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mirons
April 28th, 2009, 09:54 AM
That's it other kde apps working fine, just can't start the setting manager of kde. Here's what shell says:


[10:42:26 andrea ~ ]$ systemsettings
systemsettings(24812) KServiceFactory::findServiceByDesktopPath: "findServiceByDesktopPath: not found"
systemsettings(24812) MainWindow::readMenu: "" Looking for children in ' "" '
systemsettings(24812) KServiceFactory::findServiceByDesktopPath: "findServiceByDesktopPath: not found"
systemsettings(24812) MainWindow::readMenu: " " Looking for children in ' "advanced" '
systemsettings(24812) KServiceFactory::findServiceByDesktopPath: "findServiceByDesktopPath: not found"
systemsettings(24812) MainWindow::readMenu: " " Looking for children in ' "advanced-user-settings" '
systemsettings(24812) MainWindow::readMenu: " " found module ' "Avvio automatico" ' "autostart.desktop"
systemsettings(24812) MainWindow::readMenu: " " filename is "autostart.desktop"
systemsettings(24812) KServiceFactory::findServiceByDesktopPath: "findServiceByDesktopPath: not found"
systemsettings(24812) MainWindow::readMenu: " " found module ' "CD Audio" ' "audiocd.desktop"
systemsettings(24812) MainWindow::readMenu: " " filename is "audiocd.desktop"
systemsettings(24812) KServiceFactory::findServiceByDesktopPath: "findServiceByDesktopPath: not found"
systemsettings(24812) MainWindow::readMenu: " " found module ' "Gestione della sessione" ' "kcmsmserver.desktop"
systemsettings(24812) MainWindow::readMenu: " " filename is "kcmsmserver.desktop"
systemsettings(24812) KServiceFactory::findServiceByDesktopPath: "findServiceByDesktopPath: not found"
systemsettings(24812) MainWindow::readMenu: " " found module ' "Macchina fotografica digitale" ' "kamera.desktop"
systemsettings(24812) MainWindow::readMenu: " " filename is "kamera.desktop"
systemsettings(24812) KServiceFactory::findServiceByDesktopPath: "findServiceByDesktopPath: not found"
systemsettings(24812) MainWindow::readMenu: " " found module ' "Portafogli di KDE" ' "kwalletconfig.desktop"
systemsettings(24812) MainWindow::readMenu: " " filename is "kwalletconfig.desktop"
systemsettings(24812) KServiceFactory::findServiceByDesktopPath: "findServiceByDesktopPath: not found"
systemsettings(24812) MainWindow::readMenu: " " found module ' "Recupero CDDB" ' "libkcddb.desktop"
systemsettings(24812) MainWindow::readMenu: " " filename is "libkcddb.desktop"
systemsettings(24812) KServiceFactory::findServiceByDesktopPath: "findServiceByDesktopPath: not found"
systemsettings(24812) MainWindow::readMenu: " " found module ' "Service Manager" ' "kcmkded.desktop"
systemsettings(24812) MainWindow::readMenu: " " filename is "kcmkded.desktop"
systemsettings(24812) KServiceFactory::findServiceByDesktopPath: "findServiceByDesktopPath: not found"
systemsettings(24812) MainWindow::readMenu: " " found module ' "Associazioni file" ' "filetypes.desktop"
systemsettings(24812) MainWindow::readMenu: " " filename is "filetypes.desktop"
systemsettings(24812) KServiceFactory::findServiceByDesktopPath: "findServiceByDesktopPath: not found"
systemsettings(24812) MainWindow::readMenu: " " found module ' "Hardware" ' "kcm_solid.desktop"
systemsettings(24812) MainWindow::readMenu: " " filename is "kcm_solid.desktop"
systemsettings(24812) KServiceFactory::findServiceByDesktopPath: "findServiceByDesktopPath: not found"
systemsettings(24812) MainWindow::readMenu: " " found module ' "Desktop Search" ' "kcm_nepomuk.desktop"
systemsettings(24812) MainWindow::readMenu: " " filename is "kcm_nepomuk.desktop"
systemsettings(24812) KServiceFactory::findServiceByDesktopPath: "findServiceByDesktopPath: not found"
systemsettings(24812) MainWindow::readMenu: " " found module ' "Dettagli del tema desktop" ' "desktopthemedetails.desktop"
