no rpm or yum installed - want them both!

[spxrs]

Hi, I haven't got rpm or yum installed for some reason. I think I need rpm before I could get yum to work anyhow (?). apt-get always fails to find rpm or yum. The synaptic package manager fails too. I try downloading the tar.gz files but they always fail at the make stage. Is my only option to try and get hold of the installation disks again? Thanks for any help!

[Partyboi2]

Hi, can you open a terminal and post the output please to

sudo apt-get update
sudo apt-get install yum rpm

[irv]

If you are trying to install rpm's in Ubuntu, you can convert them to deb files. This was posted in 2006 by Strabes:
convert rpm to deb
sudo apt-get install alien
sudo alien -i /path/to/file.rpm

Here is his blog: http://strabes.wordpress.com/2006/11/17/installing-rpm-packages-in-ubuntu/

[spxrs]

Hi, can you open a terminal and post the output please to

sudo apt-get update
sudo apt-get install yum rpm

Hi, Thanks for quick reply- here's the output: (16:48)tom@~/~> sudo apt-get update Password: Ign http://security.ubuntu.com feisty-security Release.gpg Ign http://security.ubuntu.com feisty-security/main Translation-en_GB Ign http://gb.archive.ubuntu.com feisty Release.gpg Ign http://gb.archive.ubuntu.com feisty/main Translation-en_GB Ign http://security.ubuntu.com feisty-security/restricted Translation-en_GB Ign http://security.ubuntu.com feisty-security/universe Translation-en_GB Ign http://security.ubuntu.com feisty-security/multiverse Translation-en_GB Ign http://security.ubuntu.com feisty-security Release Get: 1 http://packages.medibuntu.org feisty Release.gpg [197B] Ign http://packages.medibuntu.org feisty/free Translation-en_GB Ign http://gb.archive.ubuntu.com feisty/restricted Translation-en_GB Ign http://gb.archive.ubuntu.com feisty/universe Translation-en_GB Ign http://gb.archive.ubuntu.com feisty/multiverse Translation-en_GB Ign http://gb.archive.ubuntu.com feisty-updates Release.gpg Ign http://gb.archive.ubuntu.com feisty-updates/main Translation-en_GB Ign http://gb.archive.ubuntu.com feisty-updates/restricted Translation-en_GB Ign http://gb.archive.ubuntu.com feisty Release Ign http://security.ubuntu.com feisty-security/main Packages Hit http://packages.medibuntu.org feisty Release Ign http://gb.archive.ubuntu.com feisty-updates Release Err http://packages.medibuntu.org feisty Release Ign http://security.ubuntu.com feisty-security/restricted Packages Ign http://security.ubuntu.com feisty-security/main Sources Ign http://security.ubuntu.com feisty-security/restricted Sources Ign http://security.ubuntu.com feisty-security/universe Packages Get: 2 http://www.osrts.info edgy Release.gpg [1979B] Ign http://gb.archive.ubuntu.com feisty/main Packages Ign http://gb.archive.ubuntu.com feisty/restricted Packages Ign http://gb.archive.ubuntu.com feisty/main Sources Ign http://gb.archive.ubuntu.com feisty/restricted Sources Ign http://gb.archive.ubuntu.com feisty/universe Packages Get: 3 http://packages.medibuntu.org feisty Release [9324B] Ign http://security.ubuntu.com feisty-security/universe Sources Ign http://security.ubuntu.com feisty-security/multiverse Packages Ign http://security.ubuntu.com feisty-security/multiverse Sources Ign http://gb.archive.ubuntu.com feisty/universe Sources Ign http://gb.archive.ubuntu.com feisty/multiverse Packages Ign http://gb.archive.ubuntu.com feisty/multiverse Sources Err http://security.ubuntu.com feisty-security/main Packages 404 Not Found Err http://security.ubuntu.com feisty-security/restricted Packages 404 Not Found Err http://security.ubuntu.com feisty-security/main Sources 404 Not Found Ign http://gb.archive.ubuntu.com feisty-updates/main Packages Ign http://gb.archive.ubuntu.com feisty-updates/restricted Packages Ign http://gb.archive.ubuntu.com feisty-updates/main Sources Ign http://gb.archive.ubuntu.com feisty-updates/restricted Sources Err http://gb.archive.ubuntu.com feisty/main Packages 404 Not Found Err http://security.ubuntu.com feisty-security/restricted Sources 404 Not Found Ign http://packages.medibuntu.org feisty Release Err http://gb.archive.ubuntu.com feisty/restricted Packages 404 Not Found Err http://gb.archive.ubuntu.com feisty/main Sources 404 Not Found Err http://security.ubuntu.com feisty-security/universe Packages 404 Not Found Err http://security.ubuntu.com feisty-security/universe Sources 404 Not Found Err http://security.ubuntu.com feisty-security/multiverse Packages 404 Not Found Err http://gb.archive.ubuntu.com feisty/restricted Sources 404 Not