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djoe
March 18th, 2009, 11:13 PM
[not sure, which section to put this]

Has Ubuntu considered a Windows look for Linux?
www.reactos.com (http://www.reactos.com/)
(no I don't expect windows-based, just linux-based)

Heres what I imagine:
(notice that functions are combined and notice that most don't have Sub-Menus. this would only be classic mode to some people )
TableTop, means DeskTop... LookUp, means Search... File/Folder, means Documents.




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Ubuntu Updates
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Program >>>
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TableTop >>>
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File/Program History >>>
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File/Folder
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Control Center
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LookUp/Run
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Help
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SignOut/TurnOff
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[Begin Button]








Ubuntu would kick butt, if they had a Windows Like OS.

issih
March 18th, 2009, 11:48 PM
If you want to drag the top panel down to the bottom, just do it.

From there you can right click on the menu's as they are (Applications Places System) and remove them. Another right click on the panel and add the other type of main menu and you are most of the way to what you want.

Edit the menus a bit with one more right click and bingo you have the menu of your dreams.

Personally I don't think ubuntu should ship with that by default, it marks gnome out having the separated panels and the three menus, and I think being easily distinguishable is a good thing. Theres no need to copy windows just because its what people know, especially as it is pretty simple to change things if you want..

That is just my opinion though..

novafluxx
March 19th, 2009, 12:00 AM
If you want to drag the top panel down to the bottom, just do it.

From there you can right click on the menu's as they are (Applications Places System) and remove them. Another right click on the panel and add the other type of main menu and you are most of the way to what you want.

Edit the menus a bit with one more right click and bingo you have the menu of your dreams.

Personally I don't think ubuntu should ship with that by default, it marks gnome out having the separated panels and the three menus, and I think being easily distinguishable is a good thing. Theres no need to copy windows just because its what people know, especially as it is pretty simple to change things if you want..

That is just my opinion though..

I agree with you issih. I actually prefer the cleaner [IMO] look of GNOME. What may be nice is to include a theme that resembles Microsoft Windows, so users can switch to it, but only for the look & feel, but not be default.

djoe
March 19th, 2009, 12:03 AM
Meh, Ubuntu still seems to have its flaws. Like not keeping resolution settings after log out.

I'll build it with others someday, I'll get it sooo, stable and user-friendly that Microsoft will be toast.

It won't be called Ubuntu, necessarily.

And I'll alert the media on top of that.

Premium Support would require low payment and of course Free Support would be available.

blackened
March 19th, 2009, 12:12 AM
There are more than enough Windows look-alike themes floating around in the wild. The Redmond theme that resembles Windows 98 is even included on a default install.

That said, Ubuntu is not Windows and to emulate its look would be like proclaiming that we're not a legimate environment, but only a cheap ripoff of Microsoft.

djoe
March 19th, 2009, 12:24 AM
Well Windows should be OpenSource.

But, I doubt Bill Gates would want that.

So, the best bet is linux acting like Windows and having Wine available.

I don't like programs and tools being scattered everywhere, like Ubuntu is.

Lots of the stuff looks like it was copied from iMac, so whats the difference?

djoe
March 19th, 2009, 12:41 AM
Heres another idea:

This would be at the top of the screen, so ignore that its side-ways:

[Begin Menu]>Program >>>, TableTop >>>, File/Folder, Help

[Tools Menu]>Ubuntu Updates, Control Center, File/Program History >>>, LookUp/Run

[SignOut/TurnOff]

jwbrase
March 19th, 2009, 01:42 AM
There are also desktop environments and stand-alone window managers for Linux that have a more Windowsy look. A fair number of them are available on the repositories.

In any case, it's more of a configuration issue than anything else. There's alot more leeway than in Windows to set things up how you want.

djoe
March 19th, 2009, 02:40 AM
Yes, I know what some of you are saying.

If it looks like a duck and quicks like a duck, than it must be a duck.
But, you just need to make it look more like a goose, so Microsoft doesn't notice.

Where are those Windows-Like Linux's you speak of?

3Miro
March 19th, 2009, 03:17 AM
Writing a second windows as what www.reactos.com is trying to do makes no sense or whatsoever.

For the look: Gnome could be made to look like windows (or close to it), why don't you just rearrange the menus. KDE 3 was a lot like windows (by default), I am using KDE 4.2 that is soooo customizable that is almost beyond belief. At the end it doesn't matter what you make the menus like, some people are going to like them and some not. Bill Gates once said that, if the cars were developing as fast as the computers, we would all be driving hover cars (or something along those line). I say that, if windows was developing like the cars, we would have a much more customizable environment. The first thing one does in a car is adjust the seat and the mirrors, trying to make a universal desktop for everyone is like trying to fit everyone in the same car seat/mirrors setting (trust me, I cannot even get into the car with the setting that my wife uses to drive).

I find the Gnome menus easy to navigate out of the box, I can quickly get all the basic function on-line so that I can start to slowly adjust everything else (that was on my laptop). For my KDE desktop, it took me over a month to decide what I want and at the end it is a combination of Mac and Windows menus, but the way I want them right down to the last shortcut.

blackened
March 19th, 2009, 04:01 AM
Yes, I know what some of you are saying.

If it looks like a duck and quicks like a duck, than it must be a duck.
But, you just need to make it look more like a goose, so Microsoft doesn't notice.

Yeah, no. That's not what I'm saying at all. Linux really isn't Windows, and by making it look like Windows, especially out of the box, it infers that Windows really is a better OS, even though anyone with a brain realizes that that's ridiculous. It's all about perception in this case.

BLTicklemonster
March 19th, 2009, 04:15 AM
While we're at it, I used to drive a '73 VW beetle that was chopped Baja style, and that car totally rocked. I now drive a 2004 Dodge Stratus, and honestly think that they need to change the body style to the VW Baja, and put the engine in the rear because it would pwn everything else and like totally rock, you know?

jwbrase
March 19th, 2009, 04:17 AM
Yes, I know what some of you are saying.

If it looks like a duck and quicks like a duck, than it must be a duck.
But, you just need to make it look more like a goose, so Microsoft doesn't notice.

Where are those Windows-Like Linux's you speak of?

For one, which look are you trying to mimic? 9x? XP? Vista?

RoboNuggie
March 19th, 2009, 04:18 PM
I agree with those who say that the Default menu structure of Ubuntu is cleaner.. less cluttered and I don't know, more sensible for want of a better word.

The classic example in how not to do a menu option is the Windows (pre-vista) having to click "Start" in order to exit the session... and yet no eyelids are battered by this seemingly contradictory setup.

SunnyRabbiera
March 19th, 2009, 04:25 PM
For those who want the windows look use bloody windows...
Sigh

Chemical Imbalance
March 19th, 2009, 04:35 PM
You know you can change the menus layout right djoe?

For instance in GNOME, right click on your menu on the panel and delete it and then right click and choose "add to panel", then choose Main Menu.
This gives you everything in one column, like windows.

blackened
March 19th, 2009, 04:40 PM
For those who want the windows look use bloody windows...
Sigh

I had been dancing around this exact sentence, but since you got right down to it, +1.