systemsettings(24812) MainWindow::readMenu: " " filename is "desktopthemedetails.desktop"
systemsettings(24812) KServiceFactory::findServiceByDesktopPath: "findServiceByDesktopPath: not found"
systemsettings(24812) MainWindow::readMenu: " " found module ' "Risorse di KDE" ' "kresources.desktop"
systemsettings(24812) MainWindow::readMenu: " " filename is "kresources.desktop"
systemsettings(24812) KServiceFactory::findServiceByDesktopPath: "findServiceByDesktopPath: not found"
systemsettings(24812) KServiceFactory::findServiceByDesktopPath: "findServiceByDesktopPath: not found"
systemsettings(24812) MainWindow::readMenu: " " Looking for children in ' "system" '
systemsettings(24812) MainWindow::readMenu: " " found module ' "GRUB Editor" ' "kgrubeditor.desktop"
systemsettings(24812) MainWindow::readMenu: " " filename is "kgrubeditor.desktop"
systemsettings(24812) KServiceFactory::findServiceByDesktopPath: "findServiceByDesktopPath: not found"
systemsettings(24812) MainWindow::readMenu: " " found module ' "Gestione degli accessi" ' "kdm.desktop"
systemsettings(24812) MainWindow::readMenu: " " filename is "kdm.desktop"
systemsettings(24812) KServiceFactory::findServiceByDesktopPath: "findServiceByDesktopPath: not found"
systemsettings(24812) MainWindow::readMenu: " " found module ' "Pianificatore di operazioni" ' "kcm_cron.desktop"
systemsettings(24812) MainWindow::readMenu: " " filename is "kcm_cron.desktop"
systemsettings(24812) KServiceFactory::findServiceByDesktopPath: "findServiceByDesktopPath: not found"
systemsettings(24812) MainWindow::readMenu: " " found module ' "Gestione energetica" ' "powerdevilconfig.desktop"
systemsettings(24812) MainWindow::readMenu: " " filename is "powerdevilconfig.desktop"
systemsettings(24812) KServiceFactory::findServiceByDesktopPath: "findServiceByDesktopPath: not found"
systemsettings(24812) MainWindow::readMenu: " " found module ' "Samba" ' "kcmsambaconf.desktop"
systemsettings(24812) MainWindow::readMenu: " " filename is "kcmsambaconf.desktop"
systemsettings(24812) KServiceFactory::findServiceByDesktopPath: "findServiceByDesktopPath: not found"
systemsettings(24812) MainWindow::readMenu: " " found module ' "Printer Configuration" ' "/usr/share/applications/kde4/kcm-scpk.desktop"
systemsettings(24812) MainWindow::readMenu: " " filename is "/usr/share/applications/kde4/kcm-scpk.desktop"
systemsettings(24812) KServiceFactory::findServiceByDesktopPath: "findServiceByDesktopPath: not found"
systemsettings(24812) KServiceFactory::findServiceByDesktopPath: "findServiceByDesktopPath: not found"
systemsettings(24812) MainWindow::readMenu: " " Looking for children in ' "general" '
systemsettings(24812) KServiceFactory::findServiceByDesktopPath: "findServiceByDesktopPath: not found"
systemsettings(24812) MainWindow::readMenu: " " Looking for children in ' "computer-administration" '
systemsettings(24812) KServiceFactory::findServiceByDesktopPath: "findServiceByDesktopPath: not found"
systemsettings(24812) MainWindow::readMenu: " " Looking for children in ' "keyboard-and-mouse" '
systemsettings(24812) MainWindow::readMenu: " " found module ' "Tastiera" ' "keyboard.desktop"
systemsettings(24812) MainWindow::readMenu: " " filename is "keyboard.desktop"
systemsettings(24812) KServiceFactory::findServiceByDesktopPath: "findServiceByDesktopPath: not found"
systemsettings(24812) MainWindow::readMenu: " " found module ' "Scorciatoie globali della tastiera" ' "keys.desktop"
systemsettings(24812) MainWindow::readMenu: " " filename is "keys.desktop"
systemsettings(24812) KServiceFactory::findServiceByDesktopPath: "findServiceByDesktopPath: not found"
systemsettings(24812) MainWindow::readMenu: " " found module ' "Joystick" ' "joystick.desktop"
systemsettings(24812) MainWindow::readMenu: " " filename is "joystick.desktop"
