Facebook group!

[spydon]

Hello people!
If you want to join a new started Linux facebookgroup, here is your chance ;).

http://www.facebook.com/groups/edit.php?gid=48399450465#/group.php?gid=48399450465&ref=ts (http://www.facebook.com/groups/edit.php?gid=48399450465#/group.php?gid=48399450465&ref=ts)

There is only 36 members now, I KNOW THE UBUNTU COMMUNITY CAN DO BETTER! :D

[sydbat]

Facebook? Facebook is sooooo 2007...I should know...I just joined recently and am at least 2 years behind the curve...:lolflag:

[Swagman]

I'm getting enough emails from facebook already without joining up to this and getting eleventy billion more !!

[spydon]

I'm getting enough emails from facebook already without joining up to this and getting eleventy billion more !!

Just login and block all applications from mailing you...

[Thelasko]

I believe there are already several Facebook groups on this topic. There is also an Ubuntu fan page. (yes, I am a fan of Ubuntu)

[CrazyArcher]

Is it just me who calls it Phasebook?

[mr.propre]

I believe there are already several Facebook groups on this topic. There is also an Ubuntu fan page. (yes, I am a fan of Ubuntu)

+1
GNU/Lunux: http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=2204623234
Ubuntu fan page: http://www.facebook.com/pages/Ubuntu/6723083591?sid=e100e34c49608e67938dcc78cc2a76ad&ref=s

[sydbat]

Is it just me who calls it Phasebook?Yes...hehehe...

Actually, my friends and I call it crackbook...

[wolfen69]

Facebook? Facebook is sooooo 2007

facebook (or anything like it) is sooooo not me to begin with. it's for kids who have nothing better to do. kids who also like to spend endless hours texting absolute meaningless junk.

[Dragonbite]

I'm already part of a facebook group and I haven't figured out what the benefit really is yet.

Now if I could just be informed when somebody posts or comments on something from the groups in an easy readable format, then I may get more involved.

[Thelasko]

I'm already part of a facebook group and I haven't figured out what the benefit really is yet.

Now if I could just be informed when somebody posts or comments on something from the groups in an easy readable format, then I may get more involved.

+1

Most of the "fan of" pages determine what ads your friends see when they're logged into Facebook. Does anybody know if Ubuntu does the same thing?

On a side note, I was receiving ads from Ticketmaster on Facebook. Below the ad, it said that one of my friends was a "fan of" Ticketmaster. I have a strong dislike for Ticketmaster and almost removed that friend because of that ad.

Oh, and crack-book is what you're not doing while on Facebook.

[spydon]

Invite your linux/ubuntufriends too! :D

[handy]

Have any of you done a search on facebook & data mining?

Facebook is one of the prime methods of reaching the previously stated U.S. goal of knowing everything about everybody.

Oh, & when you search, use Scroogle?

[kk0sse54]

it's for kids who have nothing better to do. kids who also like to spend endless hours texting absolute meaningless junk.

I actually see it as a great way for me to keep in touch with family and friends when traveling abroad.

[bruce89]

Facebook? Facebook is sooooo 2007...I should know...I just joined recently and am at least 2 years behind the curve...:lolflag:

Heh, same here.


facebook (or anything like it) is sooooo not me to begin with. it's for kids who have nothing better to do. kids who also like to spend endless hours texting absolute meaningless junk.

I do agree with you to a certain extent. However, in my experience, it's for posting drunken pictures of yourself for all uninterested parties to see.

I find it quite fun pretending I have friends.

[speedwell68]

I've joined. I'm quite new to Facebook and I'm not a member of any groups yet.

[Dragonbite]

it's for kids who have nothing better to do. kids who also like to spend endless hours texting absolute meaningless junk.

I actually got on it at first because a couple college friends of mine were on it and we've been looking for a means of keeping in touch since there is no "one" technology we all use.

After I got on it didn't take long for friends and people from High School to start re-connecting and we've even started a group towards planning our 20th HS Reunion (this year).

And now the latest batch of people are from ex-co-workers from a company that was great, until it was bought out by a larger company. Now the department of 20+ people have been shrunken and scattered down to about 4-5!

So for me it is a means of re-connecting with people I haven't seen in a while.