Found Err http://gb.archive.ubuntu.com feisty/universe Packages 404 Not Found Err http://gb.archive.ubuntu.com feisty/universe Sources 404 Not Found Err http://gb.archive.ubuntu.com feisty/multiverse Packages 404 Not Found Err http://gb.archive.ubuntu.com feisty/multiverse Sources 404 Not Found Err http://gb.archive.ubuntu.com feisty-updates/main Packages 404 Not Found Err http://security.ubuntu.com feisty-security/multiverse Sources 404 Not Found Err http://gb.archive.ubuntu.com feisty-updates/restricted Packages 404 Not Found Err http://gb.archive.ubuntu.com feisty-updates/main Sources 404 Not Found Hit http://packages.medibuntu.org feisty/free Packages Err http://gb.archive.ubuntu.com feisty-updates/restricted Sources 404 Not Found Get: 4 http://www.osrts.info edgy/spring Translation-en_GB [2035B] 99% [4 Translation-en_GB bzip2 0] [Connecting to www.osrts.info (216.240.187.10bzip2: (stdin) is not a bzip2 file. Ign http://www.osrts.info edgy/spring Translation-en_GB Get: 5 http://www.osrts.info edgy Release [1995B] Ign http://www.osrts.info edgy Release Get: 6 http://www.osrts.info edgy/spring Packages [2037B] 88% [6 Packages bzip2 0]bzip2: (stdin) is not a bzip2 file. Err http://www.osrts.info edgy/spring Packages Sub-process bzip2 returned an error code (2) Fetched 17.6kB in 2s (6437B/s) Failed to fetch http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/feisty-security/main/binary-i386/Packages.gz 404 Not Found Failed to fetch http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/feisty-security/restricted/binary-i386/Packages.gz 404 Not Found Failed to fetch http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/feisty-security/main/source/Sources.gz 404 Not Found Failed to fetch http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/feisty-security/restricted/source/Sources.gz 404 Not Found Failed to fetch http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/feisty-security/universe/binary-i386/Packages.gz 404 Not Found Failed to fetch http://gb.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/feisty/main/binary-i386/Packages.gz 404 Not Found Failed to fetch http://gb.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/feisty/restricted/binary-i386/Packages.gz 404 Not Found Failed to fetch http://gb.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/feisty/main/source/Sources.gz 404 Not Found Failed to fetch http://gb.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/feisty/restricted/source/Sources.gz 404 Not Found Failed to fetch http://gb.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/feisty/universe/binary-i386/Packages.gz 404 Not Found Failed to fetch http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/feisty-security/universe/source/Sources.gz 404 Not Found Failed to fetch http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/feisty-security/multiverse/binary-i386/Packages.gz 404 Not Found Failed to fetch http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/feisty-security/multiverse/source/Sources.gz 404 Not Found Failed to fetch http://gb.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/feisty/universe/source/Sources.gz 404 Not Found Failed to fetch http://gb.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/feisty/multiverse/binary-i386/Packages.gz 404 Not Found Failed to fetch http://gb.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/feisty/multiverse/source/Sources.gz 404 Not Found Failed to fetch http://gb.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/feisty-updates/main/binary-i386/Packages.gz 404 Not Found Failed to fetch http://gb.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/feisty-updates/restricted/binary-i386/Packages.gz 404 Not Found Failed to fetch http://gb.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/feisty-updates/main/source/Sources.gz 404 Not Found Failed to fetch http://gb.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/feisty-updates/restricted/source/Sources.gz 404 Not Found Failed to fetch http://www.osrts.info/~tvo/deb/dists/edgy/spring/binary-i386/Packages.bz2 Sub-process bzip2 returned an error code (2) Reading package lists... Done W: GPG error: http://packages.medibuntu.org feisty Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY 2EBC26B60C5A2783 W: GPG error: http://www.osrts.info edgy Release: The following signatures were invalid: NODATA 1 NODATA 2 W: You may want to run apt-get update to correct these problems E: Some index files failed to download, they have been ignored, or old ones used instead.