systemsettings(24812) KServiceFactory::findServiceByDesktopPath: "findServiceByDesktopPath: not found"
systemsettings(24812) MainWindow::readMenu: " " found module ' "Scorciatoie standard della tastiera" ' "standard_actions.desktop"
systemsettings(24812) MainWindow::readMenu: " " filename is "standard_actions.desktop"
systemsettings(24812) KServiceFactory::findServiceByDesktopPath: "findServiceByDesktopPath: not found"
systemsettings(24812) MainWindow::readMenu: " " found module ' "Mouse" ' "mouse.desktop"
systemsettings(24812) MainWindow::readMenu: " " filename is "mouse.desktop"
systemsettings(24812) KServiceFactory::findServiceByDesktopPath: "findServiceByDesktopPath: not found"
systemsettings(24812) KServiceFactory::findServiceByDesktopPath: "findServiceByDesktopPath: not found"
systemsettings(24812) MainWindow::readMenu: " " Looking for children in ' "add-and-remove-software" '
systemsettings(24812) MainWindow::readMenu: " " found module ' "Software Updates" ' "kpk_update.desktop"
systemsettings(24812) MainWindow::readMenu: " " filename is "kpk_update.desktop"
systemsettings(24812) KServiceFactory::findServiceByDesktopPath: "findServiceByDesktopPath: not found"
systemsettings(24812) MainWindow::readMenu: " " found module ' "Software Management" ' "kpk_addrm.desktop"
systemsettings(24812) MainWindow::readMenu: " " filename is "kpk_addrm.desktop"
systemsettings(24812) KServiceFactory::findServiceByDesktopPath: "findServiceByDesktopPath: not found"
systemsettings(24812) MainWindow::readMenu: " " found module ' "Settings" ' "kpk_settings.desktop"
systemsettings(24812) MainWindow::readMenu: " " filename is "kpk_settings.desktop"
systemsettings(24812) KServiceFactory::findServiceByDesktopPath: "findServiceByDesktopPath: not found"
systemsettings(24812) KServiceFactory::findServiceByDesktopPath: "findServiceByDesktopPath: not found"
systemsettings(24812) MainWindow::readMenu: " " Looking for children in ' "input-actions" '
systemsettings(24812) MainWindow::readMenu: " " found module ' "Azioni di immissione" ' "khotkeys.desktop"
systemsettings(24812) MainWindow::readMenu: " " filename is "khotkeys.desktop"
systemsettings(24812) KServiceFactory::findServiceByDesktopPath: "findServiceByDesktopPath: not found"
systemsettings(24812) KServiceFactory::findServiceByDesktopPath: "findServiceByDesktopPath: not found"
systemsettings(24812) MainWindow::readMenu: " " Looking for children in ' "display" '
systemsettings(24812) MainWindow::readMenu: " " found module ' "Controllo energia" ' "energy.desktop"
systemsettings(24812) MainWindow::readMenu: " " filename is "energy.desktop"
systemsettings(24812) KServiceFactory::findServiceByDesktopPath: "findServiceByDesktopPath: not found"
systemsettings(24812) MainWindow::readMenu: " " found module ' "Dimensione e orientazione" ' "randr.desktop"
systemsettings(24812) MainWindow::readMenu: " " filename is "randr.desktop"
systemsettings(24812) KServiceFactory::findServiceByDesktopPath: "findServiceByDesktopPath: not found"
systemsettings(24812) MainWindow::readMenu: " " found module ' "Multimedia" ' "kcm_phonon.desktop"
systemsettings(24812) MainWindow::readMenu: " " filename is "kcm_phonon.desktop"
systemsettings(24812) KServiceFactory::findServiceByDesktopPath: "findServiceByDesktopPath: not found"
systemsettings(24812) MainWindow::readMenu: " " found module ' "Installatore dei caratteri" ' "fontinst.desktop"
systemsettings(24812) MainWindow::readMenu: " " filename is "fontinst.desktop"
systemsettings(24812) KServiceFactory::findServiceByDesktopPath: "findServiceByDesktopPath: not found"
systemsettings(24812) MainWindow::readMenu: " " found module ' "Data e ora" ' "clock.desktop"
systemsettings(24812) MainWindow::readMenu: " " filename is "clock.desktop"
