Don't you think this is crazy?

[Gucko]

I have just finished reading some parts from my AI textbook (AI a modern approach) and it's 3:00 am. I don't know but I just imagined some crazy ideas and wanted to share one of them. I don't know if this is because of being too sleepy or being full of AI info ;)

My idea is that I imagined how we deal now with second life project (from Sun). You control a virtual person in a virtual life. But imagine that Internet were invented in that virtual life, do you understand what I mean? Imagine that a virtual life has a virtual Internet, and then just start to imagine how the web technology will start to develope there. Imagine a virtual facebook that your person uses to interact with other virtual person. Or even imagine if we could add AI to these virtual people so that after a while can behave autonomously, so then see how virtual people can interact with each other using the a virtual facebook or virtual youtube or twitter. Also imagine that these people after being automonouse will develope their web autonomously.

But what's more crazier is to imagine that these virtual people invent a virtual second life for them, so that they can control other virtual-virtual people!!!

Don't you think (this is)/(I'm) crazy?

I don't know if I became crazy or too sleeeeeeepy ZzZzZzZz!

[Keithhed]

yes. i do think its crazy. :)

[gn2]

I think that current computer technology is the primordial soup from which the next lifeform will spring.
This next-gen lifeform will be inorganic and will be free to roam the universe.

[TheLions]

http://www.globalnerdy.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2009/04/xzibit-explains-virtualization.jpg

[Gucko]

TheLions (http://ubuntuforums.org/member.php?u=410289) ^^^ this is just tooooooo crazy and fun hahahahhhahahahah

[Tibuda]

http://whatisthematrix.warnerbros.com/ ?
http://www.simulation-argument.com/ ?

[burvowski]

http://www.portalprelude.com/images/news/dude-wait-what.jpg

[Tibuda]

I don't know if I became crazy or too sleeeeeeepy ZzZzZzZz!

better sleep

[Gucko]

I think this crazy post should be added to my blog also :)

http://www.rakblog.com/2009/06/dont-you-think-this-is-crazy/

[BuffaloX]

If their Youtube is better than our Youtube, I might consider using it.

[renkinjutsu]

i CANT believe you haven't seen this yet
absolutely hilarious


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rw8gE3lnpLQ


but people often get so into their virtual realities that nothing outside of it matters.. (at the time they are engaged)

[GooglePlexity]

How do you know we're not the first virtual world in your scenario?

[lovinglinux]

Or even imagine if we could add AI to these virtual people so that after a while can behave autonomously, so then see how virtual people can interact with each other using the a virtual facebook or virtual youtube or twitter. Also imagine that these people after being automonouse will develope their web autonomously.

But what's more crazier is to imagine that these virtual people invent a virtual second life for them, so that they can control other virtual-virtual people!!!

You should watch The Thirteenth Floor (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0139809/). You are gonna love it. There is also eXistenZ (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0120907/), but the first one is way much better.

[Keithhed]

how do you know you aren't a virtual person? in a virtual room, on a virtual computer browsing the virtual internet that is going to spawn a virtual internet within? lol

[burvowski]

I think, therefore, I am.

[Gucko]

When I woke up today and read my post, I was proud :)

Most of the post here are hilarious.

I think this craziness was caused by my AI textbook. This book and AI in general needs a lot of concentration.

[inspriation26]

That would be cool. Its kinda like the universe of Ghost in the Shell manga. I think facebook, myspace, and other social networking sites would be like vitrual hangouts and clubs. You could litteraly get into World of Warcraft. Man imagen the possiblities!

[billgoldberg]

I have just finished reading some parts from my AI textbook (AI a modern approach) and it's 3:00 am. I don't know but I just imagined some crazy ideas and wanted to share one of them. I don't know if this is because of being too sleepy or being full of AI info ;)

My idea is that I imagined how we deal now with second life project (from Sun). You control a virtual person in a virtual life. But imagine that Internet were invented in that virtual life, do you understand what I mean? Imagine that a virtual life has a virtual Internet, and then just start to imagine how the web technology will start to develope there. Imagine a virtual facebook that your person uses to interact with other virtual person. Or even imagine if we could add AI to these virtual people so that after a while can behave autonomously, so then see how virtual people can interact with each other using the a virtual facebook or virtual youtube or twitter. Also imagine that these people after being automonouse will develope their web autonomously.

But what's more crazier is to imagine that these virtual people invent a virtual second life for them, so that they can control other virtual-virtual people!!!

Don't you think (this is)/(I'm) crazy?

I don't know if I became crazy or too sleeeeeeepy ZzZzZzZz!

You need to watch the great classic sci-fi film "The Thirteenth Floor".

That deals with the same exact thing you are talking about.

[billgoldberg]

You should watch The Thirteenth Floor (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0139809/). You are gonna love it. There is also eXistenZ (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0120907/), but the first one is way much better.

Damn, beaten to the punch.

[forrestcupp]

Before we do this, we need to upgrade our technology so that everyone has virtual reality suits. I want to be able to walk around my town with cameras on my VR helmet that translates my actual surroundings into a virtual world in a way that other non-real things could be added in. I could be actually walking around my house or town shooting at computerized monsters, or I could be sitting on my front porch looking out at the ocean and go for a surf if I want to, even though I live in Indiana.

Only then will technology be worthy of having the kind of AI that you're talking about.


You should watch The Thirteenth Floor (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0139809/). You are gonna love it. There is also eXistenZ (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0120907/), but the first one is way much better.

It's not exactly the same, but Tron (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0084827/) was a great movie, too.