[spxrs]

If you are trying to install rpm's in Ubuntu, you can convert them to deb files. This was posted in 2006 by Strabes:
convert rpm to deb
sudo apt-get install alien
sudo alien -i /path/to/file.rpm

Here is his blog: http://strabes.wordpress.com/2006/11/17/installing-rpm-packages-in-ubuntu/

Hi, Thanks for quick response - unfortunately the apt-get for alien also fails. Here's the response (if you're still interested!): Reading package lists... Done Building dependency tree Reading state information... Done The following packages were automatically installed and are no longer required: beryl-core beryl-settings-bindings libberylsettings0 beryl-settings beryl-plugins libemeraldengine0 beryl-plugins-data libberyldecoration0 Use 'apt-get autoremove' to remove them. The following extra packages will be installed: debhelper dpkg-dev gettext intltool-debian librpm4 po-debconf rpm Suggested packages: lsb-rpm lintian dh-make debian-keyring cvs gettext-doc Recommended packages: libmail-sendmail-perl libcompress-zlib-perl The following NEW packages will be installed alien debhelper dpkg-dev gettext intltool-debian librpm4 po-debconf rpm 0 upgraded, 8 newly installed, 0 to remove and 118 not upgraded. Need to get 4020kB/4051kB of archives. After unpacking 15.0MB of additional disk space will be used. Do you want to continue [Y/n]? y WARNING: The following packages cannot be authenticated! dpkg-dev gettext intltool-debian po-debconf debhelper librpm4 rpm alien Install these packages without verification [y/N]? y Err http://gb.archive.ubuntu.com feisty/main dpkg-dev 1.13.24ubuntu6 404 Not Found Err http://gb.archive.ubuntu.com feisty/main gettext 0.16.1-1ubuntu2 404 Not Found Err http://gb.archive.ubuntu.com feisty/main po-debconf 1.0.8 404 Not Found Err http://gb.archive.ubuntu.com feisty/main debhelper 5.0.42ubuntu1 404 Not Found Err http://gb.archive.ubuntu.com feisty/main librpm4 4.4.1-14build1 404 Not Found Err http://gb.archive.ubuntu.com feisty/main rpm 4.4.1-14build1 404 Not Found Err http://gb.archive.ubuntu.com feisty/main alien 8.65 404 Not Found Failed to fetch http://gb.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/d/dpkg/dpkg-dev_1.13.24ubuntu6_all.deb 404 Not Found Failed to fetch http://gb.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/g/gettext/gettext_0.16.1-1ubuntu2_i386.deb 404 Not Found Failed to fetch http://gb.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/p/po-debconf/po-debconf_1.0.8_all.deb 404 Not Found Failed to fetch http://gb.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/d/debhelper/debhelper_5.0.42ubuntu1_all.deb 404 Not Found Failed to fetch http://gb.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/r/rpm/librpm4_4.4.1-14build1_i386.deb 404 Not Found Failed to fetch http://gb.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/r/rpm/rpm_4.4.1-14build1_i386.deb 404 Not Found Failed to fetch http://gb.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/a/alien/alien_8.65_all.deb 404 Not Found E: Unable to fetch some archives, maybe run apt-get update or try with --fix-missing?

[earthpigg]

worst case scenario, you could always compile from source.... but before we get that far, can you please elaborate for us why you want to be able to install yum and rpm packages?

there may be a simple alternative method you can use to achieve the same ends.

focus on the goal, not the method! :D

[Simian Man]

From the error messages, it really looks like your apt is not working at all. Do you have internet access?

While it's possible to use rpm/yum on Debian distors and possible to use dpkg/apt on Red Hat distros, it really isn't a good idea. If you prefer rpm/yum (I do as well), why not use Fedora or CentOS instead?

Or are you wanting to install a specific rpm package?