I've noticed a number of people "our age" using Facebook over MySpace and such. I remember Yahoo! Groups when they first came out and were great.

[kevdog]

Oh, & when you search, use Scroogle?

How do I use Scroogle on firefox -- and what is the point? Just b/c your identity is hidden from google, its revealed to scroogle. How does this provide for greater protection?

[handy]

How do I use Scroogle on firefox -- and what is the point? Just b/c your identity is hidden from google, its revealed to scroogle. How does this provide for greater protection?

Scroogle search can be added to Firefox's search bar, see the 3rd link below (though there are multiple other people supplying ways to add Scroogle to Firefox's search also). I use Scroogle SSL English search & Scroogle Ubuntu Forums in my Firefox search field.

The reason I use Scroogle is that it protects my privacy. Google does not get to add my search information to their biggest database on the planet. I am also making a statement of my views on Google's invasion of personal privacy by using Scroogle.

Scroogle collects no personal information.

If we want greater protection of privacy, then we show that, that is what we want by choosing to use those things that protect our privacy.

Every little thing that we do, adds to the weight of what others do; this in turn influences those that observe & make choices about what they will do in response to our actions; this in turn effects us & we then in turn respond... The spiral of cause & effect. :-)


http://www.scroogle.org/

http://swik.net/scroogle

http://mycroft.mozdev.org/search-engines.html?name=scroogle

http://www.google-watch.org/

[toupeiro]

Scroogle search can be added to Firefox's search bar, see the 3rd link below (though there are multiple other people supplying ways to add Scroogle to Firefox's search also). I use Scroogle SSL English search & Scroogle Ubuntu Forums in my Firefox search field.

The reason I use Scroogle is that it protects my privacy. Google does not get to add my search information to their biggest database on the planet. I am also making a statement of my views on Googles invasion of personal privacy by using Scroogle.

Scroogle collects no personal information.

If we want greater protection of privacy, then we show that, that is what we want by choosing to use those things that protect our privacy.

Every little thing that we do, adds to the weight of what others do; this in turn influences those that observe & make choices about what they will do in response to our actions; this in turn effects us & we then in turn respond... The spiral of cause & effect. :-)


http://www.scroogle.org/

http://swik.net/scroogle

http://mycroft.mozdev.org/search-engines.html?name=scroogle

http://www.google-watch.org/

Don't worry, the credit system, the phone companies, cable companies, and ISP's already do this for you. Google isn't going to get anything on you from their engine they can't get by another means... You know how many times Visa/Mastercard got compromised in the last 3-4 years? It doesn't even matter if you never used your card, your basically public record for anyone with a curiosity. Google is not all that is evil in this scope, not even close. And quite frankly, do you REALLY care if your search statistics are totaled and sold to advertisers, I mean do you really?? Its not like you're putting in your SSN and clicking "I'm Feeling Lucky!" ;)

[ubuntu27]

About FaceBook, Data Mining, and Privacy isuues:

Facebook and the Government (http://www.theprivacyguy.com/2007/05/09/facebook-and-the-government/)


Youtube video: Does what happens in the Facebook stay in the Facebook? (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wogtTQs8Kzw)

Original Flash video: Does what happens in the Facebook stay in the Facebook? (http://www.albumoftheday.com/facebook/)

BBC develops data mining Facebook app to showcase site’s insecurity (http://www.crunchgear.com/2008/05/01/bbc-develops-data-mining-facebook-app-to-showcase-sites-insecurity/)

Researchers mine data in Facebook (http://www.boston.com/business/technology/articles/2007/12/17/researchers_mine_data_in_facebook/?p1=email_to_a_friend)

Facebook - the CIA conspiracy (http://www.nzherald.co.nz/technology/news/article.cfm?c_id=5&objectid=10456534)

[handy]

Don't worry, the credit system, the phone companies, cable companies, and ISP's already do this for you. Google isn't going to get anything on you from their engine they can't get by another means... You know how many times Visa/Mastercard got compromised in the last 3-4 years? It doesn't even matter if you never used your card, your basically public record for anyone with a curiosity. Google is not all that is evil in this scope, not even close. And quite frankly, do you REALLY care if your search statistics are totaled and sold to advertisers, I mean do you really?? Its not like you're putting in your SSN and clicking "I'm Feeling Lucky!" ;)

Your attitude is that of someone who holds no hope for a better future for humanity. You sound like you have given up due to being outnumbered & out gunned, when in reality the situation is quite the opposite.

