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Sealbhach
March 20th, 2009, 08:53 PM
In fact, if the truth be known, I suspect that Microsoft Corporation might not have been the best thing that could have happened the fledgling home computer industry. Furthermore, I believe they charge too much money for products which are often inferior to free GPL alternatives.


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marco123
March 20th, 2009, 09:14 PM
In fact, if the truth be known, I suspect that Microsoft Corporation might not have been the best thing that could have happened the fledgling home computer industry. Furthermore, I believe they charge too much money for products which are often inferior to free GPL alternatives.


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I tend to agree, but only in a very calm and measured way.:D

Sealbhach
March 20th, 2009, 09:30 PM
I tend to agree, but only in a very calm and measured way.:D

Be careful you don't say too much.:-\"


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CJ Master
March 20th, 2009, 09:38 PM
In fact, if the truth be known, I suspect that Microsoft Corporation might not have been the best thing that could have happened the fledgling home computer industry. Furthermore, I believe they charge too much money for products which are often inferior to free GPL alternatives.


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OMG Windows Basher!! I'm so sick and tired of all the windows bashers on the forums It makes me sick, SICK SICK SICK!!:mad::mad:




:lolflag:

gletob
March 20th, 2009, 09:58 PM
I have a mild distaste for Windows

I don't care.

Sand & Mercury
March 20th, 2009, 09:59 PM
Never before has an "O RLY?" been more appropriate. :lolflag:

mikewhatever
March 20th, 2009, 10:12 PM
Let's move this to recurring discussions, shall we.

So Tough
March 20th, 2009, 10:15 PM
I don't care.

But cared enough to go out of your way and make a post :D

albinootje
March 20th, 2009, 10:18 PM
In fact, if the truth be known, I suspect that Microsoft Corporation might not have been the best thing that could have happened the fledgling home computer industry.

I tend to not disagree with this :)
(Losely based on "Are you sure you don't want to cancel ?" in that funny Vigor editor).


Furthermore, I believe they charge too much money for products which are often inferior to free GPL alternatives.

Years ago I thought I understood why Apple charged so much more for their Apple computers in the past, because every old Apple machine that I came across had a SCSI hard disk inside.
Even now SCSI hard disks are much more expensive than IDE or SATA disks for the same amount of storage space.
But Apple moved away from SCSI disks, and the prices of Apple machines didn't drop that much I think :-)

regonzal
March 20th, 2009, 10:28 PM
Let's move this to recurring discussions, shall we.

Lol, I was not wanting to see another one of these threads in the cafe today =/

Eisenwinter
March 20th, 2009, 10:29 PM
i don't care.
+1.

lisati
March 20th, 2009, 10:32 PM
Didn't the original IBM PC that's included in the technological heritage of many x86-based computers in use these days run an OS designed by Microsoft?

Sealbhach
March 20th, 2009, 11:11 PM
Didn't the original IBM PC that's included in the technological heritage of many x86-based computers in use these days run an OS designed by Microsoft?


You'll find a pic of it here in this fascinating stroll through the history of GUI:

http://www.webdesignerdepot.com/2009/03/operating-system-interface-design-between-1981-2009/


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bakedbeans4life
March 20th, 2009, 11:56 PM
I don't care.

Is this not the attitude that gave Microsoft their monopoly in the first place?

Not that we should succumb to that often used "M$" acronym as Linux folk often do. But neither should you let your guard down and dismiss out of hand any just criticism of Microsoft.

Microsoft got where they are by flouting laws and by buying the people that make those laws which they couldn't flout.

This is not even a matter of speculation, it is a matter of fact. Microsoft's history is replete with examples of this behaviour.

If you use Linux, no matter which distribution, you can not afford to have an attitude of absolute apathy.

"I have a mild distaste for Windows" is an understatement, but I still have to deal with Windows (XP anyway).

One Windows user labeled me "Freetard" as an insult. Is it an insult? I fixed that persons machine and moved on.

Giant Speck
March 21st, 2009, 12:05 AM
I have a mild distaste for pork. I used to love it: ham, bacon, pork chops, hot dogs... But now... it just doesn't satisfy me anymore.