Slim Odds
March 19th, 2009, 04:49 PM
I'm still wondering why this is in the x86 64-Bit User forum.

djoe
March 19th, 2009, 05:10 PM
I realized it said AMD 64, after I posted. Whoops.
I'm dealing with 32bit (x86).


I want a Windows2000 or XP look. And I want to re-organize the menus of course.

Windows2000 look is fine. Forget that silly 98, that was junk.

Right now, I'm working on restoring the boot manager. So, first things first.

bapoumba
March 19th, 2009, 07:06 PM
Moved to ABT.

mkvnmtr
March 19th, 2009, 07:18 PM
The wonderful thing about Ubuntu is that it allows you to do what you want to change the look to be like windows and it allows me to ignore all efforts to be like windows.

D3ath
March 19th, 2009, 07:22 PM
I can't believe that this is a topic! It's linux not windows. if you want your box to look like windows use windows. People like that don't make sense to me. We use this OS to get away from conformity and doing what we want is what makes us happy. Don't bring up some bogus idea that we need the menu to look like windows. I'd be fine without the menu. The CLI makes linux what it is. Make it look like windows. I need to throw up. Talk to you guys later!

ivanvajar
March 19th, 2009, 07:29 PM
I have been using Windows 3.1, 95, ME, many releases of98, 2000Pro, XP, learned about x00 tricks to make it look and run better. You know what? Even though I have been using Windows for years, I found GNOME much better environment. It's clean and logical. Just look at it and stop thinking about Windows. Customize your GNOME or KDE. If you want Windows start menu so bad, make it. With Linux you can do that. GUI is the last thing that really matters and the first thing that users complain about when trying Linux. Is it a matter of GUI's quality or user's habit?

D3ath
March 19th, 2009, 07:36 PM
I have been using Windows 3.1, 95, ME, many releases of98, 2000Pro, XP, learned about x00 tricks to make it look and run better. You know what? Even though I have been using Windows for years, I found GNOME much better environment. It's clean and logical. Just look at it and stop thinking about Windows. Customize your GNOME or KDE. If you want Windows start menu so bad, make it. With Linux you can do that. GUI is the last thing that really matters and the first thing that users complain about when trying Linux. Is it a matter of GUI's quality or user's habit?
Totally agree!

BLTicklemonster
March 20th, 2009, 03:13 AM
System>Preferences>Main Menu.

Get in there and you can customize that baby to be as close to the Redmond layout as you like it. I'd do this first though: http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=6922460&postcount=16 because it will put everything under one icon.

Paqman
March 20th, 2009, 03:22 AM
I can't believe that this is a topic!

I can. People ask for this a lot. Just look at all the Windows and OS X style themes at gnome-look.org (http://www.gnome-look.org/)

As for the OP: i'd say that the Ubuntu team very deliberately wanted Ubuntu to look different from Windows. That's why they went for such an unusual choice of default colours instead of yet another blue, grey or dark theme.

perpetualcacophany
March 20th, 2009, 03:34 AM
I agree with most here. It is a good thing that Ubuntu has a different look than Windows. It doesn't need to be the free version of Windows, that wouldn't help it at all. It's easy enough to make it look that way if you prefer it, so they should just leave it. I actually prefer the way that Ubuntu's menus are organized when compared to Windows.

Paqman
March 20th, 2009, 03:43 AM
I actually prefer the way that Ubuntu's menus are organized when compared to Windows.

Absolutely. The Windows menus are a mess. Why the hell does software get listed under the name of the manufacturer? How is that user friendly?

D3ath
March 20th, 2009, 03:49 AM
I can. People ask for this a lot. Just look at all the Windows and OS X style themes at gnome-look.org (http://www.gnome-look.org/)

As for the OP: i'd say that the Ubuntu team very deliberately wanted Ubuntu to look different from Windows. That's why they went for such an unusual choice of default colours instead of yet another blue, grey or dark theme.
I totally understand what your saying but if people want windows use windows. Don't try to make something ment to be different turn into something the same that everyone is used to. But linux is about choice and thats why i love it. to each there own!

lazyart
March 20th, 2009, 03:53 AM
Geez, just use Xandros if you want a Linux distro that looks like Windows.

ReactOS is an attempt to make a free OS that is compatible with Windows. I've always thought that was silly since it would be obsolete before it was finished, but if that's what they want to do, so be it.

Ubuntu is in no way trying to be compatible with Windows.

Like others have said, get a theme and be done with it. Or, look at Xandros. Once you realize that Linux is not Windows you'll probably try to stop dressing it up that way. But if that's what you want to do, then hey, it's your computer.

Paqman
March 20th, 2009, 04:20 AM
I totally understand what your saying but if people want windows use windows.

Do they actually want Windows, or do they just want something familiar? A lot of people find change stressful. If having a familiar-looking desktop lowers their stress levels during the transition then i'm all for it. You have to let people move at their own comfortable pace of change.

Of course, some folks just lack imagination. Which is fine too, I guess.

djoe
March 20th, 2009, 05:06 PM
Ok, how is Ubuntu different?

Fedora and others are using almost the same GUI.

Xandros-KDE does somewhat look like Windows, not free though. Xandros Pics (http://www.thecodingstudio.com/opensource/linux/screenshots/index.php?linux_distribution_sm=Xandros%20Desktop% 204)

I'll just customize Ubuntu to Windows2000.

http://opensuse.org
http://opensolaris.org (http://opensuse.org)
http://fedoraproject.org (http://opensuse.org)

D3ath
March 20th, 2009, 05:15 PM
Ok, how is Ubuntu different?

Fedora and others are using almost the same GUI.

Xandros-KDE looks nothing like Windows.

I'll just customize Ubuntu to Windows2000.
Ok I agree with that totally but I don't want the disto to has default windows themes. I don't mind people coming to ubuntu and changing to something more familiar. I think some people should understand that linux is the community and for the most part the community doesn't want it to do anything like windows. The thing that gets me are the people that complain about linux not working like windows are the same ones complaining about linux looking like windows thats all.

pbpersson
March 20th, 2009, 05:20 PM
Yes, I know what some of you are saying.

If it looks like a duck and quicks like a duck, than it must be a duck.
But, you just need to make it look more like a goose, so Microsoft doesn't notice.

Where are those Windows-Like Linux's you speak of?

http://www.gnome-look.org/content/show.php/Linux+Broken+Vista?content=99593

djoe
March 20th, 2009, 05:32 PM
Sorry, my post above was edited.


Quote:

Ok, how is Ubuntu different?

Fedora and others are using almost the same GUI.

Xandros-KDE does somewhat look like Windows, not free though. Xandros Pics (http://www.thecodingstudio.com/opensource/linux/screenshots/index.php?linux_distribution_sm=Xandros%20Desktop% 204)

I'll just customize Ubuntu to Windows2000.

http://opensuse.org
http://opensolaris.org (http://opensuse.org)
http://fedoraproject.org (http://opensuse.org)

djoe
March 20th, 2009, 05:41 PM
LOL,

ClickHere (http://www.gnome-look.org/content/preview.php?preview=1&id=98543&file1=98543-1.png&file2=&file3=&name=Ubuntu+XPerience)

fluxlizard
March 20th, 2009, 05:44 PM
there are other menus you can grab from the repos besides the one in default. One in particular (can't recall the name) looks similar to windows. I tried it for a while, but found it far less hassle to find things, and less clicks and less time to just use the default menu system.
Beyond that, like others have said, just customize your panels how you like- remove the top one for example.

djoe
March 20th, 2009, 05:49 PM
Sweet, I'm Bookmarking It.