If you do some research you will find that there is a little more than just marketing details that are able to be accessed via Google's database.

Countries such as China, have already paid Google for the use of their database, which can be used to access information in very sophisticated ways.

& yes I really DO care about information being used to take advantage of people, without their consent or educated knowledge on such uses.

[Dragonbite]

Umm.. how did a Facebook thread swing to Google and privacy, and what is Scroogle?

[handy]

Umm.. how did a Facebook thread swing to Google and privacy, and what is Scroogle?

Facebook is one of the top data miners; Scroogle scrapes Google providing you with Google search engine driven search results whilst simultaneously protecting your privacy from Googles gargantuan database full of privates. :-)

[aceinthenight]

There is already a Ubuntu facebook group, it has some 20,000 members.

[sydbat]

I actually prefer this Ubuntu Group...755,460 and growing!

[monkeychick]

I joined facebook a while ago and quickly realised I had good reasons for not keeping in touch with certain people. I cancelled my account straight away.

[Technoviking]

There is already a Ubuntu facebook group, it has some 20,000 members.

You can find the group here
http://www.facebook.com/home.php?ref=logo#/group.php?gid=2205498133

[aceinthenight]

You can find the group here
http://www.facebook.com/home.php?ref=logo#/group.php?gid=2205498133

I think I joined this group when it had less than 300 members too.

[glotz]

Don't use facebook. (http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/2008/jan/14/facebook)

[handy]

Don't use facebook. (http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/2008/jan/14/facebook)

Thanks for posting that excellent link, it is the best I've seen so far on wrapping up the facebook phenomenon.

All people who care about personal freedom should avoid the likes of facebook.

[aceinthenight]

Thanks for posting that excellent link, it is the best I've seen so far on wrapping up the facebook phenomenon.

All people who care about personal freedom should avoid the likes of facebook.

God, why so serious? Its convenient, especially for friends who are out of state, across the world, and great for college... I know of so many more parties because of facebook than what I would from talking to people from classes, clubs, and in my house.

[bruce89]

God, why so serious? Its convenient, especially for friends who are out of state, across the world, and great for college... I know of so many more parties because of facebook than what I would from talking to people from classes, clubs, and in my house.

And that's good because...

[toupeiro]

Your attitude is that of someone who holds no hope for a better future for humanity. You sound like you have given up due to being outnumbered & out gunned, when in reality the situation is quite the opposite.

If you do some research you will find that there is a little more than just marketing details that are able to be accessed via Google's database.

Countries such as China, have already paid Google for the use of their database, which can be used to access information in very sophisticated ways.

& yes I really DO care about information being used to take advantage of people, without their consent or educated knowledge on such uses.

Please, stick on topic, or at least to what you know, which is obviously not my attitude about humanities future...

My point is, sharing information is not bad, being educated and smart about what you publish is KEY! Facebook is not bad, what you put on facebook can be. My outlook on humanity is that it will learn to be smart about these information sharing tools, and educate themselves rather than be paranoid and doomsday-spreading about them.

Case in point, how are contextually based google ads taken from your search harmful? how are they "taking advantage" of you?? I try not to make assumptions about people, but in this case I am going to. You are coming off like an extremist, and in this case you are taking the negative impact of very insensitive information sharing to a very far extreme with your examples. I don't care that I get advertised head and shoulders if I type in the word "shampoo" I really, really don't. I dont feel disenfranchised, I don't feel taken advantage of. I feel like I live in a capitalistic world. Hey, what do you know? I DO live in a capitalistic world! If I do a search for cancer, its not like I'm being told "SAVE YOUR AUNT CATHY BY FINDING OUT ABOUT OUR CANCER TREATMENT!" I'm finding contextual information based on what information I chose to offer... Be smart about what you share, be smart about how much you depend on credit, don't live outside of your means financially, or outside of common sense, and most of your risk for anything significant is eliminated. I value intelligent action and due diligence over FUD any day of the week.