Icehuck
March 21st, 2009, 12:12 AM
never before has an "o rly?" been more appropriate. :lolflag:


yah rly.

Chemical Imbalance
March 21st, 2009, 12:14 AM
I have a mild distaste for pork. I used to love it: ham, bacon, pork chops, hot dogs... But now... it just doesn't satisfy me anymore.

egads! not liking bacon anymore...treason!:o



windows....meh--who cares. Use it or don't use it--that's pretty much it.

hostilejosh
March 21st, 2009, 12:17 AM
This is not even a matter of speculation, it is a matter of fact. Microsoft's history is replete with examples of this behaviour.

can you show me?

Icehuck
March 21st, 2009, 12:23 AM
can you show me?

Yes please show us proof of this.

Eisenwinter
March 21st, 2009, 12:50 AM
Is this not the attitude that gave Microsoft their monopoly in the first place?
He's not saying he doesn't care about Microsoft monoply/whatever.

He says that he simply doesn't care the OP has "a mild distaste for Windows", which I completely agree with.

Why should we care about it? What's the point of ranting about this crap? it has been covered a million and one times.

I will stop here, this is turning into a flamewar.

bakedbeans4life
March 21st, 2009, 12:58 AM
Yes please show us proof of this.

The fact you did not divulge previous examples that are public knowledge, Netscape being the obvious, means I think you know perfectly well what I state. Hell, not even Microsoft themselves disagree with this. Unless you beg to differ.

Just a few examples

http://www.groklaw.net/articlebasic.php?story=20071023002351958

http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/179/1012179/norway-standards-members-walk

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB122332198757908625.html

You can Google to your hearts content to find the history of Microsoft and their dealings with the darkside.

I would imagine it may be of public record in America how many Senators have taken money from Microsoft lobbyists in turn for favours.

What amazes me is tech sites all over the Internet have similar stories which Microsoft rarely deny, but those that use Microsoft could never believe or acknowledge.

Icehuck
March 21st, 2009, 01:14 AM
The fact you did not divulge previous examples that are public knowledge, Netscape being the obvious, means I think you know perfectly well what I state.

You made a statement claiming it was fact with no sources. Why should I believe anything you say? The fact that I asked for proof means I want you to show your sources so I can take your statement as creditable. It is not my responsibility to look up your sources for you.

Also you might be confusing public knowledge with publicly record. Public knowledge emplies that I can go to someone on the street and they would know what I was talking about.



What amazes me is tech sites all over the Internet have similar stories which Microsoft rarely deny, but those that use Microsoft could never believe or acknowledge.

I administer my companies infrastructure for 12-14 hours a day. The last thing I want to do is read tech sites ad nauseum for an operating system I never use. The only website of a technical nature I visit on my own time is this one, and I only visit the community cafe.

pwnst*r
March 21st, 2009, 01:15 AM
another one of these...


**yawn**

bakedbeans4life
March 21st, 2009, 01:22 AM
I guess Microsoft know their market, apathy rules the roost.

On an Ubuntu forum, if you are critical of Ubuntu it is considered constructive criticism. If you are critical of Microsoft and Windows it is considered heresy. Did I miss something?

Debian, Fedora, PCLinuxOS, Gentoo and even OpenSuse do not cater to Microsoft apologists like Ubuntu forums do. I am aware of the market Canonical hopes to aim for, it seems to many Ubuntu users Linux comes a distant second to Windows itself.

Skripka
March 21st, 2009, 01:24 AM
I guess Microsoft know their market, apathy rules the roost.

On an Ubuntu forum, if you are critical of Ubuntu it is considered constructive criticism. If you are critical of Microsoft and Windows it is considered heresy. Did I miss something?

Debian, Fedora, PCLinuxOS, Gentoo and even OpenSuse do not cater to Microsoft apologists like Ubuntu forums do. I am aware of the market Canonical hopes to aim for, it seems to many Ubuntu users Linux comes a distant second to Windows itself.

I believe this requires a facepalm picture...anyone got one handy?

Icehuck
March 21st, 2009, 01:25 AM
I believe this requires a facepalm picture...anyone got one handy?

