have proper representation until our representatives are blocked from receiving donations of any kind.

Yes, you are right, this is the wrong forum for this discussion. I just mentioned that I carry a firearm for my families protection because thugs don't back down from a knife. Then for some reason you felt the need to start questioning me because your state has different laws.

It's not because his state has different laws, it's because you made a broad and factually incorrect claim. Which you have now acknowledged.

hkgonra
August 4th, 2009, 02:43 PM
:confused:
As someone who carries a concealed firearm in real life, not just on the internet, I assure you there is little "required in all 50 states" of the typical gun owner (federal law (PDF) (http://www.nraila.org/GunLaws/Federal/Read.aspx?id=60)). State gun laws (http://www.nraila.org/GunLaws/) vary widely, especially on the subject of concealed carry.
Two states, Alaska(PDF) (http://www.nraila.org/GunLaws/#?st=AK) and Vermont(PDF) (http://www.nraila.org/GunLaws/#?st=VT), do not even require a citizen to obtain a license to concealed-carry, much less require registering a firearm.
In my state (PDF) (http://www.nraila.org/GunLaws/#?st=OH), one is required to apply for a permit to carry a concealed weapon. A 12-hour course of instruction covering basic firearm use, range fire and legalities is required, but registering one's firearm is not required. One can purchase a firearm from another private citizen (as opposed to a Federal Firearms License (FFL) holder without a background check or other paperwork, so it is possible to obtain firearms without any government paper trail.


I think Ted settles this quite nicely.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T_QjEL0uUgo

Mighty_Joe
August 5th, 2009, 01:31 PM
I think Ted settles this quite nicely.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T_QjEL0uUgo

Ted's a nut (seriously, the guy's a fruitcake) but he speaks the truth. I wish the government would obey it's own laws :)

Sockerdrickan
August 5th, 2009, 01:45 PM
http://www.aselehti.fi/images/SpydercoPolice_iso.jpg

patrica34
July 14th, 2010, 08:41 AM
Thanks for this nice post! I am new on this site and i like to know more about knifes.I like if you make some updates on this post...

Xianath
July 14th, 2010, 09:01 AM
If all you want is a sturdy blade, you can't go wrong with a Ka-Bar tactical knife. The Becker TacTool falls between a tactical knife and a multi-tool, and though a really solid product, takes getting used to. If you'd rather have a multi-tool, I too recommend Leatherman -- the larger, the better. I have a Surge + bit driver extension + screwdriver bits, and I am yet to find something I can't disassemble (and sometimes even put back together) with it.

szymon_g
July 14th, 2010, 09:37 AM
get Survival Rescue Knife
http://www.coldsteel.com/srk.html

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@Xianath
i find ka-bars much too big to be useful on every-day tasks (not in military 'actions')- if someone likes fixed blade (practically a must-be in survival knives) than SRK or fallkniven a1 would be good idea. if someone likes pocket knives- well, i've got a Bundeswehr pocket knife (apart from saw, its de facto identical to Swiss army pocket knife- but to the true one, not those red knives for tourists)- i'm using it very often, and i like it.

cascade9
July 14th, 2010, 09:44 AM
http://quattrovecchiinamerica.files.wordpress.com/2009/10/machete.jpg

When you mustly go guerilla camping in subtropical rainforest, its good choice ;)

cespinal
July 14th, 2010, 10:00 AM
actually the ONLY choice.... there is no way you can go through a patch of rainforest without that :)

cascade9
July 14th, 2010, 10:04 AM
Nah, where I go it is possible to push your way through, but its not fun. I try to avoid cutting to much anyway, the poor vines have a right to live.

The Real Dave
July 14th, 2010, 02:19 PM
You know what the best knife I've had was? a 10cm long straight blade knife I found on a beach. I can only presume it was a fishermans or something. It was rusted when I found it, but sharpened up well, though, not sharp enough to shave with :P

It's got a heavy hard plastic base which doesn't quite sink, but doesn't float to the top either. It has broken car windows with ease, and the base of the handle flares out a bit, which will protect your hand somewhat, and prevents it slipping from your hand.

The handle is quite large, and I've quite small hands, making something like, I dunno, paring a pencil quite awkward. The advantage is though, that even with the coldest, stiffest hands, gripping it is easy.

That knife has been my companion for a few years now, and I only sharpen it really 2-3 times a year, it's use is fairly light though.



EDIT: On the subject of the knife having a seatbelt cutter, so long as it's one of the hook shape ones, I'd consider that a bonus. Cutting a seatbelt with a proper hook-type seatbelt cutter like the one below is much safer, and often quicker than using a knife in my experience.

If someone is stuck in their belt, and you are cutting it off (as a rescuer would arriving to a accident might for example), you'll be cutting across the chest and lap.

It's quite easy to nick the person with a knife, and almost guaranteed if it's a double sided blade. If it's a child, they'll generally wriggle, and you risk doing them serious damage.

A proper seatbelt cutter encloses the blade, allowing you to get it under the belt safely.

I always keep one in the car, mine attaches to my seatbelt with a little cover when not in use :)

http://www.lifemedicalsupplier.com/images/seat%20belt%20cutter.jpg

EDIT: EDIT: I just found a picture of a similar knife, a little less bulky though

http://www.swedishknives.com/images/760%20Swedish.jpg

ve4cib
July 14th, 2010, 02:59 PM
To the OP: the link you posted originally appears to be broken. But it went to MEC's website, and as far as I know MEC is a Canadian company. So I'd be willing to bet that if MEC sells it that it's legal in Canada. Canada doesn't have much in the way of knife laws; you can carry a freaking sword around with you in public, provided it's sheathed and clearly visible from three compass points.

As for camping knives, it really depends on the type of camping. Survival camping (where you're carrying virtually nothing and expecting to hunt/forrage and build your own shelters as you go) you'll probably want a military-style survival knife. Something you can use like a hatchet to cut down small- to medium-sized trees with, etc. These knives are durable as hell, but heavy.

For your more typical lightweight, backcountry backpacking (with a tent, some kind of white gas/parafin stove, and pre-packed food) a lightweight folding knife (something like this (http://www.buckknives.com/index.cfm?event=product.detail&productID=3764)) would suffice. They're a lot lighter to carry, easier to pack, and good ones are almost as rugged as sheath knives if you need to use it in an emergency.

Multi-tools (like Leathermans and Gerbers) are good camping choices too. I'm also a Leatherman Wave owner, and take mine with me camping pretty much all the time. It's a lot heavier than my folding Buck knife, but when I need to repair the camping stove three days into the woods it's nice to have that small screwdriver. The serrated blade on the Wave is also great for cutting ropes and webbing if necessary. Les Stroud (the Survivorman (http://lesstroud.ca/survivorman/home.php)) even carries a Leatherman Wave with him in most episodes. And he definitely knows what he's doing when it comes to being in the woods.

dmizer
July 14th, 2010, 03:17 PM
This one's already been knifed to death. There's no reason to take another stab at it.