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pawantiwary
July 18th, 2009, 05:34 PM
hi.........i am very newbie in ubuntu and i am lookin for anti porn software like netdog in
windows for ubuntu .........pls provide the link to download ....
thanx

lavinog
July 18th, 2009, 05:38 PM
I don't know about software, but you could use opendns.org for a dns server.
You can set it to block malacious and age inapropriate sites.
https://www.opendns.com/start/best_practices/

y-lee
July 18th, 2009, 05:48 PM
http://dansguardian.org/

earthpigg
July 18th, 2009, 05:50 PM
hi.........i am very newbie in ubuntu and i am lookin for anti porn software like netdog in
windows for ubuntu .........pls provide the link to download ....
thanx

whatever you find, please keep in mind that if your son is better with computers than you, it probably won't accomplish much.

is your son able to put a live cd in the computer and boot from it? :D

netdog, or any other home censorship software, purchases piece-of-mind for the parents. that is what customers purchase, and that is what they get.

CLomax
July 18th, 2009, 05:56 PM
You could block certain sites using your router. I know mine has parental controls on it.

lavinog
July 18th, 2009, 06:00 PM
whatever you find, please keep in mind that if your son is better with computers than you, it probably won't accomplish much.

is your son able to put a live cd in the computer and boot from it? :D

netdog, or any other home censorship software, purchases piece-of-mind for the parents. that is what customers purchase, and that is what they get.

Some routers have filter capabilities that are more difficult to work around.
But with wireless being available everywhere, this is getting tougher to control also.

You can disable boots from the cd in bios and set a bios password.
The child can reset the bios by opening the case, and shorting a jumper.
You could put a padlock on the case if you really need to.

You can also control when the computer can be used. I don't know of a setting, but there are various ways to keep the computer off during certain time periods.

t4thfavor
July 18th, 2009, 06:19 PM
Bottom line, it won't matter. You will never stop porn without stopping the internet in its entirety.

The best thing you can do is install a dansguardian or untangle box in a locked closet, and run all your net through that. Also disable any wireless nic's on your PC, as I assure you your neighbor with no kids does not care about blocking porn.

Then your son will figure out a way in which to circumvent that, or he will find sites that score just naughty enough to get past the filters.

So like I said bottom line, it won't matter.

Put the PC in the living room, and set scheduled PC hours. and punish accordingly foor breaking the rules.

ufolx
July 18th, 2009, 06:27 PM
You will never stop porn without stopping the internet in its entirety.

Agree

Alethi0
July 18th, 2009, 06:41 PM
Like someone has said previously, trying to block out porn is nearly impossible.

If your child is over the age of 15 (like me) it's probably advisable not to set up a filter as they are easy to get round.

If my mother set up a filter I'd kick off (and be amazed that she managed it) because a lot of the websites I visit, most of them not porn, still pass the mark of being explicit, such as 4chan (for its Paranormal board)

Furthermore, if you really want to control what your child views, as previously suggested, put the computer in the living room and control what times it is used and always check the history after. If you want to be really tight-fisted you could always supervise your child using the machine?

lavinog
July 18th, 2009, 06:42 PM
Bottom line, it won't matter. You will never stop porn without stopping the internet in its entirety.

Wireless jammer or wrapping your house in foil could help ;)

earthpigg
July 18th, 2009, 06:50 PM
hi.........i am very newbie in ubuntu and i am lookin for anti porn software like netdog in
windows for ubuntu .........pls provide the link to download ....
thanx

pawantiwary;

please don't be put off that you haven't gotten many direct answers to your direct question.

its not that we would deny you the right to attempt whatever you wish with your computer and family --

its that we dont want to put you under the impression that 'method x' will be effective when we very much doubt that to be true.

the only people that will tell you otherwise ("if you do this, your kid wont be able to look at porn!") are likely people trying to sell you a shiny $50 box with an install CD in it for software that will accomplish absolutely nothing. or perhaps sell you consulting fees, as the case may be.

we aren't after your dollar, most of us are adults that can look at porn if/when we feel like it, and some of us are likely parents ourselves and fully understanding your frustration.... we have no reason to mislead you or tell you anything but the blunt - and possibly unpleasant - truth.