How is this?

http://billdunlap.files.wordpress.com/2008/11/facepalm.jpg

bakedbeans4life
March 21st, 2009, 01:25 AM
You made a statement claiming it was fact with no sources. Why should I believe anything you say? The fact that I asked for proof means I want you to show you sources so I can take your statement as creditable. It is not my responsibility to look up your sources for you.

Also you might be confusing public knowledge with publicly record. Public knowledge emplies that I can go to someone on the street and they would know what I was talking about.



I administer my companies infrastructure for 12-14 hours a day. The last thing I want to do is read tech sites ad nauseum for an operating system I never use. The only website of a technical nature I visit on my own time is this one, and I only visit the community cafe.

**smiles**

Giant Speck
March 21st, 2009, 01:26 AM
I believe this requires a facepalm picture...anyone got one handy?

How about a facepalm emoticon?

http://i279.photobucket.com/albums/kk122/SpecKtacle/facepalm-1.gif

bakedbeans4life
March 21st, 2009, 01:28 AM
How about a facepalm emoticon?

http://i279.photobucket.com/albums/kk122/SpecKtacle/facepalm-1.gif

I like this one.

Chemical Imbalance
March 21st, 2009, 01:30 AM
107124

swoll1980
March 21st, 2009, 01:31 AM
I guess Microsoft know their market, apathy rules the roost.

On an Ubuntu forum, if you are critical of Ubuntu it is considered constructive criticism. If you are critical of Microsoft and Windows it is considered heresy.

Only if you accept that as the way it is. I for one think it's silly. Somewhere along the line the alpha geek decided you can criticize everything on the planet except for Windows, and all the alpha geeks minions followed suit. I would ignore it.

speedwell68
March 21st, 2009, 01:32 AM
I have a mild distaste for Microsoft products because after 3 years of using Ubuntu exclusively, I find it difficult to find my way around Windows. I'm not too bad in XP, but Vista is like Ubuntu was when I first tried it. When I first started using 'IBM Clones' back in the late '80s and early '90s. There were plenty of OS choices around...

MS-DOS
DR-DOS
PC-DOS
OS\2
Xenix
Unix
CP/M
N/DOS

The list goes on and on. Windows was little more than a graphical shell. Who remembers MS-DOS executive? My point is, that there was lots of choice. But when Windows 3.0 launched, the market liked it. It was a revolutionary change in the PC world. It was a massive success, Microsoft's market share increased massively and the rest is history. If it had been crap Microsoft would never have gained a monopoly and they would probably selling Office software for Apple Macs.

bakedbeans4life
March 21st, 2009, 01:34 AM
107124

Is that Ballmer or Mcain?

Chemical Imbalance
March 21st, 2009, 01:35 AM
Is that Ballmer or Mcain?

mccain

lol

Giant Speck
March 21st, 2009, 01:36 AM
Is that Ballmer or Mcain?

McCain. Ballmer has darker hair.

bryonak
March 21st, 2009, 01:38 AM
Yes please show us proof of this.

I find it irritating that people actually request proof for Microsoft's bad behaviour... yeah, that sounds strange/arrogant, but it's really open knowledge.

Anyone following the IT politics of the last 15 years is aware of Microsoft's EEE strategy***, their bribing of various should-be-independant entities (most recently ISO) and their competition stifling/threatening.
Feel free to google, you'll find much more than the most prominent examples like the antitrust case (where they even submitted a manipulated video), IE/MP bundling, various lock-ins, DRM/Palladium, anticompetitive artificial barriers, API withholding, Kerberos misleading, anti Linux FUD, patent claims FUD, the DR-DOS case, the Virginia Beach case, the Blue Mountain Arts case, the Steve Barkto incident, the astroturf DOJ campaign, excessive vapor marketing, the evisceration of Sypglass, ...
Every single of them a valid reason for dislike.

Note that I'm not saying Microsoft "sux"... just that they've repeatedly engaged in (morally and often borderline-illegally) bad business practices and have been convicted of some of them.
Also note that this has nothing to do with the operating system Windows, which is a very well built system (by some of the best programmers in the world) suffering from bad post-development requirements by Microsoft's leading business establishment.