systemsettings(24812) KServiceFactory::findServiceByDesktopPath: "findServiceByDesktopPath: not found"
systemsettings(24812) KServiceFactory::findServiceByDesktopPath: "findServiceByDesktopPath: not found"
systemsettings(24812) MainWindow::readMenu: " " Looking for children in ' "personal" '
systemsettings(24812) KServiceFactory::findServiceByDesktopPath: "findServiceByDesktopPath: not found"
systemsettings(24812) MainWindow::readMenu: " " Looking for children in ' "accessibility" '
systemsettings(24812) MainWindow::readMenu: " " found module ' "Accessibilità" ' "kcmaccess.desktop"
systemsettings(24812) MainWindow::readMenu: " " filename is "kcmaccess.desktop"
systemsettings(24812) KServiceFactory::findServiceByDesktopPath: "findServiceByDesktopPath: not found"
systemsettings(24812) KServiceFactory::findServiceByDesktopPath: "findServiceByDesktopPath: not found"
systemsettings(24812) MainWindow::readMenu: " " Looking for children in ' "about-me" '
systemsettings(24812) MainWindow::readMenu: " " found module ' "Percorsi" ' "desktoppath.desktop"
systemsettings(24812) MainWindow::readMenu: " " filename is "desktoppath.desktop"
systemsettings(24812) KServiceFactory::findServiceByDesktopPath: "findServiceByDesktopPath: not found"
systemsettings(24812) MainWindow::readMenu: " " found module ' "Password e account utente" ' "kcm_useraccount.desktop"
systemsettings(24812) MainWindow::readMenu: " " filename is "kcm_useraccount.desktop"
systemsettings(24812) KServiceFactory::findServiceByDesktopPath: "findServiceByDesktopPath: not found"
systemsettings(24812) KServiceFactory::findServiceByDesktopPath: "findServiceByDesktopPath: not found"
systemsettings(24812) MainWindow::readMenu: " " Looking for children in ' "regional-and-language" '
systemsettings(24812) MainWindow::readMenu: " " found module ' "Spell Checker" ' "spellchecking.desktop"
systemsettings(24812) MainWindow::readMenu: " " filename is "spellchecking.desktop"
systemsettings(24812) KServiceFactory::findServiceByDesktopPath: "findServiceByDesktopPath: not found"
systemsettings(24812) MainWindow::readMenu: " " found module ' "Mappatura della tastiera" ' "keyboard_layout.desktop"
systemsettings(24812) MainWindow::readMenu: " " filename is "keyboard_layout.desktop"
systemsettings(24812) KServiceFactory::findServiceByDesktopPath: "findServiceByDesktopPath: not found"
systemsettings(24812) MainWindow::readMenu: " " found module ' "Country/Region & Language" ' "language.desktop"
systemsettings(24812) MainWindow::readMenu: " " filename is "language.desktop"
systemsettings(24812) KServiceFactory::findServiceByDesktopPath: "findServiceByDesktopPath: not found"
systemsettings(24812) MainWindow::readMenu: " " found module ' "Default Applications" ' "componentchooser.desktop"
systemsettings(24812) MainWindow::readMenu: " " filename is "componentchooser.desktop"
systemsettings(24812) KServiceFactory::findServiceByDesktopPath: "findServiceByDesktopPath: not found"
systemsettings(24812) KServiceFactory::findServiceByDesktopPath: "findServiceByDesktopPath: not found"
systemsettings(24812) MainWindow::readMenu: " " Looking for children in ' "network-and-connectivity" '
systemsettings(24812) KServiceFactory::findServiceByDesktopPath: "findServiceByDesktopPath: not found"
systemsettings(24812) MainWindow::readMenu: " " Looking for children in ' "network-settings" '
systemsettings(24812) MainWindow::readMenu: " " found module ' "Preferenze sulle connessioni" ' "netpref.desktop"
systemsettings(24812) MainWindow::readMenu: " " filename is "netpref.desktop"
systemsettings(24812) KServiceFactory::findServiceByDesktopPath: "findServiceByDesktopPath: not found"
systemsettings(24812) MainWindow::readMenu: " " found module ' "Proxy" ' "proxy.desktop"
systemsettings(24812) MainWindow::readMenu: " " filename is "proxy.desktop"