[bruce89]

My point is, sharing information is not bad, being educated and smart about what you publish is KEY! Facebook is not bad, what you put on facebook can be. My outlook on humanity is that it will learn to be smart about these information sharing tools, and educate themselves rather than be paranoid and doomsday-spreading about them.

However, the fact that Facebook own everything you post there is very dodgy. I keep my real stuff to other Websites (Flickr).


I feel like I live in a capitalistic world. Hey, what do you know? I DO live in a capitalistic world! Be smart about what you share, be smart about how much you depend on credit, and most of your risk for anything significant is eliminated. I value intelligent action and due diligence over FUD any day of the week.

If anything can be taken from the financial crisis, it's the inherant failings of capitalism.

[toupeiro]

If anything can be taken from the financial crisis, it's the inherant failings of capitalism.

If anything can be taken from the financial crisis, its that there is no perfect system as long as its controlled by people susceptible to greed and personal gains of a few over the needs of many. You can blame capitalism all you want, there have been many systems which failed before now, and without a doubt, this won't be the last time this will happen. Systems are not as flawed as the people we eventually put in charge of them that ruin them. Capitalism, communism, whatever... way off topic anyway..

[bruce89]

If anything can be taken from the financial crisis, its that there is no perfect system as long as its controlled by people susceptible to greed and personal gains of a few over the needs of many. You can blame capitalism all you want, Systems are not as flawed as the people we eventually put in charge of them that ruin them. Capitalism, communism, whatever... way off topic anyway..

I was going to add that no system's perfect, but I wanted to see how long it would take for someone to point the fact I missed that out.

8 minutes is about right I think.

[toupeiro]

I was going to add that no system's perfect, but I wanted to see how long it would take for someone to point the fact I missed that out.

8 minutes is about right I think.

Sorry, had to change over the laundry and modify my own post.. ;)

[handy]

God, why so serious? Its convenient, especially for friends who are out of state, across the world, and great for college... I know of so many more parties because of facebook than what I would from talking to people from classes, clubs, and in my house.

Read ALL of the page that glotz linked to above, as it answers your question.



Please, stick on topic,

The topic is Facebook, right?



or at least to what you know, which is obviously not my attitude about humanities future...

Sorry, your meaning was lost in ambiguity.



My point is, sharing information is not bad, being educated and smart about what you publish is KEY!

Yes, I agree.

The problem is that VERY FEW users of facebook take the time to educate themselves about facebook, or for that matter even have the sense, at their usually young ages to even care or understand what facebook in reality, is being used for. It just goes right over their heads.



Facebook is not bad, what you put on facebook can be. My outlook on humanity is that it will learn to be smart about these information sharing tools, and educate themselves rather than be paranoid and doomsday-spreading about them.

Yes, of course. There has never existed a genuine set of circumstances where the statement too late was true.



Case in point, how are contextually based google ads taken from your search harmful? how are they "taking advantage" of you??

The following is from http://swik.net/scroogle

There are two reasons why an ad-free scraper of Google's main search results is important. One reason is personal, and the other is political. On a personal level, your support for Scroogle says that search engines should not be tracking you and retaining this information indefinitely. Not only does Google scrape much of the web, but they keep records of who searches for what. If information about your searching is accessible by cookie ID or by your IP address, it is subject to subpoena. This is a violation of your privacy. Someday Google's data retention practices will be regulated, because Google is too arrogant to do the right thing voluntarily. In the meantime, you should not be leaving your fingerprints in Google's databases.



I try not to make assumptions about people, but in this case I am going to. You are coming off like an extremist, and in this case you are taking the negative impact of very insensitive information sharing to a very far extreme with your examples.

I think that perhaps by expanding your frame of reference you may be able to see that there are very wealthy & thereby powerful people, who can afford to have statistical data taken from huge samples analysed in very sophisticated ways, which bear results that are then used to capitalise on populations of people.

The way that the complex data inherent in these huge samples belonging to the databases owned by the likes of Google & Facebook, are analysed, is completely up to the owners of these databases, we have no say in the matter.

We are being data mined by these huge corporations, & they are using this data in various ways to become more powerful at our expense.

This is an invasion of privacy, which is being used to manipulate populations.