Windows has it's flaws and one can dislike it (you can dislike whatever you want after all), but it has good points too.
Unlike Microsoft, you can only dislike Windows because of it's usability or the lack thereof... which I think is quite a different scale of resentment.


*** For the younger one's I'll probably have to add that this has nothing to do with Asus laptops ;)

yse
March 21st, 2009, 01:47 AM
I find it irritating that people actually request proof for Microsoft's bad behaviour... yeah, that sounds strange/arrogant, but it's really open knowledge.

Anyone following the IT politics of the last 15 years is aware of Microsoft's EEE strategy***, their bribing of various should-be-independant entities (most recently ISO) and their competition stifling/threatening.
Feel free to google, you'll find much more than the most prominent examples like the antitrust case (where they even submitted a manipulated video), IE/MP bundling, various lock-ins, DRM/Palladium, anticompetitive artificial barriers, API withholding, Kerberos misleading, anti Linux FUD, patent claims FUD, the DR-DOS case, the Virginia Beach case, the Blue Mountain Arts case, the Steve Barkto incident, the astroturf DOJ campaign, excessive vapor marketing, the evisceration of Sypglass, ...
Every single of them a valid reason for dislike.

Note that I'm not saying Microsoft "sux"... just that they've repeatedly engaged in (morally and often borderline-illegally) bad business practices and have been convicted of some of them.
Also note that this has nothing to do with the operating system Windows, which is a very well built system (by some of the best programmers in the world) suffering from bad post-development requirements by Microsoft's leading business establishment.

Windows has it's flaws and one can dislike it (you can dislike whatever you want after all), but it has good points too.
Unlike Microsoft, you can only dislike Windows because of it's usability or the lack thereof... which I think is quite a different scale of resentment.


*** For the younger one's I'll probably have to add that this has nothing to do with Asus laptops ;)

Whats the point????

You cant sleep because is making millions? If it wasnt Microsoft it was Apple or IBM... or some one else.. that bashing start to become plain stupid. You like Ubuntu? Good, try to make it better, dont point to other OS's like is their fault for everything, REMEMBER, the ball is in your side also.

Sinkingships7
March 21st, 2009, 01:51 AM
Guys! Quick! Turn this thread into something more appropriate and less likely to be closed or moved! Like... uhm... *looks around me*...

Cake!

>_>

bryonak
March 21st, 2009, 01:58 AM
Whats the point????

You cant sleep because is making millions? If it wasnt Microsoft it was Apple or IBM... or some one else.. that bashing start to become plain stupid. You like Ubuntu? Good, try to make it better, dont point to other OS's like is their fault for everything, REMEMBER, the ball is in your side also.

I think you misread my posting ;)
Who makes how many millions is not part of it (and I can sleep very well, thank you), I just tried to hint at the difference between disliking Windows and disliking Microsoft.

If it wasn't Microsoft then it would be... who? Can you show me another company with such a bad record? Not just the usual jealousy against the leading corp (which IBM had enough of before Microsoft came up), but a list of very bad things similar to that of Microsoft?

So the point is to educate. Such questions as "why should one dislike Microsoft?" or "show me a reason why microsoft is bad?" like the one I've responded to show that there is a lack of knowledge.
Is it a bad thing to fix that?


Sinkingships7: I like cake :) Good idea there.
And if the thread gets closed, so be it... though I don't see a reason for it yet.

Sinkingships7
March 21st, 2009, 02:26 AM
Sinkingships7: I like cake :) Good idea there.
And if the thread gets closed, so be it... though I don't see a reason for it yet.

'Cause it's full of mindless Microsoft bashing, and bashing those who mindlessly bash Microsoft. I think it's better to bash something that makes you happy. And chocolaty.

Hence cake. ^_^

cardinals_fan
March 21st, 2009, 02:34 AM
http://www.mylifetime.com/files/imagecache/photo_gallery_featured/files/images/h-395x298-garlic_0.jpg

Why garlic? Because it, like cake, is a far more constructive topic than the one we are discussing.