best bet so far, that i have seen: see if your router has parental controls that allow specific sites to be blocked. compile a list of every porn site your son/daughter is likely to come across, and hand that list over to the router. alternatively, hope your kid isn't smart enough to hit [tools -> start private browsing] and use his firefox history as a reference. keep the router locked up where the kid can't get to it and reset it.

bodyharvester
July 18th, 2009, 06:51 PM
you could install a keylogger, i dont know how but it must be possible

running_rabbit07
July 18th, 2009, 07:02 PM
Or, your son is like most teens and has no clue when it comes to the technical stuff. I don't know which DNS server the Gov uses but when I was in the army they blocked us from going to any website that has anything resemble porn. We could even visit Maxim Magizine's site and all their photos were clothed or censored yet erotic.

I know with MS when you set up separate accounts for users and didn't give them admin access you could block websites. Or you can set up the system to where he can not delete his history, and let him know he will lose computer privilages if you catch him looking at porn.

Of coarse there are advantages of teens having porn to relieve their anxioties rather than out trying to get the real thing. I guess the important part is making sure he knows to make the right decisions when the time comes. It is hard being a parent in the information age. It is scary the things a child can learn on the net, just gotta hope we raised them right.

earthpigg
July 18th, 2009, 07:11 PM
you could install a keylogger, i dont know how but it must be possible

http://www.amazon.com/KeyLlama-1-Gigabyte-USB-KeyLogger/dp/B00161M3L6

donkyhotay
July 18th, 2009, 07:21 PM
Furthermore, if you really want to control what your child views, as previously suggested, put the computer in the living room and control what times it is used and always check the history after. If you want to be really tight-fisted you could always supervise your child using the machine?


As everyone else has said filters do zilch except give you a false sense of security. The best security is to keep the computer in a public location with all the limitations that implies.

bodyharvester
July 18th, 2009, 07:26 PM
http://www.amazon.com/KeyLlama-1-Gigabyte-USB-KeyLogger/dp/B00161M3L6

that is awesome :D

i had no idea they came as USB's, 1 Gb seems a bit much though :P

i saw a keylogger program on a site called majorgeeks but i wouldnt trust a program like that, not that i actually need one

id just like to autopsy it and see how it works

running_rabbit07
July 18th, 2009, 07:42 PM
that is awesome :D

i had no idea they came as USB's, 1 Gb seems a bit much though :P

i saw a keylogger program on a site called majorgeeks but i wouldnt trust a program like that, not that i actually need one

id just like to autopsy it and see how it works

yeah, even the cheaper priced mini din one looks like a good deal, if you use a mini din keyboard.

Mike'sHardLinux
July 18th, 2009, 07:53 PM
Keyloggers do not block porn. I am pretty sure of this.

There have been some good suggestions in this thread, such as DansGuardian. But, there is no "set it and forget it solution" for this type of thing. If you want to truly "protect" them from porn and other things, you can install the various software like DansGuardian, but you have to be vigilant, too. Do things like checking the browsing history. Have a talk with your child and explain to them why you believe they should avoid such websites.

The truth is, the best software for this purpose is parental supervision. Ya, it requires more time and effort, but didn't you know that was the case when you decided to have a child? :-)

Viva
July 18th, 2009, 07:59 PM
Bottom line, it won't matter. You will never stop porn without stopping the internet in its entirety.

The best thing you can do is install a dansguardian or untangle box in a locked closet, and run all your net through that. Also disable any wireless nic's on your PC, as I assure you your neighbor with no kids does not care about blocking porn.

Then your son will figure out a way in which to circumvent that, or he will find sites that score just naughty enough to get past the filters.

So like I said bottom line, it won't matter.

Put the PC in the living room, and set scheduled PC hours. and punish accordingly foor breaking the rules.