Therion
March 20th, 2009, 05:52 PM
In my experience those who are ready to switch away from Windows are ready to switch away from Windows regardless.

Linux is not a free version of Windows and trying to make it look like one in order to convince someone Linux is something it's not hearkens back to that old adage about not trying to teach a pig to sing: it wastes your time and it annoys the pig.

djoe
March 20th, 2009, 06:01 PM
I'm not saying I hate Ubuntu's Format. Just the GUI part or setup.

What I like about Windows is that apps are in a Sub-Folder. Tools in another Sub-Folder.

I like things clean and organized.



------------------------------------
Ubuntu Updates
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Apps >>>
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TableTop >>>
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File/Program History >>>
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File/Folder
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Control Center
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LookUp/Run
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Help
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SignOut/TurnOff
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[Begin Button]

Ms_Angel_D
March 20th, 2009, 06:12 PM
Has Ubuntu considered a Windows look for Linux?


Ubuntu would kick butt, if they had a Windows Like OS.

Forget that I spent Far too much time and Money(See Stardock (http://www.stardock.com)) on windows trying to customize my computer, so it didn't carry the default windows look.


I'm not saying I hate Ubuntu's Format. Just the GUI part or setup.

What I like about Windows is that apps are in a Sub-Folder. Tools in another Sub-Folder.

I like things clean and organized.


If you want a windows looking menu use Gnomenu (https://launchpad.net/gnomenu), there is a even a vista theme for it.

I personally am not a big fan of the original menu so I use Ubuntu System Panel (http://code.google.com/p/ubuntu-system-panel/), I like the plugins available for it and the customization features.

But for both my kids and My husband the default menu is fine for them.

lykwydchykyn
March 20th, 2009, 07:06 PM
You mean like this?

http://www.linux-xp.com/

Mulenmar
March 20th, 2009, 11:23 PM
If you want a Windows-look-simular experience, you can't beat KDE (or Gnome with the Redmond theme, too.)


Or, if you'd like a smaller version of Ubuntu and feel up to a challenge later, try IceWM --one of its many themes is an XP-like look. There are how-tos on the net.

dwasifar
March 20th, 2009, 11:30 PM
Ugh.

Trying to make Linux look like Windows is kind of like trying to make a Porsche look like a Mustang. I suppose it could be done, but why would you want to?

If you want a Mustang, buy a Mustang; and if you want Windows, then buy Windows.

theozzlives
March 20th, 2009, 11:39 PM
[not sure, which section to put this]

Has Ubuntu considered a Windows look for Linux?
www.reactos.com (http://www.reactos.com/)
(no I don't expect windows-based, just linux-based)

Heres what I imagine:
(notice that functions are combined and notice that most don't have Sub-Menus. this would only be classic mode to some people )
TableTop, means DeskTop... LookUp, means Search... File/Folder, means Documents.




------------------------------------
Ubuntu Updates
------------------------------------
Program >>>
------------------------------------
TableTop >>>
------------------------------------
File/Program History >>>
------------------------------------
File/Folder
------------------------------------
Control Center
------------------------------------
LookUp/Run
------------------------------------
Help
------------------------------------
SignOut/TurnOff
------------------------------------
[Begin Button]








Ubuntu would kick butt, if they had a Windows Like OS.

You mean like this?

jamesrfla
March 21st, 2009, 12:21 AM
You mean like this?

http://www.linux-xp.com/

Only problem with it is it looks like you have to pay for it. Ubuntu or Linux is supposed to be different than Windows. Some times the reason why people switch from XP to Linux is because they hate the feel (or look) of it. Look into KDE. It sorta has the Xp feel.

Helios1276
March 21st, 2009, 12:26 AM
I hate how Windows looks, not because it is 'windoze' or any of that nonsense.Simply because it feels sterile and unwelcoming..kinda like the trained 'hello , how are you sir/madam' from sales/tech assistance.It's bland, generic and aimed at everyone, much like pop music. *steps off soapbox*

mlentink
March 21st, 2009, 12:40 AM
yawn
.
..
very, very big yawn
...
....
very, very VERY big yawn

dude, if you want linux to be windows, go buy windows.

Make a choice

lisati
March 21st, 2009, 12:44 AM
If you want a Windows-look-simular experience, you can't beat KDE (or Gnome with the Redmond theme, too.)


Or, if you'd like a smaller version of Ubuntu and feel up to a challenge later, try IceWM --one of its many themes is an XP-like look. There are how-tos on the net.

Example of an XP look: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=821146&highlight=change+desktop+theme

presence1960
March 21st, 2009, 01:00 AM
I'm not saying I hate Ubuntu's Format. Just the GUI part or setup.

What I like about Windows is that apps are in a Sub-Folder. Tools in another Sub-Folder.

I like things clean and organized.



------------------------------------
Ubuntu Updates
------------------------------------
Apps >>>
------------------------------------
TableTop >>>
------------------------------------
File/Program History >>>
------------------------------------
File/Folder
------------------------------------
Control Center
------------------------------------
LookUp/Run
------------------------------------
Help
------------------------------------
SignOut/TurnOff
------------------------------------
[Begin Button]

It is what it is...if not satisfied there are many other choices to choose from. But remember this : no matter which option you choose there will be flaws and good things. Nothing is perfect. BTW you seem like the kind of person who sees their glass as half empty when it is really half full.

anewguy
March 21st, 2009, 01:17 AM
I almost hate to say anything here, but here goes:

There is a point to what the user is saying. Don't get me wrong - I love Ubuntu. But here's the kicker - if we get away from the "geeky" side and instead look at what Ubuntu has been trying to do - give a true alternative to Windows desktop, why not have an option during installation asking if you want a Windows look and feel? I know, I know, Ubuntu isn't Windows and why would you want to "corrupt" it like that? Simple - Linux, and in particular Ubuntu, has been getting a LOT of press in the last 1 to 2 years. The result is ordinary Windows users looking at Ubuntu as a way to free themselves from Windows. Most of these ordinary users just know "I turn it on, I click this and it checks my mail, I click this I'm on the internet, etc..". We all know the same functionality is there - it's the appearance that confuses a lot of these convert want-to-be's. So why not? It doesn't hurt a darn thing, it doesn't "corrupt" Ubuntu or Linux. "Why would you want THAT?" is a common theme here with a very simple answer - give it a similar look and feel (as an option) and get more users STAYING with Ububtu instead of trying it, not seeing anything that looks even vaguely familiar, and dumping it to go back to Windows.

No one is saying "force Ubuntu to look like Windows". We're saying make it an option at installation to give it a Windows look and feel so people feel a little more at "home" and not quite so intimidated when they try Ubuntu.