This whole topic is pointless. I have a mild distaste for every operating system. For many (Windows, Ubuntu, OS X, openSUSE, the list goes on...), I have a very strong distaste. But it doesn't matter. No matter how many different systems are pointlessly bashed, it isn't going to matter.

If you want to hold a somewhat educated debate, with decent argumentation and evidence, that's fine. It's pointless, but at least somewhat interesting. But starkly stating a bunch of opinions is just boring.

Sealbhach
March 21st, 2009, 02:37 AM
http://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/duty_calls.png


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Sealbhach
March 21st, 2009, 02:38 AM
It's pointless, but at least somewhat interesting. But starkly stating a bunch of opinions is just boring.

It's serious business.:popcorn:


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wolfen69
March 21st, 2009, 02:42 AM
i personally believe that windows is NOT for the average person. constant vigilance in fighting malware, slowdowns, defragging, worrying about what websites and software is safe is all a little too much for joe six pack to handle. that's why every computer i see being used by joe 6 pack is infested beyond repair, and basically unusable. how is it that windows is more user friendly?

sure, in the right hands, windows can be an effective tool. but in reality, how many "right hands" are there in the world? very few if you ask me. that's why my customers that use ubuntu could not be happier. all they want to do is surf the net without worry, check email, IM'ing, maybe a little gimp, or mp3's. why do we need windows for these things?

windows, it would seem, is the OS not ready for primetime. business's yes. joe 6 pack no. and btw, i'm not bashing, just telling the truth.

bryonak
March 21st, 2009, 02:42 AM
If you want to hold a somewhat educated debate, with decent argumentation and evidence, that's fine. It's pointless, but at least somewhat interesting.

I was trying to do that, but maybe I just picked the wrong thread ;)
What else to do in the Cafe than have discussions and state opinions?

Besides, you pics posters are doing a much better job of making the thread pointless than the posters before you :P


Must... resist... adding a pic... aswell...

Chemical Imbalance
March 21st, 2009, 02:46 AM
oooh shiny pictures
107132

Just to continue the...um...pointlessness

wolfen69
March 21st, 2009, 02:46 AM
I was trying to do that, but maybe I just picked the wrong thread ;)
What else to do in the Cafe than have discussions and state opinions?

Besides, you pics posters are doing a much better job of making the thread pointless than the posters before you :P


Must... resist... adding a pic... aswell...

i guess people need to make a point of how pointless something is. why can't people just not post if they don't care for it, and leave the thread to people that want to discuss issues. other people may be sick of it, but others may not be. stay away if you don't like the topic.

cardinals_fan
March 21st, 2009, 02:47 AM
i personally believe that windows is NOT for the average person. constant vigilance in fighting malware, slowdowns, defragging, worrying about what websites and software is safe is all a little too much for joe six pack to handle. that's why every computer i see being used by joe 6 pack is infested beyond repair, and basically unusable. how is it that windows is more user friendly?

sure, in the right hands, windows can be an effective tool. but in reality, how many "right hands" are there in the world? very few if you ask me. that's why my customers that use ubuntu could not be happier. all they want to do is surf the net without worry, check email, IM'ing, maybe a little gimp, or mp3's. why do we need windows for these things?

To be frank, there aren't many "right hands" for any OS. Ignorance can screw you on Linux as well, and will if it ever gets high enough desktop market share to attract serious malware attempts.

Entering passwords blindly is just so fun...

i guess people need to make a point of how pointless something is. why can't people just not post if they don't care for it, and leave the thread to people that want to discuss issues. other people may be sick of it, but others may not be. stay away if you don't like the topic.
Discussing issues is great. "I have a mild distaste for Windows" isn't an issue, it's an opinion without any evidence or logic behind it. The OP is totally entitled to that opinion, but there's really no reason for anyone else to care. Hopefully, your first post and the first part of this reply may morph into a discussion over time.

wolfen69
March 21st, 2009, 02:51 AM
To be frank, there aren't many "right hands" for any OS. Ignorance can screw you on Linux as well, and will if it ever gets high enough desktop market share to attract serious malware attempts.

Entering passwords blindly is just so fun...