He may be trying to protect his kid from accidentally opening adult sites.

kamitsukai
July 18th, 2009, 08:03 PM
Best bet is to use a router which allows you to set your own DNS and then use it with opendns like a previous poster mentioned this would prevent any computer that connects to the router from viewing porn although you would have to keep the router hidden/locked away to prevent it from being reset it would also need to be password protected

but even this will only prevent your son from directly accessing websites he could quite easily use a service such as http://hidemyass.com/ or one of the many hundred thousand or so other proxy sites which are well known among teenagers to get passed school blocking software such as RM

basically the only way to stop him looking completely is to put the PC in a communal room and sit there with him:)

doorknob60
July 18th, 2009, 09:13 PM
I don't know about software, but you could use opendns.org for a dns server.
You can set it to block malacious and age inapropriate sites.
https://www.opendns.com/start/best_practices/

+1 for OpenDNS. It has other advantages too.

scrooge_74
July 18th, 2009, 09:20 PM
1. Use OPEN DNS, then register (free) and config stuff to filter out
2. Install Danguardian (howto in this forum is pretty good)

Using both solutions will keep a lot of stuff out if not all, my kids are not that technicall so they wont be trying to mess with the configs at least for a couple of years. In the past I have made it very clear that I have full control of everything that happens in their PC (reboot now and then, blocking them from using it) that has kept them under leash :D

running_rabbit07
July 18th, 2009, 09:21 PM
+1 for OpenDNS. It has other advantages too.

Does OpenDNS save save browsing history?

doas777
July 18th, 2009, 09:22 PM
wait, you want anti porn software?

winjeel
July 19th, 2009, 07:55 AM
I agree with some others here, if there's a will, there's a way. What we will be doing is situating our child's computer between ours, and in the main living area. So even if we're not doing anything at our computers, we might be cooking or watching TV, the deterrent is there... no computers allowed in the bedroom! I think it's the cheapest and most social way of family computing.

Viva
July 19th, 2009, 08:04 AM
I agree with some others here, if there's a will, there's a way. What we will be doing is situating our child's computer between ours, and in the main living area. So even if we're not doing anything at our computers, we might be cooking or watching TV, the deterrent is there... no computers allowed in the bedroom! I think it's the cheapest and most social way of family computing.

I don't necessarily agree with that. As I said before, even if the computer is in the living room, the kid may accidentally stumble across stuff he should not be viewing or click on a link with a misleading anchor. A filter will be extremely useful in such case.

winjeel
July 19th, 2009, 09:08 AM
niteshifter, so true. :)


I don't necessarily agree with that. As I said before, even if the computer is in the living room, the kid may accidentally stumble across stuff he should not be viewing or click on a link with a misleading anchor. A filter will be extremely useful in such case.

How does he or she learn what's safe and what's not?

Viva
July 19th, 2009, 09:16 AM
niteshifter, so true. :)



How does he or she learn what's safe and what's not?

A 10 yo doesn't know what's safe and what's not, that is why a web filter is a useful protection layer. You're not trying to say a kid should watch porn to learn right and wrong, are you?

philcamlin
July 19th, 2009, 04:15 PM
whatever you find, please keep in mind that if your son is better with computers than you, it probably won't accomplish much.

Is your son able to put a live cd in the computer and boot from it? :d

netdog, or any other home censorship software, purchases piece-of-mind for the parents. That is what customers purchase, and that is what they get.

+1

Gone fishing
July 19th, 2009, 05:11 PM
Yes you can filter - on our school system I use a squid proxy squidguard and a comprehensive list of blocked sites including anonymous proxys - of course it is possible to find a way of getting to sites that you shouldn't but its not easy.

I have mixed feelings about blocking content as kids will be exposed to this stuff at some point and should now how to deal with it. Possibly checking the history and discussing what you find might be more of a learning experience.

I think, however, using squid a squid guard squid guard is probably not an option for you how about Tinyproxy http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=122011 or DansGuardian.

mystmaiden
July 19th, 2009, 05:55 PM
ad-block on firefox blocks a lot of ads and links to that kind of stuff which might be helpful.

Keyloggers will report back to you but by the time they do the child has already seen the harmful stuff better to set up your router to block a bunch of it. Nothing is ever going to be completely safe.

myst

haiyun211
July 21st, 2009, 11:12 PM
Like a few said it may be to protect children from accidently winding up on porn sites. Its true if they are looking for the porn they will find it one way or another. And the only solution wich the best solution that has been mentioned many times is putting the computer in a high traffic area where people are always at like a living room.

devildoc5
July 21st, 2009, 11:22 PM
This may be a little late or kinda mentioned earlier, but SOMe routers have filtering as mentioned before, this is always a good step.

