Child Pornography Hidden in Legitimate Website

[Sef]

From Reuters (http://www.reuters.com/article/technologyNews/idUSTRE55S3YQ20090629):


Child pornography was downloaded from a Swiss hip-hop music website....


"It's through that site, without the owner of the site knowing, that the files were implanted,"....

Why does the ingenuity of those who work on the dark side not suprise me.

It would have been nice to find out about how it was done, so this situation could be avoided by others. (Though I suspect it is happening on other sites at this time.) I know you can secure sites, but is it possible to totally avoid this from happening?

[Blood//Stain//Child]

Burn the paedophiles. That will solve all the issues.

[CharmyBee]

I've seen vulnerable SMFs get unsolicited php scripts and images injected into them for aiding the transfer of spam scam sites all operating from the attachments directory. Perhaps this is exactly what's happening.

[monsterstack]

This sort of thing is a big problem. If you want a deeper understanding of how blackhat-hacker techniques are used by child-porn rings, have a look at this article (http://wikileaks.org/wiki/An_insight_into_child_porn) on Wikileaks. It gets pretty deep into the technical details of how it all works. Unfortunately, the article is written by someone within the business, who obviously sees nothing wrong with what he's doing, and he tries to justify himself throughout. I read it with dismay, because I understand how some of the techniques discussed work, and they pretty much remove all possible hope for eliminating child porn on the internet.

I found this section the most chilling:


But how, specifically, child pornography is sold? As the operators cannot resort to door to door knocking and market their sites this way, they had to work out other ways to sell. There used to be links in forums, toplist, advertisements in newsgroups, etc. Today, the answer is SPAM. The revenue from the child porn business are divided into 40-60% for the payment processor and the bank (percentage rate will depend on how hard the material is), 20% of the operator and 20% of the marketers (in this case, spammers). Spammers use millions of email addresses of interested people - the lists of earlier payment processors they have. But hackers have also obtained huge client lists of large companies and sold the email addresses to spammers.In order to send spam trojan-infected (zombie) computers are used. But zombie computers have yet another use: it will be used in a targeted fashion to steal identities. They even use the computer of the user whose identity is stolen to conduct credible transactions such as purchase of domains, etc. But that is not everything: the installed Trojans are sometimes used as a SOCKS proxy to upload CP. The Russians have even worked out a schema to use infected computer as a network combing these infected computers (each computer would be part of a huge, redundant cluster) as a kind of huge, distributed and remote servers can be (a kind of Freenet Project, however, by using infected computers as the nodes). I want to make one thing clear: if you have an email address, there is a possibility that there is child pornography on your computer because you have received CP advertising. And if your computer is not 100% safe against Trojans, viruses and rootkits, there is the possibility that your computer is part of the vast child pornography network.

Same as for the content servers, logging is turned off on the proxy and forwarding servers, residing in Truecrypt containers. The Russians have developed very clever software for proxy servers (in addition to the possibility of SSL tunneling and IP Forwarding). This proxy accepts incoming connections from the customers which are then tunneled to the Content Server in Germany - completely anonymous and unidentifiable. The link can even be configured for encryption. Result: the server in Germany NEVER APPEARS PUBLICALLY AND STAYS completely anonymously because he never appears with its IP except to the proxy servers that are configured to send the traffic back and forth like through a tunnel - using similar technology like large enterprise VPNs. I stress that this proxy servers are installed everywhere in the world and only consume a lot of traffic, have no special demands, and above all are completely unused.

At the DNS level there also is a network of servers around the world. The DNS has many special features: the refresh times have a TTL (Time To Live) of approximately 10 minutes, the entries usually have multiple IP entries in a round robin procedure, and at each request rotates the visitor to any of the forward proxy server. But the real specials are the different zones of the DNS with extensive GeoIP databases linked to it ... Also, there are pedophiles in authorities and hosting providers, allowing the Russians server administrators access to valuable information about IP blocks that was built into the DNS database. For everyone with a little technical knowledge it is extremely important to understand the implications of this.

[handy]

Burn the paedophiles. That will solve all the issues.

So you think that treating the symptoms will cure the disease?

[Blood//Stain//Child]

So you think that treating the symptoms will cure the disease?

In what context?

[handy]

In what context?

That was the reply that your initial statement provoked.

[MaxIBoy]

Pedophiles have a disease that they are born with, just like autistic people or people with Down's syndrome. Remember, pedophile != molester.

That being said, they do have an obligation to keep their feelings under control.

[crazyfool1369]

Pedophiles have a disease that they are born with, just like autistic people or people with Down's syndrome. Remember, pedophile != molester.

That being said, they do have an obligation to keep their feelings under control.