Discussing issues is great. "I have a mild distaste for Windows" isn't an issue, it's an opinion without any evidence or logic behind it. The OP is totally entitled to that opinion, but there's really no reason for anyone else to care. Hopefully, your first post and the first part of this reply may morph into a discussion over time.

but at least my customers no longer have to worry about viruses, defragging, and unexplained slowdowns. not to mention the cost.

Sealbhach
March 21st, 2009, 02:52 AM
"I have a mild distaste for Windows" isn't an issue, it's an opinion without any evidence or logic behind it. The OP is totally entitled to that opinion, but there's really no reason for anyone else to care.

It was a reference to all the complaints about Windows bashing. Once you start to limit freedom of expression, life becomes very bland and dull and oppressive.

I'd rather hear what people really think than hear what people think they should be thinking.


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cardinals_fan
March 21st, 2009, 02:54 AM
but at least my customers no longer have to worry about viruses, defragging, and unexplained slowdowns. not to mention the cost.
I don't think I've ever met anyone who got a traditional, self-replicating virus. Every instance of malware I've seen has been installed with social engineering.

I'll agree with you on defragging - NTFS is a terrible file system. Fragmentation, poor performance... NTFS has got it all!

cardinals_fan
March 21st, 2009, 02:57 AM
It was a reference to all the complaints about Windows bashing. Once you start to limit freedom of expression, life becomes very bland and dull and oppressive.

I'd rather hear what people really think than hear what people think they should be thinking.

I'd rather hear people thinking, arguing, and learning. But views are such difficult things to change these days... :(

Dr Small
March 21st, 2009, 02:59 AM
I'll agree with you on defragging - NTFS is a terrible file system. Fragmentation, poor performance... NTFS has got it all!
And my Dad, using NTFS with Windows, has concluded and told me that we need to buy new hard drives to replace the old ones, because data keeps messing up, disappearing, you name it. :|

wolfen69
March 21st, 2009, 02:59 AM
I don't think I've ever met anyone who got a traditional, self-replicating virus.

then again, you probably don't have your own pc repair business. i see it all the time.

let's try to have a constructive, interesting chat here people, with no bashing.

inobe
March 21st, 2009, 03:03 AM
bashing would say they suck' or this and that...........


i think vista was a huge improvement even if i disagree with the eula.....

if vista was the only os in the market' i would certainly use it' though the thought of bending over comes to mind after agreeing to each eula i have to accept :lol:

cardinals_fan
March 21st, 2009, 03:10 AM
then again, you probably don't have your own pc repair business. i see it all the time.
Very true. But how can you be sure that they didn't install it? Or get it in a drive-by download? ISPs, routers, and webmail clients have pretty impressive filters on self-replicating viruses these days.


let's try to have a constructive, interesting chat here people, with no bashing.
It depends on how you define bashing. I see nothing wrong with stating a strong opinion, provided that it is backed up with logic and is open to debate.

inobe
March 21st, 2009, 03:13 AM
if anyone read the dang thing would automatically think "K-Y jelly"

wolfen69
March 21st, 2009, 03:14 AM
Very true. But how can you be sure that they didn't install it? Or get it in a drive-by download? ISPs, routers, and webmail clients have pretty impressive filters on self-replicating viruses these days.


i am by no means an expert on viruses, but, i've seen someone that does nothing but go to aol.com get a virus. anything is possible.

wolfen69
March 21st, 2009, 03:15 AM
if anyone read the dang thing would automatically think "K-Y jelly"

some people like that kind of thing. :o

cardinals_fan
March 21st, 2009, 03:16 AM
i am by no means an expert on viruses, but, i've seen someone that does nothing but go to aol.com get a virus. anything is possible.
Does going onto aol.com include reading email on aol.com and clicking a link?

wolfen69
March 21st, 2009, 03:17 AM
i think vista was a huge improvement even if i disagree with the eula.....


i still think xp was the best they ever came out with. not sure about win7, as i've only tried it once. wasn't overly impressed.

inobe
March 21st, 2009, 03:29 AM
i see what you mean and but' i meant for the overall windows population when security comes into play !