systemsettings(24812) KServiceFactory::findServiceByDesktopPath: "findServiceByDesktopPath: not found"
systemsettings(24812) MainWindow::readMenu: " " found module ' "Service Discovery" ' "kcm_kdnssd.desktop"
systemsettings(24812) MainWindow::readMenu: " " filename is "kcm_kdnssd.desktop"
systemsettings(24812) KServiceFactory::findServiceByDesktopPath: "findServiceByDesktopPath: not found"
systemsettings(24812) MainWindow::readMenu: " " found module ' "Impostazioni di rete" ' "kcm_knetworkconfmodule.desktop"
systemsettings(24812) MainWindow::readMenu: " " filename is "kcm_knetworkconfmodule.desktop"
systemsettings(24812) KServiceFactory::findServiceByDesktopPath: "findServiceByDesktopPath: not found"
systemsettings(24812) KServiceFactory::findServiceByDesktopPath: "findServiceByDesktopPath: not found"
systemsettings(24812) MainWindow::readMenu: " " Looking for children in ' "sharing" '
systemsettings(24812) MainWindow::readMenu: " " found module ' "Navigazione rete locale" ' "lanbrowser.desktop"
systemsettings(24812) MainWindow::readMenu: " " filename is "lanbrowser.desktop"
systemsettings(24812) KServiceFactory::findServiceByDesktopPath: "findServiceByDesktopPath: not found"
systemsettings(24812) KServiceFactory::findServiceByDesktopPath: "findServiceByDesktopPath: not found"
systemsettings(24812) MainWindow::readMenu: " " Looking for children in ' "bluetooth" '
systemsettings(24812) KServiceFactory::findServiceByDesktopPath: "findServiceByDesktopPath: not found"
systemsettings(24812) MainWindow::readMenu: " " Looking for children in ' "look-and-feel" '
systemsettings(24812) KServiceFactory::findServiceByDesktopPath: "findServiceByDesktopPath: not found"
systemsettings(24812) MainWindow::readMenu: " " Looking for children in ' "desktop" '
systemsettings(24812) MainWindow::readMenu: " " found module ' "Effetti del desktop" ' "kwincompositing.desktop"
systemsettings(24812) MainWindow::readMenu: " " filename is "kwincompositing.desktop"
systemsettings(24812) KServiceFactory::findServiceByDesktopPath: "findServiceByDesktopPath: not found"
systemsettings(24812) MainWindow::readMenu: " " found module ' "Segnalazione avvio applicazioni" ' "kcmlaunch.desktop"
systemsettings(24812) MainWindow::readMenu: " " filename is "kcmlaunch.desktop"
systemsettings(24812) KServiceFactory::findServiceByDesktopPath: "findServiceByDesktopPath: not found"
systemsettings(24812) MainWindow::readMenu: " " found module ' "Desktop multipli" ' "desktop.desktop"
systemsettings(24812) MainWindow::readMenu: " " filename is "desktop.desktop"
systemsettings(24812) KServiceFactory::findServiceByDesktopPath: "findServiceByDesktopPath: not found"
systemsettings(24812) MainWindow::readMenu: " " found module ' "Salvaschermo" ' "screensaver.desktop"
systemsettings(24812) MainWindow::readMenu: " " filename is "screensaver.desktop"
systemsettings(24812) KServiceFactory::findServiceByDesktopPath: "findServiceByDesktopPath: not found"
systemsettings(24812) KServiceFactory::findServiceByDesktopPath: "findServiceByDesktopPath: not found"
systemsettings(24812) MainWindow::readMenu: " " Looking for children in ' "window-behaviour" '
systemsettings(24812) MainWindow::readMenu: " " found module ' "Comportamento delle finestre" ' "kwinoptions.desktop"
systemsettings(24812) MainWindow::readMenu: " " filename is "kwinoptions.desktop"
systemsettings(24812) KServiceFactory::findServiceByDesktopPath: "findServiceByDesktopPath: not found"
systemsettings(24812) MainWindow::readMenu: " " found module ' "Specifiche per la finestra" ' "kwinrules.desktop"
systemsettings(24812) MainWindow::readMenu: " " filename is "kwinrules.desktop"
systemsettings(24812) KServiceFactory::findServiceByDesktopPath: "findServiceByDesktopPath: not found"