I'm pretty new to the forums, so I'm not so sure about how appropriate a response this is, but, isn't what you just said a lot like saying that it's a person with Downs obligation to stop themselves from licking windows?

I apologize if that seems offensive, I honestly couldn't think of a better analogy.

[DeadSuperHero]

MaxIBoy, I really hadn't thought of it that way. Thank you for stimulating my psyche with a new perception on the matter!

[Paqman]

It would have been nice to find out about how it was done, so this situation could be avoided by others.

If you get ftp access to someone else's server, you can upload anything you want. IIRC regular ftp transmits the passwords as plaintext, which is pretty insecure. Could be something as simple as that.

[monsterstack]

I'm pretty new to the forums, so I'm not so sure about how appropriate a response this is, but, isn't what you just said a lot like saying that it's a person with Downs obligation to stop themselves from licking windows?

I apologize if that seems offensive, I honestly couldn't think of a better analogy.

A person with Downs cannot exercise self-control the way the rest of us can. Paedophiles may not be able to control their urges, but it is their duty not to act them out. I suspect most paedophiles are like this, which is just as it should be.

[crazyfool1369]

A person with Downs cannot exercise self-control the way the rest of us can. Paedophiles may not be able to control their urges, but it is their duty not to act them out. I suspect most paedophiles are like this, which is just as it should be.

I completely agree. I was merely trying to point out that comparing a person with Downs to a person with pedophilia wasn't exactly apt. However much I do agree that it is a condition they are born with.

Perhaps homo/bisexuality would fit a bit better, seeing as how it too is something people are born with that effects them on a sexual basis.

I can understand the fact that the comparison of the two was to make the point that it is urges they are born with. Upon more thinking, perhaps it is more apt than my comparison because it helps people to understand the fact that peoples sexual urges are, in most cases, something they are born with.

However, it is most prudent to point out that a rather large percentage of the pedophile community are pedophiles themselves because of what a pedophile did to them when they were children.

That is to say, to an extent, that pedophilia is self replicating.

[TheLions]

Burn the paedophiles. That will solve all the issues.

castration is better. They would stop jerking on CP.
Samo goes for rapist.

[cb951303]

the wikileak article was very disturbing :???:

[Screwdriver0815]

Pedophiles have a disease that they are born with, just like autistic people or people with Down's syndrome. Remember, pedophile != molester.

That being said, they do have an obligation to keep their feelings under control.

I can not believe this and I think when a pedophile says "ah I am sick so I can not stop it" is just an excuse.
It is not the same as bi- or homosexuality - it is something which is pervert and something which has to be exterminated.

Because when a pedophile says that he is sick, he could go to a doctor instead of doing perverted things to human beings which can not defend themselves.

Animals can also be bi- or homosexual but I don't know about animals which rape their children.

So: burn the pedophiles.

[zmjjmz]

How about you guys think about it this way:
If our law judged that persons under 18 years of age were capable of making good judgment regarding sexual activities (as it is in many cultures), would you still believe that child porn (which would be legal in this scenario, obviously with permission) is unethical? Would you still think that Paedophilia would be a sick, horrible condition?
Try to think about that before accusing anyone of having a horrible mental disease.

[Paqman]

How about you guys think about it this way:
If our law judged that persons under 18 years of age were capable of making good judgment regarding sexual activities (as it is in many cultures), would you still believe that child porn (which would be legal in this scenario, obviously with permission) is unethical? Would you still think that Paedophilia would be a sick, horrible condition?
Try to think about that before accusing anyone of having a horrible mental disease.

Paedophilia (by definition) is a sexual attraction to pre-pubescent people. So yes, it's always going to be an abberant sexual preference. It's a sexual attraction to a non-sexual thing.

Sexual attraction to post-pubescent people under 18 isn't technically paedophilia, although it's definitely an offence in many countries, and also a substantial moral danger zone in most societies.

[Screwdriver0815]

How about you guys think about it this way:
If our law judged that persons under 18 years of age were capable of making good judgment regarding sexual activities (as it is in many cultures), would you still believe that child porn (which would be legal in this scenario, obviously with permission) is unethical? Would you still think that Paedophilia would be a sick, horrible condition?
Try to think about that before accusing anyone of having a horrible mental disease.

I don't know where you grew up but I do not base my judgement of a normal human behaviour on a law.
When my normal human understanding, the human understanding of people around me and the Ethic says that something is not to be done, even when the law allows it, I would not do it. Its normal, isn't it?

Paedophilia is sick, horrible perverted and the worst what creatures can do. Burn them, kill them, do anything to rid of this *****.

[lisati]

IMO, neither the "born with it" nor "it's a personal choice" approaches can adequately make it on their own. Who we are is a combination of a number of things.

[Sef]

This thread closed now.