UAC' although many found ways to disable it' some threats are reduced.......

now xp can be locked down tight if one takes the steps into consideration' it can be almost as secure to any platform' so i agree with you.. especially when sudowin is implemented ;)

it's light and fast unlike the "DRM" ultra restrictive vista.......

bagle
March 21st, 2009, 03:32 AM
o.o windows7 still has vistas kernel!!!!11!!!!!11111:popcorn::popcorn::popcorn:: popcorn::popcorn::popcorn::popcorn::popcorn::popco rn:

pwnst*r
March 21st, 2009, 03:33 AM
http://www.frumsatire.net/wp-content/uploads/2009/02/dog_i_dunno_lol.jpg

wolfen69
March 21st, 2009, 03:35 AM
o.o windows7 still has vistas kernel!!!!11!!!!!11111:popcorn::popcorn::popcorn:: popcorn::popcorn::popcorn::popcorn::popcorn::popco rn:

but from what i understand, they have done some work on it to speed it up. it did seem a bit snappier though.

inobe
March 21st, 2009, 03:40 AM
i still think xp was the best they ever came out with. not sure about win7, as i've only tried it once. wasn't overly impressed.

sudown is probably the best for xp http://sudown.sourceforge.net/index.php?page=demo

watch the limited user video ;)

pastalavista
March 21st, 2009, 03:43 AM
...

if vista was the only os in the market' i would certainly use it' though the thought of bending over comes to mind after agreeing to each eula i have to accept :lol:

Mr. Gates would have preferred it that way. He was the extraordinary geek of the times. A geek who was financially adept.

"It's true you get what you pay for but it's only worth it if you can't get it any cheaper" ~Woody Allen

inobe
March 21st, 2009, 03:50 AM
Mr. Gates would have preferred it that way. He was the extraordinary geek of the times. A geek who was financially adept.

"It's true you get what you pay for but it's only worth it if you can't get it any cheaper" ~Woody Allen

it's not about $$$$

i paid for it so my wife could use it' however she agreed to the eula when i installed it :lol:

if mr. bill wishes to make some big bucks' it's because someone chose to use their software and agreed to their terms.......

i refuse to agree to such terms' therefore i found something to agree with !

cardinals_fan
March 21st, 2009, 03:57 AM
sudown is probably the best for xp http://sudown.sourceforge.net/index.php?page=demo

watch the limited user video ;)
I prefer suRun, but both are good.

pastalavista
March 21st, 2009, 03:59 AM
it's not about $$$$

ah, but it is to Mr Bill.. that's why you have to jump through all his hoops...

entr3p
March 21st, 2009, 04:02 AM
http://www.frumsatire.net/wp-content/uploads/2009/02/dog_i_dunno_lol.jpg

Haha. Oh and I have to agree that XP was and in my opinion still is the best thing Windows came out with. Everything else = failure.

inobe
March 21st, 2009, 04:06 AM
ah, but it is to Mr Bill.. that's why you have to jump through all his hoops...

of course :lol:

it's strategy, capitalism ..............


though i don't condone his tactics, somewhere business ethics have to come into play !

Roofdaddy
March 21st, 2009, 04:10 AM
ah, but it is to Mr Bill.. that's why you have to jump through all his hoops...



Just like the place he got all his training from....the US military .....:popcorn:

inobe
March 21st, 2009, 04:12 AM
you guys are great' i'm off to assist in the ubuntu user forums, i am certain there are folks in need of help :)

have fun all

Sealbhach
March 21st, 2009, 04:23 AM
Haha. Oh and I have to agree that XP was and in my opinion still is the best thing Windows came out with.

I use XP at work and I have to say it's a pretty good OS, it mostly gets out of the way so I can do my work.

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lykwydchykyn
March 21st, 2009, 04:45 AM
Cake!



I think you mean pie. Yes, I'm certain you do.

As for me, it's given me no small amount of displeasure to have not been able to avoid missing out on the lack of opportunity to never have failed to use products not made by people other than the Microsoft corporation.

mybunche
March 21st, 2009, 12:48 PM
Me too, but mainly how they behave as a corporation. Their software is good though. I guess with 100's of millions of users they have alot of testers they can get feedback from.