Senator wants to do away with net neutrality in stimulus bill

[Grant A.]

http://news.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=09/02/11/1454246

If you live in this senator's state, please call and complain that you won't be voting for her if she attempts to pass this.

[Skripka]

Damn. That is underhanded, even by political standards.

[linuxisevolution]

Well this sucks. But it's not going to stop anything like serving web sites from your house, will it?:cool:

[kevin11951]

Well this sucks. But it's not going to stop anything like serving web sites from your house, will it?:cool:

every time i see a net neutrality post, that is always my biggest fear, that someone is going to try to make it so that only paying companies can have websites.

[foxbase]

THen you can use a proxy located outside of the U.S to bypass your isp?

[linuxisevolution]

every time i see a net neutrality post, that is always my biggest fear, that someone is going to try to make it so that only paying companies can have websites.

What can they do to stop me if they don't know?

[kevin11951]

What can they do to stop me if they don't know?

well, basically it would be something like a giant database that all the isp's use, and you have to pay to be included in. (ICANN)

and all ports are closed incoming for "non-sited" costumers.

[linuxisevolution]

Do you mean close ports like port 80? Hell, if they do that I'll be my own ISP :P

[bobyo134]

this is completly stupid , if u think about it they say there trying to "help" the economy , mean while they would spend a ton on a data base. and to top it all off my site isnt even up and running yet

[kevin11951]

Do you mean close ports like port 80? Hell, if they do that I'll be my own ISP :P

yes, that is what i mean, only on ALL ports.

[linuxisevolution]

Then how would the internet work?? Go back to bitnet? :lolflag:



EDIT: Kevin, could you please check you inbox? Thanks :)

[foxbase]

The article is utter rubbish. it would never happen in the real world.

[aceinthenight]

http://feinstein.senate.gov/public/index.cfm?FuseAction=ContactUs.EmailMe

[foxbase]

Then how would the internet work?? Go back to bitnet? :lolflag:



EDIT: Kevin, could you please check you inbox? Thanks :)


It would end up with a split up, Europe would assign its own domain name and numbers and too would China, Russia...... virtually every body would be free to go on as normal, and the U.S would end up on its own with limits galore.

[abn91c]

wWhat else you can expect from Sen feinstein from California home of the hippe/pot smoking freaks that love terrorists(San Francisco city council) and hate the US Military(especially Berkley).Remeber last year San Franciso banned the USMC from filming a commercial in town citing"traffic concerns" but allowed a few weeks later a Gay pride parade and its Nancy pelosi and friends that pushed for Guantanamo to be closed and that the terrorist get Lawyers, cable TV and are treated nicely, never mind that so far no other Governors want the Gitmo prisoners in their back yard.

[gletob]

Do you mean close ports like port 80? Hell, if they do that I'll be my own ISP :P

Actually my isp (Verizon DSL) already blocks 80 to home connection (So you can't host anything.

[zekopeko]

wWhat else you can expect from Sen feinstein from California home of the hippe/pot smoking freaks that love terrorists(San Francisco city council) and hate the US Military(especially Berkley).Remeber last year San Franciso banned the USMC from filming a commercial in town citing"traffic concerns" but allowed a few weeks later a Gay pride parade and its Nancy pelosi and friends that pushed for Guantanamo to be closed and that the terrorist get Lawyers, cable TV and are treated nicely, never mind that so far no other Governors want the Gitmo prisoners in their back yard.

hahahahaha!!!! dude this isn't stormfront forum.

[linuxisevolution]

Actually my isp (Verizon DSL) already blocks 80 to home connection (So you can't host anything.

That's odd. I have comcast, no ports blocked here :)

Couldn't you just use a different port?


EDIT: I called comcast and asked about getting a static IP, the IT man was very suspicious... "What you use this for?" For now on, when I call them, I will ask what country this is in.
A. India
B. USA
C. Canada
D.HELL <<- most likely.

[handy]

Have a read of the End of the Internet link in my signature.

A BIG problem, it that almost all of the worlds very expensive internet backbone is situated in the U.S..

This corporatisation of the internet; where the internet becomes a limited set of services that the user has to pay for, is a very real threat, that is in progress right now.