It's a hard pill for some to swollow, but remember that a push for a true desktop replacement OS means you are going to get a LOT of non-technical people. People who don't know what such things as a kernel is and have no interest to know. They just want to use their computer. This is a large perceived difference when a Windows user tries Ubuntu or Linux out. So why not give them the option of a more familiar look and feel but with a far more robust (and free) operating system?

Just my 2 cents worth. Please no flaming - we're all just expressing opinions here.

dave :)

presence1960
March 21st, 2009, 01:37 AM
I almost hate to say anything here, but here goes:

There is a point to what the user is saying. Don't get me wrong - I love Ubuntu. But here's the kicker - if we get away from the "geeky" side and instead look at what Ubuntu has been trying to do - give a true alternative to Windows desktop, why not have an option during installation asking if you want a Windows look and feel? I know, I know, Ubuntu isn't Windows and why would you want to "corrupt" it like that? Simple - Linux, and in particular Ubuntu, has been getting a LOT of press in the last 1 to 2 years. The result is ordinary Windows users looking at Ubuntu as a way to free themselves from Windows. Most of these ordinary users just know "I turn it on, I click this and it checks my mail, I click this I'm on the internet, etc..". We all know the same functionality is there - it's the appearance that confuses a lot of these convert want-to-be's. So why not? It doesn't hurt a darn thing, it doesn't "corrupt" Ubuntu or Linux. "Why would you want THAT?" is a common theme here with a very simple answer - give it a similar look and feel (as an option) and get more users STAYING with Ububtu instead of trying it, not seeing anything that looks even vaguely familiar, and dumping it to go back to Windows.

No one is saying "force Ubuntu to look like Windows". We're saying make it an option at installation to give it a Windows look and feel so people feel a little more at "home" and not quite so intimidated when they try Ubuntu.

It's a hard pill for some to swollow, but remember that a push for a true desktop replacement OS means you are going to get a LOT of non-technical people. People who don't know what such things as a kernel is and have no interest to know. They just want to use their computer. This is a large perceived difference when a Windows user tries Ubuntu or Linux out. So why not give them the option of a more familiar look and feel but with a far more robust (and free) operating system?

Just my 2 cents worth. Please no flaming - we're all just expressing opinions here.

dave :)

There are plenty of Windows-like themes if someone wishes to use them. As far as putting them as an option on the install I think that is making things too simplified. I have only been using Linux since August. I hated the default theme on Ubuntu. This forced me to look for alternatives and ways to make what I found work. If we make everything super easy we retard the learning of the new Linux user. Linux is not Windows. We all must learn new tricks, some faster than others. If we make it so simple, so generic like Windows then it might as well be Windows. Of course this is only my opinion so thank God I am not in charge! Learning how to do new things is a good thing. No pain No gain!

djoe
March 21st, 2009, 03:00 AM
Agree, the only way for Ubuntu to bite Microsoft's Market Share is to give users a Windows Look Option.

Than when the user feel's brave enough, maybe they will change the look.

If Ubuntu won't build it, I will.
I hope in the future to work with the community to bite Microsoft Shares!

lykwydchykyn
March 21st, 2009, 03:51 AM
Only problem with it is it looks like you have to pay for it.

No, that is not, by a longshot, the ONLY problem with it. :-)
It's a pretty dodgy thing if you poke around on their site some.

I just wanted to point out that somebody was doing what the OP was talking about. I wouldn't recommend anyone spend money on that product, and it has nothing to do with them emulating Windows.

lykwydchykyn
March 21st, 2009, 03:57 AM
If Ubuntu won't build it, I will.
I hope in the future to work with the community to bite Microsoft Shares!

If that's the case, I suggest you get started. I can't speak for Mark Shuttleworth, but I'm 99% sure that the Ubuntu developers have no interest in emulating the Windows look and feel.

I don't personally think it's a good idea, but kudos to you for following through on your convictions. Maybe you're right about it, who knows?

rburkartjo
March 21st, 2009, 02:20 PM
hey this is linux if you were a former windows user and you like the windows interface cool. here is a link to make ubuntu look like vista.

http://www.ubuntugeek.com/howto-make-ubuntu-look-like-windows-vista.html

ivanvajar
March 21st, 2009, 02:34 PM
I talk about Linux to people who know only about Windows and when I show them Ubuntu with GNOME or KDE, they find it better on a very first sight. How many people used Linux 10 years ago? Ubuntu made the difference not by making compromises, but by being all that Linux is. Linux is not the alternative. Linux is the way that software industry should have followed since 90's.

dwasifar
March 21st, 2009, 03:07 PM
Here's another reason not to make Ubuntu (or any other Linux) look like Windows.

If you make Linux LOOK exactly like Windows, then the people you are doing it to attract will expect it to ACT exactly like Windows. When it doesn't, they will regard that as a defect, not a legitimate difference, because you will have led them to think that Linux is intended to be a copy of Windows.

rasmus91
March 21st, 2009, 03:12 PM
Ubuntu would kick butt, if they had a Windows Like OS.

I must say i disagree... I love the gnome look, if you want something that looks a bit like Windows get Kubuntu. Thats more like the startbutton thing...

(not saying KDE is Windows. KDE is sweet)

mikewhatever
March 21st, 2009, 04:03 PM
IMO, the idea is grotesquely ridiculous and would turn to be a disaster for Ubuntu. There are Linux distros that tried, but not many can remember their names, cause that's how popular they are.
Ubuntu (and others) is great precisely because it's not Windows, doesn't act like or look like Windows.

aysiu
March 21st, 2009, 04:15 PM
Yeah, we all know how successful Linspire was...

... and how unsuccessful Mac OS X is.

Creating an alternative that looks and feels like Windows but doesn't act like Windows and isn't Windows-binary-compatible only tricks users and lets them down even further when their expectations of a drop-in replacement get disappointed.

It's better to let them know right away, "This is something different. You have to get used to the fact this isn't Windows."

It has nothing to do with "geekiness" and everything to do with realistically managing expectations.

linuxisevolution
March 21st, 2009, 04:20 PM
LOL,

ClickHere (http://www.gnome-look.org/content/preview.php?preview=1&id=98543&file1=98543-1.png&file2=&file3=&name=Ubuntu+XPerience)

I use that login :)

wolfen69
March 21st, 2009, 05:43 PM
Ubuntu would kick butt, if they had a Windows Like OS.

say it ain't so. :rolleyes:

TalioGladius
March 21st, 2009, 06:58 PM
Meh, Ubuntu still seems to have its flaws. Like not keeping resolution settings after log out.

I'll build it with others someday, I'll get it sooo, stable and user-friendly that Microsoft will be toast.

It won't be called Ubuntu, necessarily.

And I'll alert the media on top of that.

Premium Support would require low payment and of course Free Support would be available.huh? You realize you just have to save your xorg settings and your resolution will stick after logging out, don't you?

dragos240
March 21st, 2009, 07:05 PM
I think that the staff thought of it, and discarded it very quickly, we want to be original, not stealing ideas from people lower than us (bill)

MasterNetra
March 21st, 2009, 07:12 PM
Well Windows should be OpenSource.

But, I doubt Bill Gates would want that.

So, the best bet is linux acting like Windows and having Wine available.