[spxrs]

worst case scenario, you could always compile from source.... but before we get that far, can you please elaborate for us why you want to be able to install yum and rpm packages?

there may be a simple alternative method you can use to achieve the same ends.

focus on the goal, not the method! :D

Well, in both cases they seem handy for downloading and installing linux progs. apt-get always seems to fail, and using the tar.gz file always fails for me at make stage. I'm told rpm files will kind of install themselves more or less, though I've never had an opportunity to try it myself! I'm also told yum is what I really want for this, but I think I need rpm to run yum....

[spxrs]

From the error messages, it really looks like your apt is not working at all. Do you have internet access?

While it's possible to use rpm/yum on Debian distors and possible to use dpkg/apt on Red Hat distros, it really isn't a good idea. If you prefer rpm/yum (I do as well), why not use Fedora or CentOS instead?

Or are you wanting to install a specific rpm package?

Not really a specific rpm package. I've just heard yum is the way to go to find, and successfully install a lot of useful progs. And I've always had probs installing new progs I download. most recently yum, rpm, and ntfsprog.

[drs305]

The error messages indicate the sources.list is for feisty, which is no longer supported.

If you really need the feisty repositories, you can add those from old.releases:
http://old-releases.ubuntu.com/releases/

I would recommend a clean install of a current release, but if you prefer:

For End of Life Updates:
https://help.ubuntu.com/community/EOLUpgrades

[Simian Man]

Not really a specific rpm package. I've just heard yum is the way to go to find, and successfully install a lot of useful progs. And I've always had probs installing new progs I download. most recently yum, rpm, and ntfsprog.

apt-get will be able to install way more software on Ubuntu than yum would. That is because Ubuntu creates packages and repositories that apt-get can use to install software for you. On the other hand very few Ubuntu users use yum, so there won't be much software available for it.

I personally like yum (on Fedora) better than apt, but not because it can install more software. I'd recommend fixing your apt error and getting used to how to use that (and the synaptic GUI) to install software.

[spxrs]

The error messages indicate the sources.list is for feisty, which is no longer supported.

If you really need the feisty repositories, you can add those from old.releases:
http://old-releases.ubuntu.com/releases/

I would recommend a clean install of a current release, but if you prefer:

For End of Life Updates:
https://help.ubuntu.com/community/EOLUpgrades

Yes, I am running feisty fawn. So you are recommending that I install a more up-to-date version: how about Jaunty Jackalope?

[drs305]

Yes, I am running feisty fawn. So you are recommending that I install a more up-to-date version: how about Jaunty Jackalope?

I have found Jaunty to be a very good release. It will be supported until Oct 2010. The current long term release, Hardy, will be supported until April 2011.

Because you are running Feisty, you would need to either do a clean install or commit to a long upgrade process. If desired to make the transition a bit easier, you could move your /home to a separate partition in an attempt to keep most of your configuration settings. You can also create a list of your currently installed applications so you can import them all from a list on your new installation.

There have been many improvements to Ubuntu since Feisty.

[irv]

Here is the download URL: http://www.ubuntu.com/getubuntu/download
I would first download the iso file and burn a CD. It will create a live CD. Boot with the CD and run Ubuntu from the CD first. Make sure you can get on the Internet and then do the install. This can be done by clicking on the install icon on the desktop. Just follow the prompts and if you are doing a nice clean install you can just use the whole drive and it will set it up for you. If you are running a windows OS on this computer, you might want to do a dual boot. Then you would chose the second option on the partitions part of the install.
Once you have Ubuntu 9.04 installed you can ask for help by starting a new thread for each problem you are having or just to ask questions. As you can see there are a lot of us out here ready to help.
Enjoy one of the best OS's out here, IMO.
Irv

[earthpigg]

Yes, I am running feisty fawn. So you are recommending that I install a more up-to-date version: how about Jaunty Jackalope?

that would be prudent, yes.

http://www.ubuntu.com/GetUbuntu/download


Ubuntu 9.04 Desktop (the latest version): Includes the latest enhancements and is maintained until 2010

Ubuntu 8.04 LTS Desktop: Released April 2008 and maintained until April 2011 – ideal for large deployments

if you dont want to need to upgrade till 2011, go with 8.04.

if you'd rather have more up-to-date stuff, but need to upgrade in 2010, then 9.04.

9.04 came out in the 4th month of 2009. 8.04 came out in the 4th month of 2008. and so on.


by using a version that is still officially supported, you can install things from the official ubuntu servers and never need to worry about compatibility, etc.