In Australia, the ridiculous internet censorship policy of the current government, smacks of ulterior motive.

The system of censorship that the government is advocating, gives them national control of what sites are available & what sites are not.

This is very serious business.

[georgegerm]

wWhat else you can expect from Sen feinstein from California home of the hippe/pot smoking freaks that love terrorists(San Francisco city council) and hate the US Military(especially Berkley).Remeber last year San Franciso banned the USMC from filming a commercial in town citing"traffic concerns" but allowed a few weeks later a Gay pride parade and its Nancy pelosi and friends that pushed for Guantanamo to be closed and that the terrorist get Lawyers, cable TV and are treated nicely, never mind that so far no other Governors want the Gitmo prisoners in their back yard.

r u kind of like a sore right winger???
i do not know or care to know really sorry i asked. ur opinion goes way off the subject matter, of what already a bad an not so smart situation this Sen., is trying to create...
yes being a left, liberal ubuntu user i must say this lady is off in another planet, and certanly trying to get donations from big corporations in the usa for her political ambitions.
she will, if something as idiotic as this, gets thru destroy more and more liberties of which so few are left.
rep or dem can be and most often are self serving, no surprise here...
i bet she voted for the patriot act also without reading it (and even when she could have read it, i bet she voted yes)....
p.s.
do not tell anyone,, i bet you she will get no support from liberals and i doubt any thinking human out there (well maybe the bushes will adopt the cause..)
do something and writte to her she is making a stupid decision !!! and shes not aware of the real time:guitar:
show her what the internet can really do

[MaxIBoy]

I used to respect Feinstein, and I still agree with a lot of her ideas, but this is unforgivable and the lady needs to burn.





yes, that is what i mean, only on ALL ports.
Comcast already does stuff like that. It screws with the ports, so you have to pay for a static IP in order to host game servers and so on. I've successfully uploaded on P2P applications, so I don't think they block every port, but yeah.


As for whoever came up with the idea of using a proxy--

Uh, no. At that point, you might as well rent server space on an overseas server.

[Grant A.]

Comcast already does stuff like that. It screws with the ports, so you have to pay for a static IP in order to host game servers and so on. I've successfully uploaded on P2P applications, so I don't think they block every port, but yeah.


As for whoever came up with the idea of using a proxy--

Uh, no. At that point, you might as well rent server space on an overseas server.

Actually, the FCC recently made Comcast quit that, and they were forced to comply in December. I am on Comcast and I can set up a static IP fine. You don't have to ASK for one, you can make one yourself.

http://www.portforward.com/networking/staticip.htm

Setting up a static IP is also unnecessary if you go with a Domain Name host that supports Dynamic DNSs.

[AnonCat]

It would be nice, if for once, governments and/or corporations would stop being control freaks intent on destroying the freedoms the internet allows. I'm from California and I'll definitely not be voting for the lunatics who seem intent on killing the free flow of information across the tubes. God forbid if we're only allowed to visit the sites the ISP deems we should visit. It'd probably just be inane pop-culture trash like TV.

[Grant A.]

It would be nice, if for once, governments and/or corporations would stop being control freaks intent on destroying the freedoms the internet allows. I'm from California and I'll definitely not be voting for the lunatics who seem intent on killing the free flow of information across the tubes. God forbid if we're only allowed to visit the sites the ISP deems we should visit. It'd probably just be inane pop-culture trash like TV.

You need to tell the official in question that they have lost your vote, and convince your like-minded friends to do so also, as if a lot of people call and say that their essentially "firing" an official, then chances are that that official will get their *** in line.

[MaxIBoy]

Copied and pasted from the note I just sent off to Feinstein:

Dear Senator,

I write today in protest of your recent proposed contributions to the stimulus bill being drafted. The legislation (which, thankfully, did not reach the stimulus bill) would have given more leeway for Internet service providers (ISPs) to throttle down, monitor, and selectively filter information passing through to their customers. ISPs already exhibit this behavior. At this point in time, however, such actions are illegal, and the offending ISPs (notably Comcast) are being investigated for it.