I don't like programs and tools being scattered everywhere, like Ubuntu is.

Lots of the stuff looks like it was copied from iMac, so whats the difference?

Last i heard Bill Gates no longer the CEO of Microsoft I think he retired or something. Steve Ballmer has been running MS for a while now.

LasherHN
March 21st, 2009, 07:13 PM
The day ubuntu tries to even look like windows, is the day I'll stop using it.
I like the gnome desktop it's really usable and I feel things are where they are supposed to be.

djoe
March 21st, 2009, 07:22 PM
The Windows/Mac Look On Ubuntu and other Gnomes

Click Here (http://www.postimage.org/Pq2hk5yA-627d4e2ebb60606cb6db58a6f5443334.bmp)

(may take time to load)

This is just a concept, because this was made up from ScreenShots.

BGFG
March 21st, 2009, 08:40 PM
What I think of making Ubuntu or any Linux Distro look like windows, would get me cautioned. We can already do everything and then some with our existing DE's and WM's. What is so important about blue and grey ? or glass ? :P

adamlau
March 21st, 2009, 08:42 PM
Xfce can me made to look very, very close to Windows XP with visual effects disabled.

pt123
March 21st, 2009, 10:03 PM
I hope they never do. Windows is ugly, overcrowded and where Applications defecate any where they choose.

mamamia88
March 21st, 2009, 10:06 PM
the beauty of linux is you can have it exactly how you want it sure you can mod it if you like windows so much

Ozor Mox
March 21st, 2009, 10:09 PM
No, Ubuntu should not be made to look or act like Windows because Ubuntu (and Linux) is not Windows.

And the way Windows installs applications is yuck! They get scattered all over the place (C:\, Program Files, My Documents, the registry) and don't fully uninstall. Ubuntu's (well, Debian's) apt is significantly better in my opinion.

lykwydchykyn
March 22nd, 2009, 05:33 AM
The Windows/Mac Look On Ubuntu and other Gnomes

Click Here (http://www.postimage.org/Pq2hk5yA-627d4e2ebb60606cb6db58a6f5443334.bmp)

(may take time to load)

This is just a concept, because this was made up from ScreenShots.

I don't get it. What part of the desktop is that?

hessiess
March 22nd, 2009, 09:48 AM
I switched to Linux because the Windows user experience is, quite frankly, crap. Complete lack of organisation, vertically imposable to customise, GUI wastes far to much screen space.

James_Lochhead
March 22nd, 2009, 09:57 AM
Ubuntu would kick butt, if they had a Windows Like OS.

What makes you think the Windows user interface is better?

IMO, GNOME is far better, it just takes a little getting used to and if you have time some customising.

What is peoples obsession with having Linux look like Windows or Mac? Linux should look like Linux.

mlentink
March 22nd, 2009, 02:34 PM
What is peoples obsession with having Linux look like Windows or Mac? Linux should look like Linux.

Ehh. Personally I think linux should look the way I want it to look. Which for me it does. If you want to move your panels around and rearrange the menu structure, be my guest, it's not that hard. If you want to use the standard Ubuntu theme and setup, fine with me. If you want your Ubuntu to look like windows, then do so. I don't.

Welcome to the free world.

djoe
March 22nd, 2009, 08:49 PM
Yes, but by default it should look user friendly.

Thats why I created a Windows/Mac Concept.

Than the user can choose to customize.

and it seems to me that some of you mis-understand what I'm saying or haven't carefully read all my posts.

When you create an OS, you can't just think about the Geeks, but the beginners as well.

This shows how all the menus would be setup, it may have confused you that all of them where showing. I'm just showing you the button portion, not the full bar:
http://www.postimage.org/image.php?v=Pq2hk5yA

aysiu
March 22nd, 2009, 08:52 PM
and it seems to me that some of you mis-understand what I'm saying or haven't carefully read all my posts. It seems to me you've completely skipped over reading my post.

abyssius
March 22nd, 2009, 09:00 PM
I tried the ReactOS live CD out of morbid curiosity. It wouldn't boot and crashed the graphics cards on two of my computers - one with AMD64 + Nvidia, another with Pentium4 and ATI. Maybe, they're trying too hard to re-create the Windows experience?

joey-elijah
March 22nd, 2009, 09:01 PM
Yes, but by default it should look user friendly.

Thats why I created a Windows/Mac Concept.

Than the user can choose to customize.

and it seems to me that some of you mis-understand what I'm saying or haven't carefully read all my posts.

When you create an OS, you can't just think about the Geeks, but the beginners as well.


But it is user friendly. Gnome in particular is all about simplicity!

As far as i'm aware Gnome delveopers don't sit down and come up with a mock up "for geeks" - they have their own usability guidelines. Why not talk to someone who develops for gnome with your gripes? They'll be more than happy to put you straight about your claim that they make a UI "for geeks".

If you want it to look like Windows either use one of the hundreds of Window's themes on gnome-look or just use windows!

As many have stated before Linux (and Ubuntu) are not Windows, they don't want to look like Windows and nor should they!

There's a reason why Linux is a superior OS to windows and it's more than just UI.

abyssius
March 22nd, 2009, 09:10 PM
There's a reason why Linux is a superior OS to windows and it's more than just UI.

I second this 100%. In fact, the UI is a trivial part of the equation since as you point out it is very simple to 'customize' the UI to look whichever way you want. So many people seem to obsess on what their desktop looks like that I sometimes wonder if they use their computers for anything else.

cardinals_fan
March 22nd, 2009, 09:32 PM
Yes, but by default it should look user friendly.

Thats why I created a Windows/Mac Concept.

Than the user can choose to customize.
Who decides what is "user friendly"? You?


When you create an OS, you can't just think about the Geeks, but the beginners as well.

Do all "beginners" have the same desires? How do you know?

K.Mandla
March 22nd, 2009, 11:14 PM
Why not just theme Linux to look like Windows, rerelease it on your own, and kick butt?

yabbadabbadont
March 22nd, 2009, 11:48 PM
Why not just theme Linux to look like Windows, rerelease it on your own, and kick butt?

I thought that the last company that did that went bankrupt?

Lindows, wasn't it?

aysiu
March 23rd, 2009, 12:01 AM
I thought that the last company that did that went bankrupt?

Lindows, wasn't it?
That's precisely K.Mandla's point, I think.

It's also my point.

K.Mandla
March 23rd, 2009, 12:01 AM
I thought that the last company that did that went bankrupt?

Lindows, wasn't it?
Yup. Moral of the story: Don't mimic Windows. :mrgreen:

yabbadabbadont
March 23rd, 2009, 12:09 AM
You could probably get away with it as long as you did it for free and didn't make outrageous claims about interoperability... ;)

linuxisevolution
March 23rd, 2009, 12:18 AM
I thought that the last company that did that went bankrupt?

Lindows, wasn't it?

Cutting checks, cutting jobs, crap os, and more advertising...

Microsoft is going downhill, and it won't be long before people start to notice.

Jimmynemo2
March 23rd, 2009, 12:24 AM
Agreed with the idea:

I love that ubuntu CAN be made to look very much like windows.

I love that I DONT HAVE TO, and that its NOT the default.