Also I have noticed a few routers that will filter out ANY website that conatains whatever words you add into the list. According to various testing I have performed this works for words in the title, headers, meta tags, and body. It does slow down browsing minimally as it has to search each word before allowing you to view the site.

While this method will never be 100% effective I can see how it will benefit a great number of concerned parents.

Moral of the story is, if your router contains the abilities to block by keywords, sit down with a cold beer (or 6) and think of every nasty word that could ever appear on a website you do not want your child to look at and add it into the keywords filter.........

earthpigg
July 22nd, 2009, 04:52 PM
Moral of the story is, if your router contains the abilities to block by keywords, sit down with a cold beer (or 6) and think of every nasty word that could ever appear on a website you do not want your child to look at and add it into the keywords filter.........

remember how old disney cartoons have phallic objects of a certain very specific shape with certain very specific characteristics, and other 'questionable' material in the background of a lot of their older cartoons (little mermaid, etc)?


.... has anyone thoroughly checked disney.com?

devildoc5
July 26th, 2009, 10:46 PM
remember how old disney cartoons have phallic objects of a certain very specific shape with certain very specific characteristics, and other 'questionable' material in the background of a lot of their older cartoons (little mermaid, etc)?


.... has anyone thoroughly checked disney.com?

Oh great now there is a friggin grunt trying to question the almighty Doc? :D


Although I must state that I am not particularly sure if those images are actually "there" or if it is a case of suggestive perception.......

For example: I see blood on the carpet do you?

Yeah now that you mention it there might be a little blood there...

although that is just my two cents from the SMARTER half of the navy-marine combat team..........:P:D

Georgia boy
July 27th, 2009, 02:28 AM
Also what happens if they put the wrong extension in by mistake. Guess where some of those can take you. Innocently typed in but look where some can lead you. Someone once told me about how they had typed .com instead of .gov and guess what they got? How many of us have done the typeO of the wrong extension or misspelled wording and was scratching our head when we got a different site than what we were expecting? It's so easy to do when you're in a hurry and not paying attention to what you're doing. All of the precautions in the world could go out the window if you're not careful in what you're doing.

Tom

llamabr
July 27th, 2009, 04:19 AM
You could always try having a conversation with the kid.

lisati
July 27th, 2009, 04:25 AM
Also I have noticed a few routers that will filter out ANY website that conatains whatever words you add into the list. According to various testing I have performed this works for words in the title, headers, meta tags, and body. It does slow down browsing minimally as it has to search each word before allowing you to view the site.

+1: one of my routers has the option to block sites by keyword, my other router even has an option to redirect questionable URLs to a safer URL e.g. if someone trys to go to thepiratebay.org it can be redirected to download.com


remember how old disney cartoons have phallic objects of a certain very specific shape with certain very specific characteristics, and other 'questionable' material in the background of a lot of their older cartoons (little mermaid, etc)?


.... has anyone thoroughly checked disney.com?

I have heard anecdotal evidence that Mr W.E. Disney himself might have been responsible for some of what's been seen but I'm not sure how reliable the source is.

QIII
July 27th, 2009, 04:42 AM
A large pair of cable cutters is fairly effective.

earthpigg
July 27th, 2009, 05:04 AM
I have heard anecdotal evidence that Mr W.E. Disney himself might have been responsible for some of what's been seen but I'm not sure how reliable the source is.

im not going to link anything specific, but one can google image search a bit and find some pretty convincing images. maybe not proof that Mr. Disney himself was directly involved, but someone sure as hell knew what they where drawing.

pkid
August 4th, 2009, 06:45 PM
I am 27 and I run a filter on my Windows box. I prefer it that way. Stops me from inadvertently stumbling on stuff I don't want to see. In my opinion it is better to stop it straight away cause once you have seen the images it is too late.

There are lots of kids who are not technical and so won't know how to boot up from a Live CD etc. I agree that if the person is very determined they will find a way but I still think that easy to use filtering software for Ubuntu would be cool.