As someone for whom reliable Internet access is a prerequisite for accomplishing day-to-day tasks, I am able to give a first-hand account of what it's like to use an unethical ISP. I live beyond the range of DSL. Dial-up Internet is completely inadequate for tasks related to school. That leaves no choice but Comcast. Comcast is currently under investigation for throttling down BitTorrent data transmission. The process being used by Comcast has the unfortunate side-affect of slowing down all traffic for all customers; information has to be inspected by computer programs to check for BitTorrent transactions, and that acts as a bottleneck. Furthermore, if a Comcast customer fires up a BitTorrent client, every single person sharing that Internet connection now has to put up with speeds on the order of five hundred bytes per second-- roughly equivalent to how fast a speed-reader can read "Moby ****." Imagine downloading an entire book at this speed. Now imagine getting a video clip by email from a friend.

BitTorrent is the single most efficient protocol for moving data around the Internet. With traditional file transfer protocols, whoever "hosts" the file being downloaded typically has to pay a fee for every person that downloads the file. This can get expensive, and some people cannot afford it. The alternative is to simply place it on BitTorrent, so that people can download it more efficiently and quickly, and the cost of distributing software is reduced. This is a completely legal and legitimate use of Peer-To-Peer technology.

However, this is unavailable to me, and in order to obtain some software, I'm required to download it in a way that costs the creators money. There are a number of high-quality software makers that request users to obtain the software via BitTorrent, then register the software with purchased CD keys.

Internet service providers couldn't care less about piracy or illegal content. As a rule, it costs them money to provide Internet service, so they avoid doing so in as many ways as possible. Illegal content such as child pornography needs to be stopped at the source-- child abusers need to be put in jail. "Reasonable network management" is simply an excuse for ISPs to avoid doing what they are paid to do, or worse.

Some ISPs have already expressed an interest in actually charging a fee for artists, authors, musicians, merchants, search engines, email providers, and other content providers. Imagine your ISP not allowing you to view certain websites, because the owners of those websites did not pay for the privilege of sending information to you. Imagine your email provider receiving ten-cent fee for every email you send or receive (and that fee gets passed onto you.) Imagine having to pay Sonic, SBC, AT&T, Verizon, Time Warner, NetZero, AOL, Comcast, and Virgin Media each an annual fee or else your website wouldn't be visible to their customers. Obviously, this is a worst-case scenario, but it's an inevitable part of the future unless lawmakers, such as yourself, make a stand against it in the present.

Giving ISPs the right to exercise "reasonable network management" is like telling the CEO of a bank that he can take everyone's money and exercise "reasonable yacht management." As a rule, banks are intended to store money but never steal it; In a similar way, ISPs are intended to provide Internet access to paying customers without tampering with the information.

I have respected all of your environmental and foreign policy work. I sincerely hope your proposed legislation was some kind of mistake. If this was deliberate, then I cannot respect you as a competent leader anymore.

<real name snipped>


Actually, the FCC recently made Comcast quit that, and they were forced to comply in December. I am on Comcast and I can set up a static IP fine. You don't have to ASK for one, you can make one yourself.

http://www.portforward.com/networking/staticip.htm

Setting up a static IP is also unnecessary if you go with a Domain Name host that supports Dynamic DNSs.
Big win!

Hadn't heard about that. Comcast sent me an email when they were forced to disclose their secret download size cap, but I guess they didn't want to tell me about my rights.


My home server project just got a lot more complicated.

[Firestem4]

This is rediculous, and awful. I have always feared this growing issue...I sent a very succint letter to Senator Feinstein (I'm a californian)...I hope to god this doesn't go through...

[swoll1980]

I don't trust any government official that is against net neutrality, unless he/she owns a telecommunications company, there would seem to be no reason to take this stand, unless their pockets were being lined.

[MaxIBoy]

The article does say that her proposal didn't make it. However, she plans to reintroduce it to another bill.

[MikeTheC]

I wouldn't know, myself, but I would love to see a Constitution scholar review this and see if any of this is within the authorized powers granted the Federal Government. It is a great concern to see yet another detrimental thing happen to us, all the while "nobody" out there cares about it, or even knows about it.

"Slip it in under the radar" should be the Federal Government's motto, both in socio-economic/socio-political matters, and in technological ones as well.