[Gucko]

I'm too sad because I discovered that someone had the same imagination before me:

http://www.simulation-argument.com/

Yeah but I think I gave the imagination an extra dimension with the addition of the internet and web :)

[mofrikaantje]

I read this article today on the website of a Belgian magazine:


Unknown internet 2: Could the net become self-aware?

* 30 April 2009 by Michael Brooks
* Magazine issue 2706. Subscribe and get 4 free issues.

Read more: Eight things you didn't know about the internet

Yes, if we play our cards right - or wrong, depending on your perspective.

In engineering terms, it is easy to see qualitative similarities between the human brain and the internet's complex network of nodes, as they both hold, process, recall and transmit information. "The internet behaves a fair bit like a mind," says Ben Goertzel, chair of the Artificial General Intelligence Research Institute, an organisation inevitably based in cyberspace. "It might already have a degree of consciousness".

Not that it will necessarily have the same kind of consciousness as humans: it is unlikely to be wondering who it is, for instance. To Francis Heylighen, who studies consciousness and artificial intelligence at the Free University of Brussels (VUB) in Belgium, consciousness is merely a system of mechanisms for making information processing more efficient by adding a level of control over which of the brain's processes get the most resources. "Adding consciousness is more a matter of fine-tuning and increasing control... than a jump to a wholly different level," Heylighen says.

How might this manifest itself? Heylighen speculates that it might turn the internet into a self-aware network that constantly strives to become better at what it does, reorganising itself and filling gaps in its own knowledge and abilities.

If it is not already semiconscious, we could do various things to help wake it up, such as requiring the net to monitor its own knowledge gaps and do something about them. It shouldn't be something to fear, says Goertzel: "The outlook for humanity is probably better in the case that an emergent, coherent and purposeful internet mind develops."

Heylighen agrees, but warns that we might find it a little disappointing. "We probably would not notice a whole lot of a difference, initially," he says.

And when might this begin? According to Heylighen, it all depends on internet fashion trends. If the effort that has gone into developing social networking sites goes into developing internet consciousness, it could happen within a decade, he says.

Source (http://www.newscientist.com/article/mg20227062.100-could-the-net-become-selfaware.html)

[CJ Master]

You're right! Well.. except... I think it would be impossible to make a computer program sentient. :\

[gn2]

You're right! Well.. except... I think it would be impossible to make a computer program sentient. :\

It wouldn't be the program that was sentient, it would be the hardware.
I see no reason why this will not happen, in fact I believe it's inevitable.

[CJ Master]

It wouldn't be the program that was sentient, it would be the hardware.
I see no reason why this will not happen, in fact I believe it's inevitable.

Sure, maybe in 50 years (Or according to Star Trek the 24th century,) but why would the HARDWARE be sentient? That's like saying that we would be sentient if our minds were empty.

[gn2]

Without a functioning brain (hardware) would you be sentient?

No, you would be brain dead and not sentient.

[CJ Master]

Without a functioning brain (hardware) would you be sentient?

No, you would be brain dead and not sentient.

The brain would be fully functional, but if there's no information in it (software) then it's useless.

[gn2]

It's definitely the hardware that's sentient.

[lisati]

It's definitely the hardware that's sentient.

I'd say that it's the hardware benefiting from suitable software or maybe firmware that would make it sentient.

[H2SO_four]

I'd say that it's the hardware benefiting from suitable software or maybe firmware that would make it sentient.

+1 agreed.

[Delever]

I have just finished reading some parts from my AI textbook (AI a modern approach) and it's 3:00 am. I don't know but I just imagined some crazy ideas and wanted to share one of them. I don't know if this is because of being too sleepy or being full of AI info ;)

My idea is that I imagined how we deal now with second life project (from Sun). You control a virtual person in a virtual life. But imagine that Internet were invented in that virtual life, do you understand what I mean? Imagine that a virtual life has a virtual Internet, and then just start to imagine how the web technology will start to develope there. Imagine a virtual facebook that your person uses to interact with other virtual person. Or even imagine if we could add AI to these virtual people so that after a while can behave autonomously, so then see how virtual people can interact with each other using the a virtual facebook or virtual youtube or twitter. Also imagine that these people after being automonouse will develope their web autonomously.

But what's more crazier is to imagine that these virtual people invent a virtual second life for them, so that they can control other virtual-virtual people!!!

Don't you think (this is)/(I'm) crazy?

I don't know if I became crazy or too sleeeeeeepy ZzZzZzZz!

Irony is, the major requirement for decent AI is ability to imagine... So you are not crazy ;)

[Gucko]

I think guys I'll do some research on this idea....who knows I might discover something new!

I'm a computer engineering student so I might do my bachelor thesis on such thing ;)

[inspriation26]

OK guys. FOR SOMETHING TO BE SENTIANT YOU NEED HARDWARE AND SOFTWARE!! one is usless without the other. Stimuli is usless with out the brain and the interpetation based on its "software". I'm not trying to be mean but dont you people think some times?

XD

[inspriation26]

I'd say that it's the hardware benefiting from suitable software or maybe firmware that would make it sentient.
aww beat me to the punch...

[CJ Master]

OK guys. FOR SOMETHING TO BE SENTIANT YOU NEED HARDWARE AND SOFTWARE!! one is usless without the other. Stimuli is usless with out the brain and the interpetation based on its "software". I'm not trying to be mean but dont you people think some times?

XD

We're not debating that. We're debating weather the sentiant part is the hard/software, not weather it needs both to be sentiant.

[gn2]

A sentient hardware brain has no need of software.
Firmware maybe, but not software.

[WatchingThePain]

You will just end up re-inventing Secondlife, the first one is boring enough as is.
About the only useful thing on Secondlife is the virtual Classrooms.