That way people who have an addiction to blue can be happy, and I can make my menu's anything I want.

djoe
March 23rd, 2009, 03:28 AM
Microsoft has also tried to sue OpenSource before, so I'm quite aware of the legalities involved.

That is why I created the Windows/Mac Theme or you can call it the RedMond/Silicon Theme.

Lindows was sued because the 'spelling' was too close to calling it Windows.

The legal system has recognized that OpenSource is a creative environment and should not be bullied by money makers like Microsoft and Apple.

Although Apple appears to be more concerned about Hardware sales.

cardinals_fan
March 23rd, 2009, 03:29 AM
Microsoft has also tried to sue OpenSource before, so I'm quite aware of the legalities involved.

That is why I created the Windows/Mac Theme or you can call it the RedMond/Silicon Theme.

Lindows was sued because the 'spelling' was too close to calling it Windows.

The legal system has recognized that OpenSource is a creative environment and should not be bullied by money makers like Microsoft and Apple.

Although Apple appears to be more concerned about Hardware sales.
Lindows was never creative, just a cheap marketing stunt and a poor product.

djoe
March 23rd, 2009, 03:36 AM
Well I didn't say that Lindows was great.

I was talking about Linux as a whole.

I think Microsoft tried suing all the Linux distros, one time and failed.

Mr. Gates just wants life to be closed source, which is un-fair to people that have talent and want to be creative.

Redache
March 23rd, 2009, 03:48 AM
Well I didn't say that Lindows was great.

I was talking about Linux as a whole.

I think Microsoft tried suing all the Linux distros, one time and failed.

The problem you'll face is that yes whilst most users are point and click and if you change even a tiny portion of the GUI structure they'll get lost because the icon they normally click on that exact part of the screen is no longer there, Linux was created as an Alternative to Minix.

It's not a Windows Clone, it wasn't even started as an attempt to overtake Windows.

Most Linux Users use Linux because they want something DIFFERENT to Windows or Mac OS X. You may want to make Ubuntu look like Windows Vista, but a small amount of Ubuntu users will want to follow you. Gnome is as close to perfection for me as it is perfectly organized and logical, whilst I also admire KDE for it's functionality I always find myself dragged back to Gnome, Gnome feels like Home to me, regardless of the Linux Distro.

The only reason I keep Windows around is that I play games when I'm super bored and I have to keep Visual Basic 6.0 around which annoys the hell out of me.

How will people ever see that Linux is better if we follow the Mistakes Microsoft made with the Windows GUI? because I can tell you, there are a lot of them.

Linux isn't Windows, it should never be Windows and I for one am glad of that fact.

If you want to make Ubuntu like Windows, code a registry database, Write a Locked Down Graphics API, Make Networking a Complete Nightmare and add ilogical design decisions to your GUI. Then you'll have Ubuntu like Windows.

djoe
March 23rd, 2009, 04:00 AM
I don't see how Linux/Gnome is clean and organized?

Apps in a Sub-Folder
Documents in a Sub-Folder
System Tools in a Sub-Folder

Thats what I consider organized?

Whats your classification of organized?

Ubuntu doesn't even have program files folder.

I can't even drag and drop the icons from the Application Menu, how is that user friendly?

What makes me want to fully switch to Linux. Is No Activation, No Genuine, No Limit On Installations C***.

cardinals_fan
March 23rd, 2009, 04:06 AM
I think Microsoft tried suing all the Linux distros, one time and failed.
Not so much. They have made vague threats, but no specific lawsuits.


Mr. Gates just wants life to be closed source, which is un-fair to people that have talent and want to be creative.
Gates != Microsoft. It's a huge bureaucracy, not a dictatorship.

EDIT: Maybe you would like GoboLinux...

Redache
March 23rd, 2009, 04:24 AM
Ubuntu doesn't even have program files folder.

To correct you, Linux doesn't have a Program Files folder.

I don't see how that makes anything easier, how often do you honestly go to the program files folder and have a look around? probably never. You have to understand that Linux is FUNDAMENTALLY different to Windows, it's not based on similar foundations.

If you understood the Linux File System, you would not complain that it's inferior to Windows.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Filesystem_Hierarchy_Standard read this to understand why it is the way it is.

lykwydchykyn
March 23rd, 2009, 05:17 AM
djoe,
You've not been entirely clear on what you are proposing, and every post makes it less clear. First you post on Ubuntu adopting a "Windows Look", which implies mimicking appearance. Then you're on about menu structure. Then you post a mock-up that looks nothing whatsoever like Windows. Now you're saying "Windows/Mac look" and bringing up the lack of a "program files" folder.

Just what do you really want to change? And honestly, how many of the alternatives have you tried? KDE has several options for menus, some very "Windows classic" and some very XP/Vista; and of course any DE can have a reorganized menu.

djoe
March 23rd, 2009, 11:20 PM
Let me get back on topic and explain this as clear as a Wine (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wine_(software)) Glass.

You know what scrap alot of the B.S. I was saying before and listen up.

What I'm proposing is that Ubuntu has a menu structure theme, that is either a system install default or made available in the theme settings.

What I would like to see made available in Ubuntu is a Red-Silicon Theme.

The buttons shown in the following image, would be at the top of your screen, keeping in mind that all of the menu options are showing in this picture. But, if these were actually in Ubuntu, you would have to click on one to see the options, (of course).

For Example: if you clicked on [Begin] you would see Program (with a Sub-Menu available), than TableTop (with a Sub-Menu available), than File/Folder (No Sub-Menu but, clickable, than File/App History (with a Sub-Menu available).

Here is that image I was talking about (see attached)

I'll give more detail soon...

aysiu
March 23rd, 2009, 11:27 PM
Let me get back on topic and explain this as clear as a Wine (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wine_(software)) Glass.

You know what scrap alot of the B.S. I was saying before and listen up.

What I'm proposing is that Ubuntu has a menu structure theme, that is either a system install default or made available in the theme settings.

What I would like to see made available in Ubuntu is a Red-Silicon Theme.

The buttons shown in the following image, would be at the top of your screen, keeping in mind that all of the menu options are showing in this picture. But, if these were actually in Ubuntu, you would have to click on one to see the options, (of course).

For Example: if you clicked on [Begin] you would see Program (with a Sub-Menu available), than TableTop (with a Sub-Menu available), than File/Folder (No Sub-Menu but, clickable, than File/App History (with a Sub-Menu available).

Here is that image I was talking about (see attached)

I'll give more detail soon...
Why is that better? It seems more complicated.

MasterNetra
March 23rd, 2009, 11:29 PM
[not sure, which section to put this]

Has Ubuntu considered a Windows look for Linux?
www.reactos.com (http://www.reactos.com/)
(no I don't expect windows-based, just linux-based)

Heres what I imagine:
(notice that functions are combined and notice that most don't have Sub-Menus. this would only be classic mode to some people )
TableTop, means DeskTop... LookUp, means Search... File/Folder, means Documents.


------------------------------------
Ubuntu Updates
------------------------------------
Program >>>
------------------------------------
TableTop >>>
------------------------------------
File/Program History >>>
------------------------------------
File/Folder
------------------------------------
Control Center
------------------------------------
LookUp/Run
------------------------------------
Help
------------------------------------
SignOut/TurnOff
------------------------------------
[Begin Button]








Ubuntu would kick butt, if they had a Windows Like OS.