I don't care that I get advertised head and shoulders if I type in the word "shampoo" I really, really don't. I dont feel disenfranchised, I don't feel taken advantage of. I feel like I live in a capitalistic world. Hey, what do you know? I DO live in a capitalistic world!

Whether you or anyone else doesn't mind having products or politics strategically marketed to them is not the point.



If I do a search for cancer, its not like I'm being told "SAVE YOUR AUNT CATHY BY FINDING OUT ABOUT OUR CANCER TREATMENT!" I'm finding contextual information based on what information I chose to offer... Be smart about what you share, be smart about how much you depend on credit, don't live outside of your means financially, or outside of common sense, and most of your risk for anything significant is eliminated. I value intelligent action and due diligence over FUD any day of the week.

Ambiguously clouding the topic & the use of the straw man are not helping your argument here.

[Johnsie]

Oh my goodness the world is out to spy on us and get our personal information. Yes, paranoid conspiracy theorists, it's true, and there's nothing you can do about it. There's no point having a crap life and missing out because just because you don't want X knowing Y about you.

If you don't want people knowing stuff about you then you might as well just unplug your computer from the internet, quit using loyalty cards to save money in stores, quit your job, stop using a credit card and/or bank account, stop traveling, get rid of your car, get rid of your phone, stay away from hospitals, doctors or pharmacies... The list is endless, it's just how our world works.

It's too late, these people already have a truckload of info on you, so it wont make much difference even if you do those things.

Moving to the country and living secretly in a forest might be the only solution for you.

Otherwise terrible things might happen... like you might see a banner on a web page that is actually relevant to you!!! Scary!!!!

[RichardLinx]

facebook (or anything like it) is sooooo not me to begin with. it's for kids who have nothing better to do. kids who also like to spend endless hours texting absolute meaningless junk.

You said It. I already spend enough time reading slashdot articles and posting on forums. If I was to add facebook to the mix...

[handy]

Oh my goodness the world is out to spy on us and get our personal information. Yes, paranoid conspiracy theorists, it's true, and there's nothing you can do about it. There's no point having a crap life and missing out because just because you don't want X knowing Y about you.

If you don't want people knowing stuff about you then you might as well just unplug your computer from the internet, quit using loyalty cards to save money in stores, quit your job, stop using a credit card and/or bank account, stop traveling, get rid of your car, get rid of your phone, stay away from hospitals, doctors or pharmacies... The list is endless, it's just how our world works.

It's too late, these people already have a truckload of info on you, so it wont make much difference even if you do those things.

Moving to the country and living secretly in a forest might be the only solution for you.

Otherwise terrible things might happen... like you might see a banner on a web page that is actually relevant to you!!! Scary!!!!

:lolflag:

All things in their time eh!? :-)

[Johnsie]

Don't forget to install as many CCTV cameras as you can outside your house and in every room in your house so you can watch them all on a big screen, just in case anyone sneaks in to find out what brand of tea you drink!!! They are out to get you! Trust no-one!

[Dragonbite]

If anything can be taken from the financial crisis, it's the inherant failings of capitalism.

Quite the contrary, it is capitalism "fixing" itself. The only problem is the governments thinking they are above such things and want to return it to the past "glory days".

Let the companies fail. First one goes and the rest get to feed off of the carcass! Eventually one will get enough meat to not fall.

Banks and auto industry having problems with corruption? Then they need to do something about it, that's just "taking care of business." They fail to stick to the principals of good business then this is the case study for kids going through business school to learn why NOT to!

[Thelasko]

You said It. I already spend enough time reading slashdot articles and posting on forums. If I was to add facebook to the mix...

I actually have found that it doesn't take too much time. If I spend more than 5 minutes on Facebook in a day I get bored.

[sydbat]

I actually have found that it doesn't take too much time. If I spend more than 5 minutes on Facebook in a day I get bored.This is actually where I stared from when I signed up a few months ago. I only needed to because I lost contact info with an old friend (they moved and I lost the piece of paper their info was written on). Now I only check facebook once or twice a week. And I ignore the myriad "friend" requests...

And the discussion going on in this thread about the social engineering aspect of facebook has merit. But, as many have pointed out, this social engineering is in more places than just facebook (or Google for those playing along). Limiting your information exposure online is important, and applications/websites like facebook have options to help with this.