systemsettings(24812) KServiceFactory::findServiceByDesktopPath: "findServiceByDesktopPath: not found"
systemsettings(24812) MainWindow::readMenu: " " Looking for children in ' "appearance" '
systemsettings(24812) MainWindow::readMenu: " " found module ' "Stile" ' "style.desktop"
systemsettings(24812) MainWindow::readMenu: " " filename is "style.desktop"
systemsettings(24812) KServiceFactory::findServiceByDesktopPath: "findServiceByDesktopPath: not found"
systemsettings(24812) MainWindow::readMenu: " " found module ' "Finestre" ' "kwindecoration.desktop"
systemsettings(24812) MainWindow::readMenu: " " filename is "kwindecoration.desktop"
systemsettings(24812) KServiceFactory::findServiceByDesktopPath: "findServiceByDesktopPath: not found"
systemsettings(24812) MainWindow::readMenu: " " found module ' "Schermata d'avvio" ' "ksplashthememgr.desktop"
systemsettings(24812) MainWindow::readMenu: " " filename is "ksplashthememgr.desktop"
systemsettings(24812) KServiceFactory::findServiceByDesktopPath: "findServiceByDesktopPath: not found"
systemsettings(24812) MainWindow::readMenu: " " found module ' "Tipi di carattere" ' "fonts.desktop"
systemsettings(24812) MainWindow::readMenu: " " filename is "fonts.desktop"
systemsettings(24812) KServiceFactory::findServiceByDesktopPath: "findServiceByDesktopPath: not found"
systemsettings(24812) MainWindow::readMenu: " " found module ' "Emoticons" ' "emoticons.desktop"
systemsettings(24812) MainWindow::readMenu: " " filename is "emoticons.desktop"
systemsettings(24812) KServiceFactory::findServiceByDesktopPath: "findServiceByDesktopPath: not found"
systemsettings(24812) MainWindow::readMenu: " " found module ' "Icons" ' "icons.desktop"
systemsettings(24812) MainWindow::readMenu: " " filename is "icons.desktop"
systemsettings(24812) KServiceFactory::findServiceByDesktopPath: "findServiceByDesktopPath: not found"
systemsettings(24812) MainWindow::readMenu: " " found module ' "GTK Styles and Fonts" ' "kcmgtk4.desktop"
systemsettings(24812) MainWindow::readMenu: " " filename is "kcmgtk4.desktop"
systemsettings(24812) KServiceFactory::findServiceByDesktopPath: "findServiceByDesktopPath: not found"
systemsettings(24812) MainWindow::readMenu: " " found module ' "Colori" ' "colors.desktop"
systemsettings(24812) MainWindow::readMenu: " " filename is "colors.desktop"
systemsettings(24812) KServiceFactory::findServiceByDesktopPath: "findServiceByDesktopPath: not found"
systemsettings(24812) KServiceFactory::findServiceByDesktopPath: "findServiceByDesktopPath: not found"
systemsettings(24812) MainWindow::readMenu: " " Looking for children in ' "notifications" '
systemsettings(24812) MainWindow::readMenu: " " found module ' "System Notifications" ' "kcmnotify.desktop"
systemsettings(24812) MainWindow::readMenu: " " filename is "kcmnotify.desktop"
systemsettings(24812) KServiceFactory::findServiceByDesktopPath: "findServiceByDesktopPath: not found"
systemsettings(24812) MainWindow::readMenu: " " found module ' "Campanella di sistema" ' "bell.desktop"
systemsettings(24812) MainWindow::readMenu: " " filename is "bell.desktop"
systemsettings(24812) KServiceFactory::findServiceByDesktopPath: "findServiceByDesktopPath: not found"
<unknown program name>(24811)/: Communication problem with "systemsettings" , it probably crashed.
Error message was: "org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.NoReply" : " "Message did not receive a reply (timeout by message bus)" "


Thanks for reading.

mirons
May 5th, 2009, 10:12 PM
I reset the application deleting files in
~/.kde/share/apps/systemsettings/ and
~/.kde/share/config/systemsettingsrc
then it worked. I read this is a common solution for dbus problems in kde apps.

thebigob
May 6th, 2009, 08:39 AM
Was trying to work this out for ages!

Thanks so much for this!