Blasphemy! :p

cardinals_fan
March 23rd, 2009, 11:57 PM
Let me get back on topic and explain this as clear as a Wine (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wine_(software)) Glass.

You know what scrap alot of the B.S. I was saying before and listen up.

What I'm proposing is that Ubuntu has a menu structure theme, that is either a system install default or made available in the theme settings.

What I would like to see made available in Ubuntu is a Red-Silicon Theme.

The buttons shown in the following image, would be at the top of your screen, keeping in mind that all of the menu options are showing in this picture. But, if these were actually in Ubuntu, you would have to click on one to see the options, (of course).

For Example: if you clicked on [Begin] you would see Program (with a Sub-Menu available), than TableTop (with a Sub-Menu available), than File/Folder (No Sub-Menu but, clickable, than File/App History (with a Sub-Menu available).

Here is that image I was talking about (see attached)

I'll give more detail soon...
That sounds more complicated...

Skripka
March 24th, 2009, 12:02 AM
That sounds more complicated...

Isn't Gnome already unusable enough, without all this trouble?

bakedbeans4life
March 24th, 2009, 12:05 AM
Why is that better? It seems more complicated.

Just like me djoe, you are viewed in the same context as myself as regards how many comments you have posted on these forums. Number of correspondence = credibility, I guess. The meter reads 0 in your case, 8 in mine, no matter how many times you login.

You seem to be of the view that Linux should mimic Windows, while I say Linux should plow it's own furrow. Both perspectives are opposite but are juxtaposed at the same time.

I seem to have said much that really does irritate those Windows users that come to Ubuntu and it's respective forum. You have managed to do the opposite, irritate the Ubuntu/Linux users that view Windows as an anathema.

Not that I agree with you, but I find it interesting and enlightening all the same.

Therion
March 24th, 2009, 12:07 AM
So, the best bet is linux acting like Windows and having Wine available.
Ummm... No.

cardinals_fan
March 24th, 2009, 12:08 AM
Just like me djoe, you are viewed in the same context as myself as regards how many comments you have posted on these forums. Number of correspondence = credibility, I guess. The meter reads 0 in your case, 8 in mine, no matter how many times you login.

You seem to be of the view that Linux should mimic Windows, while I say Linux should plow it's own furrow. Both perspectives are opposite but are juxtaposed at the same time.

I seem to have said much that really does irritate those Windows users that come to Ubuntu and it's respective forum. You have managed to do the opposite, irritate the Ubuntu/Linux users that view Windows as an anathema.

Not that I agree with you, but I find it interesting and enlightening all the same.
Really, it has nothing to do with post counts. I just cannot imagine any way in which a more complex menu design would make more sense. What do we do with a menu? Launch applications or open places. Having a submenu for Programs is another step to go through almost every single time the menu is used.

Chemical Imbalance
March 24th, 2009, 12:12 AM
Just like me djoe, you are viewed in the same context as myself as regards how many comments you have posted on these forums. Number of correspondence = credibility, I guess. The meter reads 0 in your case, 8 in mine, no matter how many times you login.

You seem to be of the view that Linux should mimic Windows, while I say Linux should plow it's own furrow. Both perspectives are opposite but are juxtaposed at the same time.

I seem to have said much that really does irritate those Windows users that come to Ubuntu and it's respective forum. You have managed to do the opposite, irritate the Ubuntu/Linux users that view Windows as an anathema.

Not that I agree with you, but I find it interesting and enlightening all the same.

Haha, we all know you have more than 8 posts ;)

bakedbeans4life
March 24th, 2009, 12:20 AM
Haha, we all know you have more than 8 posts ;)

What your nick implies, I am striving for now. I salute you. :p

I should have said my comment was an observation and off-topic.

djoe
March 24th, 2009, 05:34 AM
The menu setup is not as complicating as you think.

I'll see if I can get a demo working.

illurim
March 24th, 2009, 06:22 AM
yawn
.
..
very, very big yawn
...
....
very, very VERY big yawn

dude, if you want linux to be windows, go buy windows.

Make a choice

He has. You just lack the ability to understand or comprehend it, or the facility to treat it with respect.

Someone else made a comment about Linux being a community who want nothing to do with Windows. That's fine, but if Linux is a community it needs to understand that it's a growing community and part of being in a growing community is coping with changes to your own community boundaries and beliefs.

He wants to use Ubuntu and he wants it to look like Windows. Either offer him suggestions to achieve his goal if you care about your community, or remain silent.

The kind of intolerance demonstrated in your post should be a bannable offense.

djoe
March 24th, 2009, 09:33 PM
What I could do too is re-design Ubuntu and show you it via Webcam.

Microsoft is all about selling one product and making money.

Ubuntu is all about community and making things how you want. Maybe you want a Windows look or something similar to Windows, maybe you have iMac envy and want to make it look like Mac. Maybe your happy with the Ubuntu Default. or maybe you have a better menu idea.

Yes, some of you don't want anything to do with Windows. But, Ubuntu is about choice and not so much about, I hate Windows and linux is not Windows, blah, blah, blah.


Some people want Linux because Windows:
-Installation Requires A Product Key
-Online Or Phone Activation Is Required To Update And Continue Using Windows Without A 30-day Expiry.
-There Is A Limit On The Number Of Installs You Can Do
-Your Windows Must Be Genuine To Use Microsoft Products

Microsoft's Customer Service is so, c**** that's another reason why I'd rather switch fully to Linux.

Look the main point is Ubuntu/Linux Is Choice.

New Menu Concept Has Changed To Make More Sense:
http://www.postimage.org/image.php?v=Pq4yHQ0

Old Menu Concept
http://www.postimage.org/image.php?v=Pq2hk5yA

http://www.postimage.org/Pq4yHQ0.jpg (http://www.postimage.org/image.php?v=Pq4yHQ0)

Ms_Angel_D
March 25th, 2009, 02:39 PM
Look the main point is Ubuntu/Linux Is Choice

+1

I really think you should have a look at either gnomenu (http://www.gtk-apps.org/content/show.php/GnoMenu+-+consolidated+menu+for+gnome?content=93056) or Ubuntu System Panel (http://code.google.com/p/ubuntu-system-panel/w/list), they would allow you to customize your menu your way. I personally prefer Ubuntu System Panel. I'm Including a Screenshot of My menu.

kilosan
March 25th, 2009, 03:07 PM
I don't know, Windows is hard to use. You have to be familiar with the software name instead of the what software type it is, Like Excel, what is an excel? Its easy if they just said its a Spreadsheet in the Office Tab in Applications. You also have to be familiar with "Delete" and "Format" my 12 year old niece just formatted my D:\ drive which contains lots of files and it became empty. Also its Add/Remove is located in Control Panel and its not as useful as the one with Ubuntu, i tried to remove IE and it just hide the icon but its still there, and i tried to add a type tutor software, and it didnt have one. And if you dont have a driver, you have 10% of it working on your computer. And in top of that, a lot of co-user is having a hard time where to put their files? C:\?, My Documents?, C:\Windows?, C:\Program Files.