However, as Handy pointed out:
The problem is that VERY FEW users of facebook take the time to educate themselves about facebook, or for that matter even have the sense, at their usually young ages to even care or understand what facebook in reality, is being used for. It just goes right over their heads.This is the place where companies begin their social engineering process. It has been going on for decades, in one form or another. Things like facebook are just the next generation.

[Hated On Mostly]

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/02/05/sinister_facebook_extortion_plot/

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090205/ap_on_re_us/facebook_sex;_ylt=Aphl5WbsNbzuWmDYmSKtt2sDW7oF

Teen accused of 'sinister' Facebook sex extortion plot


An 18-year-old male student from Wisconsin has been accused of posing as a female on Facebook in a plot to trick at least 31 male classmates into sending nude pictures of themselves and then using the images to blackmail them into performing sex acts.

Anthony Stancl of New Berlin was charged Wednesday with five counts of child enticement, two counts of second-degree sexual assault of a child, two counts of third-degree sexual assault, possession of child pornography, repeated sexual assault of the same child, and making a bomb threat. He faces a maximum sentence of 293 years in prison if convicted.

"The kind of manipulation that occurred here is really sinister in my estimation," a prosecutor told the Associated Press.

Stancl plans to plead not guilty, his attorney told the news agency.

The allegations are the latest graphic example of the heap of trouble waiting for naive teens who send sexually explicit images of themselves over the email or text messages. Last month, six high school students in Pennsylvania were charged under state child pornography statutes for sending and receiving nude images of each other using cell phones. Last year, a 15-year old girl was arrested on felony child pornography charges for allegedly sending nude pictures of herself to classmates.

According to a criminal complaint filed Wednesday, Stancl used a bogus Facebook profile to contact boys at his high school and trick them into sending nude photos of videos of themselves. Thirty-one victims were identified, and more than half said the female - who called herself Emily or Kayla - tried to get them to meet a male friend of hers and engage in sex with him. The extortion scheme happened from Spring 2007 through November.

The female told them she would send the incriminating images to their friends and post them on the internet if the victims refused. Stancl used the threats to repeatedly force the victims to perform sex acts.

The complaint identified seven boys by their initials as having to engage in sex with Stancl. The student took pictures of the encounters on his cell phone. Some of the victims were as young as 15.

Police learned of the alleged plot while investigating Stancl as a suspect in a bomb threat that was made to his school in November. Police say they found some 300 nude images of juvenile males on his computer.

He is being held on $250,000 bail because police consider him a flight risk. They also consider him dangerous because he allegedly left a note on the car window of one of his victims, threatening him for speaking to the police.

[fatality_uk]

facebook (or anything like it) is sooooo not me to begin with. it's for kids who have nothing better to do. kids who also like to spend endless hours texting absolute meaningless junk.

It's also for people in MY offices who will be getting a ROLLOCKING on Monday after seeing web logs :)

I'll pass. People you don't know want to be your friend and the poke you!!! YIKES

[Naiki Muliaina]

Joined Facebooks ages ago but never got into it. After seeing this thread i had another bash at it. Ive got to say its the most awkwardly kaid out site ive ever seen. Everything so clunky, the site doesnt seem to flow at all.

Well, im on and im in. No personal details in sight (all online game based profiles for me when on the net ^^). Err poke me whatever that means if you see me. Otherwise ill see you all next year when i have another go Facebook ^^

[jenkinbr]

Hello people!
If you want to join a new started Linux facebookgroup, here is your chance ;).

http://www.facebook.com/groups/edit.php?gid=48399450465#/group.php?gid=48399450465&ref=ts (http://www.facebook.com/groups/edit.php?gid=48399450465#/group.php?gid=48399450465&ref=ts)

There is only 36 members now, I KNOW THE UBUNTU COMMUNITY CAN DO BETTER! :D
It can.

http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=2205498133

[joshuakimba]

When I go to any app on facebook and attempt to add friends on the alliance page, my browser locks up and I have to force quit most of the time. Occasionally I can actually add allies. Is there anything that I can do to alleviate some of the issues?

[K.Mandla]

If you would not be forgotten as soon as you are dead, either write something worth reading, or do things worth writing.
Thread closed. Necromancing.