The Real Dave
August 4th, 2009, 07:55 PM
My parents tried that once. Got an IT guy to set up all our internet to come through a proxy from his office, and locked it from our side (XP). Course, I wasn't too happy, and it ended up teaching me my first computer hack. Poor guy, every URL he typed turned to porn :(

When I turned 16, my folks stopped really minding, decided it was a healthy urge, and stopped trying to stop me. Shows trust, and gives the kid a sense of reponsibility. Treat a kid like a kid, and thats how they'll act.

Maybe their watching porn ain't as bad as it seems, so long as its not in excess.

Technoviking
August 4th, 2009, 08:37 PM
Put the PC in the living room, and set scheduled PC hours. and punish accordingly foor breaking the rules.

+1, Having the family pc in a public area, and clear rules about Internet usage for underage family members have proven to be the best way to have kids/teens use the Internet safely.

T-V

cmay
August 4th, 2009, 09:53 PM
i can understand the need for parental control. even that i dont have any kids on my own and is still free to do what ever i like in that context.

the problem with porn is that it is considered by some to be degrading to women but that is mostly because that the women that do make porn is often but not always of course addicted to drugs and or other things that makes them need money no matter what the means of getting it is.

and the problem lies in that people dont think of the reasons that each person on the pictures in the porn really has for being there in the first place.

the porn in it self is for the most part a real illusion of the sexual act that some young people today begins to see as the natural way these things are. and they cant live up to the phoney and fake over rated images that they are presented with.

much like the mainstream idea that we shoul all be ever happy and we do not have succes if we are not walking around with a big smile and have all the things that represents the status of succes like money and expensive things like cars and computers and cell phones. this is also an illusion and to live by illusions hurts society much more than it does it good.

in Denmark we have no regulations as such about where to put porn magazines and as a kid looking for donald duck magazines i would often see the adult magazines on the same shelf as well. that is why today i think its not worth my attention and i never bother to look at this. it hass become from an early age just an annoying thing like adds and commercials are.

on the ohter hand i think it is for those who knows that the images are not really the true representation of the human sexual behavior maybe better entertainment than so many other things like drinking too much and beating up on each other but to very young people who dont get any other image of life and the most natural things in it i think it is a real bad idea.

and i dont care much for it either even that i dont really mind if others read a dirty magazine once in a while as it is really none of my buisness . too much pictures of naked women everywhere is disturbing to me and that makes it my buisness.

p.s
mandriva seems to come with some programs for parental control per default. i dont know about it though.

xpod
August 4th, 2009, 10:09 PM
I use OpenDNS myself but only to prevent our younger girls accidentally landing on something we`d rather they didn`t land on.Theres far worse than plain old porn out there and my girls have no need to see any of it.
The older girls understand that and they have no problems with any filtering that may be in place.Not that they have much choice of course but it`s still discussed with them.Education and trust is really the only way to go with the older ones.
OpenDNS has never let us down though.We`ve never once had a horrified young daughter scream her disgust.

We currently keep the network split into two halves.The unfiltered wired side for the parents and our 16Yr old son and the filtered wireless side for the 4 girls(4-14).The wireless access point(2nd router) in question is also kept separate from the main router although thats more to do with better signals on this side of the house.
It`s not been practical for us to have just the one or two shared machines for about 3 years now so physically monitoring them all is out of the question.Thats not to mention the trouble any queues would cause:-?
Our two youngest do share a laptop setup in the sitting room although the rest all have their own PC`s in their own rooms.
Thats not to say they cant be monitored but it`s far easier doing that from down here than running about the house to look over shoulders.

Any irrational fears i might have had about this big bad(new to me) Internet prior to 04/06 have long been dispelled although that does not mean i dont stay just a little vigilant.

collinp
August 4th, 2009, 10:52 PM
Putting the computer in the living room is a good deterrent. Then again, I'm 14 and I have 4 computers in my room alone. Go figure.

Like others have said, if you choose the filter way, and if your kid is the slightest bit technically inclined, he/she can evade it.

There is no complete security on the internet, no matter what anyone will say to you. Filters have bugs, vulnerabilities, and otherwise sites that have gone unnoticed, and anything/anyone claiming to not have any of the said problems are sore liars.

starcannon
August 4th, 2009, 11:03 PM
http://dansguardian.org/
+1
dansguardian is available in synaptic as well.
https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Servers/DansGuardian for some community docs specific to Ubuntu.

GL