Giant Speck
March 25th, 2009, 03:07 PM
I don't see what's so complicated about:

Applications | Places | System

It makes perfect sense.

AICollector
March 25th, 2009, 04:27 PM
I would argue this is a good idea when dealing with newbies to the system.

I'm setting up Ubuntu with GnoMenu and whatnot to look like XP for my Niece. She isn't the sharpest tool in the shed so I figured I might as well make sure she's lost but comfortable, rather then uncomfortable and lost.

djoe
March 26th, 2009, 01:11 AM
Alot of newbies only know Windows.

When you walk into FutureShop (http://www.futureshop.ca/) or BestBuy (http://www.bestbuy.com/), all you'll see is Windows this and Windows that.

I have almost a decayed in experience with computers. But, there are beginners that only know Windows, and might feel more lost in Linux or Ubuntu. Some of the methods used in Ubuntu are different from Windows.

Now if Ubuntu struck a deal with other computer hardware companys, such as Hewlett Packard (HP), GateWay, Acer and many others... Would make people that don't have computers realize, that hey, there's more options than just Windows and Mac. I'm referring to computers that are shipped to BestBuy and FutureShop.

I noticed Dell Canada (http://www1.ca.dell.com/content/topics/segtopic.aspx/linux_3x?c=ca&cs=cadhs1&l=en&s=dhs), finally got on board with Ubuntu. That sucks no free shipping and higher price than the Windows one. Ubuntu doesn't cost alot to put on multiple computers.

cardinals_fan
March 26th, 2009, 01:45 AM
Alot of newbies only know Windows.

...and therein lies the rub. There is nothing wrong with having this available as a choice, but I think it is a dangerous default. No matter how much it may look like Windows, Ubuntu is not Windows. Using Ubuntu will require approaching things from a different angle. It isn't necessarily better or worse; it's just different. If a slightly different but easily modifiable menu arrangement is a barrier to new users, I fear that they will be totally unable to adjust to much more serious differences.

djoe
March 26th, 2009, 02:25 AM
Have you ever watched that advertisement.

"Its made from Sugar, so it tastes like Sugar"
splenda.com (http://www.splenda.com/)

Thats why I created this concept.
http://www.postimage.org/image.php?v=Pq4yHQ0

Ubuntu is not Windows, but I can legally make something almost similar to Windows. Tell me would I get sued by Microsoft, with this type of Menu setup?

aysiu
March 26th, 2009, 02:27 AM
When I had used Windows for years and tried Mac OS X, I felt lost too. Then you know what happened? I got used to it. I knew OS X was different, and I learned a new way of doing things. I don't think Apple would be more successful if it tailored OS X to look and feel like a Windows interface.

And by the same token, I don't think Ubuntu migrants will ultimately have an easier transition if Ubuntu adopts a Windows-like interface. At first they might feel comforted to see something familiar. But then it gives them unrealistic expectations (Oh, this is just like Windows) so when things don't end up working like Windows, they'll be even more disappointed instead of learning to adapt to a new way of doing things.

cardinals_fan
March 26th, 2009, 02:50 AM
Have you ever watched that advertisement.

"Its made from Sugar, so it tastes like Sugar"
splenda.com (http://www.splenda.com/)
But that's the whole problem. Ubuntu is not made from Windows, nor does it have any reason to "taste" like Windows. You can't switch to Ubuntu without doing things differently, and trying to hide this with a familiar look would just be deceptive.


Ubuntu is not Windows, but I can legally make something almost similar to Windows. Tell me would I get sued by Microsoft, with this type of Menu setup?
To be honest, that mockup looks nothing whatsoever like Windows to me. So you are probably okay (though I make no guarantees and accept no liability).

Don't get me wrong - I support you in your goal of customizing Ubuntu to fit your own needs. If you want a Windows look, be my guest to create and use it. But I think it would be a very bad choice as a default.

lykwydchykyn
March 26th, 2009, 05:48 AM
Are you developing a menu structure or a theme? What is that mockup supposed to represent? A panel menu? What on earth does it have to do with Windows?

I don't see anything wrong with that menu structure, it seems as good as any other. Why don't you argue it on its own merits instead of constantly comparing it to Windows (to which it's not comparable) as your sole argument? Just drop the whole Windows thing and say what you mean -- you want a different menu structure. Nothing wrong with that. This thread would have 10 less pages of useless bickering if you'd just have proposed that instead of making vague allusions to "the Windows look".

If you're serious about it, make a mockup in the context of a full desktop and post it up on brainstorm.

cdwillis
March 26th, 2009, 07:02 AM
Beating a dead horse here, but whatever.:popcorn:


Ubuntu is not going to change it's default look to resemble Windows. When someone sees that it looks like Windows it creates the unrealistic expectation of it operating like Windows.

Sef
March 26th, 2009, 07:06 AM
Ubuntu is not going to change it's default look to resemble Windows. When someone sees that it looks like Windows it creates the unrealistic expectation of it operating like Windows.

Microsoft could make Windows more like Ubuntu. There is nothing stopping them.

afeasfaerw23231233
March 26th, 2009, 09:27 AM
I guess if a Windows-xp theme Ubuntu is available I may install it for my uncle. He would just realize it's an XP. hehe

afeasfaerw23231233
March 26th, 2009, 09:31 AM
Wow that's great!
http://www.gnome-look.org/

Let me try it on his computer tonight

skymera
March 26th, 2009, 11:46 AM
[not sure, which section to put this]

Has Ubuntu considered a Windows look for Linux?
www.reactos.com (http://www.reactos.com/)
(no I don't expect windows-based, just linux-based)

Heres what I imagine:
(notice that functions are combined and notice that most don't have Sub-Menus. this would only be classic mode to some people )
TableTop, means DeskTop... LookUp, means Search... File/Folder, means Documents.




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Ubuntu Updates
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Program >>>
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TableTop >>>
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File/Program History >>>
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File/Folder
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Control Center
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LookUp/Run
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Help
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SignOut/TurnOff
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[Begin Button]








Ubuntu would kick butt, if they had a Windows Like OS.

What?
If i want a Windows looking OS I'll use Windows.

ryaxnb
April 7th, 2009, 04:17 AM
The GNOME expierence is actually superior to windows or Mac OS X, i made a thread about this on Ars Technica. They have a clear and relevant HIG, they have a simple design philosohphy, they have a simple layout, and far more customization. They have a better theming engine and are very very easy to use. I would never trade that in for the mess that is Windows XP/Vista. s
As for a few common topic points, here's what i think about them.
* Apps/Places/System: The One-Menu scheme has been tried before. Some GNOME implementations use a Slab menu, like OpenSUSE, but this doesn't look like windows either. The start menu, famous though it is, is one of the weirdest parts of windows. It makes little sense and changes with every revision, from windows 2000 to xp, to vista, to 7.
* Nautilus: A spatial FM has been shown to have better usability. Nautilus also has features for backtracking and keyboard navigation.
* Taskbar seperate: It just makes sense to me, i don't even usually use a taskbar at all, use alt-tab exclusively...
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